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(Crooks & Liars)   Wal-mart workers are planning the company's first ever walk-out. On Black Friday   ( occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com) divider line
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2012-11-15 11:17:01 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: In 2010, the Waltons' share [of wealth] equaled the entire bottom 41.5 percent of U.S. families.
Six people hold nearly 42 percent of the national wealth.
They are the Walton family.


I think Sam Walton is spinning in his grave at east as fast as Walt Disney... Talk about raising a dream, and then having people fark it all to Hell...
 
2012-11-15 11:17:23 PM  
25k a year? That's like $12.00 an hour, man. So, like, how many wage-slaves does Wally world employ anyway? I mean, what'll it cost, man, what'll it cost?!
 
2012-11-15 11:19:38 PM  

Fade2black: Not everybody needs an economics class to understand that if you jump up every single "no training required" job to "gainfully employed" that it would collapse the economy.


one of the things Richard Nixon wanted to introduce was a living wage law. Let that sink in for a while.
 
2012-11-15 11:19:43 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: I wonder what Labor's pitch to wal-mart's workers is?

"let us do for you, what we've done to the U.S. Auto and steel industries"

At least Wal-Mart got a free way to identify lazy, shiftless, braindead workers. They'll fire the dead wood, and the company will be better off.

//any defeat for organized Labor is a victory for the American Economy.


Well, the richest 1% of it, anyway.
 
2012-11-15 11:20:11 PM  
were gonna need to support them, they are all gonna be out jobs in 3... 2... 1...
 
2012-11-15 11:20:38 PM  

Testiclaw: TiiiMMMaHHH: The workers are demanding the following from Walmart:

We should be demanding similar requirements for every human on this Earth.

Good for the WM employees for getting together to do this.


You mean, mean guy Testiclaw. We should demand, DEMAND! that everybody on earth be given, not a tolerable wage of perhaps $25,000 as you propose, but a fortune of, say, *puts pinkie to side of lip* ONE MILLION DOLLARS!

Yes this proposal sounds crazy to some, and yes I'm just having fun with you over this, but please explain in your wisdom what makes my evil plan any different from yours, save by degree? And oh yes, also tell us EXACTLY WHO is to 'provide' all of this largess to the nonproductive people of the world.

This I gotta hear.
 
2012-11-15 11:21:20 PM  

ILoveBurritos: I get that this is mainly a workers vs employers thread at this point, but I can't help but think that the real problem is the consumers (and excessive consumerism). No one wants to pay for decently made products anymore because the only thing consumers look at is the price tag. I'm not good at explaining myself, but it feels like we all assume we've given up on even thinking we can rehabilitate the public on shopping effectively. Like consumers are compelled to shop at Walmart, just open one and people will flock there unable to control themselves.
On a tangent though, I've read that companies that want to sell with Walmart have to meet certain price guidelines otherwise Walmart won't carry their products and since Walmart is such an important chain to sell through. Companies are basically forced to make cheaper products for these dumbass consumers.
What this really all comes down to is that I hadn't had to buy denim jeans for a decade, and now that I'm looking, all I can find anywhere is paper thin garbage that doesn't feel sturdy at all, anywhere. When I compare it to my old ones, the newer ones are obviously inferior. Why would I want to spend $30 on a cheap pair of jeans I'll end up replacing 5 times in the span that a $60 pair would have lasted me once?


Walmart is a HUGE bully in the business world.

It's a terrible company. I'm very grateful I don't have to shop there. I know plenty of people who aren't so fortunate.

/so sick of buying cheap shiat only to have it break immediately.
//I. would. like. to. purchase. some. quality. goods. please.
///seriously, I'll pay whatever it takes, just, enough with the cheap shiat
////i hope Wal-mart workers fark UP Black Friday
//fark black friday anyways, watching citizens of one of the wealthiest nations in the world fight over cheap consumer goods is just embarrasing
 
2012-11-15 11:21:45 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: //any defeat for organized Labor is a victory for the American Economy.


why should only one side have the freedom to associate as they see fit for their own gain? Also unions had nothing to do with the troubles of the US steel and auto industries.
 
2012-11-15 11:21:50 PM  

loaba: 25k a year? That's like $12.00 an hour, man. So, like, how many wage-slaves does Wally world employ anyway? I mean, what'll it cost, man, what'll it cost?!


