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2012-11-15 10:05:27 PM  
In 2010, the Waltons' share [of wealth] equaled the entire bottom 41.5 percent of U.S. families.
Six people hold nearly 42 percent of the national wealth.
They are the Walton family.
 
2012-11-15 10:06:17 PM  
"I'll be all around in the dark - I'll be everywhere.
Wherever you can look - wherever there's a fight, so hungry people can eat, I'll be there.
Wherever there's a cop beatin' up a guy, I'll be there.
I'll be there in the way guys yell when they're mad.
I'll be there in the way kids laugh when they're hungry and they know supper's ready, and when people are eatin' the stuff they raise and livin' in the houses they built - I'll be there, too."
 
2012-11-15 10:07:21 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: In 2010, the Waltons' share [of wealth] equaled the entire bottom 41.5 percent of U.S. families.
Six people hold nearly 42 percent of the national wealth.
They are the Walton family.


Jealousy is a biatch.
 
2012-11-15 10:07:32 PM  

Silly Jesus: Lol. 0 skill jobs are still not worth $12 an hour no matter how much your heart bleeds.


QFT. Make yourself valuable, and you'll be treated as a valuable resource. Show you can solve problems at any level, despite the pressure, and you'll be treated as an invaluable resource. Make yourself indispensable at one task, and you'll never move out of that office for the rest of your life.
Or as Alton Brown likes to shout, "UNITASKER!"
 
2012-11-15 10:08:22 PM  

Silly Jesus: Lol. 0 skill jobs are still not worth $12 an hour no matter how much your heart bleeds.


Yes. You'll be there soon enough.
Enjoy the rapid devaluation of your accumulated life skills and experience and the near-instant decompression of your entire economic life.
Oh. Don't get sick or you'll get fired.
 
2012-11-15 10:10:02 PM  

Silly Jesus: HotIgneous Intruder: In 2010, the Waltons' share [of wealth] equaled the entire bottom 41.5 percent of U.S. families.
Six people hold nearly 42 percent of the national wealth.
They are the Walton family.

Jealousy is a biatch.


No. Karma kills.
Sun Tzu - "If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by."
See ya!
 
2012-11-15 10:10:17 PM  
Don't feed the troll.
 
2012-11-15 10:11:21 PM  
You know what kind of employee I want at my business? The kind that tries to hurt me on arguably the busiest day of the year. GTFO--and God help you if you put me down on your next application and they call me.
 
2012-11-15 10:11:42 PM  

Silly Jesus: Mikey1969: Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

It's hard to "love" a place that locks people in at night and refuses to pay them, let alone pay them needed overtime.

But hey, keep on being clueless, we need people like that here on Fark.

Are they not capable of calling 911? That's called false imprisonment and it's a pretty serious felony.


Not sure. They were told that they were being locked in because it was company policy that the doors were locked when the store was closed. Regardless, it is hard to "love" to have a job like that, which is what I was pointing out in your original statement. I've heard of plenty of people who worked there because they 'had' to, but never anyone that worked there because they "loved" to have the job.
 
2012-11-15 10:11:50 PM  
I wish we didn't even need to have these kinds arguments.

I think as a country a lot of us have forgotten that there is a difference between what's legally OK and what's morally right. This seems to be the root of a lot of or problems and disagreements, at least in my opinion it is.
 
2012-11-15 10:13:14 PM  

Silly Jesus: erveek: Silly Jesus: Mikey1969: Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

It's hard to "love" a place that locks people in at night and refuses to pay them, let alone pay them needed overtime.

But hey, keep on being clueless, we need people like that here on Fark.

Are they not capable of calling 911? That's called false imprisonment and it's a pretty serious felony.

LULZ! Enough money > justice!

So people are being falsely imprisoned and contacting the local police and the Walton's are flying in and paying them off so that they ignore the imprisoned people? What brand of tinfoil is your favorite?


WHY, THAT'S TOTALLY WHAT I SAID!

