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(BBC)   He donates 90% of his salary to charity; his most valuable possession is a 1987 VW Beetle. He is...the most interesting President in the world   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 32
    More: Interesting, VW Beetle, Edward Mujica, Montevideo, Cuban Revolution, developed country  
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2012-11-15 10:26:13 PM  
16 votes:
Socialism, capitalism, and a couple of other isms being touted, fought over and stapled to various nation states are not absolutes. They are not all in one, One True Ways™. They are useful components of something that, when stewarded by honest man, mostly work to the benefit of everybody. Until we get a call from Diogenes saying "Touchdown!", it's largely a moot point whether or not you subscribe to ANY of them but please know that if you subscribe, all in, patch-sewn-on-my-coat to ANY of them exclusively, you've already missed the part where our ideas are supposed to serve us, not give other men leverage to make us serve them.
TWX
2012-11-15 10:09:23 PM  
8 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Too bad he's a communist. He seems like a good guy.


Honestly, if he's a Communist, he's the first Communist who has actually lived as a proletariat while holding the highest office in his nation that I've heard of, and one that I could respect for his beliefs even if I don't agree with them.

Though I'm not going to disagree with his perspective on the rat race most of us participate in. My wife and I have chosen to live below our means and we've watched friends and associates crash and burn when hit by comparatively minor setbacks while spending every dime trying to keep up with Madison Avenue's suggested lifestyle, and we've weathered it by actually figuring out what we want and moderating our acquisition of it. It's not much of a hardship to refrain from buying new TVs or new cars or new computers when what we have still works. I played that game for awhile, and I learned that regardless of how many new video cards I bought, there would always be a better one out shortly.

So, we buy things when we need them. We use tube TVs. My 'new' car six months ago is seventeen years old, though admittedly had only 6500 miles on it. Her laptop still has a built-in optical drive, but is a Thinkpad and will easily last another five years, probably more like eight tp ten. I replaced my T-Mobile G1 smartphone when the keyboard finally fully croaked. She replaced her analog cell phone when the provider started charging extra for analog service, and it probably would still work if there was service available.

Live for yourself, not just for appearance sake or because advertisers say to do something.
2012-11-15 09:52:57 PM  
6 votes:
See, every so often, wiser men emerge and they say "You know, I don't really *need* much.

I got love, I got a car that runs, a few bucks in my pocket, the utilities are on, the fridge is full."

And they use whatever position they attain to make things better, if they can, instead of using violence, lies and corruption to jam as many bank notes up their ass as possible before they get fitted for a toe tag. They don't get a come up and then blow a lot of money trying to affect the posture of somebody they aren't and do not feel comfortable portraying.

This guy isn't a failure, he's a life lesson.
2012-11-15 10:34:28 PM  
3 votes:

mikewadestr: All the big charity heads with their seven figure salaries say: "Only 90%! You selfish bastard!"


Organized charities are like organized religion. Eventually, most of them end up with gold pulpits, flashy robes and hats and you end up with some grape juice and crackers and being told you're not doing enough. Jesus wasn't very organized, if yo think about it. He wandered around the countryside, william and nilliam, helping people out, preaching the word and said "God will provide".
2012-11-15 10:20:37 PM  
3 votes:

bulok: Hero tag hiding Subby?

I consider myself a capitalist because I find socialism to just be a way for the power hungry fascists to control the masses, however for this man, I would gladly be a socialist.


I am in agreement with this sentiment. If only all people could keep there greed in check the world would be a better place.

//sadly most humans are greedy.

/and lazy.
2012-11-15 09:50:04 PM  
3 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Too bad he's a communist. He seems like a good guy.


Imagine 90 years of propaganda being wrong.
2012-11-15 11:44:51 PM  
2 votes:

TWX: Pure capitalism does not function any better than any other imaginary system.


coachotis.files.wordpress.com

Precisely. Components.

So what does work? That's simple. We all KNOW what works already. Nobody steals, lies, abuses, cons, suckers, manipulates or does violence for gain. Nobody kicks the poor, fellates the rich or allows dishonest men to spread dishonest ideas. It's the simplest rule on earth and it would solve MOST of the sewage we seem to be OK with wading through, every day.

Here it is. Here's the plaque. Here's the soundbite. Ready? Don't be a douchebag. Yeah, I ain't holding my hand on my ass waiting, either.
2012-11-15 11:38:57 PM  
2 votes:

LZeitgeist: 'Interesting' trumps the 'Hero' tag?

I wish the US had a leader who knew what it was like to live on just the basics...


Says the man most likely posting from either a high speed internet connection or a smart phone.
TWX
2012-11-15 11:07:26 PM  
2 votes:

10MM: you sound poor.


