BoxOfBees: Is Bristlecone Pine a tonewood? Make me a ukulele from it!
KawaiiNot: The Fark linked article didn't even state the age of the tree
whatshisname: violentsalvation: The real article is better.Yeah, it even tells you how old the tree was.
Quantum Apostrophe: That tree sure was lucky, picking the best atoms it could find to last that long...
JoeJitsu: I had that happen once with the oldest living human. Boy, was I surprised.
tallen702: The "Radiolab" episode "Oops!" does a fantastic job telling the story: Podcast on NPR It's the best damned show on radio.
Lligeret: I_Hate_Iowa:2) Who cares if it's the oldest living thing? It's a tree. (A) It's not like it's going to tell us secrets. (B) And if scientists can learn things about the distant past from it, can't they learn the same things or more from a dead tree that they can do more tests on in a lab than they can in the field while being ever-so-careful not to harm... a tree?The trolling aspect of your post aside.A. You would be surprised. They have been used in a couple murder cases, to date when bodies have been buried. Best example with trees and murders is Ted Bundy. They have been used to settle boundary disputes between states. They provide a rather accurate assessment of atmospheric phenomena such as the Tunguska Event. They have been used to confirm whether instruments are made by who people claim they are (example the Messiah violin (violin made by Stradivari, worth $20 million). They have been to date and verify structures that we have long since lost track of, like say Lincoln's childhood cabin.More commonly they are used to tell us about the past that we have no record of.-They can be used to track and reconstruct insect outbreaks and invasions of invasive species (Forest managers like these).-They can be used to for drought reconstructions for stream and hydrologic purposes (Water managers like these, best example remains the Colorado River compact, which is based on 16-20 years of stream flow data (all that they had at the time), they set the legal amount each state (and Mexico) would receive, turns out after 80 or so years (now) there have been water issues related to it because the Colorado River water shed has consistently received less water, as it turns out using tree rings you can get an idea of the historical flow record of rivers and streams, and the period they measured was one of the wettest on record.-They can be used again for stream flow but rather than drought, but instead for floods (insurance companies love these). Trees that a ...
snowshovel: The story linked in the original article is even "better".Meth head burns down 5th oldest tree in the world so she could see her drugs.
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: That website is an abortion.Why not just link to the real article?
Lligeret: I_Hate_Iowa: [Lots of words]
A dead tree is nice, you can take a cross section with out harming a tree, however on its own it is worthless because you cannot date it.
I_Hate_Iowa: Lligeret: I_Hate_Iowa: [Lots of words]I'm 100% positive you know way more than me, but I'm still confused, and I might be too simple-minded about trees for you. Seriously.What I meant by (A) was it's not like you're killing an old man before you get his life story on tape if you kill a tree. How much data that you can collect from a live tree is lost by killing it? It seems like a lot of the scenarios you mention would be possible either way.As far as (B) goes, I'm saying that if you were planning on using Tree X for study and you accidentally kill it, it can't be that bad right? You'll still be able to get stuff from it. When you sayA dead tree is nice, you can take a cross section with out harming a tree, however on its own it is worthless because you cannot date it.you make it sound like a dead tree you've found. If you don't know when it died you can't date it. But in the case of the tree from this link, they know when it died, so they can date it exactly, no? Do you lose data by having a dead tree? Do you potentially gain data by being able to do more if you're no longer worried about harming it?Seriously wasn't trying to be trolly, but realize I was being sort of glib. Might have been slightly (read: completely) high last time. Might be slightly more sober but still confused this time.
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