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(Bloomberg)   Media coverage on Election Day is "basically fake," says the former host of CNN's totally fake Crossfire   (bloomberg.com) divider line 61
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2012-11-15 06:50:45 PM  
Is this one of the guys Jon Stewart destroyed?
 
2012-11-15 06:51:15 PM  
television networks know who's going to win the game and more or less how it's going to play out, inning-by-inning

Even Fox?
 
2012-11-15 06:52:18 PM  

MFAWG: Is this one of the guys Jon Stewart destroyed?


Pretty much, yeah.
 
2012-11-15 06:54:38 PM  

CygnusDarius: MFAWG: Is this one of the guys Jon Stewart destroyed?

Pretty much, yeah.


Monkey fishing?
 
2012-11-15 06:54:40 PM  

MFAWG: Is this one of the guys Jon Stewart destroyed?


No, Kinsley was long gone before Stewart killed them. He was Pat Buchanan's old foil.
 
2012-11-15 06:54:46 PM  
Easy to tell cnn was dragging out every second. so phony
 
2012-11-15 06:55:31 PM  
Kinsley lives?!
 
2012-11-15 06:57:47 PM  
If FOX News knew the results that well, they still hadn't come to terms with it by the time the election had wrapped up on the 7th.
 
2012-11-15 06:59:22 PM  
He mentions the "they don't report exit polling numbers because it might affect turnout", and immediately dismisses the point.

It's not a small point. If people are still voting in California, we shouldn't be saying "well... election's over". It WOULD affect turnout and if you're a moral person who values people participating in the democratic process, you should respect that.

Be cynical all you want. But it's not useful to criticize a news corporation for having one moral scruple about something - even if it also provides a nice side benefit for them of boosted ratings. There's a reason reporting on exit polling is banned in other countries.
 
2012-11-15 07:01:54 PM  
 
2012-11-15 07:05:17 PM  

lacydog: There's a reason reporting on exit polling is banned in other countries.


Yes, there's nothing like restrictions on the free flow of information to enhance the democratic process. By that logic, let's put a muzzle on poll aggregators like Nate Silver because they can predict the election with a high degree of confidence weeks, if not months, from election day.
 
2012-11-15 07:05:44 PM  
Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.
 
2012-11-15 07:08:10 PM  
This is news? Everyone knows the networks are going to portray it as a close race up until the results start rolling in. Otherwise, who would watch?

Hell, when Reagan completely crushed Carter in one of the most lopsided elections ever, the media had it as a "draw" up until the day of the election.
 
2012-11-15 07:12:43 PM  

Talos: This is news? Everyone knows the networks are going to portray it as a close race up until the results start rolling in. Otherwise, who would watch?

Hell, when Reagan completely crushed Carter in one of the most lopsided elections ever, the media had it as a "draw" up until the day of the election.


Because they stopped polling a week before the election. You know what else happened a week before the election? That pivotal, single debate. It was the same with Dewey and Truman, the polling agencies (at least the handful that existed, and the science was in its infancy) stopped polling a month before the election because they thought Dewey had it in the bag.
 
2012-11-15 07:18:41 PM  
"Election day media coverage is completely fake. Everyone in the media really already knows the outcome of the election before polls are even closed in Florida," says man who learned nothing from the 2000 debacle.
 
2012-11-15 07:19:16 PM  
Kind of like all coverage of everything on the major networks?

/cannot remember a day when network news actually brought me news
//oh wait, yes I can, 9/11, but that was the only one.
///shut them down, shut them all down. Bias is only acceptable when I have choices.
 
2012-11-15 07:21:13 PM  
Um shiathead, if you announce the winner at 6pm Eastern, you will suppress voter turnout in the West.

Then you might end up like these guys:

s8.postimage.org
 
2012-11-15 07:22:33 PM  
B. .but W did significantly better than his exit polls in Fla.!
 
2012-11-15 07:24:23 PM  

Zeno-25: lacydog: There's a reason reporting on exit polling is banned in other countries.

Yes, there's nothing like restrictions on the free flow of information to enhance the democratic process. By that logic, let's put a muzzle on poll aggregators like Nate Silver because they can predict the election with a high degree of confidence weeks, if not months, from election day.


Correction, reporting on exit polling while voting is still open. And that's got nothing to do with the free flow of information - that information can still be supplied after the polls are closed. It has everything to do with not suppressing voter turnout.
 