Yeah, I do sound that way. I guess I just got tired of throwing good money after bad. What I hadn't said is that the main tube TV is actually a 1920x1080 capable widescreen unit that cost me $40. I had been looking at a $600 TV but this one came along and fit the space in the entertainment center with about an inch to spare on the top and the sides, and I wasn't going to turn down a $40 TV that'll probably outlast the $600 TV three times over.

If people would just wait until their things legitimately wore out or were truly hopelessly obsolete before replacing them they'd have a lot more money available for when unexpected expenses come along. Buying the latest phone every time the next version comes out benefits a few stockholders, but doesn't really give anything truly new to the consumer.
2012-11-15 10:06:19 PM  
2 votes:
'Interesting' trumps the 'Hero' tag?

I wish the US had a leader who knew what it was like to live on just the basics...
2012-11-15 10:05:09 PM  
2 votes:
files.abovetopsecret.com
2012-11-15 09:55:45 PM  
2 votes:
Hero tag hiding Subby?

I consider myself a capitalist because I find socialism to just be a way for the power hungry fascists to control the masses, however for this man, I would gladly be a socialist.
2012-11-15 09:49:05 PM  
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Too bad he's a communist. He seems like a good guy.


I'd like to see Morales or Chavez put their money where their mouth is and do the same thing.
2012-11-15 09:44:26 PM  
2 votes:
oneeyebrowraised.files.wordpress.com

/oblig
TWX
2012-11-15 11:57:04 PM  
1 votes:

bunner: TWX: Pure capitalism does not function any better than any other imaginary system.

[coachotis.files.wordpress.com image 500x419]

Precisely. Components.

So what does work? That's simple. We all KNOW what works already. Nobody steals, lies, abuses, cons, suckers, manipulates or does violence for gain. Nobody kicks the poor, fellates the rich or allows dishonest men to spread dishonest ideas. It's the simplest rule on earth and it would solve MOST of the sewage we seem to be OK with wading through, every day.

Here it is. Here's the plaque. Here's the soundbite. Ready? Don't be a douchebag. Yeah, I ain't holding my hand on my ass waiting, either.


I think that your concepts have been referred to as, "natural rights of man." In the eighteenth century in what's now considered to be the beginning of the Age of Enlightenment, philosophy started considering what one's rights are, instead of only being focused on what prohibitions are necessary, for the maintenance of a viable society. The Bill of Rights in the US constitution and many of the subsequent amendments, plus the French document Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen are products of this concept of natural rights.
2012-11-15 11:52:48 PM  
1 votes:

signaljammer: Cuba life expectancy: m78.3 f76.2
USA: 78.2 75.6

//rationalize
//away


Overweight. Car accidents.
2012-11-15 10:37:03 PM  
1 votes:

TWX: AverageAmericanGuy: Too bad he's a communist. He seems like a good guy.

Honestly, if he's a Communist, he's the first Communist who has actually lived as a proletariat while holding the highest office in his nation that I've heard of, and one that I could respect for his beliefs even if I don't agree with them.

Though I'm not going to disagree with his perspective on the rat race most of us participate in. My wife and I have chosen to live below our means and we've watched friends and associates crash and burn when hit by comparatively minor setbacks while spending every dime trying to keep up with Madison Avenue's suggested lifestyle, and we've weathered it by actually figuring out what we want and moderating our acquisition of it. It's not much of a hardship to refrain from buying new TVs or new cars or new computers when what we have still works. I played that game for awhile, and I learned that regardless of how many new video cards I bought, there would always be a better one out shortly.

So, we buy things when we need them. We use tube TVs. My 'new' car six months ago is seventeen years old, though admittedly had only 6500 miles on it. Her laptop still has a built-in optical drive, but is a Thinkpad and will easily last another five years, probably more like eight tp ten. I replaced my T-Mobile G1 smartphone when the keyboard finally fully croaked. She replaced her analog cell phone when the provider started charging extra for analog service, and it probably would still work if there was service available.

Live for yourself, not just for appearance sake or because advertisers say to do something.


Hero tag is for you.
2012-11-15 10:30:04 PM  
1 votes:

bunner: Socialism, capitalism, and a couple of other isms being touted, fought over and stapled to various nation states are not absolutes. They are not all in one, One True Ways™. They are useful components of something that, when stewarded by honest man, mostly work to the benefit of everybody. Until we get a call from Diogenes saying "Touchdown!", it's largely a moot point whether or not you subscribe to ANY of them but please know that if you subscribe, all in, patch-sewn-on-my-coat to ANY of them exclusively, you've already missed the part where our ideas are supposed to serve us, not give other men leverage to make us serve them.