If you're going to argue with the pretend erveek you seem to have concocted from whole cloth, go right ahead. The real one will stick to mocking you instead.
 
2012-11-15 10:13:17 PM  

timujin: Silly Jesus: There's an endless supply of dimwits who need some extra walking around money for cigarettes and lottery tickets. I don't think that Wal-mart is at much risk of running out of a "qualified" applicant pool.

That's where you and I disagree, I think the supply is limited. Would you work there? I wouldn't. Have you ever met any dimwits that you wouldn't trust to know which end of a mop to use? I have. Once you eliminate those people, people who can't communicate, people who have other limiting factors such as a criminal record, you do have a finite available workforce. Now, there are obviously more people who would take the job than are currently employed by the company, but I still believe that those people, once they are employed, will reach the same level off discontent that the current employees have. Eventually you run out of people who are willing to take the shiatty job. Add to that the cost of on-boarding and training new employees and it can be less costly to meet the employees demands, or at least come to some sort of middle ground.

It's kind of like the people who pick vegetables going on strike. Sure, there are other people willing to take their jobs, but not many and once those people realize how difficult the work is and how shiatty the conditions are, they too get fed up and go on strike. Eventually the growers run out of available employees and are forced to make concessions.


well said
 
2012-11-15 10:13:32 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Silly Jesus: HotIgneous Intruder: In 2010, the Waltons' share [of wealth] equaled the entire bottom 41.5 percent of U.S. families.
Six people hold nearly 42 percent of the national wealth.
They are the Walton family.

Jealousy is a biatch.

No. Karma kills.
Sun Tzu - "If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by."
See ya!


Or you'll end up starving to death and falling in yourself. ...
 
2012-11-15 10:13:49 PM  
When you're a company that does everything short of eating your workers' children in front of them, I guess you'd better expect the eventual backlash to be massive.
 
2012-11-15 10:14:21 PM  

Mikey1969: Silly Jesus: Mikey1969: Silly Jesus: LULZ. I hope they are all fired. Plenty more people out there who would love their job.

It's hard to "love" a place that locks people in at night and refuses to pay them, let alone pay them needed overtime.

But hey, keep on being clueless, we need people like that here on Fark.

Are they not capable of calling 911? That's called false imprisonment and it's a pretty serious felony.

Not sure. They were told that they were being locked in because it was company policy that the doors were locked when the store was closed. Regardless, it is hard to "love" to have a job like that, which is what I was pointing out in your original statement. I've heard of plenty of people who worked there because they 'had' to, but never anyone that worked there because they "loved" to have the job.


Do you have a pointer to that case? Love to read up on it.
 
2012-11-15 10:14:31 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: I'm sure walmart is really struggling in this economy.
What's that you say? No way. Really?
Ok.
I'll just leave this here:
Bernie Sanders says Walmart heirs own more wealth than bottom 40 percent of Americans
Well, goodness, it's true.
snip:
No. 9: Jim Walton, $23.7 billion
No. 10: Alice Walton, $23.3 billion
No. 11: S. Robson Walton, oldest son of Sam Walton, $23.1 billion
No. 103: Ann Walton Kroenke, $3.9 billion
No. 139: Nancy Walton Laurie, $3.4 billion

That's a grand total of $102.7 billion for the whole family.

Sylvia Allegretto, a labor economist at the Center on Wage and Employment Dynamics at the University of California-Berkeley, compared the Waltons' cumulative net worth with that of the overall population, as cited in the Survey of Consumer Finances. (She used the Waltons' wealth from 2010, which was valued at $89.5 billion.)

Allegretto found that in 2007, the wealth held by the six Waltons was equal to that of the bottom 30.5 percent of families in the U.S. In 2010, the Waltons' share equaled the entire bottom 41.5 percent of families.

Walmart can afford raises for everyone.