2012-11-15 07:25:20 PM  
Do the campaigns also know who won well in advance?

Why does Joe Biden make a surprise stop in Ohio (or wherever it was, I forget) on election day if the results are already rock solid?
 
2012-11-15 07:27:48 PM  

someguy945: Do the campaigns also know who won well in advance?

Why does Joe Biden make a surprise stop in Ohio (or wherever it was, I forget) on election day if the results are already rock solid?


He wanted to give a teenage girl a ride in his biatchin' Trans Am.
 
2012-11-15 07:28:35 PM  
i4.ytimg.com

I can never hear the word Crossfire without remembering this.
 
2012-11-15 07:28:35 PM  

Zeno-25: lacydog: There's a reason reporting on exit polling is banned in other countries.

Yes, there's nothing like restrictions on the free flow of information to enhance the democratic process.


If it keeps people from just giving up because the election has already been decided by the time they can get to a polling place, yes, it does enhance the democratic process.
 
2012-11-15 07:29:15 PM  

Here's Karl Rove trying to stop Ohio from being called for Obama:


img37.imageshack.us


"Nein nein nein nein nein nein..."

 
2012-11-15 07:31:57 PM  

mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.


Um, no, you're thinking of Tucker Carlson. Tucker Max is an entirely different person.
 
2012-11-15 07:34:08 PM  

mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.


Tucker Carlson? Whatever happened to that dude?
 
2012-11-15 07:35:07 PM  

ciberido: mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.

Um, no, you're thinking of Tucker Carlson. Tucker Max is an entirely different person.


Have you ever seen them both at the same place, at the same time?
 
2012-11-15 07:39:23 PM  

beenjammin: If FOX News knew the results that well, they still hadn't come to terms with it by the time the election had wrapped up on the 7th.


There was an apparent disparity between what Fox's analysts knew to be true, and what their anchors where able to grasp.
 
2012-11-15 07:44:29 PM  

Zeno-25: ....let's put a muzzle on poll aggregators like Nate Silver because they can predict the election with a high degree of confidence....


Silver's effect on the election was to spur the Democrats to action after the first debate. It was the opposite of instilling apathy.
 
2012-11-15 07:46:21 PM  
The on-air systematic dismantling and destruction of Crossfire at Jon Stewart's hands is still one of my favorite pieces of television. The fact that they brought him on as a guest, and then he took a giant steaming dump on their entire show and lit it on fire just amuses me to no end. The fact that Tucker Carlson and his ridiculous bow tie could only sit there and plaintively mewl about "b-b-b-but I thought you were supposed to be funny :( " made it extra satisfying.
 
2012-11-15 07:48:15 PM  
I'll buy that.
 
2012-11-15 07:53:44 PM  

TheOther: ciberido: mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.

Um, no, you're thinking of Tucker Carlson. Tucker Max is an entirely different person.

Have you ever seen them both at the same place, at the same time?


No, and I'd rather not see either of them anywhere. Carlson is a "libertarian conservative" and Max is to feminists what [GODWIN ALERT post aborted]
 
2012-11-15 07:58:28 PM  
"Look at that. That's only 17 percent of the vote. We'll see how it goes tonight, but you watch it blue now."

mlkshk.com
 
2012-11-15 07:58:44 PM  

Gawdzila: The on-air systematic dismantling and destruction of Crossfire at Jon Stewart's hands is still one of my favorite pieces of television. The fact that they brought him on as a guest, and then he took a giant steaming dump on their entire show and lit it on fire just amuses me to no end. The fact that Tucker Carlson and his ridiculous bow tie could only sit there and plaintively mewl about "b-b-b-but I thought you were supposed to be funny :( " made it extra satisfying.


The show was pretty much dead by then.

When Kinsley was there, it was the shiat and he was great.

I think Stewart was roller-blading his way through Mixed Nuts in those days.
 
2012-11-15 08:01:42 PM  

ciberido: mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.

Um, no, you're thinking of Tucker Carlson. Tucker Max is an entirely different person.


And the Tucker Carlson pwning by Jon Stewart was epic.
 
2012-11-15 08:04:19 PM  

lacydog: He mentions the "they don't report exit polling numbers because it might affect turnout", and immediately dismisses the point.

It's not a small point. If people are still voting in California, we shouldn't be saying "well... election's over". It WOULD affect turnout and if you're a moral person who values people participating in the democratic process, you should respect that.