Call Hillary....she was on the board of directors for years. She helped push out the small business and get Walmart to be the wage slaves they are today.

Hope they walk out.
 
2012-11-15 11:22:00 PM  

IlGreven: Great Janitor: n short, Walmart workers, you knew what you were getting into when you filled out the job application.

And thus, Wal-Mart is absolved of absolutely all responsibility to you.

/If you're not saying that, don't imply it.


Yeah, I've always LOVED that line of "reasoning". It's the same thing you hear when you point out that waiters make $2.13/hour. Especially ironic coming from the same people who go on rampages against Obama about the unemployment rate, and how people have to take crappy jobs just to get by.
 
2012-11-15 11:22:03 PM  

Fade2black: I just explained why.


No, you didn't.
You just stated your opinion, and now you've followed up with a second one, an unfounded assumption, and an ad hominem attack.

I'll put it you again:

Is there some reason working for Wal-Mart need not be gainful employment besides your opinion of what counts as work?
 
2012-11-15 11:24:27 PM  

timujin: Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

Generally speaking, that is untrue. While working at Wal-mart is not a job that requires a particularly high skill level, the people who are skilled enough are also the people who like to be able to eat and who don't like to be told to do work that is in violation of labor laws. Now, I'm sure there are people that are willing to put up with that, but I believe Wal-mart will find the quality of those workers to be lacking.

Basically, you pay for what you get.

Which also happens to be true when you shop at Wal-mart.


Plenty of people work second jobs there during the holidays, so yeah there will be plenty of people willing to do their jobs without a problem at all.

Also, crooks and liars has a OWS section? Figures most of their articles are bullshiat, just like OWS and their goals, fark both of them this wont make a dent in their sales at all.
 
2012-11-15 11:25:00 PM  

megalynn44: /so sick of buying cheap shiat only to have it break immediately.


Funny thing is, it wouldn't really cost much if anything more to sell good merchandise. Owing to price creep, in many places and on many items the differential between what Wal-Mart sells and good stuff is not much if anything. Costco somehow manages to sell good stuff for cheap, yet Sam's Club doesn't. It's not the stuff, it's the people doing the selling that are the issue.
 
2012-11-15 11:25:07 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Telling Wal-Mart that they plan to strike in a week, on the busiest day of the year, is the smartest thing they can do. It gives Wal-Mart a chance to come to the table and give them what they want before shiat gets real, and follows the principles of good faith bargaining while making it clear that they have leverage.


It also gives WalMart a way to turn this in their favor. A lot of times, these are small stories, or never make it into the news. Doing it this way gives WalMart the opportunity to play this up in the media.

/Not that I have any faith in WalMart being smart enough to see this...
 
2012-11-15 11:25:54 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Silly Jesus: I hope they are all fired.

And then they could sue WalMart for pretty well anything they want. Oh and WalMart would also face federal lawsuits.


Sue for what? Forcing them to show up for the job they said they would show up for? Some of you are farking insane.
 
2012-11-15 11:26:37 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Fade2black: Have you heard of entry level jobs to get your skills in order, so you can actually take some initiative to move on to a better paying job through school, training, or perseverance? Not everything is handed out on a silver platter (yet, the dems have 4 more years). If that was the case, high school kids would be basking in riches from Mcdonald's.

Retail and Fast Food is tradionally entry level jobs. They are used for job experience and training so you can move on to bigger and better. They are not jobs built around you deciding you're entitled to a pension and a petty cash fund.

Is there some reason working for Wal-Mart need not be gainful employment besides your opinion of what counts as work?


If you want to do that, then you work your way up to management and you get more money.
 
2012-11-15 11:27:00 PM  

erveek: WhyteRaven74: Silly Jesus: I hope they are all fired.

And then they could sue WalMart for pretty well anything they want. Oh and WalMart would also face federal lawsuits.

And then it will wind its way through the courts until the plaintiffs run out of money in about 7 hours.


Nope, I would bet they'd find a way to make this a class action, by rolling it with other employment complaints. Those are quite often freebies, because the settlements are huge and the lawyers get paid directly from the settlement. Only problem is that they quite often take years to resolve... Hell, I got a check the other day from the Classmates.com settlement, and that was from around 2002 or so...
 
2012-11-15 11:27:14 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: I wonder what Labor's pitch to wal-mart's workers is?

