Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

3/10

Lsherm: ox45tallboy: Great Janitor: If the workers start to organize, I can exercise my right to fire the organizers.

No. No, you cannot.

You have proudly displayed your ignorance for all to witness. Go forth and educate thyself before spouting such nonsense in this forum.

You need to look up right to work states. They've legislated, on purpose, the means to get around the NRLA. The laws vary by state.

He's ignorant, but so are you.

I believe that you cannot be fired for organizing etc as long as it's not on company time in any state.

You can , however, be fired for not showing up for work which is what these people are threatening to do.

ox45tallboy: She just had the GM do it last week. Then "someone" overrode the GM and scheduled her for the week after Thanksgiving, 5 nights. The issue hasn't had time to resolve itself this way, and, depending on the way Black Friday works out, it might not have to.

So... it's a non-issue then.

Believe it or not, this was discussed. However, the computers tend to get pissy about people not taking the right amount of time for lunch. Plus, this would mean that she has to go from midnight to 7 AM with no break.

Do the computers get more or less pissy than management?

And, she's scheduled 10pm to 7am? 9 hours straight?

You have to close payroll sometime. If it were done at any other time, it would surely f*ck someone else just as much.

Most timekeeping software (that I know of) is designed to 'attach' the workers shift to the appropriate day, even if it goes past midnight.

ox45tallboy: Great Janitor: And please, explain to me how someone does not have a choice when it comes to finding work. I've never had that problem.

You probably have a better-than-average education, as well as few (if any) people dependent upon you for that next paycheck so that they can EAT.

Just because you don't have a particular problem, it is silly to think that the problem doesn't exist for others. A statement like yours makes you sound like someone that works nights and never understands why everyone complains about the rush hour traffic - you don't drive during rush hour!

My education is an associate's degree and a bunch of licences and certifications. So honestly, I'm not really better educated. But everyone I know who is unemployed is unemployed because they aren't looking for work, and that's two people I know who are unemployed. Even my felon friends have jobs. Walmart isn't the only one hiring.

ox45tallboy: People_are_Idiots: Uhm, the Constitution protects the right of the workers to protest and peacefully assemble to speak out on unfair practices. It does not protect a worker walking out of his/her job to do so, since Wal-mart has no union contract. Quote better next time please?

0/10

Great user name for someone that is arguing that Federal law prohibits retaliation against employee organizing. A self-fulfilling prophecy, if you will. Like a Republican who says "government doesn't work" and then, once elected, does his best to prove it.

Here you go. Educate thyself!

Whoa, a bigger idiot! Did I say FEDERAL law? I said CONSTITUTION. Constitution does not necessarily mean Federal. This is like saying Texas Law is valid in Arizona... next time, READ!

-10/10

AdolfOliverPanties: What's cool about having someone on your ignore list is that you can put a note in there that will be displayed each time the ignored person posts something.

And it is filter-free.

"you can put a note in there that will be displayed each time the ignored person posts something."

Does that make you feel superior? Do you sit in your room alone an laugh at those you've ignored? Do you go to little chat rooms filled with your specially choosen like minded thinking individuals and mock those who don't think like you?

Add me to your Ignore list please.
I don't care much for people that choose to only listen to people that think and view like themselves.
Its very narrow minded. Not open to wide ranges of thought.
Its basically choosing to be ignorant.

gingerjet: So part of their plan is to pre-announce the walk out?

/I don't think they thought this all the way through

Pretty smart, actually. If customers think it will be more of a hassle than it usually is (read riots, people trampled, etc) they might elect not to shop there and it will impact their bottom line.

The question isn't how many will strike, so much as how many shoppers will be scared by the coverage of this and go elsewhere.

Unskilled workers doing unskilled things annoyed that they get paid what they're worth.

Loyalty is worth it's own weight in gold. A living wage, benefits and other things which enable someone to work there long term could raise the quality of employees there, but they don't want that. Don't like it, don't work there.

Learn a trade that's in demand.

fire them all.
I worked for walmart for a while when I lost my last job.
If you can't survive on $9.00/hr (my starting pay)... make lifestyle adjustments.
SAVE MONEY THEN BUY!
not put it on credit.
/Bought a house on $7.50/hr 1br 50k perfect starter home

This becomes unforgivable at the busiest times of year.