Doesn't matter. You can cite things like this all day and assholes like this thread's merry band of trolls will still lick the Walton heir's taints. We're Amurricans - no one can be too rich and any amount of employee abuse is perfectly OK because, by golly, they chose the work there.

When I hear shiat like this it pisses me off so much I'm ready to to go heads-on spikes. The billionaires and their white knights right next to them.
 
2012-11-15 10:14:47 PM  
Thanks for the heads up, subby. I'll go on Sunday to make my offering to the Capitalist Temple.
 
2012-11-15 10:16:38 PM  

Shadowtag: When you're a company that does everything short of eating your workers' children in front of them, I guess you'd better expect the eventual backlash to be massive.


I hope it is, but the fund website shows they've only collected just above 4K.
 
2012-11-15 10:16:59 PM  
 
2012-11-15 10:17:29 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: In 2010, the Waltons' share [of wealth] equaled the entire bottom 41.5 percent of U.S. families.
Six people hold nearly 42 percent of the national wealth.
They are the Walton family.


cdn.inquisitr.com

Assholes.
 
2012-11-15 10:17:46 PM  
These godless socialist heathens are denying christians their god-given discount outlet merchandise to celebrate the birth of their saviour!
 
2012-11-15 10:18:00 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: HotIgneous Intruder: I'm sure walmart is really struggling in this economy.
What's that you say? No way. Really?
Ok.
I'll just leave this here:
Bernie Sanders says Walmart heirs own more wealth than bottom 40 percent of Americans
Well, goodness, it's true.
snip:
No. 9: Jim Walton, $23.7 billion
No. 10: Alice Walton, $23.3 billion
No. 11: S. Robson Walton, oldest son of Sam Walton, $23.1 billion
No. 103: Ann Walton Kroenke, $3.9 billion
No. 139: Nancy Walton Laurie, $3.4 billion

That's a grand total of $102.7 billion for the whole family.

Sylvia Allegretto, a labor economist at the Center on Wage and Employment Dynamics at the University of California-Berkeley, compared the Waltons' cumulative net worth with that of the overall population, as cited in the Survey of Consumer Finances. (She used the Waltons' wealth from 2010, which was valued at $89.5 billion.)

Allegretto found that in 2007, the wealth held by the six Waltons was equal to that of the bottom 30.5 percent of families in the U.S. In 2010, the Waltons' share equaled the entire bottom 41.5 percent of families.

Walmart can afford raises for everyone.

Doesn't matter. You can cite things like this all day and assholes like this thread's merry band of trolls will still lick the Walton heir's taints. We're Amurricans - no one can be too rich and any amount of employee abuse is perfectly OK because, by golly, they chose the work there.

When I hear shiat like this it pisses me off so much I'm ready to to go heads-on spikes. The billionaires and their white knights right next to them.


Them's revolution words.
 
2012-11-15 10:18:32 PM  

Gotfire: Walmart Strippers -NSFW


Well, that was certainly a twist. Kudos.
 
2012-11-15 10:20:23 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Doesn't matter. You can cite things like this all day and assholes like this thread's merry band of trolls will still lick the Walton heir's taints. We're Amurricans - no one can be too rich and any amount of employee abuse is perfectly OK because, by golly, they chose the work there.


They'll also be the first to complain when, should everyone choose not to work there, that they're just lazy.
There is literally no course of action, short of being born rich, that you're allowed to take to success.
 
2012-11-15 10:20:57 PM  

Silly Jesus: HotIgneous Intruder: Silly Jesus: HotIgneous Intruder: I'm sure walmart is really struggling in this economy.
What's that you say? No way. Really?
Ok.
I'll just leave this here:
Bernie Sanders says Walmart heirs own more wealth than bottom 40 percent of Americans
Well, goodness, it's true.
snip:
No. 9: Jim Walton, $23.7 billion
No. 10: Alice Walton, $23.3 billion
No. 11: S. Robson Walton, oldest son of Sam Walton, $23.1 billion
No. 103: Ann Walton Kroenke, $3.9 billion
No. 139: Nancy Walton Laurie, $3.4 billion

That's a grand total of $102.7 billion for the whole family.

