Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

This. I don't understand why employees shouldn't just be forced to live and work at the job. A little room with a hotplate, if you will. Share a shiater down the hall. I believe the president who should have been explored such policies in China.

Employees should have absolutely no voice. In return, said employees get no pay.

I will gladly boycott Wal-Mart on Black Friday.

/just as I do on the other 364 days of the year

HotIgneous Intruder: In 2010, the Waltons' share [of wealth] equaled the entire bottom 41.5 percent of U.S. families.
Six people hold nearly 42 percent of the national wealth.
They are the Walton family.



Assholes.

Walmart isn't a store; it's an alternate dimension.

Think about it. Every Walmart you've ever been in, from Lickcock Idaho to Bahrain, has the same people. I don't mean they look the same, I mean they *are* the same.
The doors you pass through are a gateway to this dimension.

Think about it. You know I'm right.

$5.00 says the party of small government, individual freedom, and free market will find a way to claim the government should force them back to work.

What's cool about having someone on your ignore list is that you can put a note in there that will be displayed each time the ignored person posts something.

And it is filter-free.

LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

ciberido: Mine goes to -11/10.

And your math still makes more sense than his post.

Great Janitor: If the workers start to organize, I can exercise my right to fire the organizers.

No. No, you cannot.

You have proudly displayed your ignorance for all to witness. Go forth and educate thyself before spouting such nonsense in this forum.

hubiestubert: It is sort of sad, that folks don't understand what sacrifices were made, so that they could have the protections that they enjoy today. How many Wobblies got their heads stove in, exactly what price Joe Hill paid, what was endured to create the very conditions that they enjoy today.

In the words of Joe Hill: "Don't mourn, organize."

This fight has been going for over a hundred years, and fear of organized labor has fueled efforts to limit and crush our right to free speech, freedom of association, and freedom to assemble. It strikes against the very fabric of the concept of this nation, and has been a tool of those who fear their workers' freedom, and their power.

You know, I'd love to ask Jimmie Hoffa about that. Have you seen him around anywhere?

I don't think it will ever come to making Union organizers disappear again, like what used to happen. Nowadays they just use lawyers. And Wal-Mart does NOT lose in Court.

I think much popcorn would be enjoyed by all if Wal-Mart were sued by the Church of Scientology.

AdolfOliverPanties: Shadow Blasko: [Although apparently you can have until 8 if you blow your department manager... at least at one store]

Nice friends you have there.

What makes you think the friend is the department manager?

The hell is wrong with you.

Silly Jesus: djkutch: Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

This. I don't understand why employees shouldn't just be forced to live and work at the job. A little room with a hotplate, if you will. Share a shiater down the hall. I believe the president who should have been explored such policies in China.

Employees should have absolutely no voice. In return, said employees get no pay.

It's a voluntary exchange. They went to Wal-mart and asked for the ability to exchange their labor for the amount of money that Wal-mart was offering. They weren't recruited or forced to work there. If they don't like the terms of their voluntary contract, they are free to leave and Wal-mart should be free to replace them with someone else.

Exactly! Thanks for articulating much better than I attempted. They accepted the job and should have no opinion whatsoever after.

If they want it different, they can quit and can start their own corporation selling products made in China.

I have a few friends who work for Wally World, and they were all notified on Monday that they have to be in Next Thursday no later than 5PM.

[Although apparently you can have until 8 if you blow your department manager... at least at one store]

Done in two - both the humane and the asshole views have been spoken.

Hmmm... I wonder if I should apply for a job at Wal Mart.

FuryOfFirestorm: Silly Jesus: FuryOfFirestorm: leadmetal: Now as to the walmart employment horror stories, why not leave? Are there no Targets? No Safeways? No Kmarts? No Menards? No Home Depots? If these other places pay more and treat people better, just start applying at them. I am sure they would prefer someone with applicable experience than someone right off the street.

If you're a minority/woman/senior citizen with no college education, your job options are limited.

"But why not get a degree?" With what money? All of their income goes to rent, food, and utilities.

"But why not get a loan?". Yes, banks are tripping over themselves to give loans to people who can barely afford to pay rent.

"Why not get a new job?" When you're working two waitressing jobs just feed your kids, you're not going to quit your job in an unstable job market, are you? Don't you think that if there were better paying jobs available out there, that working mother of 2 wouldn't already be applying for it?

Not irresponsibly having the two kids would be a good start.

Wow. You are such a colossal asshole, you make Donald Trump look like Mr. Rogers.

Even Satan would reject your soul.

Yeah, that's usually how liberals react to the concept of personal responsibility.

