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2012-11-15 12:29:22 PM
9 votes:

Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.


Well now you get that holy cleansing of undesirables you always wanted. All glory to the Hebrew state.
2012-11-15 12:39:35 PM
8 votes:
Hamas has committed a double war crime by deliberately launching rockets at civilian targets, while at the same time hiding among civilians. Israel is defending itself and its population.
2012-11-15 12:40:09 PM
6 votes:
According to this article, there were 451 rockets fired on Israeli civilian populations through October, and at least that many fired again this week alone.

I find it hard to blame Israel for wanting to take some action.
2012-11-15 12:41:55 PM
5 votes:

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.
2012-11-15 12:30:12 PM
5 votes:
I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.
2012-11-15 01:19:02 PM
4 votes:

mayIFark: Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.

Or, the best IDF can do to get an excuse to expedite their ethnic cleansing and genocide. It never seized to amaze me that all the rockets will 99.99% time fell somewhere where nothing will happen to no one (which is a good thing because they are civilians too). At the end, it always give them excuse to do what they want to do, steal more Palestinian land.


if Israel is trying to ethnically cleans the Palestinians they frankly suck at it. I mean the Jordanians have killed more back during Black September than Israel during both Intifidas [1][2]. Also Syria has killed 100s of Palestinians during the current uprising and has been actively targeting them, where is the outrage? Or is the outrage only when it involves Israel? everyone else has carte blanche to kill as many Palestinians as they want and deny them rights.

Either be consistent in what constitutes "genocide" (which has you know a legal definition as does ethnic cleansing) and what fair treatment of either the Palestinians or more broadly stateless ethnic groups is or admit you only care because the Jews are involved.
2012-11-15 12:55:22 PM
4 votes:
Perhaps with a new government in Egypt and Syrian spill-over, Hamas might think they can get away with stuff? I think they think that, and the people who do think that need to DIAF. And it looks like they might just do that.

Firing rockets into Israel like this is like self-nomination for a Darwin award. It's not agression by Israel, it's a form of suicide.
2012-11-15 12:40:41 PM
4 votes:

Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.


By get real, you mean go through their usual cycle.

Its not like this isn't fairly routine now. This same sudden escalation occurs either every 1, 2, or 3 years, basically. Things will blow up, people will die, the borders will be restored to their "last known best configuration" and the clock will be reset.

Is it something to be concerned about? Sure. But the bolded stuff above is a bit absurd for something that happens so frequently.

/you do live there, so I definitely get why its more hyped up for you, but as a third party on the far side of the world its not that I don't care, its that I am completely unsurprised.
2012-11-15 12:38:22 PM
4 votes:

dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?


They're like an ex-wife that just won't quit trying to fark up your life. Eventually you have to bring the hammer down hard to put an end to the nonsense.
2012-11-15 12:38:02 PM
4 votes:
It's a goddamn shame that a region once known for its vibrant, thoughtful, intelligent people and cultures has been turned into a hellish cesspool by stark raving lunatics.
2012-11-15 12:29:34 PM
4 votes:
So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.
2012-11-15 01:39:32 PM
3 votes:
Hamas wants to ensure that Bibi is re-elected in the upcoming election. As a radical hardliner, he helps their cause immensely.

If a peacenik (or even moderate or slightly sane centrist) PM was elected in Israel, there is a huge risk to Hamas that peace could break out, which is obviously not in their interests.

So the logical thing for them to do is exactly what they are doing, be as threatening and aggressive as possible, in order to ensure that their fellow hard-line loonies stay in power in Israel. They recognize that the real threat to extremists is not the extremists on the other side, since they both see things in extreme black & white terms, they actually share most elements of their worldview.

No, the threat to hardliners is the mushy middle. The pacifists on both sides who would rather talk, and build schools, hospitals and make life better for Israelis and Palestinians. Where's the profit and power in that? You keep power by keeping people afraid.
2012-11-15 01:37:34 PM
3 votes:
If the Hamas terrorists would lay down their weapons there would be peace, if Israel laid down their weapons there would be no more Israel.
2012-11-15 01:21:29 PM
3 votes:

JusticeandIndependence: Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.

No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.


George Carlin doesn't make fun of people grieving over their dead children. All you are is despicable.
2012-11-15 01:20:24 PM
3 votes:

queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good

and let them solve their own problems, on their own dime ?

FTFY
2012-11-15 01:04:03 PM
3 votes:

BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?


Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.
2012-11-15 01:01:03 PM
3 votes:
I'm not saying any escalation will happen. We don't know. Egypt's Prez wants to stroll through Gaza tomorrow...

But note to Gaza habitants.

When the lights go out, you lose your internet ? Then you better get away from those areas where they are launching and storing the rockets and mortars.

Leaflets have been dropped. You've been warned.

Iran's foward operating base just might get a hammerin'

/Just sayin'
2012-11-15 12:58:45 PM
3 votes:

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Or perhaps the world has blinders on.
2012-11-15 12:56:54 PM
3 votes:

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.
2012-11-15 12:55:53 PM
3 votes:

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


What percentage of the land in Palestine was owned by Palestinians, and what percent was owned by absentee landowners in Turkey?
2012-11-15 12:55:28 PM
3 votes:

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.
2012-11-15 12:52:41 PM
3 votes:

evoke: Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives


How is bulldozing homes "benevolent"?
2012-11-15 12:48:07 PM
3 votes:

Why Would I Read the Article: I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

When Israel is lying about the number of rockets fired.


Man you are so right it is all about the numbers of rockets fark the fact that they are launching rockets in the first place. I mean if it is only a couple of rockets into a civilian population center its ok.
2012-11-15 12:44:52 PM
3 votes:

evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.


Perhaps they should stop building settlements on land that isn't theirs, then?
2012-11-15 12:44:04 PM
3 votes:
Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.
2012-11-15 12:39:49 PM
3 votes:
Is everyone feeling good about the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza in 2005? I didn't think so. Nothing but trouble ever since.
2012-11-15 12:39:21 PM
3 votes:

topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.


Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.
2012-11-15 12:36:10 PM
3 votes:

GAT_00: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

Well now you get that holy cleansing of undesirables you always wanted. All glory to the Hebrew state.


We're done here.
2012-11-15 12:24:51 PM
3 votes:
Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.
2012-11-16 09:27:48 AM
2 votes:

Uncle Tractor: liam76: Lets say I lived in a county that was 90% white and 10% black, and there were huge swaths of empty land.

There's that colonistspeak again...


You have to be a colonist to acknowledge that some land is empty?

If I decide to buy an empty lot to build houses I am a colonist?

Uncle Tractor: No, the people who buy the land rent only to black people. (and to non-black workers when needed)


You have some documentation that they were refusing to sell to Arabs?

Uncle Tractor: So the white people get evicted to make space for black people.


Peopel who aren't paying as much get evicted to make room for peopel who are paying more. Or soem peopel leave because they don't like how the neighborhood looks now. Neither of those are ethnic cleanisng.

Uncle Tractor: When one landlord does it, it's an example of a racist landlord. When all the landlords do it, and they're all motivated by the same "living space" ideology (say, "blackonism"), it's ethnic cleansing. Your example is as dishonest as you are.


Once again, show me the proof that the owners of that land in Jordan and Turkey were refusing to sell to Arabs.


Uncle Tractor: Saying that empty land is up for grabs is the terra nullius argument.


I never said it was "up for grabs". I was saying it was empty. When jews bought it they had every right to let jews live there.

Pretending that jews can't buy empty land and can't allow other jews to move there, and that when they do they have no voice in govt is racism. Plain and simple.

Uncle Tractor: Jewish *owned* land. The land itself (Palestine) was arab.


By what standard? If there were one jew and 9 arabs in all of the British mandate would you say the entire area is 90% arab? Or would you use some common farking sense and realize that a lot of the land was empty.

Uncle Tractor: Then stop going on about the empty land.


Stop pretending empty land is arab.

Uncle Tractor: I'm clinging to the 90% figure because it's a fact. 90% of the population was arab. Some members of a european ethnicity (the ashkenazim, and yes, they are Jews) decided to make a country of their own, and to do so by buying property in Palestine and evicting those who weren't jewish. Also, the ashkenazim were very obnoxious to their non-ahskenazim neighbors.


I am not denying that 90% was, however it doesn't matter if most of the land is empty. It doesn't matter if the land is owned by other peopel who sold it to the jews.

Uncle Tractor: I'm amused at the way you keep tying yourself in knots to avoid answering this simple question:

How does one create a jewish homeland in an area where 90% of the population is arab


I answered it. Multiple times. However you are too stupid to realize just because ot one point 90% of the peopel in an arbitrary land being arab doesn;t mean that the country is chock full of Arabs, nor does it mean there isn't empty land jews can buy and move into.


Uncle Tractor: The whole area was Palestine. Some of it happened to be empty of people. That doesn't make it up for grabs. I'm sure there's some unoccupied space in your home. Would it be OK for you if someone moved in there?


Never said it was up for grabs. I said it was empty.

You, being the raging antisemite you are, thinks that jews shouldn't be allowed to buy empty land.

If my home was owned by someone else and the lease said nothing about who got to use my basement, the owner would be able to rent it out, or sell it. I wouldn't get veto power based on the race/religion of the person.
2012-11-15 04:57:15 PM
2 votes:

Bauer: every day...the world wakes up further and realizes that zionism is a disease.


Why don't you build your space ship and leave this "diseased" world then?
2012-11-15 03:06:34 PM
2 votes:

OnlyM3: [www.godgunsgutsglory.com image 408x312]


What does this have to do with him? And how many times do you need to be educated about how the NPP works and reminded that Obama himself wondered why he was given it?
2012-11-15 02:57:43 PM
2 votes:
I've been more curious about the ever continuing powerplay in the territories. And have been wondering how much of this is still due to the fight between Hamas and the PLO. Since Hamas boycotted the elections in October and the PLO didn't have a strong showing it seems like neither side really got an advantage so the stalemate continues. Link

Also it seems like Hamas has been having trouble keeping the other militant groups under control. Link

"A major Israeli attack on Gaza would not curb growing extremism in the Palestinian enclave, with the ruling Islamist group Hamas itself struggling to quell radicalism, a senior Israeli official said on Wednesday."

"Most of the activity is coming now not from Hamas," he said, adding that Islamic Jihad was receiving a relatively bigger share of the weapons that had "been pouring into Gaza".

And the Islamic Jihad is now claiming responsibility for the rocket attacks today. Link

The Quds Brigades hit the occupied city of Tel Rabea (Tel Aviv) with a Fajr 5 rocket causing a large explosion to shake the city," the group said in a brief statement, shortly after an AFP correspondent reported seeing a rocket land in the water south of the sprawling coastal city.

