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(Crooks & Liars)   Wal-mart workers are planning the company's first ever walk-out. On Black Friday   (occupyamerica.crooksandliars.com) divider line 709
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2012-11-15 09:18:32 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Shadow Blasko: [Although apparently you can have until 8 if you blow your department manager... at least at one store]

Nice friends you have there.


What makes you think the friend is the department manager?

The hell is wrong with you.
 
2012-11-15 09:19:22 PM  
good. american labor dead in the water until the take down of big-box schmucks like wally world

I won't shop there anyway but those people deserve better than the crumbs from arkansas.
 
2012-11-15 09:19:52 PM  

real_headhoncho: Hmmm... I wonder if I should apply for a job at Wal Mart.


FTA: Pay a minimum of $25,000/year

11-12 bucks an hour for stocking shelves and counting change. I don't mean to be a dick but that's not worthy of $25k a year AND benefits. I know people taking those jobs that have college degrees. Stay around a couple years and then you can have that.

That said, apply at Costco. They pay much better than that. But you might be waiting a while for an interview.
 
2012-11-15 09:20:12 PM  

Nick Nostril: timujin: Silly Jesus: There's an endless supply of dimwits who need some extra walking around money for cigarettes and lottery tickets. I don't think that Wal-mart is at much risk of running out of a "qualified" applicant pool.

That's where you and I disagree, I think the supply is limited. Would you work there? I wouldn't. Have you ever met any dimwits that you wouldn't trust to know which end of a mop to use? I have. Once you eliminate those people, people who can't communicate, people who have other limiting factors such as a criminal record, you do have a finite available workforce. Now, there are obviously more people who would take the job than are currently employed by the company, but I still believe that those people, once they are employed, will reach the same level off discontent that the current employees have. Eventually you run out of people who are willing to take the shiatty job. Add to that the cost of on-boarding and training new employees and it can be less costly to meet the employees demands, or at least come to some sort of middle ground.

It's kind of like the people who pick vegetables going on strike. Sure, there are other people willing to take their jobs, but not many and once those people realize how difficult the work is and how shiatty the conditions are, they too get fed up and go on strike. Eventually the growers run out of available employees and are forced to make concessions.

At this level of employment, if Wally World runs piss tests, and I'm sure they do, I'm surprised they aren't forced to staff the store with robots due to lack of qualified applicants.

/there's only so many octegenarians left to fill these spots


I would have to be too stoned to move to be able to stand to be in a Wal Mart, much less interact with the shoppers.
 
2012-11-15 09:20:34 PM  
I am not generally "pro-union" but it seems there are a ton of abuses there that are illegal, I hope this can get Wal-Mart to follow the law.
 
2012-11-15 09:21:04 PM  
"I have a few friends who work for Wally World, and they were all notified on Monday that they have to be in Next Thursday no later than 5PM.

[Although apparently you can have until 8 if you blow your department manager... at least at one store]"


What an outrage! A good blowjob should be worth 4 hours of work, not three! Stand up for equal pay for women and gays! I would love to see a striker with this issue on a sign.
 
2012-11-15 09:21:21 PM  
As a Wal-Mart employee through my college years, I say, PLEASE DO IT. The hilarity would be epic, and it would be nice to see these workers grow a spine. Many of the ones in the store I worked at literally feared their managers, who were complete idiots blessed only with an ability to fly into a rage over no reason.
 
2012-11-15 09:22:24 PM  
I worked at Walmart while in college. Granted, a lot of my coworkers struggled with basic language arts, let alone what a second grader would consider kiddie math. I can honestly say that Walmart pays its employees just enough to shop at Walmart. Even if you make "manager", they're always p****ed off because they are moved around so much between stores that they are more worried about meeting corporate numbers than developing their subordinates.

Genius business plan; but has to fail at some point. Maybe this is that point?
 
2012-11-15 09:22:27 PM  

mbillips: Errbody knows this is just a few Wal-Marts in California, right? The rest of the country's obese dunderheads can riot over discounted Christmas toys to their heart's content.


I stand corrected; that was the first "strike" (actually a brief walkout). They're claiming more than 1,000 protests of various types around the country.

This is fairly smart on the union's part. Wal-Mart is absolutely crazed about avoiding union organizing, and they are leaving themselves open to vast expense and potential liability under fair-labor laws because of their allegedly illegal tactics.

The union isn't forcing a flat-out strike that they would lose, because Wal-Mart has no union contract and can just hire replacements, But by constantly trolling Wal-Mart with small actions, the union can put pressure on them, and recruit enough workers to successfully unionize stores. Wal-Mart knows it's way more expensive to recruit and hire a new worker than to put up with one who takes the occasional "strike" day off.