Wal mart MIGHT have given a crap about their beefs if they did this on September 23rd or something.

Now they will just hold a grudge. And the customers will blame you. You lose. everything.

If wal mart goes union, pays high wages, and raises prices, the financial markets will fund a brand new wal mart clone and have it up and running in months. Interestingly, these same people will be working there, because even if they win, they will be fired.

ox45tallboy: Lsherm: You need to look up right to work states. They've legislated, on purpose, the means to get around the NRLA. The laws vary by state.

He's ignorant, but so are you.

I'm in a right to work state right now (Alabama). Don't call me ignorant for explaining to someone that it is illegal to fire someone for attempting to organize, no matter what state you're in.

Of course there are ways around it. But that doesn't make it legal, it means that you have to find a different reason to fire the organizers.

BTW people keep misunderstanding 'right to work' laws. If you are in a right to work state all it means is that 'closed shops' are illegal. A closed shop is where the company agrees that all employees must join the union. It does not mean that unions are outlawed.

cman: What took them so damn long?

Good luck, btw

Oppressive management and constant bombardment with anti-union propaganda, for starters. Most large non-union stores make you watch an anti-union vid as part of training, and keep the break rooms well stocked with anti-union posters and flyers.

Not that I'm bitter about having spent three years of my life working in a non-union store.

"Competitive pay" my ass.

People_are_Idiots: Whoa, a bigger idiot! Did I say FEDERAL law? I said CONSTITUTION. Constitution does not necessarily mean Federal. This is like saying Texas Law is valid in Arizona... next time, READ!

-10/10

ox45tallboy: Next time, figure out what the hell you are talking about. I called Great Janitor out for claiming that he had the right to fire anyone attempting to organize a Union. I pointed out an article discussing Constitutional Theory, as well as the Wagner Act. You butted in and called me "ignorant" and said I had no idea what I was talking about, and demanded a better reference. I linked straight to the Wagner Act, and now you're spouting off some nonsense about the Constitution and how Federal law Texas valid in Arizona... I have no idea what you think you are talking about, but I gave you the FEDERAL law which trumps any and all State laws. If that's not good enough for you, then fark off.

I rate you negative infinity/10. So there.

Mine goes to -11/10.

As someone who indirectly profits from Walmart, let me say "fark 'em". As a human being, let me say "good for them, and I hope it's widespread enough to make Walmart pay attention".

Unfortunately, because most of Walmart's employment is low skilled with a high turnover, it's likely they'll just can the walkers and replace them same day. Likely they'll let it be known in the stores that "if you walk out, don't come back".

Of curse, I could be completely wrong. Regardless, since I used to work retail, I stay home on Black Friday because I don't think they should have to work, I enjoy not having to go anywhere on Black Friday, and it's a GODDAMN ZOO. Seriously, I don't care if I can get a 60" 120htz Samsung LCD TV at Walmart that day. I can't going anywhere.

So your profile says your location is France is that outdated.

Silly Jesus: timujin: Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

Generally speaking, that is untrue. While working at Wal-mart is not a job that requires a particularly high skill level, the people who are skilled enough are also the people who like to be able to eat and who don't like to be told to do work that is in violation of labor laws. Now, I'm sure there are people that are willing to put up with that, but I believe Wal-mart will find the quality of those workers to be lacking.

Basically, you pay for what you get.

Which also happens to be true when you shop at Wal-mart.

The few times that I have ventured into Wal-mart I haven't been very impressed by the quality of their employees. Yelling to each other and laughing about nonsense from one register to another one 10 rows away. Standing in your way everywhere talking on cell phones. Literally retarded greeters. Parking lot full of trash and discarded shopping carts. Sort of seems like they are already scraping the bottom of the barrel. I don't think that Wal-mart could possibly find the quality of anyone lacking. So, yeah, there is no shortage of mouth-breathers to fill the positions of the current employees if they don't like it enough to stick around.

