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2012-11-16 01:08:21 AM  

vossiewulf: Easy there Brits. Having lived 40+ years right smack dab in black widow territory, you have to work really hard to get bitten. If you spend lots of time climbing around under houses in crawl spaces you might want to carry some bug spray with you but otherwise don't sweat it.


I've only seen them when walking along railroad tracks--they had nests along the gravel and wooden beams. My uncle's shed supposedly was infested, but I never went close enough to find out. fark spiders.
 
2012-11-16 01:11:02 AM  
files.abovetopsecret.com
 
2012-11-16 01:12:25 AM  
I just wanna say that we are now 50+ posts into a spider thread and no one has posted the usual creepy spider pictures (clock spider, toilet paper spider, etc). Normally I would be disappoint, But in this case, it warms my heart. Thank you for sparing us so far.
 
2012-11-16 01:13:15 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: vossiewulf: Easy there Brits. Having lived 40+ years right smack dab in black widow territory, you have to work really hard to get bitten. If you spend lots of time climbing around under houses in crawl spaces you might want to carry some bug spray with you but otherwise don't sweat it.

Yup. They're really easy to live with. Just don't poke them or their next.

The hobo spider on the other hand will charge 4-6 feet just to bite you because fark you that's why.


And you own my inevitable nightmares tonight. Thanks.
 
2012-11-16 01:13:30 AM  

WeenerGord: [files.abovetopsecret.com image 640x512]


God damn it. I spoke 1 post too soon. Fark you sir. And bravo.
 
2012-11-16 01:15:15 AM  
Where'd they find a deadly one, Mr. Mel O'Drama?
 
2012-11-16 01:16:46 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-16 01:18:11 AM  
Aaaaaaand I'm done with this thread.
 
2012-11-16 01:24:47 AM  

taurusowner: WeenerGord: [files.abovetopsecret.com image 640x512]

God damn it. I spoke 1 post too soon. Fark you sir. And bravo.


I didn't even need to check the time stamps here.
 
2012-11-16 01:25:33 AM  

taurusowner: toilet paper spider,


LOL I never heard of that one! Fortunately Google is my friend

www.majhost.com

annnnd

i.ytimg.com
 
2012-11-16 01:28:31 AM  
Just one more

www.popfi.com
 
2012-11-16 01:32:50 AM  
Charlotte?
 
2012-11-16 01:37:54 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: vossiewulf: Easy there Brits. Having lived 40+ years right smack dab in black widow territory, you have to work really hard to get bitten. If you spend lots of time climbing around under houses in crawl spaces you might want to carry some bug spray with you but otherwise don't sweat it.

Yup. They're really easy to live with. Just don't poke them or their next.

The hobo spider on the other hand will charge 4-6 feet just to bite you because fark you that's why.


Hobo spiders are aggressive, but most of their bites are dry (no venom). They don't like to waste it as they need it for their food. Unless your trapping it in some way and make it feel like it's about to die you'll likely get little to no venom.

I've known a couple people who've been bit and the only one who ended up with what looks like a recluse bite (recluse and hobo spiders have the same type of venom) was my idiot friend who deserves a Darwin award for picking up a hobo spider he found then lays down and starts farking with it while it's on his bare chest. He ended up getting bit near his diaphragm and within an hour or 2 had a massive baseball size lump in the bite location. He ended up spending a few days in the hospital and had a huge hole in his abdomen that gushed with disgusting green and pink puss he had to drain every couple hours and stuff with tons of gauze.
 
2012-11-16 01:39:46 AM  
img.photobucket.com 

I remember seeing one of these giant mats of daddy long legs (harvestman) spiders as a kid, on the porch at my grandma's house. Fascinating AND scary.
They'd start moving and then the whole mass "danced" together.
 
2012-11-16 01:46:24 AM  

dopeydwarf: Vicious spider? They're scared to death of coming in contact with you, they run away from a gentle breeze. And deadly? Maybe to a baby or a very old person. What happened to the stiff upper lip, Britain?

Oh and all spiders are venomous, you Daily Fail knobs. You mean poisonous to humans. 

/Loves spiders.


Not quite all.
 
2012-11-16 01:49:33 AM  

WeenerGord: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]


Did you ... did you just tip that spider a dollar?
 
2012-11-16 01:56:38 AM  

Blue_Blazer: farkin hell, I am not moving to where you live. My skin is crawling just reading that.


