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(Crooks & Liars)   Wal-mart workers are planning the company's first ever walk-out. On Black Friday   ( occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com) divider line
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2012-11-16 01:26:47 AM  

Zebulon: You apparently have no idea how most retail companies work. Do you know how much of every dollar you spend at a Walmart actually turns into profit? 3 cents. That's it. 3 pennies. So, to increase one Walmart associate's pay by $4 an hour would take an extra $133 or so in sales. Doesn't seem like much, right? Now, take into account that the average Walmart has about 200 employees, and lets say a third of them are there at any given time. That means that the store would need to cover 67 employees, which would mean they would need an extra $2211 in sales, *every hour*. For a 24 hr supercenter, that would mean a little over $53000 a day. The Walmart I work at usually only averages about $200000 in sales a day, so we would need to increase our sales by about 25% to cover those costs. Not going to happen.


Sigh. Math simply does not work that way.

While your "gross profit" number is accurate, you're also not taking into account that this number is arrived after calculating the huge salaries and bonuses and stock options of the highest level executives, as well as the individuals who hold "honorary" positions at the company due to their ownership. It's a classic dodge for the owner/executive, as his stock options are counted pre-profit, so his slice comes out of the pie before everyone else divvies it up. Reducing salaries of the highest levels of management that are profiting the most from their own decisions to treat the employees like crap would be a huge start.

Also, increasing income does NOT necessarily mean increasing the number of people who shop there, or the number of items they purchase. It can also mean "raise prices". Wal-Mart prices are artificially low due to the fact that they treat their employees like crap. If they paid their employees better, or provided them with benefits, then yes, they would have to raise their prices.

A further refutation of your argument was given earlier in the thread in the comparison with CostCo, who treats their employees much better. A side effect of treating your employees like human beings is that they tend to stay with you longer, thereby lowering employee training costs as you are no longer having to train replacements due to atrocious turnover.

Your oversimplification simply does not do justice to the issue.
 
2012-11-16 01:27:16 AM  

ox45tallboy: Great Janitor: If you want more money, find a better job, gain more marketable skills, start your own business. Don't expect the government to increase minimum wage or protest your employer into paying you more.

Pull themselves up by their bootstraps, eh?

But someone still has to stock the groceries. If EVERYONE did as you suggested, who would stock the groceries?


Some people honestly like working at Walmart. I know, it's odd. When I worked at Krogers in 1996 I had a coworker, he had been there for years as a bagger. He refused promotion after promotion because he just wanted to be a bagger and nothing more. For those who like working at Walmart, stay there, be happy. For those who don't like it there, find a different job or shut up.
 
2012-11-16 01:32:01 AM  

fredklein: If it was "absoltely clear", that she was not available Friday nights, why did she come in at all? If she's mistakenly scheduled for it, she can speak to a manager and get it taken off. And that would solve the whole 'overtime' thing, too.


She just had the GM do it last week. Then "someone" overrode the GM and scheduled her for the week after Thanksgiving, 5 nights. The issue hasn't had time to resolve itself this way, and, depending on the way Black Friday works out, it might not have to.

fredklein: Or, (assuming she wanted to work Fridays and has less than 2 hours OT) she could punch in at 10pm (on time, no tardys!), and immediately punch out for lunch. Wait the time needed, then punch in from lunch.


Believe it or not, this was discussed. However, the computers tend to get pissy about people not taking the right amount of time for lunch. Plus, this would mean that she has to go from midnight to 7 AM with no break.

fredklein: /who the heck closes the payroll week at Friday midnight??


You have to close payroll sometime. If it were done at any other time, it would surely f*ck someone else just as much.
 
2012-11-16 01:34:06 AM  

Great Janitor: For those who don't like it there, find a different job or shut up.


Or organize and use your freedom of speech and association.
For some reason it's okay for management to be organized and put pressure on workers, but the reverse should be unthinkable and only be done by lazy deadbeats right?
 
