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(BBC)   He donates 90% of his salary to charity; his most valuable possession is a 1987 VW Beetle. He is...the most interesting President in the world   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 111
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2012-11-15 10:34:28 PM  

mikewadestr: All the big charity heads with their seven figure salaries say: "Only 90%! You selfish bastard!"


Organized charities are like organized religion. Eventually, most of them end up with gold pulpits, flashy robes and hats and you end up with some grape juice and crackers and being told you're not doing enough. Jesus wasn't very organized, if yo think about it. He wandered around the countryside, william and nilliam, helping people out, preaching the word and said "God will provide".
 
2012-11-15 10:34:50 PM  

miniflea: My wife is from Uruguay, and she's never met him but much of her family has. He had lunch with her grandmother a few weeks ago. Her father (who has also met him) could be his younger brother, they are in many ways cut from the same cloth.


For you.
 
2012-11-15 10:37:03 PM  

TWX: AverageAmericanGuy: Too bad he's a communist. He seems like a good guy.

Honestly, if he's a Communist, he's the first Communist who has actually lived as a proletariat while holding the highest office in his nation that I've heard of, and one that I could respect for his beliefs even if I don't agree with them.

Though I'm not going to disagree with his perspective on the rat race most of us participate in. My wife and I have chosen to live below our means and we've watched friends and associates crash and burn when hit by comparatively minor setbacks while spending every dime trying to keep up with Madison Avenue's suggested lifestyle, and we've weathered it by actually figuring out what we want and moderating our acquisition of it. It's not much of a hardship to refrain from buying new TVs or new cars or new computers when what we have still works. I played that game for awhile, and I learned that regardless of how many new video cards I bought, there would always be a better one out shortly.

So, we buy things when we need them. We use tube TVs. My 'new' car six months ago is seventeen years old, though admittedly had only 6500 miles on it. Her laptop still has a built-in optical drive, but is a Thinkpad and will easily last another five years, probably more like eight tp ten. I replaced my T-Mobile G1 smartphone when the keyboard finally fully croaked. She replaced her analog cell phone when the provider started charging extra for analog service, and it probably would still work if there was service available.

Live for yourself, not just for appearance sake or because advertisers say to do something.


Hero tag is for you.
 
2012-11-15 10:43:49 PM  

TastyEloi: "Does this planet have enough resources so seven or eight billion can have the same level of consumption and waste that today is seen in rich societies?" 

No, of course it doesn't--at our current level of technology. Fortunately, ever-advancing technology may allow more people to live at a higher standard of living.


But... capitalists will use that technology! TO MAKE MONEY!
 
2012-11-15 10:53:00 PM  

Hot Carl To Go: Heamer: ilikeracecars: You know how I know Uruguay?

Uganda be kidding me, what a terrible pun.

Bolivia me, it's just going to get worse.


Dudes, chile out!
 
2012-11-15 10:53:30 PM  
Elected in 2009, Mujica spent the 1960s and 1970s as part of the Uruguayan guerrilla Tupamaros, a leftist armed group inspired by the Cuban revolution.

He was shot six times and spent 14 years in jail. Most of his detention was spent in harsh conditions and isolation, until he was freed in 1985 when Uruguay returned to democracy.

Those years in jail, Mujica says, helped shape his outlook on life.


He should license his image to a t-shirt company. He could make a fortune selling them to American college students, and donate the proceeds to small businesses in Uruguay.
 
2012-11-15 10:54:58 PM  

Talondel: He should license his image to a t-shirt company. He could make a fortune selling them to American college students, and donate the proceeds to small businesses in Uruguay.


So, capitalism and charity CAN work? : ) Of course they can. Components. Install as necessary. Good idea.
 
2012-11-15 10:56:23 PM  

bunner: Socialism, capitalism, and a couple of other isms being touted, fought over and stapled to various nation states are not absolutes. They are not all in one, One True Ways™. They are useful components of something that, when stewarded by honest man, mostly work to the benefit of everybody. Until we get a call from Diogenes saying "Touchdown!", it's largely a moot point whether or not you subscribe to ANY of them but please know that if you subscribe, all in, patch-sewn-on-my-coat to ANY of them exclusively, you've already missed the part where our ideas are supposed to serve us, not give other men leverage to make us serve them.