Everyone is all worked up about the spiders, but the scorpions are the critters you have to worry about. They can crawl up walls and I assume they can crawl on ceilings. Which means that they could drop onto your bed. Not that they'd need to since they can crawl up the legs (there are special scorpion blocks you can buy for the legs of your bed or baby's crib).

I also heard a rumor (probably false) that mama scorpions carry their brood on their backs. So if you squish a mama scorpion in your house, the babies will run off in every direction. Dozens of them. In your house. It is why I use the dyson to suck up the little bastards whenever I see them in the house so I can dump the canister outside.

The worst part is that standard insecticides do not kill scorpions. The chemicals it takes to kill them are lethal to us. So except to spray them with this toxic stuff or to physically destroy them, the only way to deal with scorpions is to kill off their food supply (other bugs) so they'll move on.

But hey, it is mid November and it is going to be 78F/25C and sunny tomorrow, so this place isn't all bad. 


/sleep well
 
2012-11-16 01:58:30 AM  

Oznog: [img.photobucket.com image 500x625] 

I remember seeing one of these giant mats of daddy long legs (harvestman) spiders as a kid, on the porch at my grandma's house. Fascinating AND scary.
They'd start moving and then the whole mass "danced" together.


Well, off to bed now -- I'm sure this will in no way haunt my dreams, tonight and every night thereafter.

Cheers.
 
2012-11-16 01:59:08 AM  

WeenerGord: Leaving lepidoptera - please, don't touch the display,
little boy, aha cute! Moving to the next aisle we have
arachnida, the spiders, our.. finest collection.
This friendly little devil is the heptothilidi,
unfortunately harmless. Next to him, the nasty licosa
raptoria. His tiny fangs cause creeping ulcerations of
the skin. And here, my prize, the Black Widow.
Isn't she lovely?.. and so deadly. Her kiss is
fifteen times as poisonous as that of the rattlesnake.
You see her venom is highly neurotoxic, which is to say
that it attacks the central nervous system, causing
intense pain, profuse sweating, difficulty in
breathing, loss of consciousness, violent convulsions
and, finally.. death. You know what I think I love the
most about her is her inborn need to dominate,
possess. In fact, immediately after the consummation
of her marriage to the smaller and weaker male of the
species she kills and eats him - oh, she is
delicious!... and I hope he was. Such power and dignity
- unhampered by sentiment. If I may put forward a
slice of personal philosophy, I feel that man has ruled
this world as a stumbling demented child-king, long
enough! And as his empire crumbles, my precious Black
Widow, shall rise, as his most fitting successor!


Came for the Alice Cooper ref, left satisfied. (As to "heptothilidi", that's apparently an odd rendering of Hypochilidae or the lampshade spider genus (all of which are harmless, beneficial, and quite primitive true spiders); Lycosa raptoria is the Brazilian wolf spider (which has been accused of causing symptoms with envenomation similar to brown recluse bites and even systemic effects, but the "tarantellism" blamed on L. tarantula (no close relation to the big hairy South American spiders) turned out to be from the Mediterranean black widow or thirteen-spotted widow and the parts of Brazil where Lycosa raptoria lives are in the northern range of the Chilean recluse which does cause systemic effects and has necrotic venom--so it could be mistaken identity). Yes, not only do black widows themselves show up, but at least one cousin to a spider whose supposedly dangerous bite turned out to be actually from a cousin of the black widow.)

And as others have noted, out of the two Spiders Of Medical Concern in the US, the black widow is actually the easier of the two to get along with--very distinctive (unlike brown recluses which can be confused for "little brown job" house spiders), actually not all that aggressive (you pretty much have to accidentally squish them or handle them roughly and piss them off...rather like gila monsters) and (again, unlike brown recluse spiders) there has been an effective antivenom for black widow bites for decades for those few populations for which a black widow bite is actually a medical emergency (rather than "you'll feel shiatty for a few days").

Americans are pretty much patting Brits on the head and reminding them that Europe has a number of native widow spider species (in fact, most of the documented widow species are European), at least one of which is considered to be more medically significant than our mere little black widows. We also gently remind them to be thankful that they weren't infested with brown recluses.

Australians pretty much laugh, remind Brits that their least medically significant spider is essentially an Oz black widow (the (in)famous redback spider) whilst pointing out the funnelbacks in the backyard that can kill a man in thirty minutes without medical treatment (oh, and the government is now encouraging people to catch and milk these "make a black widow seem tame" critters because they're running out of antivenom and need funnelback venom to produce more antivenom...oh, and did I mention funnelbacks were quite aggressive spiders that will actively chase humans?). They will then tell you to man up after playing a happy traditional Australian country song about redbacks on the toilet seat and the hilarity that ensues.
 