Be cynical all you want. But it's not useful to criticize a news corporation for having one moral scruple about something - even if it also provides a nice side benefit for them of boosted ratings. There's a reason reporting on exit polling is banned in other countries.


Nate Silver already told us who would win. In every state.
 
2012-11-15 08:05:18 PM  
What fake news might look like

publicspaceone.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-15 08:10:06 PM  

mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.


I thought Tucker Max was an office supply chain.
 
2012-11-15 08:14:00 PM  
Come on, all people who are moderately intelligent understand that television's job is to entertain us.

A lot of us can "predict" things with surprising accuracy, even if we aren't Nate Silver.

Most of us can still willingly suspend our disbelief.

I don't believe for a minute that Republicans actually thought they had a good chance of winning the Presidency. What O'Reilly said about the white establishment now being a minority was meant to be a gentle nudge towards the truth, for the racists amongst the Fox News audience. Karl Rove was just leading by example, being disbelieving and then accepting of the facts.

They won't admit it, but Republicans do realize they need to rein in their extremists. The only question now is, are the extremists about to eat the rest of the GOP alive?
 
2012-11-15 08:18:34 PM  

theincrediblemoo: [i4.ytimg.com image 320x180]

I can never hear the word Crossfire without remembering this.


Came for this. Hear the word and all you can hear in your head is that farking jingle.
 
2012-11-15 08:20:24 PM  
This webpages is horribly paginated so I can't read it in its entirety on my phone, But the headline does raise a good question: Was this race really foreseen to be as close as it was made out to be? I kept hearing 50/50 right up until Obama won Pennsylvania and Ohio.
 
2012-11-15 08:25:11 PM  
News is a delivery method for advertising. This isn't new.
 
2012-11-15 08:26:39 PM  
I thought it was only Washington and Colorado?
*shrug* Could've shared
 
2012-11-15 08:27:54 PM  
Based on appearances, Michael Kinsley has morphed into Neil Hamburger.
 
2012-11-15 08:36:44 PM  

HumanBeingsSuck: The only question now is, are the extremists about to eat the rest of the GOP alive?


I sure hope so. The GOP may have to take a lead from Teddy R, and split the party to reign in those who are truly conservative, but rational and fair minded. Sadly, that didn't work out for TR. However, in my opinion he was the second greatest Republican after Lincoln. Imagine what those two would think of today's Republicans? Hell, they'd probably think Obama was a true Republican.
 
2012-11-15 09:02:28 PM  

special20: HumanBeingsSuck: The only question now is, are the extremists about to eat the rest of the GOP alive?

I sure hope so. The GOP may have to take a lead from Teddy R, and split the party to reign in those who are truly conservative, but rational and fair minded. Sadly, that didn't work out for TR.


It won't be pretty for them in the short run, but in the long term I think it is necessary. There are two parties living inside the skin of one right now, and they're deeply conflicted. A split is going to have to happen eventually, the fight seems to pretty much be over who gets the Republican brand name.
 
2012-11-15 09:23:22 PM  
Considering that Presidential elections are fake, too, and that the President is selected while Americans are allowed to think they're actually involved in the process, I think it's fitting that the media coverage is just as fake.
 
2012-11-15 09:24:06 PM  
Bob Novak is still haunting us?
/too soon?
 
2012-11-15 09:33:53 PM  
Was it the first time they appreared on television?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6AKmU
 
2012-11-15 10:08:11 PM  

lacydog: He mentions the "they don't report exit polling numbers because it might affect turnout", and immediately dismisses the point.

It's not a small point. If people are still voting in California, we shouldn't be saying "well... election's over". It WOULD affect turnout and if you're a moral person who values people participating in the democratic process, you should respect that.

Be cynical all you want. But it's not useful to criticize a news corporation for having one moral scruple about something - even if it also provides a nice side benefit for them of boosted ratings. There's a reason reporting on exit polling is banned in other countries.


Theoretically, it could make a difference in the election. Realistically, however, in a Presidential election, all of the west coast states are strong blue states that have a 0% chance to giving their electoral vote to the Republican candidate, which is why in 2008 all the networks called the election for Obama the very minute the polls closed in the Pacific time zone. Unless there is a major change in the demographics and voting patterns in the west, those states will never decide an election.
 
2012-11-15 11:09:08 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: mithras_angel: Darn. I was hoping it was the goofy looking one, who thought he looked good in a bow tie.

