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(Crooks & Liars)   Wal-mart workers are planning the company's first ever walk-out. On Black Friday   ( occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com) divider line
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2012-11-16 11:29:10 PM  
Silly Jesus: It comes down to life choices. She has three kids, one car, and works at Wal-Mart. Somewhere along the line some very bad decisions were made. These are the consequences. The Walton's didn't force her to make those decisions.

ox45tallboy: Yes, indeed. She chose to marry her first husband who put her in a bad situation. She chose to marry a second husband who got shot up in Iraq, and has had a hell of a time getting on disability. She chose to have a special needs child.

Fark you for blaming the victim.

Seriously, f*ck you.

I don't have anything else to say to you.


You needn't bother. Silly Jesus has passed beyond what I call the Derpchild radius, the point at which Poe's Law collapses under the burden of its own derp. It's no longer possible to determine whether the farker is sincere, trolling, or sarcastic. Nor, ultimately does it matter. No rational argument will ever be able to escape that singularity. It's just mathematically impossible.
 
2012-11-16 11:42:25 PM  

ciberido: Silly Jesus: It comes down to life choices. She has three kids, one car, and works at Wal-Mart. Somewhere along the line some very bad decisions were made. These are the consequences. The Walton's didn't force her to make those decisions.

ox45tallboy: Yes, indeed. She chose to marry her first husband who put her in a bad situation. She chose to marry a second husband who got shot up in Iraq, and has had a hell of a time getting on disability. She chose to have a special needs child.

Fark you for blaming the victim.

Seriously, f*ck you.

I don't have anything else to say to you.

You needn't bother. Silly Jesus has passed beyond what I call the Derpchild radius, the point at which Poe's Law collapses under the burden of its own derp. It's no longer possible to determine whether the farker is sincere, trolling, or sarcastic. Nor, ultimately does it matter. No rational argument will ever be able to escape that singularity. It's just mathematically impossible.


Aww, how precious. You've created an alternate reality to avoid the real world.
 
2012-11-16 11:48:34 PM  
CUJOQUARREL:

"I have a cousin that does the same thing. Hates the job. Hates the management. Hates her co-workers. But she won't find something else and just quit.

On the other hand that's the way she's been with every job she's ever had ..."


My sympathies for your cousin. I'm a real softie inside and having been raised dirt poor, I know the woes of wretched poverty and hoplessness.

In my late forties, and for only $800, I started my own appliance repair business. Took two years of gut-gnawing struggle but we are doing okay at last. Doing it right, keeping prices low and honoring all repair work. Last year, my wife and I brought in the son-in-law. Doing what I can for my family while my health holds up. Hope you are doing well, and we can only hope that your cousin survives these hard times.

Now, if I may, allow me to throw this out there: Anybody got any ideas on steps which can be taken to allow his cousin to have a happier and more meaningful life? Anyone?
 
2012-11-17 12:23:36 AM  

leadmetal: Now as to the walmart employment horror stories, why not leave? Are there no Targets? No Safeways? No Kmarts? No Menards? No Home Depots? If these other places pay more and treat people better, just start applying at them. I am sure they would prefer someone with applicable experience than someone right off the street.


If you're a minority/woman/senior citizen with no college education, your job options are limited.

"But why not get a degree?" With what money? All of their income goes to rent, food, and utilities.

"But why not get a loan?". Yes, banks are tripping over themselves to give loans to people who can barely afford to pay rent.

"Why not get a new job?" When you're working two waitressing jobs just feed your kids, you're not going to quit your job in an unstable job market, are you? Don't you think that if there were better paying jobs available out there, that working mother of 2 wouldn't already be applying for it?
 
2012-11-17 12:30:39 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: leadmetal: Now as to the walmart employment horror stories, why not leave? Are there no Targets? No Safeways? No Kmarts? No Menards? No Home Depots? If these other places pay more and treat people better, just start applying at them. I am sure they would prefer someone with applicable experience than someone right off the street.

If you're a minority/woman/senior citizen with no college education, your job options are limited.

"But why not get a degree?" With what money? All of their income goes to rent, food, and utilities.

"But why not get a loan?". Yes, banks are tripping over themselves to give loans to people who can barely afford to pay rent.