"let us do for you, what we've done to the U.S. Auto and steel industries"

At least Wal-Mart got a free way to identify lazy, shiftless, braindead workers. They'll fire the dead wood, and the company will be better off.

//any defeat for organized Labor is a victory for the American Economy.


Are you sitting down for this because I don't want you to hurt yourself....German and Japanese autoworkers are both unionized. U.S. Auto struggling the last few decades was simply because they designed and tried to sell awful awful cars.
 
2012-11-15 11:27:32 PM  

Silly Jesus: Maybe it will shape up like the Hostess strike. Hostess told the workers that if they went on strike they would shutter the factories and fire them all. They went on strike...Hostess closed the factories...the workers went all WHARGARBLLL "yall took are jerbs!" It was beeeautiful.


Yeah, but Hostess was already affiliated with the baker's union.
 
2012-11-15 11:27:34 PM  
Welcome to Romney's America.
 
2012-11-15 11:28:02 PM  

Mikey1969: You don't understand how these things work, do you? You get the best results when you give the organization that you are protesting a chance to resolve the issue before D-Day. Also, it gets the word out, making it easier to get press coverage and find people familiar with the issue if the protest is carried out.


That's a good attitude for feel-good liberal reformism.
It's not a good attitude to take for an effective direct action though.
The powers that be don't respond when you ask nicely, at most you get an extra symbolic crumb. The best thing to do is act on your own and bypass their channels all together.
Kind of like the difference between a gathered circle of liberals kindly asking for change and getting pepper sprayed in the face for their kindness (UC Davis, I think?) , or instead having a group of people willing to throw back tear gas canisters and light fires to make sure people can breathe and play ball when the cops initiate violence, all the while causing economic damage to corporations who threatened to fire their employees if they made political statements (Oakland).
 
2012-11-15 11:28:47 PM  

Great Janitor: Sliding Carp: $5.00 says the party of small government, individual freedom, and free market will find a way to claim the government should force them back to work.

Why should they? Just fire the ones who walk out and replace them. Odds are they won't be missed.

Or, here's how I look at it, if I were working at Walmart, I would, first of all, know that like it or not, working Black Friday was going to happen. All things considered, I'd rather work at the start of the sale on Thanksgiving than on Friday because at least on Thursday I'd get holiday pay. Secondly, knowing the kind of customers and the numbers of customers that show on Black Friday, I'd be a bit pissed that my coworkers decided to skip out on a major day at work instead of doing the job that they were hired to do.

In short, Walmart workers, you knew what you were getting into when you filled out the job application. If you don't like the situation of having to work Black Friday, quit your job and find a different one.


I don't think the strike is because they don't want to work on Black Friday.
 
2012-11-15 11:29:16 PM  

WhyteRaven74: How about send WalMart a bill for all the food assistance and other assistance their employees get because they're not paid enough to make it without the assistance?


Nice... I like that one. You got your thinking cap on tonight!
 
2012-11-15 11:30:43 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: If you want to do that, then you work your way up to management and you get more money.


That's just like... your opinion... man.
Really, give me something besides your opinion that they don't deserve it.
It won't bankrupt Wal-Mart to pay every one of their employees a minimum of $12/hr. This is fact. I'll find the study if I have to, but I recall such a move would cost the average Wal-Mart consumer $1.12 per visit.
They're clearly making Wal-Mart more money than they're getting in return. The disparity is so great that the only credible explanations are greed and cruelty.
 
2012-11-15 11:31:47 PM  

steamingpile: Sue for what? Forcing them to show up for the job they said they would show up for? Some of you are farking insane.


it's illegal to fire employees for organizing or trying to organize. It's a federal law, and in some states there are additional laws. Laws go back to when Carnegie Steel called in the Pinkertons and had them get all shooty with some striking workers.
 
2012-11-15 11:33:01 PM  

ILoveBurritos: I get that this is mainly a workers vs employers thread at this point, but I can't help but think that the real problem is the consumers (and excessive consumerism). No one wants to pay for decently made products anymore because the only thing consumers look at is the price tag.


Keep in mind that WalMart ruthlessly stomps out all competition, including that corner hardware store that your parents shopped at, or the local grocery store. As a result, there is almost nothing BUT WalMart to choose from anymore, where else are the consumers supposed to go? Me, I prefer Target, but there are 6 WalMarts closer than Target, and it's a little irresponsible to drive across town, wasting gas, just to shop somewhere else.