Pft, why don't you go blow Stalin, you commie. The pure free market is man's natural state and it's immoral to subscribe to any other system. The free market existed before government and totally doesn't require an act of collective creation to exist in any meaningful or useful form, so government and society have no authority to attempt to steer its economic power for the benefit of the general public, in even the tiniest way. Furthermore, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, it is in fact utterly impossible for a government to take such action without objectively causing far more harm than good.

Jesus, It's like you haven't even read anything by Ayn Rand, or you have but were tainted by some assuredly-Communist courses in basic logic, political economy, or political philosophy first. They never read Rand in those because she's way smarter than all the Communists they do read, like Adam Smith and Milton Friedman.

/ What sane people in the US are greeted with any time they try to participate in political discussion.
// Not from everyone, but always from someone.
/// Especially on Slashdot; you think political discussions here are deranged... yeesh.
 
2012-11-15 10:59:57 PM  
See, this is what happens when you make voting compulsory. You end up electing honest people. I'm truly surprised that he's not been assassinated already.
 
2012-11-15 11:00:44 PM  
Um, Norway is a socialist country that seems to be both prosperous and free.
 
2012-11-15 11:04:58 PM  
But like I said, reddit a couple of days ago.
 
2012-11-15 11:05:10 PM  

signaljammer: Um, Norway is a socialist country that seems to be both prosperous and free.


And their main export is petroleum.

That could have something to do with their ability to maintain a high per-capita government expenditure rate while not succumbing to the fiscal crises that are gripping less natural resource-rich EU countries like Spain, Greece, and Italy.
 
TWX
2012-11-15 11:07:26 PM  

10MM: you sound poor.


Yeah, I do sound that way. I guess I just got tired of throwing good money after bad. What I hadn't said is that the main tube TV is actually a 1920x1080 capable widescreen unit that cost me $40. I had been looking at a $600 TV but this one came along and fit the space in the entertainment center with about an inch to spare on the top and the sides, and I wasn't going to turn down a $40 TV that'll probably outlast the $600 TV three times over.

If people would just wait until their things legitimately wore out or were truly hopelessly obsolete before replacing them they'd have a lot more money available for when unexpected expenses come along. Buying the latest phone every time the next version comes out benefits a few stockholders, but doesn't really give anything truly new to the consumer.
 
2012-11-15 11:12:38 PM  

fallingcow: Pft, why don't you go blow Stalin, you commie.


i694.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-15 11:29:46 PM  
Yeah, we don't have any natural resources here in the USA. And all of Norway's economy is resource-driven, yup.
 
2012-11-15 11:32:17 PM  
Another fact about Norway's fuel boom, which I will acknowledge, is that they are banking almost all of it.

//Waddya got to say about Denmark?
 
2012-11-15 11:36:16 PM  
What about Cuba, whose infant mortality is 6/7ths of the worker's paradise, the USA?

//get some
//fresher canards
 
TWX
2012-11-15 11:37:32 PM  

fallingcow: Pft, why don't you go blow Stalin, you commie. The pure free market is man's natural state and it's immoral to subscribe to any other system. The free market existed before government and totally doesn't require an act of collective creation to exist in any meaningful or useful form, so government and society have no authority to attempt to steer its economic power for the benefit of the general public, in even the tiniest way. Furthermore, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, it is in fact utterly impossible for a government to take such action without objectively causing far more harm than good.

Jesus, It's like you haven't even read anything by Ayn Rand, or you have but were tainted by some assuredly-Communist courses in basic logic, political economy, or political philosophy first. They never read Rand in those because she's way smarter than all the Communists they do read, like Adam Smith and Milton Friedman.

/ What sane people in the US are greeted with any time they try to participate in political discussion.
// Not from everyone, but always from someone.
/// Especially on Slashdot; you think political discussions here are deranged... yeesh.


You know that Ms. Rand lived on the government dole in her later years, receiving both Medicare and Social Security benefits and payments, right?