2012-11-16 02:00:48 AM  

ciberido: WeenerGord: [upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]

Did you ... did you just tip that spider a dollar?



He gets a dollar bounty for every stray dog or Jehovah's Witness he catches
 
2012-11-16 02:05:34 AM  

Dinjiin: (there are special scorpion blocks you can buy for the legs of your bed or baby's crib).

You can use mayonaise jars as well. What's really fun, is that one of the only species in the world that can actually climb is the one that can put a good hurt on you. Not only are they able to climb, they prefer being inverted (look up negative geotaxis).


I also heard a rumor (probably false) that mama scorpions carry their brood on their backs.
Nope, it's true. I've seen it. Though. if you come down straight on top, you probably will end up squishing the babies too. Wolf spiders do the same thing (enjoy!). Spray and/or glue traps will take care of that though.


The worst part is that standard insecticides do not kill scorpions. The chemicals it takes to kill them are lethal to us. So except to spray them with this toxic stuff or to physically destroy them, the only way to deal with scorpions is to kill off their food supply (other bugs) so they'll move on.

I'm not sure about that. I've heard different things from different bug guys and it's hard to say if it really kills them or just their food source.

Luckily, the scorps have an achilles heel; their wicked cool black-light glow.vvLast summer, I went out 3 times a week and killed 5-6 every time. They love cinder block walls.

I think due to diligence last year of just killing the bastards, caulking the block walls, and heavy spraying this year, the number was down to a mere fraction of that.

 
2012-11-16 02:06:02 AM  

Bumblefark: Well, off to bed now -- I'm sure this will in no way haunt my dreams, tonight and every night thereafter.


Bed?
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You're right. It's getting late.
 
2012-11-16 02:07:10 AM  

Oznog: [img.photobucket.com image 500x625] 

I remember seeing one of these giant mats of daddy long legs (harvestman) spiders as a kid, on the porch at my grandma's house. Fascinating AND scary.
They'd start moving and then the whole mass "danced" together.


www.bugemporium.com
I'm sorry, did you say "dancing spider"?
 
2012-11-16 02:10:06 AM  

Dinjiin: Blue_Blazer: farkin hell, I am not moving to where you live. My skin is crawling just reading that.

Everyone is all worked up about the spiders, but the scorpions are the critters you have to worry about. They can crawl up walls and I assume they can crawl on ceilings. Which means that they could drop onto your bed. Not that they'd need to since they can crawl up the legs (there are special scorpion blocks you can buy for the legs of your bed or baby's crib).

I also heard a rumor (probably false) that mama scorpions carry their brood on their backs. So if you squish a mama scorpion in your house, the babies will run off in every direction. Dozens of them. In your house. It is why I use the dyson to suck up the little bastards whenever I see them in the house so I can dump the canister outside.

The worst part is that standard insecticides do not kill scorpions. The chemicals it takes to kill them are lethal to us. So except to spray them with this toxic stuff or to physically destroy them, the only way to deal with scorpions is to kill off their food supply (other bugs) so they'll move on.

But hey, it is mid November and it is going to be 78F/25C and sunny tomorrow, so this place isn't all bad. 

/sleep well


Ah, scorpions...the one arachnid I am thankful does NOT commonly get into people's houses here in KY (yes, we do have scorpions in the state, but usually they're polite enough to stay in rocky areas and woods and NOT in people's homes or especially their shoes).

Pretty much in our neck of the woods that role seems to be replaced by centipedes, and whilst I don't mind the little ones, once they get about 4-5 inches including leg tips (and where you can see their little centipede eyes and banding very well) they go a bit to the "creepy" side of things. Again, though, they do keep other bugs out, and as long as there's not food for them around we don't usually see them.

/and as for jumping spiders--these are overtly encouraged, and wish we had more occasionally making their way inside. Nature's teeny tiny Tachikomas are always welcome ;3
 
2012-11-16 02:12:41 AM  

vossiewulf: Easy there Brits. Having lived 40+ years right smack dab in black widow territory, you have to work really hard to get bitten. If you spend lots of time climbing around under houses in crawl spaces you might want to carry some bug spray with you but otherwise don't sweat it.


lived here 20 years. never seen one even.
 
2012-11-16 02:13:56 AM  

taurusowner: I'm guessing somewhere in the southwest US?


Yup.