Sylvia Allegretto, a labor economist at the Center on Wage and Employment Dynamics at the University of California-Berkeley, compared the Waltons' cumulative net worth with that of the overall population, as cited in the Survey of Consumer Finances. (She used the Waltons' wealth from 2010, which was valued at $89.5 billion.)

Allegretto found that in 2007, the wealth held by the six Waltons was equal to that of the bottom 30.5 percent of families in the U.S. In 2010, the Waltons' share equaled the entire bottom 41.5 percent of families.

Walmart can afford raises for everyone.

The CEO of my company has oodles of money. Do I deserve more of it just because he has lots of it?

That's some pretty derpy reasoning there, Lou.

No.
Actually, that proves that they aren't hurting for money and they can afford to pay the employees who made them filthy rich better than subsistence wages, plus provide health insurance.
There's no excuse for such insanely wealthy people not to have a social conscience.

You obviously missed the magnitude of those figures and have no functional understanding of economics, troll.

No, derpy-doo. Standing in a doorway and saying hello to everyone is in no way deserving of $12 / hour + benefits. No matter how much the boss makes.


You'be never had a job in retail. Now ask me how I know. I ducking dare you
 
2012-11-15 10:21:28 PM  

Gotfire: Walmart Strippers -NSFW


2 things:

1. ...weirdest boner...
2. How the hell did you find that? My google-fu is strong, but I would have never thought to look for that. I can't even see myself tripping over it accidentally.
 
2012-11-15 10:21:41 PM  
Remember when $250,000/yr was hardly any money at all, certainly not enough to be considered "rich"?

Now, apparently, $25,000/yr is living pretty high on the hog!
 
2012-11-15 10:22:42 PM  

Silly Jesus: HotIgneous Intruder: In 2010, the Waltons' share [of wealth] equaled the entire bottom 41.5 percent of U.S. families.
Six people hold nearly 42 percent of the national wealth.
They are the Walton family.

Jealousy is a biatch.


U trollin?
 
2012-11-15 10:23:38 PM  

Pistoffradish: Remember when $250,000/yr was hardly any money at all, certainly not enough to be considered "rich"?

Now, apparently, $25,000/yr is living pretty high on the hog!


They've got refrigerators and everything.
 
2012-11-15 10:23:46 PM  

Pistoffradish: Remember when $250,000/yr was hardly any money at all, certainly not enough to be considered "rich"?

Now, apparently, $25,000/yr is living pretty high on the hog!


Yeah!!! They gotta go get all uppity. Look, they have refrigerators! What ungrateful bastards!
 
2012-11-15 10:24:19 PM  

atomic-age: How do you suggest employees sweetly get WM to stop locking them in to work 'off the clock'


Simple. If anyone EVER did that to me it'd be a call to 911 to report that I was being unlawfully imprisoned. And when the cops showed up I'd be standing on the other side of those glass doors with a sledgehammer and I'd tell them that either they get me out of there or I will.
 
2012-11-15 10:24:22 PM  

born_yesterday: Pistoffradish: Remember when $250,000/yr was hardly any money at all, certainly not enough to be considered "rich"?

Now, apparently, $25,000/yr is living pretty high on the hog!

They've got refrigerators and everything.


Jinks!
 
2012-11-15 10:24:26 PM  

Gotfire: Walmart Strippers -NSFW


best 2 minutes of my days, thanks
 
2012-11-15 10:26:09 PM  
Seeing as I wasn't going to go to Walmart on black Friday then I'll have no problem supporting this.
 
2012-11-15 10:26:29 PM  

sethen320: I wish we didn't even need to have these kinds arguments.

I think as a country a lot of us have forgotten that there is a difference between what's legally OK and what's morally right. This seems to be the root of a lot of or problems and disagreements, at least in my opinion it is.