"What comes next will be greater," the statement added.
2012-11-15 02:47:14 PM
2 votes:
1) Everything is quiet for a long time
2) Israel assassinates the head of the Palestinian military, killing civvies, including a child, in the process
3) Hamas fires two rockets at Israel
4) OMFG PALESTINIAN AGGRESSION!!! ALL GLORY TO ZION LET US ANNIHILATE OUR FOES WITH A LEGITIMATE RETALIATORY DEFENSIVE INVASION!!!
2012-11-15 02:04:59 PM
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Armageddon tired of this

/we've re-elected the anti-christ, let's get it over with


Yeah, but that was back in 1984
2012-11-15 02:02:35 PM
2 votes:
just to clear a few things up:

Gaza = city
Gaza Strip = Israeli occupied Palestine, run by Hamas

Illegal Israeli settlements are in the West Bank

Gaza Strip /= West Bank
West Bank = Israeli occupied Palestine, run by the PA

Only port of entry for goods into the Gaza Strip is Kerem Shalom Crossing from Egypt (and some illegal tunnels)

Hamas = Dicks
Israelis = Dicks
2012-11-15 01:41:23 PM
2 votes:
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-(
2012-11-15 01:37:40 PM
2 votes:

GungFu: Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.


Well, to be fair, they don't fight over made up gods, they're much more rational than that, they hate each other over real-estate.

i.dailymail.co.uk
"I never thought our collective tacit approval of mutual arab-jew hatred would lead to the death of my child!! What a waste! I think I shall hate them more now!!!" 

/needed to be said.
2012-11-15 01:26:05 PM
2 votes:
It never ceases to amuse me to see the side reknowned for dropping white phosphorus muntions on schools and refugee camps complaining about the deliberate targetting of civilians.

Oh, no, sorry. I meant disgusts. My bad.


/both sides really are as bad as each other, so vote Bacon.
2012-11-15 01:21:27 PM
2 votes:

zedster: mayIFark: Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.

Or, the best IDF can do to get an excuse to expedite their ethnic cleansing and genocide. It never seized to amaze me that all the rockets will 99.99% time fell somewhere where nothing will happen to no one (which is a good thing because they are civilians too). At the end, it always give them excuse to do what they want to do, steal more Palestinian land.

if Israel is trying to ethnically cleans the Palestinians they frankly suck at it. I mean the Jordanians have killed more back during Black September than Israel during both Intifidas [1][2]. Also Syria has killed 100s of Palestinians during the current uprising and has been actively targeting them, where is the outrage? Or is the outrage only when it involves Israel? everyone else has carte blanche to kill as many Palestinians as they want and deny them rights.

Either be consistent in what constitutes "genocide" (which has you know a legal definition as does ethnic cleansing) and what fair treatment of either the Palestinians or more broadly stateless ethnic groups is or admit you only care because the Jews are involved.



Ethnic cleansing isn't just outright murder. Your tu quoque fallacy aside, Israel is a state that practices apartheid
2012-11-15 01:17:30 PM
2 votes:
Hamas et al (although today's missiles were courtesy of the Islamic Jihad, which has never been a signatory to any agreement with Israel) have been firing on Israel's South since Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The international community only feels sorry for civilians when they're Palestinian. The Israeli killed and wounded, homes destroyed, daily routine disrupted, goes largely unreported in the international press because the story isn't "sexy."

Sorry if we have better defenses - but that doesn't justify the Palestinian terrorists' actions.
2012-11-15 01:14:13 PM
2 votes:

doubled99: I can't believe how many of you actually attempt to argue which side is morally in the "right".


This is the same moron argument about ALL WARS. "OURS" is always the moral side. LOL
It is a war. People on both sides will die. Counting bodies is NOT how you decide who wins or who over reacted. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Today's wars are no longer fought on battlefields, they are fought in cities where there is LOTS of physical and human cover. LOL

Sorry, but it is a bit funny when your own soldiers use your house and your child as cover. The army certainly doesnt care if the civilians get hurt.

So what is the solution?
Pretend that this isnt the Israelis and the Gazans for a second.
It is the Star Bellied Sneeches versus the Bare-Bellies Sneeches.
How do you stop a war?
How do you stop an asymmetric war?
How do you root out an army which has dug-in inside of a city?

Funny, I used to remember hearing about suicide bombs/bombers in Israel. What happened to that?
Oh right, Israel built a wall between the three countries and patrol and defend that border now.
SHOCKING the suicide attacks went to virtually zero after doing that. Why is that??

Oh look, rocket attacks picked up after the suicide bombers were stopped.
You know, this is my NK and SK have such a large DMZ.
Much harder for the countries to interact.
2012-11-15 01:13:36 PM
2 votes:
I tried to find Tatsumas "Hurrah civilians died lets jump on a grassy hill" pic but could only find this

www.fbastard.com
2012-11-15 01:11:10 PM
2 votes:

coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.


I'm starting to think that the only reason we give them $16 billion for their "defense" budget every year is because we don't want anyone to call us Nazis. WWII was a tragedy and all, but I think we've done our share of the fighting now.
2012-11-15 01:09:54 PM
2 votes:

GungFu: BgJonson79: GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.

I dunno where you learned Theology, but they're the same Guy.


Jews dig Allah?


Of course. Allah = God = Yahweh. Christianity is the second version of Judaism, Islam is the third.

I find theological history fascinating.
2012-11-15 01:08:15 PM
2 votes:

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


t3.gstatic.com
2012-11-15 01:05:40 PM
2 votes:

GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.


I dunno where you learned Theology, but they're the same Guy.
2012-11-15 01:04:46 PM
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?


Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.
2012-11-15 01:04:22 PM
2 votes:
i.dailymail.co.uk

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.



Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.
2012-11-15 01:03:56 PM
2 votes:

BgJonson79: Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.


You think the US was much better? Christians in general disliked / hated jews all the way up to 1945-48, US or not.
2012-11-15 01:01:07 PM
2 votes:

TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.


A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them
2012-11-15 01:00:59 PM
2 votes:

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Just because something is "popular" or supported blindly doesn't make it right.
2012-11-15 01:00:22 PM
2 votes:

badaboom: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Or perhaps the world has blinders on.


Yes, thats it. Everyone around you is crazy. YOU'RE the sane one.
2012-11-15 01:00:17 PM
2 votes:
I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.
2012-11-15 12:59:37 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


I'm not so sure. The "occupation by settlers" worked for Egypt in the Gaza Strip up until 1967. It worked for Jorgan in the West Bank, as well. But then the Jordanian forces bugged out, left their "settlers" behind, and then revoked their Jordanian citizenship.

Of course, Israel was able to re-acquire the territory in just a matter of days, so maybe war does work better.
2012-11-15 12:57:52 PM
2 votes:

netweavr: Wicked Chinchilla: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

By get real, you mean go through their usual cycle.

Its not like this isn't fairly routine now. This same sudden escalation occurs either every 1, 2, or 3 years, basically. Things will blow up, people will die, the borders will be restored to their "last known best configuration" and the clock will be reset.

Is it something to be concerned about? Sure. But the bolded stuff above is a bit absurd for something that happens so frequently.

/you do live there, so I definitely get why its more hyped up for you, but as a third party on the far side of the world its not that I don't care, its that I am completely unsurprised.

People die during these escalations, you know...


and its a senseless, stupid tragedy that they do. But not surprising
2012-11-15 12:57:37 PM
2 votes:

sillydragon: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Great...now I have this picture in my head of Israel wearing a giant steel yarmulke.


You're not the only one.
2012-11-15 12:57:20 PM
2 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: What the fark am I reading??


It's not what you are reading, it's what you don't seem to know. Like the palestinian attacks on Israel that lead to the killing of Ahmed al Jaabari.
2012-11-15 12:55:17 PM
2 votes:

namatad: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

What's cute is that anyone thinks that Israel over reacts. It is a war, there is no over reaction. As long as the Gazan military targets civilians in Israel and hides amongst the Gazan population, there will be civilian casualties.

Why do we pretend that it isnt a war? Why do we pretend that civilians dont get hurt during a war?
If the Gazan warlords dont want civilians to get hurt, they should stay on military bases and not drive in cars with kiddies. LOL

Seriously. Do the Gazans WANT another occupation? While it SUCKS to be the average gazan, it also sucks that your democratically elected government has gone to war with another country.

Stop calling the militants. Pretending that your government is not in control is part of your problem.
Either they are not in control and therefore they are not a government, or they are in control and part of the problem.

If only there were some way for a government to control and stop its "civilians" from firing rockets.
And if you are not going to stop them, WHAT do you expect to happen in return?

WHOOPS, well NOW you are going to find out the hard way. AGAIN.

LOL


That's exactly what Hamas wants.

You've seen the extent of their long distance strike capability. Its efficacy leaves much to be desired. They want a ground intervention to get the Israelis bogged down in an urban environment which goes far in negating the vast firepower advantage Israel has. You can blame civilian deaths on the Iraeli's entirely (when both sides are at fault). Your light infantry forces equipped with some anti-tank weapons can actually be effective when you force them to fight in cramped alleyways at point blank ranges.

If you wanted a successful Gazan state, for the sake of the Gazans themselves, the money funneled to weapons and armaments would be used for infrastructure.

One thing is certain: the civilians in that area get a really, really, raw deal.
2012-11-15 12:51:43 PM
2 votes:

Comic Book Guy: Palestine prodded Israel


I am sorry, 'prodded'? They fired nearly 500 rockets in a month. 500. Hundreds in the last couple of weeks. And then you think Israel overreacts by striking 20 times at those trying to fire rockets? Are you serious?
2012-11-15 12:50:06 PM
2 votes:

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


What's cute is that anyone thinks that Israel over reacts. It is a war, there is no over reaction. As long as the Gazan military targets civilians in Israel and hides amongst the Gazan population, there will be civilian casualties.

Why do we pretend that it isnt a war? Why do we pretend that civilians dont get hurt during a war?
If the Gazan warlords dont want civilians to get hurt, they should stay on military bases and not drive in cars with kiddies. LOL

Seriously. Do the Gazans WANT another occupation? While it SUCKS to be the average gazan, it also sucks that your democratically elected government has gone to war with another country.

Stop calling the militants. Pretending that your government is not in control is part of your problem.
Either they are not in control and therefore they are not a government, or they are in control and part of the problem.

If only there were some way for a government to control and stop its "civilians" from firing rockets.
And if you are not going to stop them, WHAT do you expect to happen in return?

WHOOPS, well NOW you are going to find out the hard way. AGAIN.

LOL
2012-11-15 12:49:04 PM
2 votes:

evoke: Hamas has committed a double war crime by deliberately launching rockets at civilian targets, while at the same time hiding among civilians. Israel is defending itself and its population.


Of course. But the argument amongst sane people isn't that Israel shouldn't make use of its forces; it's that it should judiciously -- and wherever possible avoid civilian casualty -- use its forces against Hamas.

The whole "but they didn't care about Israeli civilians" argument doesn't really work when you're a first world nation and not a radical terrorist group.
2012-11-15 12:46:32 PM
2 votes:
eucalyptus.atlassian.net
2012-11-15 12:46:14 PM
2 votes:

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


Good luck, stay safe, but don't expect change.