But honestly, the Black Windows are more a nuisance than anything. Never seen one in the house and rarely see them in the garage. The tarantula probably came into the house when I had the door to the garage open to bring in groceries. Boy, was it pissed when I came near it with the extension wand to the dyson. Got up on its hind legs and started striking its forearms at me. In hindsight, I kinda wish I had just put some gloves and a long-sleeved sweatshirt on and tried to capture it. But the wife discovered it and was freaking out. Never been bit by a spider living down here, BTW.

My spider bite scar comes from what I assume was a wolf spider. Got it when I lived way up north. Bastard got me while I was sleeping. It didn't hurt, but it was really tender for a few days. Looked like a giant zit with inflamed skin around it. Took about 3 weeks to heal.
 
2012-11-16 02:16:32 AM  

ciberido: Bumblefark: Well, off to bed now -- I'm sure this will in no way haunt my dreams, tonight and every night thereafter.

Bed?
[img236.imageshack.us image 480x424]
You're right. It's getting late.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-16 02:21:49 AM  

Dinjiin: taurusowner: I'm guessing somewhere in the southwest US?

Yup.

But honestly, the Black Windows are more a nuisance than anything. Never seen one in the house and rarely see them in the garage. The tarantula probably came into the house when I had the door to the garage open to bring in groceries. Boy, was it pissed when I came near it with the extension wand to the dyson. Got up on its hind legs and started striking its forearms at me. In hindsight, I kinda wish I had just put some gloves and a long-sleeved sweatshirt on and tried to capture it. But the wife discovered it and was freaking out. Never been bit by a spider living down here, BTW.

My spider bite scar comes from what I assume was a wolf spider. Got it when I lived way up north. Bastard got me while I was sleeping. It didn't hurt, but it was really tender for a few days. Looked like a giant zit with inflamed skin around it. Took about 3 weeks to heal.


Well, if I do move a Taurus Judge and some .410 shotshells will probably be handy whenever I'm doing outdoorsy stuff. No capturing for me.
 
2012-11-16 02:23:46 AM  

kidgenius: Luckily, the scorps have an achilles heel; their wicked cool black-light glow. Last summer, I went out 3 times a week and killed 5-6 every time. They love cinder block walls.


Our local Home Depot has a display cage over by the pest control section with scorpions in it. Push a button and a blacklight comes on so you can see them crawling around inside.

I probably should invest in a blacklight wand at some point so I can add them to my outdoor hunt. Besides the concrete blocks, they also like to hide under the crushed landscaping rock in the yard, especially if they're larger sized stones that create lots of pockets for them to hide in.
 
2012-11-16 02:24:16 AM  
I say, I appear to have been bitten by a deadly black widow. That's damned inconvenient.
 
OKO
2012-11-16 02:26:57 AM  
A third rate spider makes it to the Country where the locals are pathologically afraid of spiders, insects, and good teeth. No wonder they lost the war. Wait, what ...?
 
2012-11-16 02:27:09 AM  
Black Widow's bite reported to be 15 times stronger than a rattlesnake's

Who decides this, really? Do we have test groups, one which receives a black widow's bite, the other gets 5, 10, 15, or 20 rattlesnake bites, and a placebo which just gets pinched?
 
2012-11-16 02:29:15 AM  

Dinjiin: Blue_Blazer: farkin hell, I am not moving to where you live. My skin is crawling just reading that.

Everyone is all worked up about the spiders, but the scorpions are the critters you have to worry about. They can crawl up walls and I assume they can crawl on ceilings. Which means that they could drop onto your bed. Not that they'd need to since they can crawl up the legs (there are special scorpion blocks you can buy for the legs of your bed or baby's crib).

I also heard a rumor (probably false) that mama scorpions carry their brood on their backs. So if you squish a mama scorpion in your house, the babies will run off in every direction. Dozens of them. In your house. It is why I use the dyson to suck up the little bastards whenever I see them in the house so I can dump the canister outside.

The worst part is that standard insecticides do not kill scorpions. The chemicals it takes to kill them are lethal to us. So except to spray them with this toxic stuff or to physically destroy them, the only way to deal with scorpions is to kill off their food supply (other bugs) so they'll move on.


Why not get a Honey Badger? They're badass!
 
2012-11-16 02:29:19 AM  

Bumblefark: ciberido: Bumblefark: Well, off to bed now -- I'm sure this will in no way haunt my dreams, tonight and every night thereafter.

Bed?
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You're right. It's getting late.