2012-11-16 01:35:19 AM  
Wal-mart is going to mass-hire a crop of new employees after firing the employees who choose to walk from their duties.
 
2012-11-16 01:37:39 AM  
Welp, it should be interesting on Black Friday. Im a Deputy Sheriff and along with about ten others, we will be working security at our local Walmart. Less people is good as long as I still get paid for being there. LOL!
 
2012-11-16 01:37:53 AM  

Great Janitor: When I worked at Krogers in 1996


Calling it "Krogers" instead of "Kroger" (its real name) let's me know that you actually DID work there. I have no idea why, but people in the South add the "s".

Great Janitor: For those who like working at Walmart, stay there, be happy. For those who don't like it there, find a different job or shut up.


Once again, many people DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE. If your bagger friend had been told that he would be required to also do other work during his shift, and receive no extra pay, would he have quit? What if there were no other grocery stores in the area for him to work at?

I'm glad your friend was able to find a job he liked that gave him fulfillment. But to think that Wal-Mart workers should just find somewhere else to work if they don't like it, as if the problem was the employee and not the job, is just wrong.
 
2012-11-16 01:40:30 AM  

Litterbox: Welp, it should be interesting on Black Friday. Im a Deputy Sheriff and along with about ten others, we will be working security at our local Walmart. Less people is good as long as I still get paid for being there. LOL!


So, are you doing this a "side job" for $25+/hour?

What do you think about the employees at Wal-Mart that are being ordered to work "security" and "prevent people from cutting in line or getting into fights", like my sister? For $8.50/hr?
 
2012-11-16 01:40:35 AM  

ACallForPeace: Great Janitor: For those who don't like it there, find a different job or shut up.

Or organize and use your freedom of speech and association.
For some reason it's okay for management to be organized and put pressure on workers, but the reverse should be unthinkable and only be done by lazy deadbeats right?


I view it this way: I own a company. I decide how much a job is worth. A person applies for that job. I tell them what that job pays and what the duties involved are. They then make the choice as to whether or not they accept the job if it's offered. Since the worker does not own the company, they can ask for more money and I, the owner, can refuse. If the workers start to organize, I can exercise my right to fire the organizers.

These workers wanting better working conditions are going to have an easier task finding jobs that meet those better working conditions than they are trying to get Walmart to change.
 
2012-11-16 01:45:54 AM  

Great Janitor: I view it this way: I own a company. I decide how much a job is worth. A person applies for that job. I tell them what that job pays and what the duties involved are. They then make the choice as to whether or not they accept the job if it's offered. Since the worker does not own the company, they can ask for more money and I, the owner, can refuse. If the workers start to organize, I can exercise my right to fire the organizers.


1) Wal-Mart violated their own agreements many times
2) It's illegal to fire employees for organizing, but yes you could be a snake bastard about it and use excuses.
So both illegal and unethical, good job.
 
2012-11-16 01:47:50 AM  

Great Janitor: If the workers start to organize, I can exercise my right to fire the organizers.


No. No, you cannot.

You have proudly displayed your ignorance for all to witness. Go forth and educate thyself before spouting such nonsense in this forum.
 
2012-11-16 01:48:04 AM  

ox45tallboy: Great Janitor: When I worked at Krogers in 1996

Calling it "Krogers" instead of "Kroger" (its real name) let's me know that you actually DID work there. I have no idea why, but people in the South add the "s".

Great Janitor: For those who like working at Walmart, stay there, be happy. For those who don't like it there, find a different job or shut up.

Once again, many people DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE. If your bagger friend had been told that he would be required to also do other work during his shift, and receive no extra pay, would he have quit? What if there were no other grocery stores in the area for him to work at?

I'm glad your friend was able to find a job he liked that gave him fulfillment. But to think that Wal-Mart workers should just find somewhere else to work if they don't like it, as if the problem was the employee and not the job, is just wrong.