/cynical? Absolutely. Its a shiat situation which will never be changed without a miraculous "come to jesus/mohammed/moses" by all parties or a mongoloid extermination of one of the militant parties, and neither is about to happen.
2012-11-15 12:46:03 PM
2 votes:

Wicked Chinchilla: The rockets are homemade, short ranged, have no guidance mechanisms, and small warheads.


Not a whole lot different than the original use of rockets - to terrify the absolute bejeesus of the people you aim them at.
2012-11-15 12:45:42 PM
2 votes:

Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.



Yeah, it's outrageous that Palestinians in the Hamas Ghetto would lash out at the party confining them in a large open air prison while preventing them from seeking gainful employment, receiving basic medical care, and obtaining basic necessities & materials.
2012-11-15 12:44:50 PM
2 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: This is the second time Israel has launched a Gaza war after an Obama election. I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message.

And they named the operation after a Bible verse, have no exit strategy, and won't say how this will actually solve anything. It's all so very, very George W. Bush/neo-cons circa 2003. But when has thinking with your d!cks ever gotten anyone in trouble?


Yea you are right is is so Israel's fault that Hamas is launching hundreds of rockets at civilian populated areas.
2012-11-15 12:43:01 PM
2 votes:
This is the second time Israel has launched a Gaza war after an Obama election. I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message.

And they named the operation after a Bible verse, have no exit strategy, and won't say how this will actually solve anything. It's all so very, very George W. Bush/neo-cons circa 2003. But when has thinking with your d!cks ever gotten anyone in trouble?
2012-11-15 12:42:43 PM
2 votes:

Comic Book Guy: We're done here.


I don't think we should close the thread because of one stupid comment.

dj_spanmaster: According to this article, there were 451 rockets fired on Israeli civilian populations through October, and at least that many fired again this week alone.

I find it hard to blame Israel for wanting to take some action.


Yeah, this is why this is happening. Nothing to do with elections, nothing to do with stupid propaganda, everything to do with us going 'Ok, farking enough'.

ichiban: I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


We have a great advance warning system, lots of bomb shelters and anti-rocket countermeasures
2012-11-15 12:42:31 PM
2 votes:
You know, the Mayans may not have predicted the end of the world in 2012, but god-damn it are we pushing so farking hard to get there!.

/Can't we wait to wage war on next year?
//Just so we can say "I told you so" to the 2012 doomsayers
2012-11-15 12:41:10 PM
2 votes:

dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?


Nah, what ever gave you that idea?

www.thegatewaypundit.com
2012-11-15 12:40:35 PM
2 votes:
the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?
2012-11-15 12:39:36 PM
2 votes:

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


It's tragic, but I've become comfortable with it.
2012-11-15 12:36:55 PM
2 votes:
Can we just blow them both up already and end this, Israel's not THAT good of a friend...
2012-11-15 12:36:34 PM
2 votes:

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."
2012-11-15 12:32:56 PM
2 votes:
Does Hamas have a deathwish?
2012-11-17 04:00:14 PM
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: liam76: The reason you are a raging anti-semite is that you don't believe that jews were allowed to buy that land or have a voice in the govt when they did.

...and you keep on making up shiat that I've never said.

Label it whatever you want, but if someone was saying that blacks can't buy land somewhere and when they did they couldn't have a say in govt, you would call it waht it was, racism.

Sure, and I'd say the same if we were talking about jews. You're just making shiat up again.


No I am not. I have said several times they can do this, and you have always cried "Terra Nullius" and pretended they couldn't.

Now you want to pretend that it was only because they were kicking arabs out of land they bought, which is a completely different stance. If I was a member of an Irish Gentleman's club and we won the lottery and all decided to buy condo's in florida and asked all the jewish renters to leave, is that ethnic cleanisng? Keep in mind that the arab population in what is no Israel/Palestine grew when all this "cleansing was going on.

Uncle Tractor: You mean the attacks carried out by Irgun, Haganah, and Lehi? Oh, right, it's not terrorism when zionists do it. Facts are, both sides were violent back then.


You realize the Arab revolts were before that, right?
2012-11-16 07:42:53 AM
1 votes:

give me doughnuts: JK47: I'm not even going to address the rest of your post since it's predicated on the false premise that Gaza is another country and not an occupied territory.

Occupied by whom? Just how many Israeli settlements to you think there are in the Gaza Strip? Or are you talking about the thousands of IDF troops that aren't in Gaza?


sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
2012-11-15 09:28:31 PM
1 votes:

Leeds: Anyone have any idea why Hamas picked now (specifically the past week) to provoke this fight?

I'm worried that it's because we reelected a weak president. But if that's honestly the case we're in for a hellish four years.

Anyone have any other guesses? UN posturing? A secret deal to bolster the brotherhood?


I would guess because of a few of those things i mentioned above. They have been in a power struggle with the PLO (Fatah in particular) and boycotted the recent elections where The PLO did not have a great showing. So a way to boost their own presence would be to start a dust-up with Israel. That also helps to draw away any attention that the PLO has been getting from the UN.

Second if the Islamic Jihad have been making some gains in power and control in Gaza this would help temper that and show Hamas is still the dominate force in the region. i would also guess that they have to unleash the militants under their control every once in awhile. I can't imagine all the people they have trained for war are too happy to just sit around and twiddle their thumbs.

As for Israel they had to respond. They couldn't ignore them any longer when Hamas decides to get this chippy. I would also imagine that they hope that it will bolster their party in the coming election.
2012-11-15 09:02:02 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Lunaville: Gwendolyn: Not if they have to take it from someone else.

But they didn't. The land Israel was granted was taken by the British. It was ceded to Israel so that Britain and the USA could avoid taking in so many Jewish refugees.


There were Jewish refugees in 1917?


Uh, yeah. Lots. Ever heard of a little thing called WWI? How about the Russian revolution? Y'know who REALLY liked pogroms? Everybody on every side of those little conflicts in the Jewish part of Russia and Poland.
2012-11-15 08:59:46 PM
1 votes:
Found this quote which seems to sum it up nicely...Link

"The current escalation in Gaza illustrates the point. The course of this conflict is actually fairly clear: Israel and Hamas will pound each other, and when the fighting stops each side will declare "victory." Israel will have degraded Hamas's military capacity, and Hamas will have killed some Israeli civilians, disrupted life in southern Israel, and lived to fight another day. There will be a lull in the violence, and the clock will start ticking until the next confrontation. The idea of making peace -- real, lasting peace -- will not occur to the leaders in the region."
2012-11-15 08:55:16 PM
1 votes:
Do unto others what has been done to you.

The genocide is on the other foot now, right Jews? Wouldnt you just like to put all those filthy, low life Philistines into labor camps, subjugate them, humiliate them? In Israel's eye's they are still Goliath and David is swinging his sling. Perpetual underdog heroes, tiny Israel.
2012-11-15 08:37:51 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: Spot on.


piss off, coont.

I want Israel to stop killing arabs. you just want arabs to kill more Israelis.
2012-11-15 07:16:52 PM
1 votes:
This is the worst Israeli thread ever. All I see are words. Where are pics of IDF girls?
2012-11-15 06:41:21 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: liam76: These are my favorite threads. I favorite all the Anti-Semites. Then I get to see the same people in other threads supporting progressive ideas like homosexual or women's rights. You know. The things that are tolerated in the Muslim world and denounced in Israel. The Progressives have no idea that they are hated by the Islamofascists and would among the first to go under the Caliphate.

I am pretty sure Amos isn't a fan of gays, and would probably vote republican hands down due to their stance on women's rights and gays, if they weren't so pro-Israel.

But I get your point.


Um, I voted for Obama, and I have NO issues with gays or anyone marrying whoever they wish. That said, I'm not a "progressive" either, I don't subscribe to anyone's "platform". I do and say what I believe are in the best interests of myself, my family, my nation, and humanity as a whole.

I'm also no fan of Islam - nor of Christianity, Judaism or ANY religion - especially the Abramic faiths - who rape, pillage, murder and spoil blood in the name of "God".

FARK THAT.

But what I detest most of all is hypocrisy, and the Zionist State takes the cake - they continue to bellyache and whine about how they SUFFERED under Christianity, the SUFFERED under Islam, the SUFFERED under Naziism, and then they turn around to be ten times the intolerant, racist, bigoted, ruthless child of hell that they incessantly moan about.

Zionism was a BAD IDEA from day one. All you have to do is look at the history of how it was conceived, schemed into existence at an extreme price, and the fact that it is and always has been surrounded by resentful, bristling neighbors - and will be for the foreseeable future, and you can see that this is true.

I don't know how this will end, but it won't be pretty. Not for the Israelis, not for their neighbors, and not for the rest of the planet.
IMO Israel is indeed a pariah, and the single greatest obstacle to peace on the planet - the fuse that will set off the Big One.

...



Looks like Amos even believes in the blood libels.
2012-11-15 06:39:35 PM
1 votes:

liam76: These are my favorite threads. I favorite all the Anti-Semites. Then I get to see the same people in other threads supporting progressive ideas like homosexual or women's rights. You know. The things that are tolerated in the Muslim world and denounced in Israel. The Progressives have no idea that they are hated by the Islamofascists and would among the first to go under the Caliphate.

I am pretty sure Amos isn't a fan of gays, and would probably vote republican hands down due to their stance on women's rights and gays, if they weren't so pro-Israel.

But I get your point.



Um, I voted for Obama, and I have NO issues with gays or anyone marrying whoever they wish. That said, I'm not a "progressive" either, I don't subscribe to anyone's "platform". I do and say what I believe are in the best interests of myself, my family, my nation, and humanity as a whole.

I'm also no fan of Islam - nor of Christianity, Judaism or ANY religion - especially the Abramic faiths - who rape, pillage, murder and spoil blood in the name of "God".

FARK THAT.

But what I detest most of all is hypocrisy, and the Zionist State takes the cake - they continue to bellyache and whine about how they SUFFERED under Christianity, the SUFFERED under Islam, the SUFFERED under Naziism, and then they turn around to be ten times the intolerant, racist, bigoted, ruthless child of hell that they incessantly moan about.

Zionism was a BAD IDEA from day one. All you have to do is look at the history of how it was conceived, schemed into existence at an extreme price, and the fact that it is and always has been surrounded by resentful, bristling neighbors - and will be for the foreseeable future, and you can see that this is true.

I don't know how this will end, but it won't be pretty. Not for the Israelis, not for their neighbors, and not for the rest of the planet.
IMO Israel is indeed a pariah, and the single greatest obstacle to peace on the planet - the fuse that will set off the Big One.