"Why not get a new job?" When you're working two waitressing jobs just feed your kids, you're not going to quit your job in an unstable job market, are you? Don't you think that if there were better paying jobs available out there, that working mother of 2 wouldn't already be applying for it?


Not irresponsibly having the two kids would be a good start.
 
2012-11-17 12:38:48 AM  

Silly Jesus: FuryOfFirestorm: leadmetal: Now as to the walmart employment horror stories, why not leave? Are there no Targets? No Safeways? No Kmarts? No Menards? No Home Depots? If these other places pay more and treat people better, just start applying at them. I am sure they would prefer someone with applicable experience than someone right off the street.

If you're a minority/woman/senior citizen with no college education, your job options are limited.

"But why not get a degree?" With what money? All of their income goes to rent, food, and utilities.

"But why not get a loan?". Yes, banks are tripping over themselves to give loans to people who can barely afford to pay rent.

"Why not get a new job?" When you're working two waitressing jobs just feed your kids, you're not going to quit your job in an unstable job market, are you? Don't you think that if there were better paying jobs available out there, that working mother of 2 wouldn't already be applying for it?

Not irresponsibly having the two kids would be a good start.


Wow. You are such a colossal asshole, you make Donald Trump look like Mr. Rogers.

Even Satan would reject your soul.
 
2012-11-17 12:39:48 AM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: Anybody got any ideas on steps which can be taken to allow his cousin to have a happier and more meaningful life? Anyone?


Change herself? I'm just basing that opinion on this:

CujoQuarrel: I have a cousin that does the same thing. Hates the job. Hates the management. Hates her co-workers. But she won't find something else and just quit.

On the other hand that's the way she's been with every job she's ever had ...


There seems to be a common factor.
 
2012-11-17 01:08:55 AM  

Mikey1969: jayphat: Umm, i hate to burst this myth, but they don't. On average, when a Walmart moves in, the number of businesses present beforehand that closes is 4. After 5 years, and if you've ever seen a Walmart built, a ton of crap gets built around it. I'm not going to look for this study tonight, google it yourself if you want to see it.

Yeah, either a bunch of chain restaurants, or places that don't do any business related to WalMart. In other words, no competition.


And certainly no companies that offer living wages.
 
2012-11-17 01:43:06 AM  

ciberido: You needn't bother. Silly Jesus has passed beyond what I call the Derpchild radius, the point at which Poe's Law collapses under the burden of its own derp. It's no longer possible to determine whether the farker is sincere, trolling, or sarcastic. Nor, ultimately does it matter. No rational argument will ever be able to escape that singularity. It's just mathematically impossible.


I've only ever used the ignore feature once before. I have no problem talking with the derpiest derper that ever derped, but there is just no point to insult. I'm better than that, and I have no use for someone that has to insult other people in order to feel better about himself.

Speaking of which, that's the attitude I see from many people in this thread - well, if "working for wal-mart" is the best that person can do, then tough. If they can do "better" than that, then they should quit.

What happens to the next person in line? Should everyone just leave this mess to be someone else's problem? What about the not-so-intelligent employees that don't understand that THIS ISN'T RIGHT? Are these people advocating that the workers just find somewhere else to work, rather than take a stand for what they were promised when they rearranged their lives for this job?

I don't get it.
 
2012-11-17 03:07:57 AM  

ox45tallboy: Litterbox: Welp, it should be interesting on Black Friday. Im a Deputy Sheriff and along with about ten others, we will be working security at our local Walmart. Less people is good as long as I still get paid for being there. LOL!

So, are you doing this a "side job" for $25+/hour?

What do you think about the employees at Wal-Mart that are being ordered to work "security" and "prevent people from cutting in line or getting into fights", like my sister? For $8.50/hr?


Your sister is working as a "security guard"? Wal-Mart doesn't have a very good reputation when it comes to new, untrained "security guards".

You and your sister are wise to fight this.
 
2012-11-17 03:08:05 AM  
Silly Jesus thinks you should be a slave if you have kids.

Silly Jesus also thinks having kids is a very bad thing.
 