Yes, you still have a point, and that consumer behavior is what put WalMart in the position they have now, but at this point, I think a large portion of the customers are people who just plain have no other retail options.
 
2012-11-15 11:33:17 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Fade2black: Not everybody needs an economics class to understand that if you jump up every single "no training required" job to "gainfully employed" that it would collapse the economy.

one of the things Richard Nixon wanted to introduce was a living wage law. Let that sink in for a while.


And he was also one of the most batshiat insane presidents we've ever had. Let that sink in for a while.
 
2012-11-15 11:33:21 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Nine bucks an hour is $12 bucks an hour after taxes.


Let's see, ... assuming $12/hour x 32 hours/week (gotta keep them from being "full time") you're at $384/week. 52 weeks/year, with no vacation, is $19,968. Subtract standard deduction ($11,600) and a single personal exemption ($3700) and you're at $4668.
Looking at page 74 of the Form 1040 instructions here: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040.pdf shows a total tax for single or MFS is $468. That's about 2.35%. Subtract out the medicare and social security (5.65%) and you have 9% in taxes. 91% of $12/hour is $10.92, take-home. Keep in mind, that's single, no dependents. First child, or if you're married, and you're starting to get EITC, which means you're GETTING more money. Of course, children are expensive, but if you were good at making life choices, you wouldn't be trying to raise a child as a single parent working at Walmart. Maybe you should have listened to your parents and teachers who told you to work hard in school. Now the only consolation you have is maybe your children will, but they probably won't, and thus renews the boundless cycle of perpetual poverty. My god, this is depressing shiat. I'm getting some rum. Good thing Walmart is nearby and open.
 
2012-11-15 11:34:04 PM  

randomjsa: Ah I see the union extortion and intimidation racket for Wal Mart's unwillingness to pay protection money continues.


The capitalist and statist extortion and intimidation racket to make most of the population slaves continues.
 
2012-11-15 11:34:04 PM  

Cross of Iron: Yeah, but Hostess was already affiliated with the baker's union.


And Hostess has had problems for years owing to some rather badly conceived acquisitions and mergers.
 
2012-11-15 11:34:12 PM  

WhyteRaven74: erveek: And then it will wind its way through the courts until the plaintiffs run out of money in about 7 hours.

there are plenty of lawyers who'd take the case on a contingency fee basis if not flat out pro bono. Also if the feds get involved, they'll stay involved until things get resolved.


...by the Roberts Supreme Court. Gee, I wonder how that will go.
 
2012-11-15 11:35:12 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Fade2black: Not everybody needs an economics class to understand that if you jump up every single "no training required" job to "gainfully employed" that it would collapse the economy.

one of the things Richard Nixon wanted to introduce was a living wage law. Let that sink in for a while.


Richard Nixon was quite the interesting guy. I always wondered where his historical standing would have been if Watergate never happened.
 
2012-11-15 11:35:22 PM  

John Buck 41: My job involves 4 good things.

1. I never work weekends.
2. I don't deal with dancing peasants, i.e., the public
3. My hours are the same every day.
4. Decent benefits

In other ways my job sucks moldy moosecock.


You forgot:
5. Did not at any time bite my sister.
 
2012-11-15 11:35:23 PM  

atomic-age: rolladuck: insertsnarkyusername: The can ask for a union and the company legally has to say yes.

The company can also legally shut down those stores. And re-open others in the next town where there is high unemployment of un- or marginally-skilled workers.

Unions aren't the be-all and end-all of employer-employee relationship management. And you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, ... at least metaphorically.

How do you suggest employees sweetly get WM to stop locking them in to work 'off the clock', pay them enough that how to apply for welfare directions are not part of the pre-employment package, and to promote female and minority employees fairly?


Locked in to work? I would kill over that.


/Yes, I expect to be the subject of a dark article one day.
 
2012-11-15 11:35:30 PM  

Mikey1969: IlGreven: Great Janitor: n short, Walmart workers, you knew what you were getting into when you filled out the job application.

And thus, Wal-Mart is absolved of absolutely all responsibility to you.

/If you're not saying that, don't imply it.

Yeah, I've always LOVED that line of "reasoning". It's the same thing you hear when you point out that waiters make $2.13/hour. Especially ironic coming from the same people who go on rampages against Obama about the unemployment rate, and how people have to take crappy jobs just to get by.