Pure capitalism does not function any better than any other imaginary system. Laissez-faire fails as soon as companies or individuals are willing to resort to any tactics outside of an honest market exchange, either manipulating the market itself, or strongarming or resorting to violence to remain in their position in the market. By your logic, we should recognize organized crime as a valid business model. Same thing for absolute monarchy- arguably dynasties can be looked at as very successful private businesses that have managed to continue to pass on their wealth and prosperity through multiple generations, and successful takeovers like when William the Conqueror took over England in 1066 or when Phillip II of France forced King John out of Normandy and Brittany are the ultimate example of hostile takeovers. King John's weak position leading to the signing of the Magna Carta is an example of bad business practice leading to an unfavorable position.

Pure capitalism as envisioned by fiction writers like Rand is just as impossible as Marx's true Communism.
 
2012-11-15 11:38:09 PM  

signaljammer: Another fact about Norway's fuel boom, which I will acknowledge, is that they are banking almost all of it.

//Waddya got to say about Denmark?


They have terribly overrated cheese and the Copenhagen airport kiosks inside the terminal don't stock enough product.
 
2012-11-15 11:38:51 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 441x600]

ilikeracecars: You know how I know Uruguay?


Buh...um...dios mio! Ah, eh...ola?
 
2012-11-15 11:38:57 PM  

LZeitgeist: 'Interesting' trumps the 'Hero' tag?

I wish the US had a leader who knew what it was like to live on just the basics...


Says the man most likely posting from either a high speed internet connection or a smart phone.
 
2012-11-15 11:39:55 PM  

dericwater: Hot Carl To Go: Heamer: ilikeracecars: You know how I know Uruguay?

Uganda be kidding me, what a terrible pun.

Bolivia me, it's just going to get worse.

Dudes, chile out!


I got a brazilian more puns
 
2012-11-15 11:41:01 PM  

signaljammer: What about Cuba, whose infant mortality is 6/7ths of the worker's paradise, the USA?

//get some
//fresher canards


For much of its Communist existence, it was flush with cash from the USSR due to its strategic importance and location. Nowadays they have quite a bit of foreign tourism to keep the small economy running. Poverty is still a problem, but at least the government funnels money into hospitals and schools rather than missile shields and guns.
 
2012-11-15 11:44:09 PM  
The USSR has dis-invested since 1991, try again.
 
2012-11-15 11:44:31 PM  

signaljammer: The USSR has dis-invested since 1991, try again.


And the economy has gone to pot. Go figure.
 
2012-11-15 11:44:51 PM  

TWX: Pure capitalism does not function any better than any other imaginary system.


coachotis.files.wordpress.com

Precisely. Components.

So what does work? That's simple. We all KNOW what works already. Nobody steals, lies, abuses, cons, suckers, manipulates or does violence for gain. Nobody kicks the poor, fellates the rich or allows dishonest men to spread dishonest ideas. It's the simplest rule on earth and it would solve MOST of the sewage we seem to be OK with wading through, every day.

Here it is. Here's the plaque. Here's the soundbite. Ready? Don't be a douchebag. Yeah, I ain't holding my hand on my ass waiting, either.
 
2012-11-15 11:46:44 PM  

Talondel: Elected in 2009, Mujica spent the 1960s and 1970s as part of the Uruguayan guerrilla Tupamaros, a leftist armed group inspired by the Cuban revolution.

He was shot six times and spent 14 years in jail. Most of his detention was spent in harsh conditions and isolation, until he was freed in 1985 when Uruguay returned to democracy.

Those years in jail, Mujica says, helped shape his outlook on life.

He should license his image to a t-shirt company. He could make a fortune selling them to American college students, and donate the proceeds to small businesses in Uruguay.


Actually, that's pretty good! Better than my "Ayn Rand Love Doll" - now with three vibrating orifices! Put money in one and just SEE what you get!
 
2012-11-15 11:49:29 PM  

fallingcow: bunner: Socialism, capitalism, and a couple of other isms being touted, fought over and stapled to various nation states are not absolutes. They are not all in one, One True Ways™. They are useful components of something that, when stewarded by honest man, mostly work to the benefit of everybody. Until we get a call from Diogenes saying "Touchdown!", it's largely a moot point whether or not you subscribe to ANY of them but please know that if you subscribe, all in, patch-sewn-on-my-coat to ANY of them exclusively, you've already missed the part where our ideas are supposed to serve us, not give other men leverage to make us serve them.