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Oh, sorry.
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Good night.
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Sleep tight. 
www.stikiart.co.uk
Don't let the ... bedbugs bite.
 
2012-11-16 02:29:33 AM  

vossiewulf: Easy there Brits. Having lived 40+ years right smack dab in black widow territory, you have to work really hard to get bitten. If you spend lots of time climbing around under houses in crawl spaces you might want to carry some bug spray with you but otherwise don't sweat it.


What the fark kind of 'bug spray' are YOU using. The vicious (and viscous) farks shrug off bug spray like I would a squirt gun blast. Even the shiat that's supposedly made to kill spiders just pisses 'em off.
 
2012-11-16 02:31:31 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: and NOT in people's homes or especially their shoes


Oh yeah, you're not supposed to leave your shoes outside around here for that reason. Same with gloves. You have to check for scorpions before you put them on if you do leave them out.

Again, did I mention that it is supposed to be sunny with high temps in the mid 70s F / mid 20s C for the next two weeks and it is almost winter? Just in case anyone was wondering why I'd move to (and remain at) a place like this.
 
2012-11-16 02:37:18 AM  

ciberido: Oznog: [img.photobucket.com image 500x625] 

I remember seeing one of these giant mats of daddy long legs (harvestman) spiders as a kid, on the porch at my grandma's house. Fascinating AND scary.
They'd start moving and then the whole mass "danced" together.

[www.bugemporium.com image 143x143]
I'm sorry, did you say "dancing spider"?


i50.tinypic.com

Stile4aly: I say, I appear to have been bitten by a deadly black widow. That's damned inconvenient.


Bob's your uncle, that is a spot of bother.
 
2012-11-16 02:46:17 AM  
FTFA: Black Widow's bite reported to be 15 times stronger than a rattlesnake's

Yeah, it's reported to be so, but the ones reporting it are the Daily Fail.

/The Australian redback, though...
 
2012-11-16 02:49:54 AM  
zombierobots.net
 
2012-11-16 02:55:31 AM  

Dinjiin: Great Porn Dragon: and NOT in people's homes or especially their shoes

Oh yeah, you're not supposed to leave your shoes outside around here for that reason. Same with gloves. You have to check for scorpions before you put them on if you do leave them out.

Again, did I mention that it is supposed to be sunny with high temps in the mid 70s F / mid 20s C for the next two weeks and it is almost winter? Just in case anyone was wondering why I'd move to (and remain at) a place like this.


Have had friends who lived out West who've told me about the ritual of shaking out shoes when going camping, hence that mention. Apparently scorpions like being stepped on even less so than spiders do...

(And yes, I'm certain the weather is lovely, but I'll take 32 degrees/0C over having cantankerous and stingy land-shrimp making their way into my shoes. :D Areas that have scorpions are probably lovely to visit, as long as you avoid the derpy parts...on the other hand, I've not yet had to worry about shoe invasions by centipedes or any other arachnids. Advantages and disadvantages to everything, I suppose...)

Oh, and yes, babby scorpions do hang out on mom's back--even the teensy ones in Kentucky that mostly hang out around creeks (well, if two inches including the tail is "teeny"--I've not ever personally seen the things; we have POLITE scorpions here, apparently) hang out on their mom's back, if the ag extension's website is anything to go by.

/got enough stingy stuff around here--really really really hope Japanese hornets never make it here to this part of the world...three or four inches of giant perpetually-cranky yellow jacket from hell
//and those are prolly the one actual venomous arthropod aside from brown recluses and siafu that give me the hooboojeebies and NOT in a good way
 
2012-11-16 03:05:43 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: FTFA: Black Widow's bite reported to be 15 times stronger than a rattlesnake's

Yeah, it's reported to be so, but the ones reporting it are the Daily Fail.

/The Australian redback, though...


...is actually only about as venomous as the black widow, it's just that typical spider bite treatment in Oz involves antivenom as a rule and redbacks have a habit of accidentally getting into places people live...with toilet seats being particularly infamous (as noted in a certain Australian country song). Most redback bites occur (again, much as was noted in a certain Australian country song) when people accidentally sit on them or smush them.

(And compared with the other venomous spiders in Australia, redbacks are mild in comparison. One word: Funnelwebs.)

Of course, there IS a pretty good way to keep redbacks out of the home...unfortunately for most Farkers, that way involves the explicit invitation of Clocky the Spider and his friend Toilet-Roll Spider into the home. (Clocky and friends are huge, but actually mostly harmless to humans...other than the occasional heart attack induced, I'm sure.)