Keep in mind the high turnover rate. Of course they have the bottom of the barrel, because they're not exactly getting the creme de la creme in applicants. Higher pay will attract more people, and then they can be picky about whom they hire.

As much as I dislike Starbucks, take a look there. The pay is good (comparatively) and the hiring standards are strict. Thus, the folks at Starbucks are typically a lot more friendly and generally happier than say... a McDonalds worker.

ox45tallboy: divx88: Don't like it, don't work there.

Learn a trade that's in demand.

Stocking groceries is in demand. That's why people are doing it.

If they were to learn a new trade, then who would stock the groceries? And would the new grocery stockers deserve to be treated this way?

It's an entry level job that anyone can do. A stepping stone, not a life long career. If all you ever do is aspire to bag groceries then you shouldn't expect to get paid anymore than an unskilled bagger. If that makes you happy then great. If the company you're doing unskilled labor doesn't want to pay you more than minimum wage and no benefits and that doesn't work for you and you are happy with the bare minimum, then you're working for the wrong company ... though guess what, there's more demand to be the lowest common denominator and have a living wage with benefits. If they learn a trade to move on from grocery bagging, I somehow doubt we'd all be in a great bagger shortage.

"And would the new grocery stockers deserve to be treated this way?"

If enough people turn away the work, voice why leaving Walmart with a large enough employee deficit, they would end up having to provide better incentives to entice people back.

"Put Its Promises in Writing
Agree to a global labor agreement guaranteeing the fundamental human right of freedom of association for all of its associates and instruct their suppliers to do the same, and recognize and negotiate with OUR Walmart."

Sneaky. This is the big one. It creates a labor union.

fredklein: ox45tallboy: She just had the GM do it last week. Then "someone" overrode the GM and scheduled her for the week after Thanksgiving, 5 nights. The issue hasn't had time to resolve itself this way, and, depending on the way Black Friday works out, it might not have to.

So... it's a non-issue then.

Believe it or not, this was discussed. However, the computers tend to get pissy about people not taking the right amount of time for lunch. Plus, this would mean that she has to go from midnight to 7 AM with no break.

Do the computers get more or less pissy than management?

And, she's scheduled 10pm to 7am? 9 hours straight?

You have to close payroll sometime. If it were done at any other time, it would surely f*ck someone else just as much.

Most timekeeping software (that I know of) is designed to 'attach' the workers shift to the appropriate day, even if it goes past midnight.

No, the software can't be that ambivalent about which work week it is putting the hours in. States have distinct laws about how often you get paid, and the maximum amount of time allowed in between paychecks. Arizona, for example said you had to be paid twice a month, and no more than 15 days in between checks(we looked it up when the TV station I worked for kept having paychecks bounce), and as a result, you have to have a specific time of day on the last day of the pay period where the next minute, hour, whatever, ends up on the next pay period, and overtime stops, even if your shift doesn't. I've known people over the years who have had employers who took advantage of that. Only a couple, but there ARE companies who play that game, and the software can't do anything about it. Besides, it would really fark up accounting if the overtime cutoff varied from person to person, week to week, and pay period to pay period.

DownDaRiver: AdolfOliverPanties: What's cool about having someone on your ignore list is that you can put a note in there that will be displayed each time the ignored person posts something.

And it is filter-free.

"you can put a note in there that will be displayed each time the ignored person posts something."

Does that make you feel superior? Do you sit in your room alone an laugh at those you've ignored? Do you go to little chat rooms filled with your specially choosen like minded thinking individuals and mock those who don't think like you?

Add me to your Ignore list please.
I don't care much for people that choose to only listen to people that think and view like themselves.
Its very narrow minded. Not open to wide ranges of thought.
Its basically choosing to be ignorant.

Are you new to fark? Have you heard of these things called 'trolls'? When you're really cranking on these boards, it's rather nice to have them flagged or ignored to save you from replying before you realize that you've just fed one of these mystical creatures.

Ah crap! I better do my Walmart Shopping on Monday. Buy 2 packs of sausages that'll last until the next Monday, and two packs of those "Indulgent Trail" mixes to keep me happy.

I love me some Wal-mart hate.