Pft, why don't you go blow Stalin, you commie. The pure free market is man's natural state and it's immoral to subscribe to any other system. The free market existed before government and totally doesn't require an act of collective creation to exist in any meaningful or useful form, so government and society have no authority to attempt to steer its economic power for the benefit of the general public, in even the tiniest way. Furthermore, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, it is in fact utterly impossible for a government to take such action without objectively causing far more harm than good.

Jesus, It's like you haven't even read anything by Ayn Rand, or you have but were tainted by some assuredly-Communist courses in basic logic, political economy, or political philosophy first. They never read Rand in those because she's way smarter than all the Communists they do read, like Adam Smith and Milton Friedman.

/ What sane people in the US are greeted with any time they try to participate in political discussion.
// Not from everyone, but always from someone.
/// Especially on Slashdot; you think political discussions here are deranged... yeesh.


I have too read Ayn Rand. I own an autographed copy of "Dagney the Douchebag Goes Quantity Surveying"!
 
2012-11-15 11:51:23 PM  

miniflea: AverageAmericanGuy: Too bad he's a communist. He seems like a good guy.

I may be asking a dumbass question here, but is this a troll account, or what?

My wife is from Uruguay, and she's never met him but much of her family has. He had lunch with her grandmother a few weeks ago. Her father (who has also met him) could be his younger brother, they are in many ways cut from the same cloth.


IMHO or what. AAG consistently provides high quality posts from a AverageAmericanGuy POV. IMHO AAG should get paid for what they do as they are quite good at it. dumbass.
 
2012-11-15 11:51:30 PM  
Cuba life expectancy: m78.3 f76.2
USA: 78.2 75.6

//rationalize
//away
 
2012-11-15 11:52:48 PM  

signaljammer: Cuba life expectancy: m78.3 f76.2
USA: 78.2 75.6

//rationalize
//away


Overweight. Car accidents.
 
2012-11-15 11:53:21 PM  

KrispyKritter: miniflea: AverageAmericanGuy: Too bad he's a communist. He seems like a good guy.

I may be asking a dumbass question here, but is this a troll account, or what?

My wife is from Uruguay, and she's never met him but much of her family has. He had lunch with her grandmother a few weeks ago. Her father (who has also met him) could be his younger brother, they are in many ways cut from the same cloth.

IMHO or what. AAG consistently provides high quality posts from a AverageAmericanGuy POV. IMHO AAG should get paid for what they do as they are quite good at it. dumbass.


Heh. Had a few little drinky-winkies tonight, have we?
 
2012-11-15 11:55:05 PM  

Hot Carl To Go: Heamer: ilikeracecars: You know how I know Uruguay?

Uganda be kidding me, what a terrible pun.

Bolivia me, it's just going to get worse.


OMG! As I read the rest of this thread, all I could think, was how did Juneau?
 
2012-11-15 11:56:47 PM  
Yet the embargo keeps rolling:
http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/world/story/2012/11/13/un-cuba-embargo-us.h t ml
Link
 
TWX
2012-11-15 11:57:04 PM  

bunner: TWX: Pure capitalism does not function any better than any other imaginary system.

[coachotis.files.wordpress.com image 500x419]

Precisely. Components.

So what does work? That's simple. We all KNOW what works already. Nobody steals, lies, abuses, cons, suckers, manipulates or does violence for gain. Nobody kicks the poor, fellates the rich or allows dishonest men to spread dishonest ideas. It's the simplest rule on earth and it would solve MOST of the sewage we seem to be OK with wading through, every day.

Here it is. Here's the plaque. Here's the soundbite. Ready? Don't be a douchebag. Yeah, I ain't holding my hand on my ass waiting, either.


I think that your concepts have been referred to as, "natural rights of man." In the eighteenth century in what's now considered to be the beginning of the Age of Enlightenment, philosophy started considering what one's rights are, instead of only being focused on what prohibitions are necessary, for the maintenance of a viable society. The Bill of Rights in the US constitution and many of the subsequent amendments, plus the French document Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen are products of this concept of natural rights.
 
2012-11-16 12:01:28 AM  

jso2897: I have too read Ayn Rand. I own an autographed copy of "Dagney the Douchebag Goes Quantity Surveying"!