You're spot on.
It began when presidential candidate George Bush I walked off the interview with Dan Rather because Rather dared ask his majesty about Iran-Contra. Right then and there, I realized we were dealing with people who would didn't give a shiat about doing the right thing and that they obviously thought the rules didn't apply to them. They may have been (barely) limited by laws, but anything not explicitly prohibited by law was possible, no matter what the moral implications of right or wrong. Bush One just continued the Reagan shenanigans except badly and suffered the crashing economy that was the Gipper legacy. Clinton rode the dot-com bubble to fame, then up stepped Junior, even more amoral than his daddy. eight years of his psychodrama nearly wrecked the nation, leaving it more divided and weakened than ever before, with wages depressed and economic equality at record disparity. Along the way, we became a nation of grifters and takers arguing with those still possessing a shred of social conscience while we all became poorer. The poorer we became, the more frightened we became and the more the polarized sides lashed out at each other. A meteor strike would be a gift.
 
2012-11-15 10:26:49 PM  

RedVentrue: Thanks for the heads up, subby. I'll go on Sunday to make my offering to the Capitalist Temple.


The demand side needs to speak loudly here. So stay the duck away from there
 
2012-11-15 10:27:30 PM  

sethen320: born_yesterday: Pistoffradish: Remember when $250,000/yr was hardly any money at all, certainly not enough to be considered "rich"?

Now, apparently, $25,000/yr is living pretty high on the hog!

They've got refrigerators and everything.

Jinks!


Dammit! I shoulda gone with lobster!
 
2012-11-15 10:28:29 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: I'm sure they would be happy to allow a co-worker to not be a part of their union if they chose.


many states require all union contracts to allow opt-out.

i know i could decide to do so, but then i would not be entitled to union representation if there were a dispute, and i would have no say in union leadership because i would not be a member.

but i can fill out a little slip of paper and do so if i wanted to.

but even the woman who listens to el rushbo every day does not fill out the slip. because the union is worth it
 
2012-11-15 10:28:38 PM  

Great Janitor: Sliding Carp: $5.00 says the party of small government, individual freedom, and free market will find a way to claim the government should force them back to work.

Why should they? Just fire the ones who walk out and replace them. Odds are they won't be missed.

Or, here's how I look at it, if I were working at Walmart, I would, first of all, know that like it or not, working Black Friday was going to happen. All things considered, I'd rather work at the start of the sale on Thanksgiving than on Friday because at least on Thursday I'd get holiday pay. Secondly, knowing the kind of customers and the numbers of customers that show on Black Friday, I'd be a bit pissed that my coworkers decided to skip out on a major day at work instead of doing the job that they were hired to do.

In short, Walmart workers, you knew what you were getting into when you filled out the job application. If you don't like the situation of having to work Black Friday, quit your job and find a different one.


It's a toss-up. It's hard for me to say, because I don't know exactly the pitch Walmart gives the poor & desperate who fill out applications for their crappy jobs; otoh, I've been in a position where I would have taken ANYTHING just to have an income (almost--never big-box retail). So on the one hand, you can say yes, they knew what they were getting into: A crappy job with crappy pay and almost zero benefits where they could fire you for no reason and unionizing was tantamount to murder or worse.

However, in today's economy, you can't just "quit and find a different job" because there aren't really any other jobs out there, and employers know it. They can screw employees with impunity, knowing their workers have zero recourse and zero options. Low pay? No benefits? Bad hours? "Go find another job--Oh, wait, YOU CAN'T! HAHAHAHAHA!" The employer goes off to twirl his mustache and tie another blonde to the train tracks, and the employee can only seethe in fury and hope he still has 38 hours a week next week.

So I do understand the employees' frustration here, and their only hope of getting any attention is to try to strike on the busiest day of the year and hope somebody--anybody--notices. It probably won't help. There are plenty of other desperate people who need crappy jobs at low pay and no benefits who will fill the empty spaces. But what other options do they have?
 