That line of reasoning is the absolute truth. It's common knowledge that waiters make less than $3/hour. No one takes a job not knowing what the pay is going to be until that first paycheck. So, if someone applies for a job and is told before hand that the job pays minimum wage and there is no guarantee at 40 hours each week, and they still accept the job, I don't feel sorry for them. No one put a gun to their head and told them to accept a job at Walmart. That is no different than me handing someone a hammer and saying "Now, if you bash your hand with this it could break your hand." and then watch as they bash their hand with said hammer and then listen as a bone or two breaks. No sympathy.

If they want a better paying job, a better working environment no one is forcing them to work at Walmart, they are free to find new jobs.
 
2012-11-15 11:35:51 PM  

rtaylor92: Hunter_Worthington: I wonder what Labor's pitch to wal-mart's workers is?

"let us do for you, what we've done to the U.S. Auto and steel industries"

At least Wal-Mart got a free way to identify lazy, shiftless, braindead workers. They'll fire the dead wood, and the company will be better off.

//any defeat for organized Labor is a victory for the American Economy.

Are you sitting down for this because I don't want you to hurt yourself....German and Japanese autoworkers are both unionized. U.S. Auto struggling the last few decades was simply because they designed and tried to sell awful awful cars.


Their unions are also much better than ours, quality of the cars aside. And it's not like they're getting paid peanuts either. American auto union average is 56/hr...foreign auto union is still up around 35-40/hr. But they also train multiple people to do multiple tasks, instead of having the door installer just do door installing for 30 years.
 
2012-11-15 11:37:00 PM  

erveek: ...by the Roberts Supreme Court. Gee, I wonder how that will go.


by the time the case ends up in the Supreme Court there could be a couple, at least, different justices there. Also as evident from his opinion in the Health Care Reform Act ruling, Roberts has much respect for existing precedent when it comes to labor law.
 
2012-11-15 11:37:42 PM  

rtaylor92: Are you sitting down for this because I don't want you to hurt yourself....German and Japanese autoworkers are both unionized. U.S. Auto struggling the last few decades was simply because they designed and tried to sell awful awful cars.


Germany and Japan also have socialized medicine, so the cost of employee health care (current and future) is not included in the price of their cars.
 
2012-11-15 11:38:02 PM  

ACallForPeace: Mikey1969: You don't understand how these things work, do you? You get the best results when you give the organization that you are protesting a chance to resolve the issue before D-Day. Also, it gets the word out, making it easier to get press coverage and find people familiar with the issue if the protest is carried out.

That's a good attitude for feel-good liberal reformism.
It's not a good attitude to take for an effective direct action though.
The powers that be don't respond when you ask nicely, at most you get an extra symbolic crumb. The best thing to do is act on your own and bypass their channels all together.
Kind of like the difference between a gathered circle of liberals kindly asking for change and getting pepper sprayed in the face for their kindness (UC Davis, I think?) , or instead having a group of people willing to throw back tear gas canisters and light fires to make sure people can breathe and play ball when the cops initiate violence, all the while causing economic damage to corporations who threatened to fire their employees if they made political statements (Oakland).


OK, as someone pointed out to another poster, you don't understand how unions work, do you? There is more warning and negotiation going on than there is actual striking. I figured that part out in High School.

And no it's not a "feel-good liberal" thing.
 
2012-11-15 11:38:45 PM  
What I've learned from this thread:

If you're an unskilled laborer, you deserve no protections from unsafe or unpleasant working conditions.
 
2012-11-15 11:39:56 PM  

Tellingthem: always wondered where his historical standing would have been if Watergate never happened.


Pretty high up most likely. Granted it doesn't help that almost as soon as he was out of office, the EPA and OSHA, which were created during his time in office and given some very serious teeth, found themselves being weakened, by members of Nixon's own party no less.

Fade2black: And he was also one of the most batshiat insane presidents we've ever had. Let that sink in for a while.


His paranoia was a personal thing, when it came to policy he was completely clear headed. And many times far more insightful than he's been given credit for.
 
2012-11-15 11:40:37 PM  

Great Janitor: If they want a better paying job, a better working environment no one is forcing them to work at Walmart, they are free to find new jobs.