Tucker Max, or whoever he was.

I thought Tucker Max was an office supply chain.


You're thinking of Tucker Depot.
 
2012-11-15 11:33:19 PM  

theincrediblemoo: [i4.ytimg.com image 320x180]

I can never hear the word Crossfire without remembering this.


If you're like millions of Americans, you've seen the Crossfire commercial over a hundred times but never seen (let alone played) the game. If that describes you, then you might enjoy this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wibltmswYU
 
2012-11-15 11:40:29 PM  
I'd be ok if it wasn't broadcast until Alaska came in. It's hardly nail-biting if you follow the numbers and facts. Sure, if you depend on Rove for your estimations it's a "Close Race". It really wasn't.

We could all vote until midnight and get results in the morning. More people get a chance to vote and the networks wouldn't have anything to do. Alaska closes early in the morning and we can just get up for it on the East Coast if we care for that.
 
2012-11-16 12:42:49 AM  
The networks have a balancing act.

Yes, they'll get big ratings if it's a horserace. But if they horserace ends too late, people shrug and go to bed.

Which is why major news networks called it at 11:10 or so. After the west coast polls closed, but not so long that people turned off their TVs figuring it wouldn't be decided that evening. What did that get them? Another hour or so of people watching the celebrations, the meltdown on FOX News (which was great TV) and a big sigh of relief as people, for the most part, got what they wanted.
 
2012-11-16 01:15:00 AM  

skinink: Here's Karl Rove trying to stop Ohio from being called for Obama:
[img37.imageshack.us image 480x360]
"Nein nein nein nein nein nein..."


Actually saw someone on Facebook claim that Obama got more popular votes in OH than there were registered voters.

I don't think he thought that one through. Obama only took 50.1% of the popular vote.
 
2012-11-16 02:44:19 AM  

Gawdzila: special20: HumanBeingsSuck: The only question now is, are the extremists about to eat the rest of the GOP alive?

I sure hope so. The GOP may have to take a lead from Teddy R, and split the party to reign in those who are truly conservative, but rational and fair minded. Sadly, that didn't work out for TR.

It won't be pretty for them in the short run, but in the long term I think it is necessary. There are two parties living inside the skin of one right now, and they're deeply conflicted. A split is going to have to happen eventually, the fight seems to pretty much be over who gets the Republican brand name.


Whoever doesn't get the Republican brand name should name their organization the Party of Theseus.
 
2012-11-16 02:45:21 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: I'd be ok if it wasn't broadcast until Alaska came in. It's hardly nail-biting if you follow the numbers and facts. Sure, if you depend on Rove for your estimations it's a "Close Race". It really wasn't.

We could all vote until midnight and get results in the morning. More people get a chance to vote and the networks wouldn't have anything to do. Alaska closes early in the morning and we can just get up for it on the East Coast if we care for that.


Are you thinking Alaska's going to swing an election? They only have 3 electoral votes and are a safe Republican state (for decades now).
 
2012-11-16 03:23:15 AM  
Y'all can do what you like but for me this is a non-issue: I don't watch TV or vote.
 
2012-11-16 07:26:36 AM  

HumanBeingsSuck: Come on, all people who are moderately intelligent understand that television's job is to entertain us.

A lot of us can "predict" things with surprising accuracy, even if we aren't Nate Silver.

Most of us can still willingly suspend our disbelief.

I don't believe for a minute that Republicans actually thought they had a good chance of winning the Presidency. What O'Reilly said about the white establishment now being a minority was meant to be a gentle nudge towards the truth, for the racists amongst the Fox News audience. Karl Rove was just leading by example, being disbelieving and then accepting of the facts.

They won't admit it, but Republicans do realize they need to rein in their extremists. The only question now is, are the extremists about to eat the rest of the GOP alive?



Not everything on television should be seen as fiction. If the news is not truthful, then what is it good for other than rabble rabble? The need for advertising and eyeballs doesn't excuse dishonesty.

If a sporting event is on television, does that mean it's OK to fix the outcome because it's just "entertainment"? Sorry but my standards for "news" haven't slipped into acceptance of the entertainment motive. I don't care if that's unrealistic.
 
2012-11-16 12:06:48 PM  
Media coverage on Election Day is basically fake. 

That's more like it.
 
2012-11-16 01:23:30 PM  
Headline should begin with "From the Ric Romero School of - - -"
 
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