Shalom, baby.
2012-11-15 06:05:08 PM
1 votes:

madgonad: Yeah, I'm going to need to start getting your newsletter


Maybe his newsletter can explain who was responsible for the rockets from Gaza. I don't like going to stormfront to read his newsletter, and he won't answer so if you get the answer I would appreciate if you share with he class.
2012-11-15 05:59:48 PM
1 votes:

liam76: Amos Quito: These are all easily referenced facts. And this is why Fark's Village Idiot liam76 claims that "I think Jews were behind the Holocaust".

No I think that because you said

1- Jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the events that made Israel possible.
2- Israel wouldn't have been possible without without the holocaust.

You have admitted those a number of times.

As 2 clearly states (and isn't too controversial, at least with an Israel as we know it) one of the events that made Israel possible is the holocaust, 1 clearly states that (according to you) Jews in general and zionists in particular were behind those events, hence you think Jews in general and zionists in particular were behind the Holocaust.

/there is also your claim that if their was no Hitler zionists would have manufactured one
//and you previous claim that all of zionism was a conspiracy
///have fun calling me the village idiot for pointing out the conclusion to your derp


These are my favorite threads. I favorite all the Anti-Semites. Then I get to see the same people in other threads supporting progressive ideas like homosexual or women's rights. You know. The things that are tolerated in the Muslim world and denounced in Israel. The Progressives have no idea that they are hated by the Islamofascists and would among the first to go under the Caliphate.
2012-11-15 05:44:40 PM
1 votes:

Psycat: I always thought a better solution after WWII would have been to have the Jews emigrate to Australia instead of settling in the Palestine. Australia had a desperate need of immigrants at the time, Queensland would have about the same climate as the Mideast, and the Jews would have a lot of land in a democratic country in which to settle. Unfortunately, people have a strong attachment to their ancestral lands and the crumbling British empire needed an ally in the area, so now we have this never-ending mess...



Prior to WWII the Jews of Europe had no yearning to go to Palestine.

Zionist leaders had been trying for decades to con European (and American) Jews into moving there- but with very little success. Why? They were perfectly content as Europeans, and wanted nothing to do with some wild-eyed scheme to form a "Jewish Homeland" in the middle of a stinking desert that was already occupied by people who weren't exactly keen on the idea of being overrun by European interlopers.

In fact, so few Jews moved there that the Zionist Dream of creating a Jewish State was all but doomed. Were it not for Hitler literally FORCING the Jews out - and the fact that Palestine was virtually the only option, the Zionist Dream would have crashed.

WWII and the Holocaust was an unimaginable disaster for Jews, but a godsend for the Zionists - for without these events, they would never have had enough Jewish souls to start their little country.

These are all easily referenced facts. And this is why Fark's Village Idiot liam76 claims that "I think Jews were behind the Holocaust". 

LOL!
2012-11-15 05:37:32 PM
1 votes:
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is an exercise in abandoning moral ascendancy for ever-diminishing returns.

Palestinians: I don't give a fark how much of your land they're taking. Walking into a pizza parlor and blowing up explosives or shooting rockets blindly into civilian populations is wrong.

Israelis: Palestinian militants have done their best to drag you down to their level and you've played right into it. Sniping individuals in the Church of the Nativity? Farking seriously?

I mean, it's land, people. LAND. Not particularly wonderful land either.
2012-11-15 05:20:56 PM
1 votes:

Sargun: Sargun: Why the fark aren't any news channels covering this

Thank jesus fark for CNNI


Don't really watch news, but CNN
NPR was all over it today. Kind of bothered me that one of their reporters asked an expert if they thought Israel's actions would lead to an all out war and glossed over the fact that Gaza has launched over 150 rockets at civilian areas, which sounds an awful lot like all out war to me.
2012-11-15 05:17:15 PM
1 votes:
I think anyone who seriously believes there is some kind Zionist conspiracy is an idiot.

The Zionist Conspiracy
Are the rumors true that Jews are planning to take over the world's governments and banks?

Spoilers: No.

tl;dr Podcast Link
2012-11-15 05:14:45 PM
1 votes:

Bauer: badaboom: Bauer: every day...the world wakes up further and realizes that zionism is a disease.

So what's your "cure"?

liberty for all.

it will happen, eventually.
-people crave justice.

in the court of public opinion, worldwide, the zionists are a pariah.
their time is almost up.
there will be economic repercussions...and that will be something the "united states" will not be able to veto, at the un.

personally?
i would tear it all down.
without justice...there will be no peace.
if there is a mandate for a two state solution...there will need to be a restructuring of the land.
connect gaza and the west bank...and work it out.
-there will never be a two state solution with the way things are laid out now.
it's geographically impossible.

redistrict...isolate...and move on.


amerisrael.typepad.com
2012-11-15 05:10:19 PM
1 votes:
the zionists fear free and fair elections.

they fear the same "numbers" that president obama faced.

it's always about the numbers.

-if there were fair elections in a "unified", free nation...they might have a chance at real peace.

they wouldn't be the bully in the sandbox anymore.

one way or another, this is going to happen.
2012-11-15 05:08:15 PM
1 votes:

Amos Quito: liam76: Amos Quito: Actually the timing of this little escapade is VERY convenient for Netanyahu and the Likudniks

So you think the jews were behind the rockets coming from Gaza like you think they are behind the holocaust?


I think you're going to be a lying Hazbarat troll in this thread... just like in every other thread, liar76.


And I think you are being butthurt because I am pointing out your BS.

Pretty warped of you tho think a country getting rockets lobbed at it is convenient. Of course since that country is filled with jews we all know everything you think about it is going to be warped.

Bauer: Bauer: liam76: Bauer: every day...the world wakes up further and realizes that zionism is a disease.

Why don't you build your space ship and leave this "diseased" world then?

nice.

so you are admitting that zionism rules the whole planet?

lol


No, I am pointing out you are a crazy person who thinks they can build a spaceship. No idea you were also nuts enough to think zionism ruled the whole planet instead of just pulled strings in the US wrt the ME. Sounds like more reason for you to fly away spaceman.
2012-11-15 05:04:09 PM
1 votes:

Sargun: Why the fark aren't any news channels covering this


Thank jesus fark for CNNI
2012-11-15 05:02:02 PM
1 votes:
Why the fark aren't any news channels covering this
2012-11-15 04:56:50 PM
1 votes:

liam76: Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Lived, but didn't own.

If a landlord evicts everybody of one ethnicity to make room for tenants of another ethnicity, he or she is a racist.

When all the landlords in a region does this, it's ethnic cleansing.


What is racist is to say that jews can't own land some where because they are jews, and that jews can't have a voice in how a govt should be formed in a place they live where they own the land.


and the converse of that is also true.

The situation isn't easily solved, but Hamas shouldn't be firing rockets into Tel Aviv or the other towns.
2012-11-15 04:27:41 PM
1 votes:

Lunaville: Gwendolyn: Not if they have to take it from someone else.

But they didn't. The land Israel was granted was taken by the British. It was ceded to Israel so that Britain and the USA could avoid taking in so many Jewish refugees.

I feel both sides deserve both blame and sympathy. Neither state has exactly conducted itself according to Ghandian principles. Both populations were put between a rock and hard place by more powerful forces. I don't think the average person wants war. I have come to suspect that, though an international issue, war and this war in particular, is still another issue that can be accurately laid at the feet of the one percent. There are rare individuals who benefit and are enriched by these conflicts while the common people suffer.


I don't think it's the arms dealers who provoke this (although they likely do make a killing).

It's the fact that both the Jews' God and the Muslims' God are bloodthirsty pig-farking bastards.
2012-11-15 04:26:51 PM
1 votes:

TrollingForColumbine: Are you say that jews were never slaves in egypt or that they were not slaves during the building of the pyramids?


They pyramids are from the fourth dynasty of the Old Kingdom, about 2500 BC. That's pretty old. My understanding of Judaism is that it began sometime in the 1st millennium BC. ...so just by the dates, the Jews could not have built the pyramids -- by a gap of about 1500 years.
2012-11-15 04:19:56 PM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: Raharu: It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

That's because they weren't considered Jews until after Moses marched them around the desert for a generation.



I'm still baffled that after 40 years of hanging out in a desert, (arguably one of the shiattiest types of places on the planet) they gave up and decided to just stay in a desert from then on.

If I was given 40 years to walk anywhere I wanted I could probably choose just about any place in Africa, Europe or Asia. There are some seriously lush, fertile, wonderfully beautiful places in all of those continents. But Moses said "Eff it, a desert is good enough for me." What a dumbass.
2012-11-15 04:09:09 PM
1 votes:

ZzeusS: I've never seen Arabs use dead bodies to fake news items before. Do you have any others? Somebody better tell the UN.


... aaaand I'm done here.
2012-11-15 04:02:58 PM
1 votes:

StashMonster: evoke: Hamas has committed a double war crime by deliberately launching rockets at civilian targets, while at the same time hiding among civilians. Israel is defending itself and its population.

er ... you do know that Israel began attacking the Gaza Strip YESTERDAY, right?


You do know Hamas started launching missles into Isreal 3 days before that right?
2012-11-15 03:49:06 PM
1 votes:
Wow, hated on for pointing out a common misconception about the pyramids and not saying anything bad about Israel what so ever, even pointing out that Israel has this whole matter well in hand.
2012-11-15 03:31:07 PM
1 votes:

Red_Fox: Raharu: theresnothinglft: hdhale: Hetfield: Tatsuma: That's actually a complete myth. There were never Jewish slaves in Egypt...

You mean to tell me that something religious people would say isn't true? No freakin way!!!!


Way.
2012-11-15 03:28:07 PM
1 votes:
The pyramids we're constructed a good thousand years before any El worshipers wandered into the Nile delta
2012-11-15 03:27:48 PM
1 votes:

Gwendolyn: Not if they have to take it from someone else.


But they didn't. The land Israel was granted was taken by the British. It was ceded to Israel so that Britain and the USA could avoid taking in so many Jewish refugees.

I feel both sides deserve both blame and sympathy. Neither state has exactly conducted itself according to Ghandian principles. Both populations were put between a rock and hard place by more powerful forces. I don't think the average person wants war. I have come to suspect that, though an international issue, war and this war in particular, is still another issue that can be accurately laid at the feet of the one percent. There are rare individuals who benefit and are enriched by these conflicts while the common people suffer.
2012-11-15 03:27:31 PM
1 votes:

Raharu: theresnothinglft: hdhale: Hetfield: Tatsuma: That's actually a complete myth. There were never Jewish slaves in Egypt...


You mean to tell me that something religious people would say isn't true? No freakin way!!!!
2012-11-15 03:24:21 PM
1 votes:
Can we at least agree that Iron Dome is pretty farking amazing?
2012-11-15 03:21:16 PM
1 votes:

Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers.


That is pretty much what the article I linked to said as well.
2012-11-15 03:17:33 PM
1 votes:
this just in: violent organisms compete for territory.

5 billion year old news.

feel free to attach your specific ideological significance.
2012-11-15 03:17:27 PM
1 votes:

Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -


The Pyramids were built by paid workers.
2012-11-15 03:16:59 PM
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: Uncle Tractor: You think the US was much better? Christians in general disliked / hated jews all the way up to 1945-48, US or not.