First, when you work hourly, if you're told to do extra work you do it. If they tell you to work off the clock go up the chain of command. I used to work in the corporate office for Gamestop. Store managers were instantly fired once the corporate office discovered they were forcing people to work off the clock. I believe it's an OSHA violation, OSHA or not, the company still gets fined for it. Workers who are required to work off the clock should complain as soon as possible. And not just to the District Manager, but going through the BBB or local government offices. Being required to work off the clock and not saying anything about it changes nothing.

And please, explain to me how someone does not have a choice when it comes to finding work. I've never had that problem.
 
2012-11-16 01:49:19 AM  

Smelly McUgly: Silly Jesus: Maybe it will shape up like the Hostess strike. Hostess told the workers that if they went on strike they would shutter the factories and fire them all. They went on strike...Hostess closed the factories...the workers went all WHARGARBLLL "yall took are jerbs!" It was beeeautiful.

I am looking forward to Hostess going out of business. Good. One less crappy company making terrible products and screwing their employees. It's the free market; someone else will pop up and maybe do things right the next time.


Mhmm, most likely some Mexican company will buy the brand and move all of it overseas. Mrs Baird's bread anyone?
 
2012-11-16 01:52:41 AM  

ox45tallboy: Great Janitor: If the workers start to organize, I can exercise my right to fire the organizers.

No. No, you cannot.

You have proudly displayed your ignorance for all to witness. Go forth and educate thyself before spouting such nonsense in this forum.


Uhm, the Constitution protects the right of the workers to protest and peacefully assemble to speak out on unfair practices. It does not protect a worker walking out of his/her job to do so, since Wal-mart has no union contract. Quote better next time please?

I live with my mom
 
2012-11-16 01:53:46 AM  

Great Janitor: And please, explain to me how someone does not have a choice when it comes to finding work. I've never had that problem.


You probably have a better-than-average education, as well as few (if any) people dependent upon you for that next paycheck so that they can EAT.

Just because you don't have a particular problem, it is silly to think that the problem doesn't exist for others. A statement like yours makes you sound like someone that works nights and never understands why everyone complains about the rush hour traffic - you don't drive during rush hour!
 
2012-11-16 01:53:49 AM  

Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.


3/10
 
2012-11-16 01:54:41 AM  

ox45tallboy: Great Janitor: If the workers start to organize, I can exercise my right to fire the organizers.

No. No, you cannot.

You have proudly displayed your ignorance for all to witness. Go forth and educate thyself before spouting such nonsense in this forum.


You need to look up right to work states. They've legislated, on purpose, the means to get around the NRLA. The laws vary by state.

He's ignorant, but so are you.
 
2012-11-16 01:57:01 AM  

People_are_Idiots: Uhm, the Constitution protects the right of the workers to protest and peacefully assemble to speak out on unfair practices. It does not protect a worker walking out of his/her job to do so, since Wal-mart has no union contract. Quote better next time please?

I live with my mom


Great user name for someone that is arguing that Federal law prohibits retaliation against employee organizing. A self-fulfilling prophecy, if you will. Like a Republican who says "government doesn't work" and then, once elected, does his best to prove it.

Here you go. Educate thyself!
 
2012-11-16 01:57:18 AM  

Lsherm: ox45tallboy: Great Janitor: If the workers start to organize, I can exercise my right to fire the organizers.

No. No, you cannot.

You have proudly displayed your ignorance for all to witness. Go forth and educate thyself before spouting such nonsense in this forum.

You need to look up right to work states. They've legislated, on purpose, the means to get around the NRLA. The laws vary by state.

He's ignorant, but so are you.


I believe that you cannot be fired for organizing etc as long as it's not on company time in any state.

You can , however, be fired for not showing up for work which is what these people are threatening to do.
 
2012-11-16 01:58:51 AM  

ox45tallboy: She just had the GM do it last week. Then "someone" overrode the GM and scheduled her for the week after Thanksgiving, 5 nights. The issue hasn't had time to resolve itself this way, and, depending on the way Black Friday works out, it might not have to.


So... it's a non-issue then.

Believe it or not, this was discussed. However, the computers tend to get pissy about people not taking the right amount of time for lunch. Plus, this would mean that she has to go from midnight to 7 AM with no break.