Considering Wal-Mart is owned by a clan of over-entitled billionaires whose great achievement in life was being born the kids and grandkids of Sam Walton, I say screw 'em. I hope they drive themselves bankrupt trying to avoid treating their workers as well as other big retail chains do.
 
2012-11-15 09:22:51 PM  
Good luck to them, although huge corporations like this generally don't give a rats ass about the workers, they just care about the bottom line. But i do wish them well. They should really unionize and actually have some bargaining power.
 
2012-11-15 09:23:29 PM  
Does this mean there will be double the trampling at other big box stores?
 
2012-11-15 09:23:39 PM  

Sliding Carp: $5.00 says the party of small government, individual freedom, and free market will find a way to claim the government should force them back to work.


Unemployment is still high enough they can be replaced. Sucks, but true, especially since it doesn't look like this is a nationwide-coordinated effort. If they could get all the workers in all the stores to strike on the same day it would be very effective.
 
2012-11-15 09:23:57 PM  
F*ck Wally World.
 
2012-11-15 09:24:03 PM  
Doing it wrong! You're not supposed to say you're doing it. You just don't show up!
 
2012-11-15 09:24:18 PM  
Good for them. I already don't shop there, but if I can support these folks in any other way, I'll try to.
 
2012-11-15 09:24:28 PM  
Walmart isn't a store; it's an alternate dimension.

Think about it. Every Walmart you've ever been in, from Lickcock Idaho to Bahrain, has the same people. I don't mean they look the same, I mean they *are* the same.
The doors you pass through are a gateway to this dimension.

Think about it. You know I'm right.
 
2012-11-15 09:24:34 PM  
This should be beautiful.
 
2012-11-15 09:25:15 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Good luck to them, although huge corporations like this generally don't give a rats ass about the workers, they just care about the bottom line. But i do wish them well. They should really unionize and actually have some bargaining power.


Wal-Mart has actively engaged in union-busting for years. They're trying to break the will and the backs of labor to bring them on wage parity with China.
 
2012-11-15 09:25:27 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: The can ask for a union and the company legally has to say yes.


And then the union can violate one of the things that they are demanding from the company.

Demand FTA: guaranteeing the fundamental human right of freedom of association for all of its associates

I'm sure they would be happy to allow a co-worker to not be a part of their union if they chose.

/suuuure they would
 
2012-11-15 09:25:41 PM  

Lsherm: Sliding Carp: $5.00 says the party of small government, individual freedom, and free market will find a way to claim the government should force them back to work.

Unemployment is still high enough they can be replaced. Sucks, but true, especially since it doesn't look like this is a nationwide-coordinated effort. If they could get all the workers in all the stores to strike on the same day it would be very effective.


And to follow up on that, the strike that started in October is currently being waged by a whopping 88 employees nationwide. Somehow, I think Wal-Mart can work around that.
 
2012-11-15 09:25:56 PM  
Maybe it will shape up like the Hostess strike. Hostess told the workers that if they went on strike they would shutter the factories and fire them all. They went on strike...Hostess closed the factories...the workers went all WHARGARBLLL "yall took are jerbs!" It was beeeautiful.
 
2012-11-15 09:26:15 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: I don't mean to be a dick but that's not worthy of $25k a year AND benefits.


And why not?
Is there some reason working for Wal-Mart need not be gainful employment besides your opinion of what counts as work?
 
2012-11-15 09:26:33 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I will gladly boycott Wal-Mart on Black Friday.

/just as I do on the other 364 days of the year


Agreed. I avoid SocialistMart unless absolutely necessary.
 
2012-11-15 09:27:14 PM  
I seem to recall some incidents of near riots at Wal*Marts on "black Friday" in recent years. This could get really messy when all those people show up and get turned away because of the strike. Not that it matters to me, because I think Wal*Mart sucks.
 
2012-11-15 09:27:21 PM  

pxlboy: Bit'O'Gristle: Good luck to them, although huge corporations like this generally don't give a rats ass about the workers, they just care about the bottom line. But i do wish them well. They should really unionize and actually have some bargaining power.

Wal-Mart has actively engaged in union-busting for years. They're trying to break the will and the backs of labor to bring them on wage parity with China.


But not Target or Apple, right? Because we like them.
 
2012-11-15 09:27:21 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: //good question. They become lobbyists. See teachers, you're not at the bottom of the food chain after all.


Plenty of room down there with you and the rest of the government-check cashing parasites, Hunter!
You get a check, you know you do.
 