I'm sure you polled all of those folks back then.


No, I just read some history. I even linked to some of that history. Christians have been killing jews ever since Constantine. The holocaust was just the most recent climax.
2012-11-15 03:14:26 PM
1 votes:
Wipe each other off the map, please.
2012-11-15 03:10:16 PM
1 votes:
SSDD*

*Same shiat, different decade...

I'm kinda biased towards Israel because they're the only real secular democracy in the area, but I definitely don't have anything personal against Palestinians, either. On the OTOH, both sides should shoot a missile at Tatsuma's mother's basement because that dude has a Troll Annoyance Factor of 3.5 Bevets. What's with the Japanese name, BTW?

No, this is just the same tiresome crappola that's been going on since long before 1947 and it's getting tiresome. I was rooting for Yitzhak Rabin to finally achieve lasting peace until some right-wing fanatic assassinated Rabin and farked things up completely. Right now, I've kinda given up on any permanent peace in the Mideast and my main concern is that this doesn't go nuclear.

We've somehow managed to go the last 67 years without using nukes against people in spite of several close calls. Inevitably, nukes are going to be used somewhere, and right now the most likely spot is in the Mideast. More likely, it would come from this rocket event progressing to a land war, especially if Iran or Egypt get involved, and Israel retaliating by using one of its nukes on Tehran or Cairo. If America and Russia stay out and this doesn't escalate into nuclear Armageddon right away, I can imagine the backlash. Look how horrified the world was when under 3,000 people died on 9-11; imagine how much worse it would be if half a million civilians get fried.

I'm just glad I'm not in that benighted part of the world right now...*sigh*
2012-11-15 03:10:11 PM
1 votes:
One other interesting bit is that the Islamic jihad is backed by Iran...Link

"Hamas no longer participates with the mujahideen," says Abdullah Shami, a veteran of Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), a more militant rival faction, which increasingly presents itself as the genuine article; Iran, the PIJ's keenest backer, supports it as an insurance policy in case Hamas abandons the battle altogether.
2012-11-15 03:07:50 PM
1 votes:
Tel Aviv-Jaffa lies some 60 kilometres (36 miles) north of the Gaza Strip. Fajr 5 rockets have a range of up to 75 kilometres (46 miles).

Man, this place is tiny.
2012-11-15 03:06:07 PM
1 votes:

Tellingthem: I've been more curious about the ever continuing powerplay in the territories. And have been wondering how much of this is still due to the fight between Hamas and the PLO. Since Hamas boycotted the elections in October and the PLO didn't have a strong showing it seems like neither side really got an advantage so the stalemate continues. Link

Also it seems like Hamas has been having trouble keeping the other militant groups under control. Link

"A major Israeli attack on Gaza would not curb growing extremism in the Palestinian enclave, with the ruling Islamist group Hamas itself struggling to quell radicalism, a senior Israeli official said on Wednesday."

"Most of the activity is coming now not from Hamas," he said, adding that Islamic Jihad was receiving a relatively bigger share of the weapons that had "been pouring into Gaza".

And the Islamic Jihad is now claiming responsibility for the rocket attacks today. Link

The Quds Brigades hit the occupied city of Tel Rabea (Tel Aviv) with a Fajr 5 rocket causing a large explosion to shake the city," the group said in a brief statement, shortly after an AFP correspondent reported seeing a rocket land in the water south of the sprawling coastal city.

"What comes next will be greater," the statement added.


Really? Interesting.

A power play, perhaps? Weaken Hamas to strengthen IJ? Oh boy.
2012-11-15 03:05:24 PM
1 votes:

Jim from Saint Paul: willyfreddy: [torontoist.com image 640x266]

Interesting report from the Real News

/very disturbing image of 3 year-old girl that was burned alive
//viewer discretion is advised
///SERIOUSLY

I hate this planet.


I love this planet. The people infesting it like a melanoma made of crazy monkeys, not so much.
2012-11-15 03:05:19 PM
1 votes:

R.A.Danny: corronchilejano: netcentric: Link

good recovery

Yeah... hope this girl (NSFW nor soul) gets one too.

You mean the one they threw into the fire so they could blame Israel?


Citation Needed.
2012-11-15 03:00:02 PM
1 votes:

Tellingthem: I've been more curious about the ever continuing powerplay in the territories. And have been wondering how much of this is still due to the fight between Hamas and the PLO. Since Hamas boycotted the elections in October and the PLO didn't have a strong showing it seems like neither side really got an advantage so the stalemate continues. Link

Also it seems like Hamas has been having trouble keeping the other militant groups under control. Link

"A major Israeli attack on Gaza would not curb growing extremism in the Palestinian enclave, with the ruling Islamist group Hamas itself struggling to quell radicalism, a senior Israeli official said on Wednesday."

"Most of the activity is coming now not from Hamas," he said, adding that Islamic Jihad was receiving a relatively bigger share of the weapons that had "been pouring into Gaza".

And the Islamic Jihad is now claiming responsibility for the rocket attacks today. Link

The Quds Brigades hit the occupied city of Tel Rabea (Tel Aviv) with a Fajr 5 rocket causing a large explosion to shake the city," the group said in a brief statement, shortly after an AFP correspondent reported seeing a rocket land in the water south of the sprawling coastal city.

"What comes next will be greater," the statement added.


Huh, and here I thought Hamas was finding themselves under their martyr quota for the year. Interesting.
2012-11-15 02:59:13 PM
1 votes:

Tommy Moo:

1) Everything is quiet for a long time never.
1.5 Addedum) Hamas fires rockets into Israel killing citizens.
2) Israel assassinates the head of the Palestinian military, killing civvies, including a child, in the process precision targets the head of the Hamas as they warned they would do, killing him.
3) Hamas fires two rockets at Israel.
4) OMFG PALESTINIAN AGGRESSION!!! ALL GLORY TO ZION LET US ANNIHILATE OUR FOES WITH A LEGITIMATE RETALIATORY DEFENSIVE INVASION!!!

WWIII is on, freakin' Mayans again!!!

/fixed
/nice trollin'
2012-11-15 02:54:10 PM
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: 1) Everything is quiet for a long time Hammas fires hundreds of rockets at Israeli civilians.
2) Israel assassinates the head of the Palestinian military, killing civvies, including a child, in the process
3) Hamas fires two rockets at Israel
4) OMFG PALESTINIAN AGGRESSION!!! ALL GLORY TO ZION LET US ANNIHILATE OUR FOES WITH A LEGITIMATE RETALIATORY DEFENSIVE INVASION!!!


How hard is it to check this one little fact? Obviously too hard for your limited congitive functions.
2012-11-15 02:49:48 PM
1 votes:
I wonder how much Israel pays these guys to shoot these ineffective rockets.

Only one party will benefit from this. So, let's center all of our news reports around their claims about rocket attacks and casualties. If rocket attacks didn't exist, it would be necessary for Benji the Butcher to invent them.

The Zionist has a history of killing even its own people in furtherance of politcal goals or more land.

What 90 innocent people killed by hardcore Israel-Firsters dressed as Arabs may look like:

www.bollyn.com
2012-11-15 02:45:44 PM
1 votes:

madgonad: Most of the rockets being fired are the older Katusha rockets. They have a 30lb bomb in them and would blow-up a room in a house or a single vehicle pretty easily. They only occasionally kill people because a victim has to be within about 10-15' to likely get a lethal chunk of the blast.

Now the new Grads have triple the payload and almost triple the range. They have about the same warhead as a 155mm artillery shell. If one hits your house directly, it would blow out a side and kill/injure everyone inside. A hundred pounds of explosives will do that.

So the rocket threat is unlikely to do massive damage, but the V1s and V2s didn't do that much real damage either. They are a weapon of terror against a civilian populace, not a military weapon since they are effectively unguided.


Thank you for this.
2012-11-15 02:39:11 PM
1 votes:

theresnothinglft: hdhale: Hetfield: Tatsuma: A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them

History has shown that when it comes to protection, God always sides with the Jews.

Pray on.

Except for this one period in Europe where they were systematically rounded up and...ok multiple periods and multiple locations, where they were shot, gassed, stabbed, deported, blown up, exiled, etc.

Being God's Chosen People is hard.

/my prayers to all in harm's way and hopes for a just peace, though when it comes to this region of the world, I'm afraid I'm a bit of a pessimist

Ok so how long were the Egyptians enslaving the Jews in the old testament before God bailed em out? Had to be at least as long as WW2 lasted. Probably longer than that really. Oh and guess what... the guys who tortured Jews still lost in the end.


That's actually a complete myth. There were never Jewish slaves in Egypt..

Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?
It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids.


tl;dr? Try the Podcast Link - CLICK HERE TO LISTEN.
2012-11-15 02:32:58 PM
1 votes:
Israelis are moving more troops towrds Gaza and getting ready to call us the reserves. Awesome.

:/
2012-11-15 02:32:18 PM
1 votes:
Most of the rockets being fired are the older Katusha rockets. They have a 30lb bomb in them and would blow-up a room in a house or a single vehicle pretty easily. They only occasionally kill people because a victim has to be within about 10-15' to likely get a lethal chunk of the blast.

Now the new Grads have triple the payload and almost triple the range. They have about the same warhead as a 155mm artillery shell. If one hits your house directly, it would blow out a side and kill/injure everyone inside. A hundred pounds of explosives will do that.

So the rocket threat is unlikely to do massive damage, but the V1s and V2s didn't do that much real damage either. They are a weapon of terror against a civilian populace, not a military weapon since they are effectively unguided.
2012-11-15 02:24:57 PM
1 votes:
OK, everybody back to their corners. Hamas, you agree to acknowledge Israel's existence and stop bombing them. Israel, you acknowledge you took their land by force simply because you wanted it, pay Palestinians a yearly tax for the land, remove all settlements that are disputed. Deal?

/If at any point either side mentions "God giving us the land" we send that side to Mars... one way.
2012-11-15 02:21:55 PM
1 votes:

Leeds: Raharu: [imageshack.us image 660x393]

Leeds: Thank goodness we have a Nobel Peace Prize winner in the Oval Office.

Obama will step in and take care of everything!!!

Butt Mad Partisan Shill / Hack like typing detected!

Also why would The President get involved? Israel knows what its doing and has this well in hand.

Lighten up, Francis, it was meant as a joke.

But in all reality I doubt that anyone can fix this problem.

Religious people don't seem to have the ability to work through their problems logically.



You have to watch what you say sometimes or you end up looking like this Leeds.
anongallery.org

I do agree with your point however.
2012-11-15 02:20:08 PM
1 votes:
Does anybody else feel like this shiat jumped the shark years ago?
2012-11-15 02:20:06 PM
1 votes:

give me doughnuts: JK47: I'm not even going to address the rest of your post since it's predicated on the false premise that Gaza is another country and not an occupied territory.