Do the computers get more or less pissy than management?

And, she's scheduled 10pm to 7am? 9 hours straight?

You have to close payroll sometime. If it were done at any other time, it would surely f*ck someone else just as much.

Most timekeeping software (that I know of) is designed to 'attach' the workers shift to the appropriate day, even if it goes past midnight.
 
2012-11-16 01:59:26 AM  

Lsherm: You need to look up right to work states. They've legislated, on purpose, the means to get around the NRLA. The laws vary by state.

He's ignorant, but so are you.


I'm in a right to work state right now (Alabama). Don't call me ignorant for explaining to someone that it is illegal to fire someone for attempting to organize, no matter what state you're in.

Of course there are ways around it. But that doesn't make it legal, it means that you have to find a different reason to fire the organizers.
 
2012-11-16 02:00:17 AM  

ox45tallboy: Great Janitor: And please, explain to me how someone does not have a choice when it comes to finding work. I've never had that problem.

You probably have a better-than-average education, as well as few (if any) people dependent upon you for that next paycheck so that they can EAT.

Just because you don't have a particular problem, it is silly to think that the problem doesn't exist for others. A statement like yours makes you sound like someone that works nights and never understands why everyone complains about the rush hour traffic - you don't drive during rush hour!


My education is an associate's degree and a bunch of licences and certifications. So honestly, I'm not really better educated. But everyone I know who is unemployed is unemployed because they aren't looking for work, and that's two people I know who are unemployed. Even my felon friends have jobs. Walmart isn't the only one hiring.
 
2012-11-16 02:02:17 AM  

ox45tallboy: People_are_Idiots: Uhm, the Constitution protects the right of the workers to protest and peacefully assemble to speak out on unfair practices. It does not protect a worker walking out of his/her job to do so, since Wal-mart has no union contract. Quote better next time please?

I live with my mom

Great user name for someone that is arguing that Federal law prohibits retaliation against employee organizing. A self-fulfilling prophecy, if you will. Like a Republican who says "government doesn't work" and then, once elected, does his best to prove it.

Here you go. Educate thyself!


Whoa, a bigger idiot! Did I say FEDERAL law? I said CONSTITUTION. Constitution does not necessarily mean Federal. This is like saying Texas Law is valid in Arizona... next time, READ!

-10/10
 
2012-11-16 02:03:48 AM  

fredklein: So... it's a non-issue then.


It's another straw on the camel's back, and it weighs on her decision as to what to do regarding the job.

fredklein: Do the computers get more or less pissy than management?


When the computers are pissy, they make sure that management is pissy because the managers have to walk around and scan their barcodes.

fredklein: And, she's scheduled 10pm to 7am? 9 hours straight?


With 1 hour for lunch. But in your scenario, she has already taken TWO hours for lunch.

fredklein: Most timekeeping software (that I know of) is designed to 'attach' the workers shift to the appropriate day, even if it goes past midnight.


That's not the way theirs works. But even if it did work that way, the time clock would still have the previous Friday to deal with as being "Saturday" hours. So that would solve the problem the first week, but it would be back every week afterwards.
 
2012-11-16 02:05:11 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: What's cool about having someone on your ignore list is that you can put a note in there that will be displayed each time the ignored person posts something.

And it is filter-free.

"you can put a note in there that will be displayed each time the ignored person posts something."


Does that make you feel superior? Do you sit in your room alone an laugh at those you've ignored? Do you go to little chat rooms filled with your specially choosen like minded thinking individuals and mock those who don't think like you?

Add me to your Ignore list please.
I don't care much for people that choose to only listen to people that think and view like themselves.
Its very narrow minded. Not open to wide ranges of thought.
Its basically choosing to be ignorant.
 
2012-11-16 02:07:03 AM  

gingerjet: So part of their plan is to pre-announce the walk out?