EVERYBODY PANIC: Anybody got any ideas on steps which can be taken to allow his cousin to have a happier and more meaningful life? Anyone?

Change herself? I'm just basing that opinion on this:

CujoQuarrel: I have a cousin that does the same thing. Hates the job. Hates the management. Hates her co-workers. But she won't find something else and just quit.

On the other hand that's the way she's been with every job she's ever had ...

There seems to be a common factor.

ciberido: Silly Jesus: It comes down to life choices. She has three kids, one car, and works at Wal-Mart. Somewhere along the line some very bad decisions were made. These are the consequences. The Walton's didn't force her to make those decisions.

ox45tallboy: Yes, indeed. She chose to marry her first husband who put her in a bad situation. She chose to marry a second husband who got shot up in Iraq, and has had a hell of a time getting on disability. She chose to have a special needs child.

Fark you for blaming the victim.

Seriously, f*ck you.

I don't have anything else to say to you.

You needn't bother. Silly Jesus has passed beyond what I call the Derpchild radius, the point at which Poe's Law collapses under the burden of its own derp. It's no longer possible to determine whether the farker is sincere, trolling, or sarcastic. Nor, ultimately does it matter. No rational argument will ever be able to escape that singularity. It's just mathematically impossible.

Aww, how precious. You've created an alternate reality to avoid the real world.

People_are_Idiots: The first thing you quoted was the Constitution

No, it wasn't. The first thing I quoted was an article discussing Constitutional rights and guarantees, and how those applied to the labor issues. The article then went on to discuss such things as the Wagner Act.

You don't even know why you're arguing with me. You're silly.

Sergeant Grumbles: Fade2black: Is there a reason why Wal-Mart should pay a wage to employees that would count as gainfully employed? You haven't explained the repercussions when wages go up dollars an hour, to the product they sell or the services they give. Wages go up, cost goes up. Nothing of value was gained except you might feel better about yourself when you go home after your shift.

Raising the pay of Wal-Mart's U.S. workers to a minimum of $12 an hour would lift many out of poverty, reduce their reliance on public assistance, and cost the average consumer, at most, $12.49 a year.

Is there some reason working for Wal-Mart need not be gainful employment besides your opinion of what counts as work?

Why not pay them all $50,000 a year. That would only cost everyone $20 a year. Why not pay them all $100,000 a year? That would cost everyone less than $100 a year. How do you choose the appropriate pay?

divx88: Loyalty is worth it's own weight in gold.

You're adorable.

I sound fat: If wal mart goes union, pays high wages, and raises prices, the financial markets will fund a brand new wal mart clone and have it up and running in months. Interestingly, these same people will be working there, because even if they win, they will be fired.

While that post is definitely dumb, and would be at the top of many other threads' lists of dumb posts, that won't cut it here. You have to do better than that if you want to win dumbest post of THIS thread. Because between Great Janitor and Silly Jesus, there have been some major turds dropped up in here.

People_are_Idiots: Whoa, a bigger idiot! Did I say FEDERAL law? I said CONSTITUTION. Constitution does not necessarily mean Federal. This is like saying Texas Law is valid in Arizona... next time, READ!

-10/10

Next time, figure out what the hell you are talking about. I called Great Janitor out for claiming that he had the right to fire anyone attempting to organize a Union. I pointed out an article discussing Constitutional Theory, as well as the Wagner Act. You butted in and called me "ignorant" and said I had no idea what I was talking about, and demanded a better reference. I linked straight to the Wagner Act, and now you're spouting off some nonsense about the Constitution and how Federal law Texas valid in Arizona... I have no idea what you think you are talking about, but I gave you the FEDERAL law which trumps any and all State laws. If that's not good enough for you, then fark off.

I rate you negative infinity/10. So there.

phunkey_monkey: I hope they do unionize. After a year or so of paying extortionate union dues for nothing will teach them that unionizing is a bad idea.

You sound like the anti-union video Walmart made me watch when I was hired. "YOU"D JUST BE PAYING PEOPLE TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR YOU"

Damn unions. Always standing up for the takers not the makers.

Great Janitor: Oh, we're going to try the excuse of "There are no other jobs out there?" Bullshait. If that were true then websites like Monster would be completely void of jobs. There would be no jobs posted on craigslist. There are jobs out there, you just have to look for them. And if you live in some strange place where there are no jobs, work for yourself. Find something that people aren't willing to and charge them for it. Hell, you can probably become self employed charging lazy ass people money to pick up their dog's shiat and make more money than Walmart pays their own people.

So you're saying:


"If she doesn't like it, she should find a better job!"