And you're free to make sweet, sweet love to Christina Hendricks. However, that means getting her to cooperate, just like it means getting another employer to hire you.

Fact is, Wal-Mart runs the other businesses out when they put in a location. You either work there, or you don't work.
 
2012-11-15 11:41:05 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Fade2black: I just explained why.

No, you didn't.
You just stated your opinion, and now you've followed up with a second one, an unfounded assumption, and an ad hominem attack.

I'll put it you again:

Is there some reason working for Wal-Mart need not be gainful employment besides your opinion of what counts as work?


Especially since all of the definitions I see for "gainfully employed" just say that you are working for a wage. He needs a new catchphrase, because by definition, every person who works at WalMart is "gainfully employed".
 
2012-11-15 11:42:04 PM  
For the folks who are all fired up, let us consider something:

Do you support the idea of a Chamber of Commerce? Do you support industry organizations that allow those industries to represent their interests both to the public, as well as to legislators and other politicians? Allow management to confer with one another to build and share strategies that will make said industries run smoother and more efficiently? Even represent their interests in lawsuits to preserve those interests?

If you do, then congratulations, you've just defended the reasons that unions exist. So long as owners and management can confer and associate freely in industry organizations, then workers have the same right to organize themselves in a similar fashion, and even represent their interests to legislators and defend their members from what they see as onerous roadblocks, and even what they see as unfair practices and to defend their compensation.

So long as management has the right to organize and confer, and act upon those meetings and strategize, then labor has the same right.

If you think that NO ONE should associate as such, then congrats, you are likewise against the freedom of assembly, and you should take your Un-American ass out to Somalia or some backwater where they don't have rights guaranteed...
 
2012-11-15 11:42:34 PM  

ox45tallboy: so the cost of employee health care (current and future) is not included in the price of their cars.


Funny that having factories in the US hasn't caused the price of cars by Japanese or German companies to increase. It's almost as if the most important thing is how the companies are run, not where.
 
2012-11-15 11:43:03 PM  

ox45tallboy: Great Janitor: If they want a better paying job, a better working environment no one is forcing them to work at Walmart, they are free to find new jobs.

And you're free to make sweet, sweet love to Christina Hendricks. However, that means getting her to cooperate, just like it means getting another employer to hire you.

Fact is, Wal-Mart runs the other businesses out when they put in a location. You either work there, or you don't work.


Because in towns with Walmarts, there are no other employers at all???
 
2012-11-15 11:43:09 PM  
So, the "Occupy" folks come up with an idea to encourage WalMart workers to walk off the job on Black Friday with nothing more than a "don't worry, we've got your back..." And despite the fact this is something that originated from the "Occupy" folks, it is being billed as "WalMart workers are organizing..."

At the end of the day whom are the people that will end up getting screwed? It will not be WalMart, it certainly won't be the people behind the "Occupy" movement, it will be the poor WalMart employees that mistakenly believed that "Occupy" actually gave a damn about them as an person.

I will back off me criticism if "Occupy" comes up with the $25K per WalMart employee + insurance benefits for each WalMart employee that walks out on Black Friday, anything short of making good on this, and its just another example of "Occupy" being full of shiat.
 
2012-11-15 11:43:49 PM  

Silly Jesus: This can be seen from capitalist society, in which workers sell their freedom to a boss in order to live. In effect, under capitalism you are only free to the extent that you can choose whom you will obey! Freedom, ho ...


That image really does sum up your account in a nutshell.
 
2012-11-15 11:45:23 PM  

jpo2269: and its just another example of "Occupy" being full of shiat.


why not hold WalMart's feet to the flames for treating their employees the way they do? After all, if WalMart does it right, we're not even having this discussion.
 
2012-11-15 11:45:30 PM  

WhyteRaven74: steamingpile: Sue for what? Forcing them to show up for the job they said they would show up for? Some of you are farking insane.

it's illegal to fire employees for organizing or trying to organize. It's a federal law, and in some states there are additional laws. Laws go back to when Carnegie Steel called in the Pinkertons and had them get all shooty with some striking workers.


It just flabbergasts me that we're still having these fights today against the Titans of Consumerism (who have replaced Titans of Industry in this day and age). I have the sinking feeling that this may get every bit as ugly, though hopefully not as shooty/stabby/clubby.

My local Wal-Mart is one that's planning to walk out, and I'll be there with them.
 
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