Occupied by whom? Just how many Israeli settlements to you think there are in the Gaza Strip? Or are you talking about the thousands of IDF troops that aren't in Gaza?



Okay Gaza is under military siege and has been for years.

If you liked the Warsaw Ghetto, you'll LOVE Gaza.
2012-11-15 02:16:11 PM
1 votes:
Remember kids, Our magic sky wizard is the best magic sky wizard and he wants you to kill anyone who won't accept it. Cause he loves everyone.

/farking idiots.
//BOTH sides.
2012-11-15 02:16:00 PM
1 votes:

namatad: Holocaust Agnostic: No state has any particular right to exist, they either do or they don't according to the actions of their supporters and detractors.

Existence is.
The "right" is irrelevant.

Israel exists. End of story.
It is the same story for every other country in the world.
The US exists. Did it have the right to kill all the natives and take all the land?
Who cares, it happened, it is over, and millions of people live here now bathing in the spoils of those wars.

WARS are all about land grabs. (yes, I know, there are other kinds of wars, but for this argument, we are talking about the traditional wars used to build countries)

HELL, the US exists because we illegally went to war with england and stole their rightful land.
Every side in a war justifies their actions. Some of those justifications are less lame than others.


...OK?

The question I was answering was "should the Jews have a state?". The answer in no. No group should or shouldn't have a state.

If you were to ask specifically do I think that the actually existing state of Israel should remain a Jewish state, that would also be "no". But that's a practical matter. It is demographically implausible. The Jews in Israel are being to badly outbred. Remaining a Jewish state eventually means actively disenfranchising or purging Muslims. And that's bad juju.
2012-11-15 02:15:43 PM
1 votes:

Raharu: [imageshack.us image 660x393]

Leeds: Thank goodness we have a Nobel Peace Prize winner in the Oval Office.

Obama will step in and take care of everything!!!

Butt Mad Partisan Shill / Hack like typing detected!

Also why would The President get involved? Israel knows what its doing and has this well in hand.


Lighten up, Francis, it was meant as a joke.

But in all reality I doubt that anyone can fix this problem.

Religious people don't seem to have the ability to work through their problems logically.
2012-11-15 02:13:06 PM
1 votes:

Hetfield: Tatsuma: A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them

History has shown that when it comes to protection, God always sides with the Jews.

Pray on.


Except for this one period in Europe where they were systematically rounded up and...ok multiple periods and multiple locations, where they were shot, gassed, stabbed, deported, blown up, exiled, etc.

Being God's Chosen People is hard.

/my prayers to all in harm's way and hopes for a just peace, though when it comes to this region of the world, I'm afraid I'm a bit of a pessimist
2012-11-15 02:10:11 PM
1 votes:
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
2012-11-15 02:07:33 PM
1 votes:

Tommyknocker2121: Raharu: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better then nothing.

It's a method to preserve ammunition.

It tracks the rockets in flight and only intercepts those that it thinks will be landing in populated areas. IIRC each battery only has something like 20 interceptors before it has to reload.


That's pretty neat!
2012-11-15 02:03:15 PM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


www.german-helmets.com


What Israel's "Iron Dome" might look like.
2012-11-15 01:54:29 PM
1 votes:

BgJonson79: That's what I mean about the history of it all. Waaaayyyy back in college I took a course on the Arab-Israeli conflict and learned a ton about the history of it all. Jordan and Palestine were one big group of people and one sorta province of the Ottoman Empire, until they lost WWI and the British got the Mandate of Palestine and they broke it up into differing states. Jordan was called Trans-jordan, IE, the other side of the Jordan (al-Urdun) River. Same ethnic group, other side of the river.


You missed my point. The palestinians who lived west of the Jordan ... lived west of the Jordan. Creating a palestinian homeland somewhere else would do them no good. Some people don't mind picking up and moving at the drop of a hat (or at the whim of some government), but if your family has lived in the place for centuries, you might not be so keen on leaving. Particularly when it's somebody else telling to move.
2012-11-15 01:54:16 PM
1 votes:

Holocaust Agnostic: No state has any particular right to exist, they either do or they don't according to the actions of their supporters and detractors.


Existence is.
The "right" is irrelevant.

Israel exists. End of story.
It is the same story for every other country in the world.
The US exists. Did it have the right to kill all the natives and take all the land?
Who cares, it happened, it is over, and millions of people live here now bathing in the spoils of those wars.

WARS are all about land grabs. (yes, I know, there are other kinds of wars, but for this argument, we are talking about the traditional wars used to build countries)

HELL, the US exists because we illegally went to war with england and stole their rightful land.
Every side in a war justifies their actions. Some of those justifications are less lame than others.
2012-11-15 01:52:18 PM
1 votes:

Gleeman: rue. I'm usually in the 'Can't we all just get along' camp, but at this point there is so much bad blood on both sides it's probably best to have the rest of the world turn their backs for 7 days and see who's left standing in the rubble


That already happened in 1967.
*snicker*
2012-11-15 01:51:48 PM
1 votes:
Oh, so Tats slithered out from the hole in the wall, huh?

Here you go, chucklefark. Here's the holy war you've been wanting for so long. Choke on it; it's only real people, after all.
2012-11-15 01:50:31 PM
1 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.

As we all know, the planet didn't exist prior to 1350 BC. Or, more realistically, such arguments suck.


that's_the_point.jpg

True. I'm usually in the 'Can't we all just get along' camp, but at this point there is so much bad blood on both sides it's probably best to have the rest of the world turn their backs for 7 days and see who's left standing in the rubble.
2012-11-15 01:49:55 PM
1 votes:
My ancestors, over two billion years ago, when they were Eukaryote, inhibited that area.. SO ITS TIME TO MOVE OUT MUSLIMS AND JEWS.
2012-11-15 01:45:55 PM
1 votes:

Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.


1) I love you for putting this list together.
2) I pick 2354 BC just to fark both sides over.

I do find it cute that Muslim side always picks the piece of cake which looks best to them.
We arent siblings/friends learning to share. It is the game of thrones and the one with knife wins.
2012-11-15 01:45:16 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

Well now you get that holy cleansing of undesirables you always wanted. All glory to the Hebrew state.


And the thread goes to derp in 2 comments. I present you, GAT_00, with the speedy derp award. Wear it proudly!
2012-11-15 01:43:31 PM
1 votes:

Sultan Of Herf: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.

Nah, not enough thinly veiled political motivations against Mexico. They have no oil. Theres no legacy to finish daddy war, nothing that motivates modern America.


[quizzical_dog.jpg]
Mexico makes it the sixth largest producer of oil in the world and the tenth largest in terms of net export as of 2007. It is the second largest oil producer in the Western Hemisphere behind only the United States and just ahead of Canada.
2012-11-15 01:43:16 PM
1 votes:

DammitIForgotMyLogin: It never ceases to amuse me to see the side reknowned for dropping white phosphorus muntions on schools and refugee camps complaining about the deliberate targetting of civilians.

Oh, no, sorry. I meant disgusts. My bad.


/both sides really are as bad as each other, so vote Bacon.


MEH
I find it impossible to get upset when we discus "illegal" and war in the same sentence.
I find the "idea" of legal and illegal during war as a bit silly. As an attempt to civilize war, to make it less deadly.

It is a great idea in theory, but I am guessing that that theory will be severely tested in the next 100 years as wars continue to become more urban-asymmetric conflicts and less battlefield stand up fights.

Look at how upset those brits got when the americans refused to stand in rows and get shot at!!
LOL
2012-11-15 01:42:09 PM
1 votes:
Ok, so Hamas fired eleventy billion rockets at Israel.

I'm curious about the rockets.

We know the Gaza Strip isn't big. 25 miles long, 6 miles wide, borders the Mediterrenean on the northwest, Israel on the northeast, southeast and shares a small border with Egypt on the southwest.

What sort of rockets are they using?

The Qassam rocket.

upload.wikimedia.org

Their range?

upload.wikimedia.org

Their cost? $800 per rocket (according to wiki).

These things suck. I mean they fail all the time, apparently. And from this image, they look like metal bottle rockets.

upload.wikimedia.org

Hamas should spend more time building infrastructure with that money. At the same time, Isreal relies on scaring the absolute sh*t out of Americans with the 'oh they are launching a jillion rockets at us' as if they were ICBMs or Patriot missiles.
2012-11-15 01:39:25 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: I_C_Weener: One time my learned father said about the USSR becoming just Russia, "That area has always been ruled by dictators nothing will change."  That seems to apply to the middle east.  That area has always been run by tribal hate, always will be.
 
I think they call it Balkanization.

No, it hasn't always been ruled by "tribal hate". Perhaps I'm taking your words too seriously because I've studied the region, but it's simply not true.



Either as part of a conquering empire, or tribalization.  Nothing in between really.  An adult keeping the kids from tearing each others throats out or complete anarchy.  Sure, its a generalization but other than recently (Turkey) the area has been run by tribes or dictators.  AND THEY LIKED IT!
2012-11-15 01:37:49 PM
1 votes:

BgJonson79: Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.


Jordan is Jordan, not Palestine. Anyway, what good is Jordan for the palestinians who live west of the Jordan?
2012-11-15 01:37:04 PM
1 votes:
This is a plan to destroy Israel in an attack from all sides.
The Palestinians start cooking things up and Israel takes the gloves off.
Everyone to the north of Israel (From Hezbollah to everone who's in Syria (gov't, rebels, al-queda, others)) stops fighting each other and turns their anger south. Then the slightly shaky Egypt joins in, pushed by internal and pulled by external forces, in an all-out attempt at a final solution of wiping Israel off the map.
2012-11-15 01:35:32 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.

I actually expect Israel will annex both the West Bank and Gaza once this round is done.


Well if they can't play nice they don't get to keep nice things.

Recognize Israel's right to exist, drop the violence, kiss a few assess of the powers that be, and live in peace..... or something they should have tried 50 years ago. They have only continued to lose land doing it their way but just maybe it can work this time.

Facepalm.jpg
2012-11-15 01:35:05 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Firing rockets at civilians?

I think they're both asshats.
Of course, as one of many siblings, and having observed my own children, this is the scenario* that comes to mind (maturity level properly inferred):
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it. I'm serious.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it. That hurts.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it, or I'll smack you.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: *SMACK*
Little Sib: MMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!


*Except when it comes to Gaza/Hamas and Israel, human beings die.
2012-11-15 01:34:47 PM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: One time my learned father said about the USSR becoming just Russia, "That area has always been ruled by dictators nothing will change."  That seems to apply to the middle east.  That area has always been run by tribal hate, always will be.
 
I think they call it Balkanization.


No, it hasn't always been ruled by "tribal hate". Perhaps I'm taking your words too seriously because I've studied the region, but it's simply not true.
2012-11-15 01:34:02 PM
1 votes:

BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


No.
2012-11-15 01:33:52 PM
1 votes:

SithLord: chiefsfaninkc: Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.