2012-11-15 09:27:27 PM  
Seeing as how Fark generally is 'liberal' I find it odd that there are so many many posts trashing WalMart workers potentially going on strike.
 
2012-11-15 09:27:37 PM  

WhippingBoy: Walmart isn't a store; it's an alternate dimension.

Think about it. Every Walmart you've ever been in, from Lickcock Idaho to Bahrain, has the same people. I don't mean they look the same, I mean they *are* the same.
The doors you pass through are a gateway to this dimension.

Think about it. You know I'm right.


Maybe it's where dangerous criminals get TimeLooped, much like how Aornis Hades was left to spend the same eight minutes over and over in line at a T.J. Maxx.
 
2012-11-15 09:28:33 PM  

Silly Jesus: Maybe it will shape up like the Hostess strike. Hostess told the workers that if they went on strike they would shutter the factories and fire them all. They went on strike...Hostess closed the factories...the workers went all WHARGARBLLL "yall took are jerbs!" It was beeeautiful.


And hilarious!
 
2012-11-15 09:28:37 PM  

Silly Jesus: Maybe it will shape up like the Hostess strike. Hostess told the workers that if they went on strike they would shutter the factories and fire them all. They went on strike...Hostess closed the factories...the workers went all WHARGARBLLL "yall took are jerbs!" It was beeeautiful.


I am looking forward to Hostess going out of business. Good. One less crappy company making terrible products and screwing their employees. It's the free market; someone else will pop up and maybe do things right the next time.
 
2012-11-15 09:28:48 PM  
I'm not a fan of the unions, but this... this is totally doing it right.
 
2012-11-15 09:29:53 PM  
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2012-11-15 09:30:11 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: The can ask for a union and the company legally has to say yes.


The company can also legally shut down those stores. And re-open others in the next town where there is high unemployment of un- or marginally-skilled workers.

Unions aren't the be-all and end-all of employer-employee relationship management. And you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, ... at least metaphorically.
 
2012-11-15 09:30:13 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: I wonder what Labor's pitch to wal-mart's workers is?

"let us do for you, what we've done to the U.S. Auto and steel industries"

At least Wal-Mart got a free way to identify lazy, shiftless, braindead workers. They'll fire the dead wood, and the company will be better off.

//any defeat for organized Labor is a victory for the American Economy.


Manufacturing and retail are different. You can't simply move all your stores to a country with lax labor laws to save money like you can with factories.
You can simply fire everyone and hire scabs, but that's only a temporary solution because eventually you run out of people willing to do shiatty work for low pay who are also qualified.
 
2012-11-15 09:30:39 PM  

mbillips: mbillips: Errbody knows this is just a few Wal-Marts in California, right? The rest of the country's obese dunderheads can riot over discounted Christmas toys to their heart's content.

I stand corrected; that was the first "strike" (actually a brief walkout). They're claiming more than 1,000 protests of various types around the country.

This is fairly smart on the union's part. Wal-Mart is absolutely crazed about avoiding union organizing, and they are leaving themselves open to vast expense and potential liability under fair-labor laws because of their allegedly illegal tactics.

The union isn't forcing a flat-out strike that they would lose, because Wal-Mart has no union contract and can just hire replacements, But by constantly trolling Wal-Mart with small actions, the union can put pressure on them, and recruit enough workers to successfully unionize stores. Wal-Mart knows it's way more expensive to recruit and hire a new worker than to put up with one who takes the occasional "strike" day off.

Considering Wal-Mart is owned by a clan of over-entitled billionaires whose great achievement in life was being born the kids and grandkids of Sam Walton, I say screw 'em. I hope they drive themselves bankrupt trying to avoid treating their workers as well as other big retail chains do.


If they fire the workers who do this and never hire them back (which is what they will do) how do you continually put pressure on them? Eventually you run out of semi-strikers.
 
2012-11-15 09:32:52 PM  

liam76: I am not generally "pro-union" but it seems there are a ton of abuses there that are illegal, I hope this can get Wal-Mart to follow the law.


Laws are for poors.
 
2012-11-15 09:32:53 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Is there some reason working for Wal-Mart need not be gainful employment besides your opinion of what counts as work?


If he's responsible for the paychecks going out... yes. But not in any other situation.
 
2012-11-15 09:33:25 PM  
How do you assholes want it? You biatch and moan about a lot of these same people being on welfare, then you want to put them down for standing up for themselves and demanding livable wages. Oooh, please someone save the multi-billion dollar corporation! They shouldn't have to pay their employees anymore because they are worthless pieces of shiat that knew what they were getting into. Give me a farking break.
 
2012-11-15 09:33:33 PM  

rolladuck: insertsnarkyusername: The can ask for a union and the company legally has to say yes.