2012-11-15 10:30:04 PM  
I actually do work there. I work 6PM - 3AM guarding pallets apparently.

As far as the walkout goes I never heard any co-worker even consider it. They did make management read some canned home office lingo message about a month ago pertaining to this though. Just contained the usual BS like we love you but we've heard rumors......blah blah blah

There will be no significance come from this. Like has been said people are perfectly aware of Walmart would do with people that walk out and people that are working there are mostly hard up for money and need a job. Now if they REALLLY wanted to make Walmart start shaking in their boots they would start dropping the bit "U" word. That'd put suits on a plane faster than anything.
 
2012-11-15 10:31:53 PM  

CujoQuarrel: HotIgneous Intruder: Silly Jesus: HotIgneous Intruder: In 2010, the Waltons' share [of wealth] equaled the entire bottom 41.5 percent of U.S. families.
Six people hold nearly 42 percent of the national wealth.
They are the Walton family.

Jealousy is a biatch.

No. Karma kills.
Sun Tzu - "If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by."
See ya!

Or you'll end up starving to death and falling in yourself. ...


Nope. Waiting works. It really does.
I've done it without knowing it.
Sun Tzu was a genius.
 
2012-11-15 10:32:59 PM  

MFAWG: RedVentrue: Thanks for the heads up, subby. I'll go on Sunday to make my offering to the Capitalist Temple.

The demand side needs to speak loudly here. So stay the duck away from there


Frankly, I cannot understand the mindset of anyone that would spend Thanksgiving shopping. It's my favorite holiday of the year. Go to a friend's house, big ol' meal, football, beer, more food, nap, more food. Being thankful for having plenty, and appreciating it with friends. I love it.

I did Black Friday once, and got some great deals, but not great enough to deal with that madness again. But...not even taking a day to give thanks? That's farked up.
 
2012-11-15 10:34:43 PM  

CujoQuarrel: Do you have a pointer to that case? Love to read up on it.


Here's a quick story I found...
Link
 
2012-11-15 10:34:47 PM  
1.- Silly Jesus is a weak attempt of a troll, and you're all feeding him and we're so close to past midnight.

2.- I would love nothing but to see Walmart fall

3.- Then again, I like a little chaos, so that's that
 
2012-11-15 10:34:52 PM  

Gotfire: Walmart Strippers -NSFW


img837.imageshack.us

I truly like how the site reminds me that Adblock is ruining their site revenue while they serve up copyrighted pictures of "The Women of Walmart" from Playboy without permission. The "unregistered" tag for the animated gif software is an added bonus.

That takes some balls.
 
2012-11-15 10:35:12 PM  
Get a job.

What if you worked in the spirit of "What If..."


You wouldn't hear "no" very often. You'd hear "Try it and see." And you'd end up with far more than you set out to. When you work at Walmart, you join incredible professionals doing the never-before-seen to save people money so they can live better. It's all part of our unique career experience, and of how - across industries and the globe - we're Making Better Possible.
 
2012-11-15 10:35:22 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-15 10:36:01 PM  
Wal-Mart was the biggest client of a law firm I used to work for.

The firm defends Wal-Mart against its employees.

This was one of the reasons I stopped enjoying my work there.

I look forward to the outcome of this, even though I'm sure it just means more money in the coffers of the Death Star (nickname of former firm).
 
2012-11-15 10:36:22 PM  
SuperDuper28


I actually do work there. I work 6PM - 3AM guarding pallets apparently.



I think I've seen some of your photography.
 
2012-11-15 10:36:45 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: fanbladesaresharp: I don't mean to be a dick but that's not worthy of $25k a year AND benefits.

And why not?
Is there some reason working for Wal-Mart need not be gainful employment besides your opinion of what counts as work?


I'll pay you $9 an hour. Take it or leave it. It doesn't require a degree in engineering to run a farking cash register.
 
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