Two huge stores near me less than 15 miles away from each other. Bonus: people from 60 miles go there to shop.

divx88: Unskilled workers doing unskilled things annoyed that they get paid what they're worth.

Loyalty is worth it's own weight in gold. A living wage, benefits and other things which enable someone to work there long term could raise the quality of employees there, but they don't want that. Don't like it, don't work there.

Learn a trade that's in demand.

They would love to be loyal, if their employer would just give them a reason.

Oh, and as far as the 'learn a trade/if they don't like it, don't work there' mantra, you don't seem to realize that these magical jobs aren't infinite in number. Not only that, but working in someplace like WalMart isn't exactly the way to get the money to afford school, and a lot of these people are working 2-3 jobs and also don't have the time to go to school as well as put food on the table. Besides, SOMEONE has to be there to sell you those shiatty flip flops you like so much.

Sure, it helps YOU sleep at night because you can rationalize it away, but it's just a cop out, nothing more. It does nothing to actually solve the problem. In fact, it makes it worse because people ignore it.

I sound fat: This becomes unforgivable at the busiest times of year.

Wal mart MIGHT have given a crap about their beefs if they did this on September 23rd or something.

Now they will just hold a grudge. And the customers will blame you. You lose. everything.

Yeah, it's not like people have been making this request constantly for the last 20 years(at least) or anything... They shouldn't have brought this up out of the blue like this.

Mikey1969: DownDaRiver: AdolfOliverPanties: What's cool about having someone on your ignore list is that you can put a note in there that will be displayed each time the ignored person posts something.

And it is filter-free.

"you can put a note in there that will be displayed each time the ignored person posts something."

Does that make you feel superior? Do you sit in your room alone an laugh at those you've ignored? Do you go to little chat rooms filled with your specially choosen like minded thinking individuals and mock those who don't think like you?

Add me to your Ignore list please.
I don't care much for people that choose to only listen to people that think and view like themselves.
Its very narrow minded. Not open to wide ranges of thought.
Its basically choosing to be ignorant.

Are you new to fark? Have you heard of these things called 'trolls'? When you're really cranking on these boards, it's rather nice to have them flagged or ignored to save you from replying before you realize that you've just fed one of these mystical creatures.


Wow, you almost got me. (not really)
The "really cranking" thingy was kinda obvious.
But the "just fed ~ mystical creature" really pushed it over.

LincolnLogolas: Silly Jesus: timujin: Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

Generally speaking, that is untrue. While working at Wal-mart is not a job that requires a particularly high skill level, the people who are skilled enough are also the people who like to be able to eat and who don't like to be told to do work that is in violation of labor laws. Now, I'm sure there are people that are willing to put up with that, but I believe Wal-mart will find the quality of those workers to be lacking.

Basically, you pay for what you get.

Which also happens to be true when you shop at Wal-mart.

The few times that I have ventured into Wal-mart I haven't been very impressed by the quality of their employees. Yelling to each other and laughing about nonsense from one register to another one 10 rows away. Standing in your way everywhere talking on cell phones. Literally retarded greeters. Parking lot full of trash and discarded shopping carts. Sort of seems like they are already scraping the bottom of the barrel. I don't think that Wal-mart could possibly find the quality of anyone lacking. So, yeah, there is no shortage of mouth-breathers to fill the positions of the current employees if they don't like it enough to stick around.

Keep in mind the high turnover rate. Of course they have the bottom of the barrel, because they're not exactly getting the creme de la creme in applicants. Higher pay will attract more people, and then they can be picky about whom they hire.

As much as I dislike Starbucks, take a look there. The pay is good (comparatively) and the hiring standards are strict. Thus, the folks at Starbucks are typically a lot more friendly and generally happier than say... a McDonalds worker.

A:You've been to an awfully strange WalMart. I've never seen them standing in my way, talking on cell phones and screaming jokes to someone 10 registers away. Are you sure that you're not making this up just to sound like you have an reason to be dismissive of people who aren't as perfect as you?