2012-11-17 03:42:21 AM  
MithrandirBooga: Consider this. Walmart makes $15 billion in profit each year. Walmart employees consume $3 billion in government welfare each year.

How about they take a tiny hit off of profit to pay their employees enough to not need welfare, for a start? The employees are each contributing towards the GDP fraction that is being generated, but they are not receiving any of it. It's wage theft, plain and simple.

Joe Blowme: So generous with other peoples money, nice. Maybe you should run for office


Actually, if you read the comment you were replying to, it is Wal-Mart that is being generous with other people's money. Do you really not know why some Wal-Mart employees are on welfare? Can you not see the problem with a company making obscene profits WHILE THEIR EMPLOYEES NEED FOOD STAMPS?
 
2012-11-17 07:44:09 AM  

Mikey1969: jayphat: Umm, i hate to burst this myth, but they don't. On average, when a Walmart moves in, the number of businesses present beforehand that closes is 4. After 5 years, and if you've ever seen a Walmart built, a ton of crap gets built around it. I'm not going to look for this study tonight, google it yourself if you want to see it.

Yeah, either a bunch of chain restaurants, or places that don't do any business related to WalMart. In other words, no competition.


The Wal-Mart they built here a few years back has a strip mall that now surrounds the entire thing. Aside from the chain restaurants, the stores consist of Radio Shack, Game Stop, Dollar General, Super Cuts, a gas station, a Sprint store as well a couple others I cant think of right now. All these places are in direct competition with what Wal-Mart sells yet they're thriving.
 
2012-11-17 02:26:51 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Mikey1969: jayphat: Umm, i hate to burst this myth, but they don't. On average, when a Walmart moves in, the number of businesses present beforehand that closes is 4. After 5 years, and if you've ever seen a Walmart built, a ton of crap gets built around it. I'm not going to look for this study tonight, google it yourself if you want to see it.

Yeah, either a bunch of chain restaurants, or places that don't do any business related to WalMart. In other words, no competition.

The Wal-Mart they built here a few years back has a strip mall that now surrounds the entire thing. Aside from the chain restaurants, the stores consist of Radio Shack, Game Stop, Dollar General, Super Cuts, a gas station, a Sprint store as well a couple others I cant think of right now. All these places are in direct competition with what Wal-Mart sells yet they're thriving.


Game Stop: Used games. WalMart doesn't sell these.

Radio Shack: Haven't been able to classify this one for years, not sure how much they compete, because I've never seen anyone buy an actual TV at Radio Shack

Dollar General: Even WalMart doesn't sell that kind of cheap crap

Super Cuts: Hair Salons in WalMart are off and on, some have them, some don't. Sure they compete, but that Salon in WalMart could be turned into a bank tomorrow.

Gas Station: Just like the salon, it's not common enough in WalMart to be a regular thing, I can think of maybe 1 WalMart I know of here that sells gas.

Sprint: You DO realize that WalMart doesn't -rovide phone SERVICE, right? That's where people like Sprint come in. How exactly is WalMart supposed to sell you a cell phone if they drive the coverage providers out of business?
 
2012-11-17 06:03:26 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: Silly Jesus: FuryOfFirestorm: leadmetal: Now as to the walmart employment horror stories, why not leave? Are there no Targets? No Safeways? No Kmarts? No Menards? No Home Depots? If these other places pay more and treat people better, just start applying at them. I am sure they would prefer someone with applicable experience than someone right off the street.

If you're a minority/woman/senior citizen with no college education, your job options are limited.

"But why not get a degree?" With what money? All of their income goes to rent, food, and utilities.

"But why not get a loan?". Yes, banks are tripping over themselves to give loans to people who can barely afford to pay rent.

"Why not get a new job?" When you're working two waitressing jobs just feed your kids, you're not going to quit your job in an unstable job market, are you? Don't you think that if there were better paying jobs available out there, that working mother of 2 wouldn't already be applying for it?

Not irresponsibly having the two kids would be a good start.

Wow. You are such a colossal asshole, you make Donald Trump look like Mr. Rogers.

Even Satan would reject your soul.


Yeah, that's usually how liberals react to the concept of personal responsibility.
 
2012-11-17 06:05:38 PM  

Kittypie070: Silly Jesus thinks you should be a slave if you have kids.