It looks like the entire Mideast has erupted into a shiatstorm since Obama took office.

But hey, we got universal healthcare.


t3.gstatic.com

Sooooooo.... By your logic, 9/11 was due to what?
2012-11-15 01:32:47 PM
1 votes:

BgJonson79: It's absolutely relevant. If (generic) your landlord sells his building that (generic) you live in to someone else and they turn it into a Walmart, that's how it goes. You can't do what you want with someone else's land. The Turks sold it all off when they lost WWI.


Yeah, and when the landlords sell all the land to people of one specific ethnicity and evict everybody of another ethnicity, you've got yourself a massive ethnic cleansing. See?

Now, how does one create a jewish homeland in an area where 90% of the population is arab?
2012-11-15 01:31:39 PM
1 votes:

Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.


As we all know, the planet didn't exist prior to 1350 BC. Or, more realistically, such arguments suck.
2012-11-15 01:30:36 PM
1 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?



I love it how your analogy completely ignores the fact that a lot of Palestinians are religious yahoos who think that blowing yourself up in a crowded market is a one way ticket to heaven.
2012-11-15 01:26:18 PM
1 votes:

namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)


Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.
2012-11-15 01:26:08 PM
1 votes:

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.


People wouldn't have so much of a problem if Israel annexed Gaza (well some would, surely). The problem is Israel wants the land but doesn't want the people that live on it to have any sort of rights or anything. Israel needs to come to terms with the fact that is is either going to have give back land, grant full citizenship to all residents of Israeli controlled land, or be an apartheid state. Of course there are details that are the hangup, but those are seriously the only options politically in the long run.

I'm all for Israel's right to defend itself and I agree that this is definitely a justified response SO FAR. I have my doubts if it will stay that way and have a sneaking suspicion white phosphorous rounds will end up in urban areas very soon. Israel has a habit of taking "defense" to mean "massively escalate".
2012-11-15 01:23:29 PM
1 votes:

Buffalo77: GAT_00


topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back.

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Do you just make crap up, post it and then behold your work as if you are some type of analyst.

Can't remember who said it about you but it was to the effect "GAT I see you post alot on this site and have noticed most of the time you don't know what you are talking about"

Now thats an analyst.


Which of his points are not true? The settlements? War as a means of Israeli land grabs? Because both of those things are absolute fact, no matter your interpretation of who's right or wrong (for which the correct answer is: both).
2012-11-15 01:23:17 PM
1 votes:

BgJonson79: Who did they take the land from? Hint: Palestinians lived there, but owned very little. Why do you think so few have deeds?


Let me rephrase the question:

upload.wikimedia.org

How does one create a jewish homeland in an area where more than 90% of the population is arab? Before you start, I don't give a crap about deeds and ownership. It's just not relevant.

As for living groups, there's a lot of planet, and usually homogeneity tends to results in less problems. The alternative is de facto genocide.

There's a lot of planet, sure, and it's all taken.
2012-11-15 01:22:11 PM
1 votes:
Is israel going to do anything other some minor millitary action and return fire? No? Then everything is routine, nothing changed and be prepared for this story to come around again in a year or two. This isnt even news any more, this is like declaring that the seasons have changed, yea no shiat thanks for the update. Is the sky still blue? Simply put, we dont care. Oh look they are killing each other, still.....call us when they start a mass extermination of civillians.

Oh WAIT a 100 people might get killed?!??! yea add 3 zeros and maybe its worth a fark headline. farking drama queen nations of the planet need to step up their game if they want to make the news.

/oh look tat has his own thread again....shocker
2012-11-15 01:21:27 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?


Your taxes go up to pay for their bullets.
2012-11-15 01:20:27 PM
1 votes:

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?


Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?
2012-11-15 01:18:08 PM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.


Don't pretend you don't have a boner. No doubt you'll donate a few bucks to humanitarian aid so you can buy a little moral credibility.
2012-11-15 01:17:18 PM
1 votes:
Here's a recap of the situation, acted out by cute animals:-
Link
/Israel is the cat
2012-11-15 01:16:59 PM
1 votes:
so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?
2012-11-15 01:16:57 PM
1 votes:

Gwendolyn: An oppressed people are passed off at the slow genocide committed on them through starvation, illness, poverty, and illegal settlement. I'm sure if the Native Americans had rockets back in the 1800s they would have been lobbing them at the Calvary too.


So you admit that ALL countries today exist on the dead (or assimilated) backs of the previous owners of the land?

Yah, kind of sucks, but that is humanity.

The only proper solution to the mideast problem is to send ALL of them back to africa and give the land back to the goats. (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)
2012-11-15 01:16:37 PM
1 votes:

kindms: This is all BS. The other difference this time around is that Egypt isn't under our complete control, they could easily make this situation much much worse.



Hahahaa...giggle Egypt can't and won't do shiat.
Hezbollah ? ..... won't do shiat.
2012-11-15 01:16:18 PM
1 votes:

Brontes: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.

That is a horrible analogy. What if the US were building settlements on Mexican American land with US checkpoints dotted over the country along the border. Now Mexico fires rockets into the US. That is a little closer.


Even closer.
2012-11-15 01:15:33 PM
1 votes:

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Aim for areas near buildings, but usually uninhabited at that time of day. Both Israel and Hamas look like they're trying to minimize casualties.
2012-11-15 01:15:27 PM
1 votes:

mayIFark: Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?

Of course the one whose name you write on the "TO: " field of your check.


We should just sell nukes to both of them -- the really big multi-megaton cold-war era ones. ...and along with the nukes can come a free, complimentary truck-load of PCP.
2012-11-15 01:15:22 PM
1 votes:

Gwendolyn: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7435967/80714200#c80714200" target="_blank">Uncle Tractor</a>:</b> <i>BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?</i>

The goal should not be ethnic groups getting more segregated.


Then the result is one big culture, and a loss of all others.
2012-11-15 01:15:19 PM
1 votes:

Brontes: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.

That is a horrible analogy. What if the US were building settlements on Mexican land with US checkpoints dotted over the country. Now Mexico fires rockets into the US. That is a little closer.


I see where you're coming from, but I was heading in a different direction. I meant it as a question of metered retaliation and justified force. Whether you're at my house or your house shouldn't change my reaction to you punching me in the face 169 times. The US wouldn't take it, and I don't think it's fair that people balk at Israel for not standing down and taking it. That's all I meant.
2012-11-15 01:14:37 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.

Cuba started building nuclear missiles. How did we react, again?


um... Cuba did not build nuclear missiles during the Cuban missile crisis. Russia was importing them on boats that were blocked by a US navel blockade. Russia was also funding the construction of the launch sites in Cuba.

We were hours away from going full on MAD over it.
2012-11-15 01:14:23 PM
1 votes:
The fecal matter has interacted with the ventilation impeller.
2012-11-15 01:14:18 PM
1 votes:
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7435967/80714200#c80714200" target="_blank">Uncle Tractor</a>:</b> <i>BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?</i>

The goal should not be ethnic groups getting more segregated.
2012-11-15 01:13:57 PM
1 votes:
Not a repeat from 1948, 1967, 1973, 2002, etc.?


/Probably would have the same outcomes
2012-11-15 01:13:43 PM
1 votes:

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


i46.tinypic.com
2012-11-15 01:11:40 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


This would be the wholesale acquistion of land that Israel evacuated in 2005?
2012-11-15 01:11:30 PM
1 votes:

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


Are we currently taking cubans land despite saying we wouldn't, and refusing to allow other cubans to returns to their homes that we previously took?
2012-11-15 01:11:02 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: Brontes: coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.

Armenians?

*quizzical dog look* They have their own state.


Sorry, was giving an example of Armenians having their own state and being an ethnic group.
2012-11-15 01:10:49 PM
1 votes:

Why Would I Read the Article: But what's the latest with Patraeus?

He evidently changed the spelling of his name, for one....


I did a Google search and found 3.3 million hits for Patraeus, so I vote we let Subby off the hook on misspelling it.

Not Subby.

Although I am a bit peeved that three point three million hits with the wrong spelling makes it really hard for me to make a joke about Patraeus being dead since 200 B.C or whatever.

At the moment many of the conspiry theorists are trying to work up conspiracies based on the Latin-sounding name of Petraeus, some connecting it to Saint Malachy's prophecies of the Last Pope (No. 112 in his list of "future" popes), who would be Petrus Romanus (Pope Peter the Roman).

Since Benedict XVI is Pope 111 in this list, we've got one more to go, and probably sooner rather than later, seeing as Benedictus is 86 years old and looking kinda ghoulish.

Not that I believe in the prophecies of Saint Malachy, who I often call Saint Malarky before I can think of his name. He's Irish, too, so Saint Malarky is appropriate I think. There needs to be at least one Saint Malarky in the Church Calendar somewhere, even if he is only unofficial.

I nominate Saint Malarky as the Patron Saint of Liars, Fools, Morans, people who talk twaddle, Farkers, Talking Point propagandists, and Lawyers. The truthiness shall set you free to believe any old crap you want.

I nominate Saint Emygdius of Sienna as the Patron Saint of homosexuals. Look him up and you'll figure out why for yourself.
2012-11-15 01:10:40 PM
1 votes:

kindms: F-ing Netanyahu assassinated the head of the Hamas security forces, One of the people actually capable of keeping all the factions inline to kick off this latest round of BS. He did it in the lead up to elections.

This is all BS. The other difference this time around is that Egypt isn't under our complete control, they could easily make this situation much much worse.


By getting their asses kicked by Israel again? In any case the U.S. should do exactly jack shiat. This is not, and has never been, our problem.
2012-11-15 01:10:10 PM
1 votes:

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


The entire country would be crying for the use of nuclear weapons against Cuba.

/'nuke em till they glow' would be the chant from American citizens.
//or 'remember 9/11. never again. Nuke em till they glow.'
2012-11-15 01:09:50 PM
1 votes:

BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?


Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.
2012-11-15 01:08:44 PM
1 votes:

BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?


No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?
2012-11-15 01:08:15 PM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.


Or, the best IDF can do to get an excuse to expedite their ethnic cleansing and genocide. It never seized to amaze me that all the rockets will 99.99% time fell somewhere where nothing will happen to no one (which is a good thing because they are civilians too). At the end, it always give them excuse to do what they want to do, steal more Palestinian land.
2012-11-15 01:08:05 PM
1 votes:

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


Cuba started building nuclear missiles. How did we react, again?
2012-11-15 01:07:49 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: topcon: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?

Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.

Doesn't change the fact that Netanyahu is still a hyper conservative douchecanoe.


Point being, Israel is a LOT more liberal than any majority Islamic country, period.
2012-11-15 01:07:30 PM
1 votes:
I think we should just stand back and let Israel do what they like.

They are more then capable of handling Hamas on their own.