The company can also legally shut down those stores. And re-open others in the next town where there is high unemployment of un- or marginally-skilled workers.

Unions aren't the be-all and end-all of employer-employee relationship management. And you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, ... at least metaphorically.


How do you suggest employees sweetly get WM to stop locking them in to work 'off the clock', pay them enough that how to apply for welfare directions are not part of the pre-employment package, and to promote female and minority employees fairly?
 
2012-11-15 09:34:24 PM  

Smelly McUgly: Silly Jesus: Maybe it will shape up like the Hostess strike. Hostess told the workers that if they went on strike they would shutter the factories and fire them all. They went on strike...Hostess closed the factories...the workers went all WHARGARBLLL "yall took are jerbs!" It was beeeautiful.

I am looking forward to Hostess going out of business. Good. One less crappy company making terrible products and screwing their employees. It's the free market; someone else will pop up and maybe do things right the next time.


They won't go out of business.
 
2012-11-15 09:34:25 PM  

jaytkay: I fully support the right of Walmart workers to decent wages, benefits and working conditions.

Except I have never set foot in their crummy stores and hope I never will.

/ True story
// Not sure what it means, feel free to explain


I walked into one once. I discovered they didn't sell beer. I walked out. Haven't been back since.
 
2012-11-15 09:35:11 PM  

Ehcks: Doing it wrong! You're not supposed to say you're doing it. You just don't show up!


You show up, then leave Hilarity ensues

Way more hilarity than a sick out
 
2012-11-15 09:36:20 PM  

Howlin Mad Murphy: How do you assholes want it? You biatch and moan about a lot of these same people being on welfare, then you want to put them down for standing up for themselves and demanding livable wages. Oooh, please someone save the multi-billion dollar corporation! They shouldn't have to pay their employees anymore because they are worthless pieces of shiat that knew what they were getting into. Give me a farking break.


This.
 
2012-11-15 09:36:42 PM  
My job involves 4 good things.

1. I never work weekends.
2. I don't deal with dancing peasants, i.e., the public
3. My hours are the same every day.
4. Decent benefits

In other ways my job sucks moldy moosecock.
 
2012-11-15 09:36:55 PM  

Nonesuch: Good luck... you're going to need it.

/Follow up article next week about these employees getting fired....


This is about the only time of year they can pull this off hopefully without getting fired, at least until after the new year. Big box retailers need at least SOME trained employees to keep the temps in line or it will be five times as much chaos as you see on the news every year. I started at a Circuit City in mid October, so I had time to learn the company ropes (on top of five years previous experience selling the same kind of stuff), but they were still hiring temps up til a week or two before Christmas and most of them had no idea what they were doing.

The biggest differences between WM and CC at that point were product lines (so mostly higher class customers at CC) and that they paid the employees enough more that they wouldn't have come nearly that close to a walkout. The 16 hour forced schedule on Black Friday however, was enough to make me hate the place forever.
 
2012-11-15 09:36:56 PM  

El Dudereno:
You can simply fire everyone and hire scabs, but that's only a temporary solution because eventually you run out of people willing to do shiatty work for low pay who are also qualified.


Dunno. Have you seen how many people apply when a new Wallyworld opens? I think they can keep firing everyone and replacing them for quite some time.
 
2012-11-15 09:37:17 PM  

Howlin Mad Murphy: How do you assholes want it? You biatch and moan about a lot of these same people being on welfare, then you want to put them down for standing up for themselves and demanding livable wages. Oooh, please someone save the multi-billion dollar corporation! They shouldn't have to pay their employees anymore because they are worthless pieces of shiat that knew what they were getting into. Give me a farking break.


It's a sickness. They feel subservient and unappreciated in their own lives, probably with good reason. So they search desperately to identify with the "oppressor" in situations like this, hoping that it will result in a class of people even more oppressed and broken than they are. Compassion is a gift that not everyone receives.
 
2012-11-15 09:37:37 PM  
I hope they do unionize. After a year or so of paying extortionate union dues for nothing will teach them that unionizing is a bad idea.
 
2012-11-15 09:37:44 PM  

Silly Jesus: Maybe it will shape up like the Hostess strike. Hostess told the workers that if they went on strike they would shutter the factories and fire them all. They went on strike...Hostess closed the factories...the workers went all WHARGARBLLL "yall took are jerbs!" It was beeeautiful.


Wal-Mart hasn't filed for bankruptcy
 
2012-11-15 09:38:43 PM  
Just a stunt by the occupy crowd. Most Wal Marts are open 24 - 7 so black Friday is irrelevant
 
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