Huh?

Silly Jesus also thinks having kids is a very bad thing.

Huh?


Do you always herp when you derp?

/cats suck
 
2012-11-17 06:07:31 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Can you not see the problem with a company making obscene profits WHILE THEIR EMPLOYEES NEED FOOD STAMPS?


A problem in what respect? One that should be "corrected" by law or merely a moral shortcoming?
 
2012-11-17 09:02:14 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: Silly Jesus: FuryOfFirestorm: leadmetal: Now as to the walmart employment horror stories, why not leave? Are there no Targets? No Safeways? No Kmarts? No Menards? No Home Depots? If these other places pay more and treat people better, just start applying at them. I am sure they would prefer someone with applicable experience than someone right off the street.

If you're a minority/woman/senior citizen with no college education, your job options are limited.

"But why not get a degree?" With what money? All of their income goes to rent, food, and utilities.

"But why not get a loan?". Yes, banks are tripping over themselves to give loans to people who can barely afford to pay rent.

"Why not get a new job?" When you're working two waitressing jobs just feed your kids, you're not going to quit your job in an unstable job market, are you? Don't you think that if there were better paying jobs available out there, that working mother of 2 wouldn't already be applying for it?

Not irresponsibly having the two kids would be a good start.

Wow. You are such a colossal asshole, you make Donald Trump look like Mr. Rogers.

Even Satan would reject your soul.


I see your carfeully crafted point and counter it with one equally logical: WHARGARBLE!!!
 
2012-11-17 10:46:57 PM  

Silly Jesus: GreatGlavinsGhost: Can you not see the problem with a company making obscene profits WHILE THEIR EMPLOYEES NEED FOOD STAMPS?

A problem in what respect? One that should be "corrected" by law or merely a moral shortcoming?


Hello Silly Jesus. I have followed this thread with great interest. Your particular comments intrugue me. You choose to do battle against great odds with the statists, the welfare enablers, the unionists and all of the left wing of thread farkers. Interesting.

From your comments, I take it that you are not a regular Republican kind of guy, and I'd be hard put to call you a big-L Libertarian. We do seem to share certain intellectual and moral precepts, but you do not really make it clear just how you think things should be in the world. Dude, you need a manifesto.

Actually, I guess that I need a manifesto from you, a simple clear statment of what you know is the right way to run a life, a nation and a culture. I entreat you to take a while to please compose a clear, simple declaration of an intentionally structured societal system which would create a better world on all levels..

And also, what are your intellectual, moral and educational sources? Nobody gets to be like you accidentally.
 
2012-11-17 11:24:48 PM  

Critatak: FuryOfFirestorm: Silly Jesus: FuryOfFirestorm: leadmetal: Now as to the walmart employment horror stories, why not leave? Are there no Targets? No Safeways? No Kmarts? No Menards? No Home Depots? If these other places pay more and treat people better, just start applying at them. I am sure they would prefer someone with applicable experience than someone right off the street.

If you're a minority/woman/senior citizen with no college education, your job options are limited.

"But why not get a degree?" With what money? All of their income goes to rent, food, and utilities.

"But why not get a loan?". Yes, banks are tripping over themselves to give loans to people who can barely afford to pay rent.

"Why not get a new job?" When you're working two waitressing jobs just feed your kids, you're not going to quit your job in an unstable job market, are you? Don't you think that if there were better paying jobs available out there, that working mother of 2 wouldn't already be applying for it?

Not irresponsibly having the two kids would be a good start.

Wow. You are such a colossal asshole, you make Donald Trump look like Mr. Rogers.

Even Satan would reject your soul.

I see your carfeully crafted point and counter it with one equally logical: WHARGARBLE!!!


Hello Critatak. I am here to help you. I just read your above comment and it is very much lacking in substance and clarity. If you disagree with Silly Jesus, it behooves you to post legitimate counterpoints and better alternatives, for in doing this, your own position is strengthened and your reputation is increased. Instead,you post immature giberish which can only make people believe that you are incapable of rational thought or sensible argument.