Hamas will be crying uncle inside of a week and Israel say "and if you do it again, we will hand your ass to you once more" then go back to Israel.
2012-11-15 01:07:26 PM
1 votes:

CygnusDarius: Yeah, that's a counterpoint from any international position here: "how can we support X if we have Y problem right here?". It makes sense, but in the long run it can be counter-productive.


Well, practically, what could Mexico do? Other than add a vote to an opinion poll, of course. Knowing that a country nearly 8000 miles away agrees with your stance as Israel marches their very prepared and very eager army into Gaza is... well... nothing.
2012-11-15 01:07:16 PM
1 votes:

jshine: Subby jokes, but at least the Patraeus story isn't as old as my grandparents.


For F*CKS SAKE spell his name right.
2012-11-15 01:07:10 PM
1 votes:
If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.
2012-11-15 01:06:41 PM
1 votes:

topcon: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?

Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.


Doesn't change the fact that Netanyahu is still a hyper conservative douchecanoe.
2012-11-15 01:06:34 PM
1 votes:
F-ing Netanyahu assassinated the head of the Hamas security forces, One of the people actually capable of keeping all the factions inline to kick off this latest round of BS. He did it in the lead up to elections.

This is all BS. The other difference this time around is that Egypt isn't under our complete control, they could easily make this situation much much worse.
2012-11-15 01:06:21 PM
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

You think the US was much better? Christians in general disliked / hated jews all the way up to 1945-48, US or not.


Luckily, lots of people have learned of the mistakes of the past. Just not everyone.
2012-11-15 01:06:20 PM
1 votes:

Brontes: coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.

Armenians?


*quizzical dog look* They have their own state.
2012-11-15 01:06:06 PM
1 votes:
Subby jokes, but at least the Patraeus story isn't as old as my grandparents.
2012-11-15 01:05:03 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.


I absolutely agree :-D
2012-11-15 01:04:55 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: I actually expect Israel will annex both the West Bank and Gaza once this round is done.


shudder
While you might be right, HOW does Israel manage them then?
Military curfew.
House to house searches for weapons and militants.
Rounding up anyone with a gun or looks like a bad guy.

I guess with enough soldiers and enough casualties you could do this in Gaza.
Kind of like steaming the rug in your living room, move EVERYONE to one side of the country, sweep and replace as you go.

I would imagine that there would be a lot of complaining while this was going on. Rock throwing and what not.


Scorched Earth.
2012-11-15 01:04:29 PM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: I am sorry, 'prodded'? They fired nearly 500 rockets in a month. 500. Hundreds in the last couple of weeks. And then you think Israel overreacts by striking 20 times at those trying to fire rockets? Are you serious?



Well since both Gaza and the West Bank are Occupied Territories and Israel is the Occupying Power you are ultimately responsible for this mess. Israel has given Palestinians exactly ZERO reasons to feel anything but hatred towards Israel. Economic restrictions, travel restrictions, importation restrictions, fuel shortages, incursions & attacks that leave a bodycount many times higher than anything Palestinians are capable of. Of course Palestinians are going to attack Israel...they have nothing to live for, nothing to do, and the party responsible lies right next door. If Palestinians did nothing Israelis would still enjoy a quality of life that's tremendously better than what Palestinians can achieve. If the Palestinians lash out nothing really changes for them (conditions will continue to suck) but it makes things just a bit more miserable for Israelis.

That's the risk/reward outcome that Israeli policy has encouraged. So yeah, this shiat is all your (collectively) fault.
2012-11-15 01:04:22 PM
1 votes:

CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more


a large number of South American countries have government officials, especially in their foreign affairs departments with middle east ties
2012-11-15 01:03:45 PM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.

A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them


I think this is the one issue we both disagree with. But, I think both we can agree that innocents on both sides have suffered enough, and this needs to resolved like civilized men.
2012-11-15 01:03:05 PM
1 votes:

BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?


No?
2012-11-15 01:01:59 PM
1 votes:

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.


That is a horrible analogy. What if the US were building settlements on Mexican land with US checkpoints dotted over the country. Now Mexico fires rockets into the US. That is a little closer.
2012-11-15 01:00:57 PM
1 votes:

TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.


Oh god, are they alright? They could've heard a small pop! That's terrifying!
2012-11-15 01:00:42 PM
1 votes:

BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


Why?
2012-11-15 01:00:31 PM
1 votes:

JK47: Yeah, it's outrageous that Palestinians in the Hamas Ghetto would lash out at the party confining them in a large open air prison while preventing them from seeking gainful employment, receiving basic medical care, and obtaining basic necessities & materials.


wait wait wait wait wait wait
I am confused.
Are you saying that Gazans have the right to work in Israel? Because that is the most retarded thing that I have ever heard and I watched the GOP primary.

No one in a foreign country has a right to work in another country. period.

Sucks that these two neighboring countries are at war, but people die in war, people suffer in war.
Strange, hasnt Egypt been much better off since they signed a peace treaty with Israel?

I am not suggesting that Gaza will ever sign a peace treaty with Israel, nor would the Gazan government ever be professional enough to stop its army from attacking Israel.

/Yes - Gaza is a country. Yes - the militants are the Gazan army. Pretending otherwise doesnt change reality. Yes - the sooner that the rest of the world stop pretending, the sooner that we have less lying in the reporting.
2012-11-15 01:00:27 PM
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shower_in_my_socks: " I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message."

Sadly, I'm thinking this has more to do with it than anything. It's not like the rockets are a *new* thing. And it's not like the uptick in launches were unprovoked.
I mean, wtf would anyone *expect* after you live-tweet the assassination of one of their leaders and pre-announce your intentions to invade and directly occupy?
Right or wrong, you've escalated things and can't really use a response as justification for your initial action.
2012-11-15 12:58:42 PM
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Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.


Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?
2012-11-15 12:57:26 PM
1 votes:

Treygreen13: hbk72777: I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?

If we're going by past conflicts, 7:1.


Everyone knows that when betting on Jews you assume you'll get 8:1 returns, not 7
2012-11-15 12:56:35 PM
1 votes:
i0.kym-cdn.com
2012-11-15 12:56:22 PM
1 votes:

hbk72777: I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?


If we're going by past conflicts, 7:1.
2012-11-15 12:55:58 PM
1 votes:
"The escalation of this conflict would be in no one's interest..."

Won't someone think of the international arms dealers! Peace might be fine for some people, but it doesn't buy many gold plated limousines - especially in these tough economic times.
2012-11-15 12:55:29 PM
1 votes:

Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."


So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.
2012-11-15 12:53:49 PM
1 votes:
I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?
2012-11-15 12:53:10 PM
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CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more


The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.
2012-11-15 12:52:57 PM
1 votes:
This will be another tragic and needless event in a region where this has become the norm and I'd love it if someday leadership on both sides can both take responsibility for the wrongs their side has commited as well as demonstrating a true interest in compromise and a path forward.

I'd love to believe that society everywhere will progress to become more and more secular and once the deep rooted religious spects get dropped people can take a serious look at their history and future without having everything obstructed by these crazy notions of gods and divine rights, but I'm not gonna hold my breath on that.
2012-11-15 12:52:27 PM
1 votes:

mootmah: CygnusDarius: Glendale: pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits

Fark's very own Israel vs. Hamas proxy fight.

What ever happen to czarangelus?.

Got hammered I think.


Permabanned years ago.
2012-11-15 12:52:23 PM
1 votes:
Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?
2012-11-15 12:52:12 PM
1 votes:

CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more


Maybe if they ask the Zetas nicely they'll get some real political support behind the Mexican Government.
2012-11-15 12:50:25 PM
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evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.


I actually expect Israel will annex both the West Bank and Gaza once this round is done.
2012-11-15 12:49:59 PM
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cameroncrazy1984: evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.

Perhaps they should stop building settlements on land that isn't theirs, then?

That's in the west bank, not Gaza. Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives. Launching deadly rockets against civilians isn't.
2012-11-15 12:49:44 PM
1 votes:
Tatsuma:
I don't think we should close the thread because of one stupid comment.

It does seem to neatly encapsulate what the motivating factors are, though. Palestine prodded Israel, Israel escalated further with 20(!) airstrikes, Palestine escalated further from the targeted assassination of one of their leaders, and so on.

Yes, a response is warranted when you're being fired upon by Katushyas. Using that response as a cover to escalate further is just that, escalating further. Seeing as this whole conflict is essentially founded on religion anyway, and GAT's comment isn't so stupid after all.
2012-11-15 12:49:22 PM
1 votes:
The latest on Petraeus? Well a rocket exploded in his pocket, and now he is preparing to enter Broadwell.
2012-11-15 12:49:16 PM
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Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


Great...now I have this picture in my head of Israel wearing a giant steel yarmulke.
2012-11-15 12:48:48 PM
1 votes:

Glendale: pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits

Fark's very own Israel vs. Hamas proxy fight.


What ever happen to czarangelus?.
2012-11-15 12:46:10 PM
1 votes:
I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

When Israel is lying about the number of rockets fired.
2012-11-15 12:45:27 PM
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WhoopAssWayne: Good headline. Democrats are definitely hoping for as much death and destruction as possible to get away from Patraeus and the other assorted liberal scumbags involved in that scandal. Total pieces of sh*t are just begging for this kind of dog-wagging.


The General is a Republican. As are the weirdo twins. I have no idea what his biographer's political affiliation is.
2012-11-15 12:45:19 PM
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With claims that Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people, defence officials said Israel was prepared to launch a ground invasion into Gaza if necessary.


So far, at least 15 people, including Mr Jaabari, have been killed in more than 50 Israeli airstrikes - codenamed Operation Pillar Of Defence. Two young children were also among the dead.

Izzy has not reached their ordinary quota of 1 Israeli worth 10 'rabs one being a child yet, they will continue airstrikes until at least 1 more child and 14 adults are killed
2012-11-15 12:43:21 PM
1 votes:

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


The rockets are homemade, short ranged, have no guidance mechanisms, and small warheads.

Put a hand grenade on an over-sized hobby rocket and you have a crude idea of what they are launching. They aren't exactly lobbing scuds over the wall.
2012-11-15 12:43:01 PM
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queezyweezel: the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?


Yeah, but unreported are the number of jeeps that have rolled.
2012-11-15 12:42:30 PM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.


Good thing it hit the water... those rockets would probably destroy at least a few Yaffa blocks.
2012-11-15 12:42:09 PM
1 votes:

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


near simulpost on topic..
2012-11-15 12:41:38 PM
1 votes:

Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?


Asteroids?
2012-11-15 12:40:23 PM
1 votes:
Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?
2012-11-15 12:40:06 PM
1 votes:
This will not end well.
2012-11-15 12:38:08 PM
1 votes:
Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?
2012-11-15 12:37:59 PM
1 votes:
Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.
2012-11-15 12:37:58 PM
1 votes:
Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits
2012-11-15 12:37:53 PM
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dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?


Yes--maybe it's time to finally grant it.
2012-11-15 12:35:21 PM
1 votes:
Nobody post before.... oh, wait.

Carry on.
 
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