/I don't think they thought this all the way through


Pretty smart, actually. If customers think it will be more of a hassle than it usually is (read riots, people trampled, etc) they might elect not to shop there and it will impact their bottom line.

The question isn't how many will strike, so much as how many shoppers will be scared by the coverage of this and go elsewhere.
 
2012-11-16 02:09:06 AM  

People_are_Idiots: Whoa, a bigger idiot! Did I say FEDERAL law? I said CONSTITUTION. Constitution does not necessarily mean Federal. This is like saying Texas Law is valid in Arizona... next time, READ!

-10/10


Next time, figure out what the hell you are talking about. I called Great Janitor out for claiming that he had the right to fire anyone attempting to organize a Union. I pointed out an article discussing Constitutional Theory, as well as the Wagner Act. You butted in and called me "ignorant" and said I had no idea what I was talking about, and demanded a better reference. I linked straight to the Wagner Act, and now you're spouting off some nonsense about the Constitution and how Federal law Texas valid in Arizona... I have no idea what you think you are talking about, but I gave you the FEDERAL law which trumps any and all State laws. If that's not good enough for you, then fark off.

I rate you negative infinity/10. So there.
 
2012-11-16 02:09:15 AM  
Unskilled workers doing unskilled things annoyed that they get paid what they're worth.

Loyalty is worth it's own weight in gold. A living wage, benefits and other things which enable someone to work there long term could raise the quality of employees there, but they don't want that. Don't like it, don't work there.

Learn a trade that's in demand.
 
2012-11-16 02:10:23 AM  
fire them all.
I worked for walmart for a while when I lost my last job.
If you can't survive on $9.00/hr (my starting pay)... make lifestyle adjustments.
SAVE MONEY THEN BUY!
not put it on credit.
/Bought a house on $7.50/hr 1br 50k perfect starter home
 
2012-11-16 02:11:28 AM  
This becomes unforgivable at the busiest times of year.

Wal mart MIGHT have given a crap about their beefs if they did this on September 23rd or something.

Now they will just hold a grudge. And the customers will blame you. You lose. everything.
 
2012-11-16 02:12:04 AM  

divx88: Don't like it, don't work there.

Learn a trade that's in demand.


Stocking groceries is in demand. That's why people are doing it.

If they were to learn a new trade, then who would stock the groceries? And would the new grocery stockers deserve to be treated this way?
 
2012-11-16 02:13:24 AM  
If wal mart goes union, pays high wages, and raises prices, the financial markets will fund a brand new wal mart clone and have it up and running in months. Interestingly, these same people will be working there, because even if they win, they will be fired.
 
2012-11-16 02:15:01 AM  

I sound fat: This becomes unforgivable at the busiest times of year.

Wal mart MIGHT have given a crap about their beefs if they did this on September 23rd or something.

Now they will just hold a grudge. And the customers will blame you. You lose. everything.


Well, see, Wal-Mart very cleverly didn't unveil their super-secret plans to fark all their employees on Thanksgiving this year until about a week and a half ago. Last year, they didn't come in until 10 PM, so they got to spend Thanksgiving with their familes. This year, everyone's in at 5 or 6.

Wal-Mart doesn't think enough about their employees to hold a grudge.
 
2012-11-16 02:17:18 AM  

ox45tallboy: Lsherm: You need to look up right to work states. They've legislated, on purpose, the means to get around the NRLA. The laws vary by state.

He's ignorant, but so are you.

I'm in a right to work state right now (Alabama). Don't call me ignorant for explaining to someone that it is illegal to fire someone for attempting to organize, no matter what state you're in.

Of course there are ways around it. But that doesn't make it legal, it means that you have to find a different reason to fire the organizers.


BTW people keep misunderstanding 'right to work' laws. If you are in a right to work state all it means is that 'closed shops' are illegal. A closed shop is where the company agrees that all employees must join the union. It does not mean that unions are outlawed.
 
2012-11-16 02:18:10 AM  

I sound fat: If wal mart goes union, pays high wages, and raises prices, the financial markets will fund a brand new wal mart clone and have it up and running in months. Interestingly, these same people will be working there, because even if they win, they will be fired.