I don't read Rand because I don't read at all, because I've heard Karl Marx was literate, but I have seen many fine Objectivist films like The Mosquito Coast and Rope.
 
2012-11-16 12:01:47 AM  

signaljammer: Yet the embargo keeps rolling:
http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/world/story/2012/11/13/un-cuba-embargo-us.h t ml
Link


Yeah. That's a shame.
 
2012-11-16 12:03:11 AM  
I dunno about alla dat, but as near as I can tell, it's what ya get when people aren't standing in line for their turn to put their dick in society's dog
 
2012-11-16 12:17:06 AM  

bunner: I dunno about alla dat


Maybe you should go to Afghanistan, where you come from

/Syriasly
 
2012-11-16 12:21:03 AM  
He donates 90% of his salary to charity; his most valuable possession is a 1987 VW Beetle. He is...the most interesting President in the world vs the community organizer's recent $4 million dinner.
 
2012-11-16 12:22:54 AM  
"I'll tell you what justice is. Justice is the law, and the law is man's feeble attempt to set down the principles of decency. Decency! And decency is not a deal. It isn't an angle, or a contract, or a hustle! Decency... decency is what your grandmother taught you. It's in your bones! Now you go home. Go home and be decent people. Be decent." - Judge Leonard White - the Bonfire of the Vanities.

Ta da.

Please see the proctor for your grade.

And make somebody a sammich.
 
2012-11-16 12:27:03 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: vs the community organizer's recent $4 million dinner.


I am amazed that the Goopers have waited this long to start their obligatory, opprobrium dogpile. The charity of that restraint has been noted.
 
2012-11-16 12:48:03 AM  

TWX: Pure capitalism as envisioned by fiction writers like Rand is just as impossible as Marx's true Communism.

 

I love you.

That single line is glorious.

\Also, favorite
 
2012-11-16 01:22:17 AM  

TWX: Pure capitalism as envisioned by fiction writers like Rand is just as impossible as Marx's true Communism.


You know who also thought Marxism was presently impossible? Karl Marx. He thought capitalism was a good way to get on the path there, though...
 
2012-11-16 01:28:16 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: signaljammer: Um, Norway is a socialist country that seems to be both prosperous and free.

And their main export is petroleum.

That could have something to do with their ability to maintain a high per-capita government expenditure rate while not succumbing to the fiscal crises that are gripping less natural resource-rich EU countries like Spain, Greece, and Italy.


Are you my brother?
 
2012-11-16 01:31:54 AM  

ninotchka: AverageAmericanGuy: signaljammer: Um, Norway is a socialist country that seems to be both prosperous and free.

And their main export is petroleum.

That could have something to do with their ability to maintain a high per-capita government expenditure rate while not succumbing to the fiscal crises that are gripping less natural resource-rich EU countries like Spain, Greece, and Italy.

Are you my brother?


I ain't heavy.
 
2012-11-16 01:41:00 AM  

LZeitgeist: 'Interesting' trumps the 'Hero' tag?

I wish the US had a leader who knew what it was like to live on just the basics...


upload.wikimedia.org

Only President to have lived in subsidized housing. He may have been from a well-off family, but apparently there was a rough patch or two there.
 
2012-11-16 01:53:03 AM  
Holy crap Subby. Well done. I thought it would be funny to have this hit main just on the headline, but i also liked the article. I had no idea that this would turn into a derpstorm . Bravo.
 
2012-11-16 02:36:01 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: signaljammer: Another fact about Norway's fuel boom, which I will acknowledge, is that they are banking almost all of it.

//Waddya got to say about Denmark?

They have terribly overrated cheese and the Copenhagen airport kiosks inside the terminal don't stock enough product.


a) We have cheese?! Check out our pumps or thermostats instead.

b) Don't go to Copenhagen - it is full of pretencious assholes and hipsters (redundant, I know).

c) Socialism and communism are not the same thing.

d) Germany is also socialist, and that biatch is the economic backbone of the EU - you can't explain that!
 
2012-11-16 02:46:11 AM  

bunner: Until we get a call from Diogenes saying "Touchdown!"

"GOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLL!!!"

FTFthe soccer fans.
 
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