B:"Literally retarded" greeters are kind of the point. About the only decent thing WalMart had ever done is create a whole new job to give disadvantaged(i.e. "literally retarded", old, physically disabled) people some kind of meaningful(to them) employment. As much as Walmart sucks, this was at least started with some kind of noble intentions, possibly so that you could feel superior.

fusillade762: ox45tallboy: Great Janitor: When I worked at Krogers in 1996

Calling it "Krogers" instead of "Kroger" (its real name) let's me know that you actually DID work there. I have no idea why, but people in the South add the "s".

People here in the NW do the same thing with Haggen. They call it "Haggens". Then there's this:



WHAR APOSTROPHE, WHAR?!?! 

My first job was counting bottles at Fred Meyer (now owned by Kroger).

I heard that they had to sell it to pay for Obamacare. :-P

Mikey's a troll? I thought he was just a mindreader with a time machine.

Mikey1969: divx88: Unskilled workers doing unskilled things annoyed that they get paid what they're worth.

Loyalty is worth it's own weight in gold. A living wage, benefits and other things which enable someone to work there long term could raise the quality of employees there, but they don't want that. Don't like it, don't work there.

Learn a trade that's in demand.

They would love to be loyal, if their employer would just give them a reason.

Oh, and as far as the 'learn a trade/if they don't like it, don't work there' mantra, you don't seem to realize that these magical jobs aren't infinite in number. Not only that, but working in someplace like WalMart isn't exactly the way to get the money to afford school, and a lot of these people are working 2-3 jobs and also don't have the time to go to school as well as put food on the table. Besides, SOMEONE has to be there to sell you those shiatty flip flops you like so much.

Sure, it helps YOU sleep at night because you can rationalize it away, but it's just a cop out, nothing more. It does nothing to actually solve the problem. In fact, it makes it worse because people ignore it.

Oh no life is hard what will I ever do ... get used to it.

/ shops Costco
// doesn't buy shiatty flip flops
/// no degree
//// on contract on site all expenses paid; busted my ass for it
// not against people fighting for better conditions
// http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6HTeO_iz0w
// sleeps well at night
// supported supermarkets during 2003-2004 strike
// meow!

Mikey1969: LincolnLogolas: Silly Jesus: timujin: Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

Generally speaking, that is untrue. While working at Wal-mart is not a job that requires a particularly high skill level, the people who are skilled enough are also the people who like to be able to eat and who don't like to be told to do work that is in violation of labor laws. Now, I'm sure there are people that are willing to put up with that, but I believe Wal-mart will find the quality of those workers to be lacking.

Basically, you pay for what you get.

Which also happens to be true when you shop at Wal-mart.

The few times that I have ventured into Wal-mart I haven't been very impressed by the quality of their employees. Yelling to each other and laughing about nonsense from one register to another one 10 rows away. Standing in your way everywhere talking on cell phones. Literally retarded greeters. Parking lot full of trash and discarded shopping carts. Sort of seems like they are already scraping the bottom of the barrel. I don't think that Wal-mart could possibly find the quality of anyone lacking. So, yeah, there is no shortage of mouth-breathers to fill the positions of the current employees if they don't like it enough to stick around.

Keep in mind the high turnover rate. Of course they have the bottom of the barrel, because they're not exactly getting the creme de la creme in applicants. Higher pay will attract more people, and then they can be picky about whom they hire.

As much as I dislike Starbucks, take a look there. The pay is good (comparatively) and the hiring standards are strict. Thus, the folks at Starbucks are typically a lot more friendly and generally happier than say... a McDonalds worker.

A:You've been to an awfully strange WalMart. I've never seen them standing in my way, talking on cell phones and screaming jokes to someone 10 registers away. Are you sure that you're not making this u ...

I see stuff like that all the time here on how bad the WallyWorlds look and how non helpful the staff is and I've never see that. The ones near me are spotlessly clean and I've never had any problems getting assistance.

Is it a northern thing maybe? I'm in the deep south.

Therion: Done in two - both the humane and the asshole views have been spoken.

Had to be restated.

What makes me laugh about fark threads like this is reading the posts from those that don't seem to understand how basic economics work, even though if you were to believe their posts, they were grads of Harvard, Yale, Oxford & MIT (at the same time) who wrote the book on life, love, money, sex and everything under the sun. And they don't realize that no one really believes them.