While that post is definitely dumb, and would be at the top of many other threads' lists of dumb posts, that won't cut it here. You have to do better than that if you want to win dumbest post of THIS thread. Because between Great Janitor and Silly Jesus, there have been some major turds dropped up in here.
 
2012-11-16 02:19:23 AM  

ox45tallboy: Lsherm: You need to look up right to work states. They've legislated, on purpose, the means to get around the NRLA. The laws vary by state.

He's ignorant, but so are you.

I'm in a right to work state right now (Alabama). Don't call me ignorant for explaining to someone that it is illegal to fire someone for attempting to organize, no matter what state you're in.

Of course there are ways around it. But that doesn't make it legal, it means that you have to find a different reason to fire the organizers.


Fair enough. It's illegal to fire someone for attempting to organize. In some states, however, it's perfectly legal to fire someone for using a practical means for doing so.
 
2012-11-16 02:21:41 AM  

Lsherm: Fair enough. It's illegal to fire someone for attempting to organize. In some states, however, it's perfectly legal to fire someone for using a practical means for doing so.


Thanks. That's all that was needed, a little clarification.
 
2012-11-16 02:23:35 AM  

divx88: Loyalty is worth it's own weight in gold.


You're adorable.
 
2012-11-16 02:24:39 AM  

invisbob: /Bought a house on $7.50/hr 1br 50k perfect starter home


50k won't get you a shotgun shack these days.
 
2012-11-16 02:30:00 AM  

cman: What took them so damn long?

Good luck, btw


Oppressive management and constant bombardment with anti-union propaganda, for starters. Most large non-union stores make you watch an anti-union vid as part of training, and keep the break rooms well stocked with anti-union posters and flyers.

Not that I'm bitter about having spent three years of my life working in a non-union store.

"Competitive pay" my ass.
 
2012-11-16 02:38:00 AM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Doesn't matter. You can cite things like this all day and assholes like this thread's merry band of trolls will still lick the Walton heir's taints. We're Amurricans - no one can be too rich and any amount of employee abuse is perfectly OK because, by golly, they chose the work there.

When I hear shiat like this it pisses me off so much I'm ready to to go heads-on spikes. The billionaires and their white knights right next to them.


Send me your newsletter, eip.
/eip, if you need someone to swing the axe
 
2012-11-16 02:39:14 AM  
People_are_Idiots: Whoa, a bigger idiot! Did I say FEDERAL law? I said CONSTITUTION. Constitution does not necessarily mean Federal. This is like saying Texas Law is valid in Arizona... next time, READ!

-10/10


ox45tallboy: Next time, figure out what the hell you are talking about. I called Great Janitor out for claiming that he had the right to fire anyone attempting to organize a Union. I pointed out an article discussing Constitutional Theory, as well as the Wagner Act. You butted in and called me "ignorant" and said I had no idea what I was talking about, and demanded a better reference. I linked straight to the Wagner Act, and now you're spouting off some nonsense about the Constitution and how Federal law Texas valid in Arizona... I have no idea what you think you are talking about, but I gave you the FEDERAL law which trumps any and all State laws. If that's not good enough for you, then fark off.

I rate you negative infinity/10. So there.


Mine goes to -11/10.
 
2012-11-16 02:39:30 AM  
As someone who indirectly profits from Walmart, let me say "fark 'em". As a human being, let me say "good for them, and I hope it's widespread enough to make Walmart pay attention".

Unfortunately, because most of Walmart's employment is low skilled with a high turnover, it's likely they'll just can the walkers and replace them same day. Likely they'll let it be known in the stores that "if you walk out, don't come back".

Of curse, I could be completely wrong. Regardless, since I used to work retail, I stay home on Black Friday because I don't think they should have to work, I enjoy not having to go anywhere on Black Friday, and it's a GODDAMN ZOO. Seriously, I don't care if I can get a 60" 120htz Samsung LCD TV at Walmart that day. I can't going anywhere.
 