This is the first time I've ever pressed the Smart button.
2012-11-15 10:28:17 PM  
1 votes:

bunner: Socialism, capitalism, and a couple of other isms being touted, fought over and stapled to various nation states are not absolutes. They are not all in one, One True Ways™. They are useful components of something that, when stewarded by honest man, mostly work to the benefit of everybody. Until we get a call from Diogenes saying "Touchdown!", it's largely a moot point whether or not you subscribe to ANY of them but please know that if you subscribe, all in, patch-sewn-on-my-coat to ANY of them exclusively, you've already missed the part where our ideas are supposed to serve us, not give other men leverage to make us serve them.


very well said.
TWX
2012-11-15 10:28:02 PM  
1 votes:

legion_of_doo: oh, an independently wealthy landowner doesn't need all his official government salary?

shocking. give the man an award or whatever.


I think that the point is that he's not looking for an award.

Additionally, if the farm and the assets are worth about $500,000, he's got less resources than the average true family farm in the United States. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of the bigger pieces of equipment to work my extended family's farm exceeds this man's net worth, and that the bulk of that net worth is tied up in the farm, not liquid for his immediate spending. He could certainly choose to take more, to consume more, to grab for even more, but has chosen to do the opposite.
2012-11-15 10:18:42 PM  
1 votes:

EyeHateOnlineIdiots: the USA is shiat compared to most other nations


No, it's definitely not. But it's sure lost a lot of ground in the last 30 to 40 years. Or rather stayed still while other countries kept moving forward.
2012-11-15 10:17:55 PM  
1 votes:

miniflea: AverageAmericanGuy: Too bad he's a communist. He seems like a good guy.

I may be asking a dumbass question here, but is this a troll account, or what?

My wife is from Uruguay, and she's never met him but much of her family has. He had lunch with her grandmother a few weeks ago. Her father (who has also met him) could be his younger brother, they are in many ways cut from the same cloth.


i'm pretty sure what you experienced was called a joke. lighten up a bit
2012-11-15 10:16:11 PM  
1 votes:

ZAZ: Rev.K: For anyone with an ounce of interest in European soccer or the World Cup, Uruguay is not a country no one has heard of.

OK: He's the poor president of a country nobody in North America has ever heard of.

I mean, North America north of Mexico. Because technically Mexico is part of North America.

North America north of Mexico and south of Canada.


yeah -but "a country americans have never heard of" is pretty much all of them except for like, what - 9 places?
2012-11-15 10:15:26 PM  
1 votes:
I don't trust people that say they don't need money and I'm twice as distrustful of a politician that isn't interested in money.
2012-11-15 10:07:59 PM  
1 votes:

bulok: Hero tag hiding Subby?

I consider myself a capitalist because I find socialism to just be a way for the power hungry fascists to control the masses, however for this man, I would gladly be a socialist.


Agreed.

Not a greed.
2012-11-15 09:57:27 PM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Too bad he's a communist. He seems like a good guy.


I may be asking a dumbass question here, but is this a troll account, or what?

My wife is from Uruguay, and she's never met him but much of her family has. He had lunch with her grandmother a few weeks ago. Her father (who has also met him) could be his younger brother, they are in many ways cut from the same cloth.
2012-11-15 09:49:47 PM  
1 votes:

TastyEloi: "Does this planet have enough resources so seven or eight billion can have the same level of consumption and waste that today is seen in rich societies?" 

No, of course it doesn't--at our current level of technology. Fortunately, ever-advancing technology may allow more people to live at a higher standard of living.


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2012-11-15 09:48:47 PM  
1 votes:

Mistymtnhop: Uruguay rocks!


Legalized pot, abortion and maybe soon gay marriage.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-15 09:48:02 PM  
1 votes:
Rev.K: For anyone with an ounce of interest in European soccer or the World Cup, Uruguay is not a country no one has heard of.

OK: He's the poor president of a country nobody in North America has ever heard of.

I mean, North America north of Mexico. Because technically Mexico is part of North America.

North America north of Mexico and south of Canada.
2012-11-15 09:46:04 PM  
1 votes:

ZAZ: He's the poor president of a country nobody has heard of


For anyone with an ounce of interest in European soccer or the World Cup, Uruguay is not a country no one has heard of.
2012-11-15 09:45:09 PM  
1 votes:
Too bad he's a communist. He seems like a good guy.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-15 08:13:37 PM  
1 votes:
Elected in 2009, Mujica spent the 1960s and 1970s as part of the Uruguayan guerrilla Tupamaros, a leftist armed group inspired by the Cuban revolution.

Nice to see he didn't turn into a nasty, selfish dictator.

Does he dress up for official visits to the UN or Washington?  I sense a sitcom in the making. He's the poor president of a country nobody has heard of. She's the Secretary of State of the richest country in the world. Tune in Click for this week's wacky hijinks.
 
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