I for one do not wish to think that you are immature or somehow unable to write meaningfully. So please don't take it wrong if I offer a few tips on how to become a persuasive and highly respected communicator. First, rather than call people names, explain why your own position of a topic is superior to the position of your opponent. Knocking someone down does not mean that your own ideas are right, and convincing people that your ideas have merit and deserve consideration is probably the goal you would seek if you had a goal at all. And secondly, realize that your opponent is a human being deserving of the same respect that you yourself desire and deserve. Remember this cool tip: Ridicule without accomplishment just looks petty. Instead, offer superior quality proposals, as it makes everybody respect you and allows others to join you and applaud you in your victory. For total domination, do not even mention the opponent's silly ideas, as your own ideas, properly propounded, decimate without striking a single blow.

I believe that you are capable of much better argument and debate than the childish name-calling I saw above. Polish your skills, organize your thoughts, create politive programs, then launch these into discussions. Sit back and enjoy the satisfaction that only comes from the high regards you will get from people that really matter. And keep in mind that educated people must realize that using terms like, "WHARGARBLE!!!" only demonstrates that one is unable to communicate effectively. You might want to drop that one.
 
2012-11-18 12:43:32 AM  
Firstly, that looks like you copy and pasted that whole segment from somewhere else and inserted appropriate wording to make it coincide with my post. And second the whole point was to seem like "immature gibberish" when it was put next to deep sentences like "even satan would reject your soul" and that bit about Mr Rogers. Not about the conversation as a whole. But thank you for all that time you spent writing (or pasting) that overly patronizing post.
 
2012-11-18 11:23:41 AM  

Critatak: Firstly, that looks like you copy and pasted that whole segment from somewhere else and inserted appropriate wording to make it coincide with my post. And second the whole point was to seem like "immature gibberish" when it was put next to deep sentences like "even satan would reject your soul" and that bit about Mr Rogers. Not about the conversation as a whole. But thank you for all that time you spent writing (or pasting) that overly patronizing post.


Hello Critak, and than you for replying to my post. No, I did not cut and paste anything, as when I occasionally do so, I use quotation marks and site my sources. But it flatters me a bit to think it was worth mistaking for something in print. Nope, it's just little old high school drop-out me.

And if you think what I wrote was an attack, well, attacking is not something I normally do. After reading what you posted, I could easily make guesses at your position on the topic at hand. This is an important matter, guy. And here it was that you had a huge audience reading your post, and I just think that you blew an opportunity, I really do.

Once in a while, I jump into a conversation when one party seems like an intelligent guy who fails to make a meaningful message, to simply point out that nobody wins a debate by attacking and name calling. You are a smart guy, or you wouldn't be here on Fark, and you are a good guy, I can tell it, because you are wanting to take a stand for what you think will make the world a better place. I like that and appreciate your concern, I really do.

You will think I am lying when I say this, but - and I mean this - I am not a political person at all. I'm just a guy who has had his own share of crappy jobs and struggles and poverty, but who has standards and sticks to them. One standard is, when I'm not happy with a person, a job or a situation, I do not fight back, I walk away. It's not cowardice, it's smart tactics. In my 20's, I walked away from a marriage to a millionaire's daughter because the situation was not to my liking. I have walked away from several tolerabe jobs like Home Depot, and have had few regrets.

And as for disagreements, I never lose arguments, as I usually smile, tell my detractor, "I cannot argue with that", and just close the conversation down or depart. He who walks away smiling wins, you know.

Which brings me back to my original message to you. You are in my estimation intelligent and care about important things. We do not need to agree on anything, as I measure folks by their kindness and decency more thant their politics or cultural particulars. So I ask you with sincerity and hope that you please work on your debating skills. You have valid concerns, so rather than cough up something mean and pointless, try to toss in a clear and devastating alternative to your opponent's ideas. Beat him to death with the truth instead of a club. You will beat him and better, much better than that, you will be recognized by good people as a wise person and an effective communicator.
 
2012-11-18 05:09:37 PM  
Good lord, this thread has flown off the rails. I have no idea if either of you guys are mocking or defending me, or whatever.
 
2012-11-19 03:04:02 AM  
[watchful & interested cat wraps tail protectively around FuryOfFirestorm]

I wonder what else is gonna happen in here.
 
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