Because that's what you sound like. And remember what Steve Buscemi was doing in Tarantino's next movie.

rtaylor92: Are you sitting down for this because I don't want you to hurt yourself....German and Japanese autoworkers are both unionized. U.S. Auto struggling the last few decades was simply because they designed and tried to sell awful awful cars.

Germany and Japan also have socialized medicine, so the cost of employee health care (current and future) is not included in the price of their cars.

Gawdzila: Or maybe they know it won't work and just want to punch WalMart in the wallet.
I think it might work better than you think. The sort of mouth-breathers that apply to WalMart will probably take longer than 2 weeks to figure out how to work a cash register. Even if they got a bunch of job applicants, considering the relatively short time frame the stores would not be running smoothly (even compared to normal) and would cost the store quite a bit of revenue.

Ship them in from other states. It might cost a bit but the sales will go on. No training required.

All I can say about Wal-Mart employees is this, growing up my home number was 425-8864, the local Walmart was 425-8864. We had Walmart employees call in sick to our answering machine.

That being said, good luck to them.

Great Janitor: Sliding Carp: $5.00 says the party of small government, individual freedom, and free market will find a way to claim the government should force them back to work.

Why should they? Just fire the ones who walk out and replace them. Odds are they won't be missed.

Or, here's how I look at it, if I were working at Walmart, I would, first of all, know that like it or not, working Black Friday was going to happen. All things considered, I'd rather work at the start of the sale on Thanksgiving than on Friday because at least on Thursday I'd get holiday pay. Secondly, knowing the kind of customers and the numbers of customers that show on Black Friday, I'd be a bit pissed that my coworkers decided to skip out on a major day at work instead of doing the job that they were hired to do.

In short, Walmart workers, you knew what you were getting into when you filled out the job application. If you don't like the situation of having to work Black Friday, quit your job and find a different one.

It's a toss-up. It's hard for me to say, because I don't know exactly the pitch Walmart gives the poor & desperate who fill out applications for their crappy jobs; otoh, I've been in a position where I would have taken ANYTHING just to have an income (almost--never big-box retail). So on the one hand, you can say yes, they knew what they were getting into: A crappy job with crappy pay and almost zero benefits where they could fire you for no reason and unionizing was tantamount to murder or worse.

However, in today's economy, you can't just "quit and find a different job" because there aren't really any other jobs out there, and employers know it. They can screw employees with impunity, knowing their workers have zero recourse and zero options. Low pay? No benefits? Bad hours? "Go find another job--Oh, wait, YOU CAN'T! HAHAHAHAHA!" The employer goes off to twirl his mustache and tie another blonde to the train tracks, and the employee can only seethe in fury and hope he still has 38 hours a week next week.

So I do understand the employees' frustration here, and their only hope of getting any attention is to try to strike on the busiest day of the year and hope somebody--anybody--notices. It probably won't help. There are plenty of other desperate people who need crappy jobs at low pay and no benefits who will fill the empty spaces. But what other options do they have?

Don't feed the troll.

Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

0/10

Just donated $200. Let's do this!

Maybe it will shape up like the Hostess strike. Hostess told the workers that if they went on strike they would shutter the factories and fire them all. They went on strike...Hostess closed the factories...the workers went all WHARGARBLLL "yall took are jerbs!" It was beeeautiful.

F*ck Wally World.

As a Wal-Mart employee through my college years, I say, PLEASE DO IT. The hilarity would be epic, and it would be nice to see these workers grow a spine. Many of the ones in the store I worked at literally feared their managers, who were complete idiots blessed only with an ability to fly into a rage over no reason.

Errbody knows this is just a few Wal-Marts in California, right? The rest of the country's obese dunderheads can riot over discounted Christmas toys to their heart's content.

djkutch: Silly Jesus: djkutch: Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

This. I don't understand why employees shouldn't just be forced to live and work at the job. A little room with a hotplate, if you will. Share a shiater down the hall. I believe the president who should have been explored such policies in China.

Employees should have absolutely no voice. In return, said employees get no pay.

It's a voluntary exchange. They went to Wal-mart and asked for the ability to exchange their labor for the amount of money that Wal-mart was offering. They weren't recruited or forced to work there. If they don't like the terms of their voluntary contract, they are free to leave and Wal-mart should be free to replace them with someone else.

Exactly! Thanks for articulating much better than I attempted. They accepted the job and should have no opinion whatsoever after.

If they want it different, they can quit and can start their own corporation selling products made in China.

They can ask for a raise, and the company can say no. They can ask for a unicorn and the company can say no. Not sure what you're missing here.