/then again, were Australia its own planet it would be classified as a death world...
//and New Zealand is a veritable Hobbiton to the Mordor that is Australia ...seriously, only one creature exists that is potentially dangerous to humans...that being the katipo or New Zealand widow, which is actually an endangered species due to habitat loss.
///The Maori pretty much ate one of the other potentially dangerous-to-humans critters into extinction (the moa, which probably could have kicked humans into submission) which starved to extinction the one predator on the island that could have really preyed on young humans (a giant eagle...that fed on young moa).
 
2012-11-16 03:07:22 AM  

Great Porn Dragon: but I'll take 32 degrees/0C over having cantankerous and stingy land-shrimp making their way into my shoes


Fair enough. But at least we don't have ticks out here. Scorpion stings may hurt like the bejeusus, but at least they don't transmit Lyme disease and there is zero chance their head will be left embedded in your skin.
 
2012-11-16 03:09:16 AM  

HotWingAgenda: When I was an infant, my parents kept my crib in a corner directly under a black widow's nest.

And I do mean kept, because mommy dearest has verified several times that she intentionally left it there after the nest appeared.


the fark?
 
2012-11-16 03:12:18 AM  
ftfa: Engineers at the plant discovered the notoriously viscous spider

I bet the ooze did this!
 
2012-11-16 03:13:58 AM  

Dinjiin: Great Porn Dragon: but I'll take 32 degrees/0C over having cantankerous and stingy land-shrimp making their way into my shoes

Fair enough. But at least we don't have ticks out here. Scorpion stings may hurt like the bejeusus, but at least they don't transmit Lyme disease and there is zero chance their head will be left embedded in your skin.


...ok, fair enough. :D (Even worse with Lyme is that the deer ticks that cause it are teensy, hard to see--a trick I've used in past is to tape the tops of boots to pants with double-sided tape (taping the tops of pants to socks works too, and both can work if you're extra paranoid...I've also heard of folks making deer tick traps using the same principle of double-sided tape and dry ice but I don't know how well that'd work).

And yeah, Lyme sucks--do know someone who had chronic (undiagnosed) Lyme, now they have Lyme arthritis from it :P
 
2012-11-16 03:30:23 AM  

Isildur: HotWingAgenda: When I was an infant, my parents kept my crib in a corner directly under a black widow's nest.

And I do mean kept, because mommy dearest has verified several times that she intentionally left it there after the nest appeared.

the fark?


gerber life insurance policy
 
2012-11-16 03:36:42 AM  

Oznog: Black Widow's bite reported to be 15 times stronger than a rattlesnake's

Who decides this, really? Do we have test groups, one which receives a black widow's bite, the other gets 5, 10, 15, or 20 rattlesnake bites, and a placebo which just gets pinched?


The historical way people have compared venom toxicity is a median lethal dose test (LD50). So what they are comparing is the amount of venom it takes to kill 50% of mice when injected. While a black widow may not be more dangerous than a rattlesnake, the toxicity drop for drop is far greater...which shouldn't surprise anyone since the amount of venom injected from a spider bite is going to be absolutely miniscule.
 
2012-11-16 03:45:40 AM  

Oznog: Black Widow's bite reported to be 15 times stronger than a rattlesnake's

Who decides this, really? Do we have test groups, one which receives a black widow's bite, the other gets 5, 10, 15, or 20 rattlesnake bites, and a placebo which just gets pinched?


They get a rattlesnake and let it kill a mouse. Then they see how many mice of equal size one black widow can kill. In this case, it was 15, ergo, a black widow is 15 times deadlier than a rattlesnake. In the case of a cobra, from what I hear, a widow is only about 2x deadlier, i.e. a widow can only kill two mice for every mouse a cobra can kill; whereas the funnel-web spider is 193 times deadlier than a black widow (for every mouse a widow can kill, that Australian monster can kill 193 mice), and so forth.

Now, I realize that would mean a funnel-web spider is 2895 times deadlier than a rattlesnake, which should be impossible, but remember it does come from Australia, so you're justified in killing them as often as possible and never going near Australia as much as you can.
 
2012-11-16 03:55:03 AM  
This thread is the closest I come to immersion therapy in dealing with my arachnophobia. I won't even take the garbage out in the dark after I found a black widow living in the lid.
 
2012-11-16 04:14:59 AM  
This is my fav spider picture.


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It is something a doctor found while looking in a woman's ear canal.

Apparently this is a problem that is becoming quite common.
 
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