2012-11-16 02:44:25 AM  
So your profile says your location is France is that outdated.
 
2012-11-16 02:44:36 AM  

Silly Jesus: timujin: Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

Generally speaking, that is untrue. While working at Wal-mart is not a job that requires a particularly high skill level, the people who are skilled enough are also the people who like to be able to eat and who don't like to be told to do work that is in violation of labor laws. Now, I'm sure there are people that are willing to put up with that, but I believe Wal-mart will find the quality of those workers to be lacking.

Basically, you pay for what you get.

Which also happens to be true when you shop at Wal-mart.

The few times that I have ventured into Wal-mart I haven't been very impressed by the quality of their employees. Yelling to each other and laughing about nonsense from one register to another one 10 rows away. Standing in your way everywhere talking on cell phones. Literally retarded greeters. Parking lot full of trash and discarded shopping carts. Sort of seems like they are already scraping the bottom of the barrel. I don't think that Wal-mart could possibly find the quality of anyone lacking. So, yeah, there is no shortage of mouth-breathers to fill the positions of the current employees if they don't like it enough to stick around.


Keep in mind the high turnover rate. Of course they have the bottom of the barrel, because they're not exactly getting the creme de la creme in applicants. Higher pay will attract more people, and then they can be picky about whom they hire.

As much as I dislike Starbucks, take a look there. The pay is good (comparatively) and the hiring standards are strict. Thus, the folks at Starbucks are typically a lot more friendly and generally happier than say... a McDonalds worker.
 
2012-11-16 02:47:37 AM  

ciberido: Mine goes to -11/10.


And your math still makes more sense than his post.
 
2012-11-16 02:49:36 AM  

ox45tallboy: divx88: Don't like it, don't work there.

Learn a trade that's in demand.

Stocking groceries is in demand. That's why people are doing it.

If they were to learn a new trade, then who would stock the groceries? And would the new grocery stockers deserve to be treated this way?


It's an entry level job that anyone can do. A stepping stone, not a life long career. If all you ever do is aspire to bag groceries then you shouldn't expect to get paid anymore than an unskilled bagger. If that makes you happy then great. If the company you're doing unskilled labor doesn't want to pay you more than minimum wage and no benefits and that doesn't work for you and you are happy with the bare minimum, then you're working for the wrong company ... though guess what, there's more demand to be the lowest common denominator and have a living wage with benefits. If they learn a trade to move on from grocery bagging, I somehow doubt we'd all be in a great bagger shortage.

"And would the new grocery stockers deserve to be treated this way?"

If enough people turn away the work, voice why leaving Walmart with a large enough employee deficit, they would end up having to provide better incentives to entice people back.
 
2012-11-16 03:01:43 AM  

ox45tallboy: Great Janitor: When I worked at Krogers in 1996

Calling it "Krogers" instead of "Kroger" (its real name) let's me know that you actually DID work there. I have no idea why, but people in the South add the "s".


People here in the NW do the same thing with Haggen. They call it "Haggens". Then there's this:

groceryshopforfree.com

WHAR APOSTROPHE, WHAR?!?! 

My first job was counting bottles at Fred Meyer (now owned by Kroger).
 
2012-11-16 03:02:24 AM  
"Put Its Promises in Writing
Agree to a global labor agreement guaranteeing the fundamental human right of freedom of association for all of its associates and instruct their suppliers to do the same, and recognize and negotiate with OUR Walmart."

Sneaky. This is the big one. It creates a labor union.
 
2012-11-16 03:09:44 AM  

FLMountainMan: pxlboy: Bit'O'Gristle: Good luck to them, although huge corporations like this generally don't give a rats ass about the workers, they just care about the bottom line. But i do wish them well. They should really unionize and actually have some bargaining power.

Wal-Mart has actively engaged in union-busting for years. They're trying to break the will and the backs of labor to bring them on wage parity with China.

But not Target or Apple, right? Because we like them.


Nice assumption, but they are just as bad.
 
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