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2012-11-15 01:34:02 PM  

BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


No.
 
2012-11-15 01:34:36 PM  

queezyweezel: JusticeandIndependence: queezyweezel: JusticeandIndependence: Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.

No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.

George Carlin doesn't make fun of people grieving over their dead children. All you are is despicable.

1. I wasn't making fun of him at all.
2. This is Fark, grow the fark up. People joke all the time around here.

The guy making light of a man crying while holding his dead child is telling me to grow up, and justifying it because other people do it too...wow.


I'd like to see how comments on a thread about one of Dubay's daughters dying in a car accident would turn out.
 
2012-11-15 01:34:38 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?

35 foot twinkies weighing 600 lbs for everybody


You don't follow business news I see.
 
2012-11-15 01:34:47 PM  

I_C_Weener: One time my learned father said about the USSR becoming just Russia, "That area has always been ruled by dictators nothing will change."  That seems to apply to the middle east.  That area has always been run by tribal hate, always will be.
 
I think they call it Balkanization.


No, it hasn't always been ruled by "tribal hate". Perhaps I'm taking your words too seriously because I've studied the region, but it's simply not true.
 
2012-11-15 01:35:05 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

No.


¿Por que no?
 
2012-11-15 01:35:05 PM  

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Firing rockets at civilians?

I think they're both asshats.
Of course, as one of many siblings, and having observed my own children, this is the scenario* that comes to mind (maturity level properly inferred):
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it. I'm serious.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it. That hurts.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it, or I'll smack you.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: *SMACK*
Little Sib: MMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!


*Except when it comes to Gaza/Hamas and Israel, human beings die.
 
2012-11-15 01:35:27 PM  

queezyweezel: JusticeandIndependence: queezyweezel: JusticeandIndependence: Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.

No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.

George Carlin doesn't make fun of people grieving over their dead children. All you are is despicable.

1. I wasn't making fun of him at all.
2. This is Fark, grow the fark up. People joke all the time around here.

The guy making light of a man crying while holding his dead child is telling me to grow up, and justifying it because other people do it too...wow.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:35:32 PM  

GAT_00: evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.

I actually expect Israel will annex both the West Bank and Gaza once this round is done.


Well if they can't play nice they don't get to keep nice things.

Recognize Israel's right to exist, drop the violence, kiss a few assess of the powers that be, and live in peace..... or something they should have tried 50 years ago. They have only continued to lose land doing it their way but just maybe it can work this time.

Facepalm.jpg
 
2012-11-15 01:36:02 PM  

BgJonson79: You have more faith in humanity than I do, it would seem :-D


Even the most homogenous places are surprisingly varied once you look past the mainstream culture. At least in the cities, where there is room for subcultures.
 
2012-11-15 01:36:03 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

No.


Aren't you late for your Klan rally?
 
2012-11-15 01:37:04 PM  
This is a plan to destroy Israel in an attack from all sides.
The Palestinians start cooking things up and Israel takes the gloves off.
Everyone to the north of Israel (From Hezbollah to everone who's in Syria (gov't, rebels, al-queda, others)) stops fighting each other and turns their anger south. Then the slightly shaky Egypt joins in, pushed by internal and pulled by external forces, in an all-out attempt at a final solution of wiping Israel off the map.
 
2012-11-15 01:37:06 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: SithLord: chiefsfaninkc: Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.

It looks like the entire Mideast has erupted into a shiatstorm since Obama took office.

But hey, we got universal healthcare.

[t3.gstatic.com image 199x253]

Sooooooo.... By your logic, 9/11 was due to what?


Israel citizens reported by a van near the attack site.

Link
 
2012-11-15 01:37:12 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Sooooooo.... By your logic, 9/11 was due to what?



The Jews?
 
2012-11-15 01:37:14 PM  

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: You have more faith in humanity than I do, it would seem :-D

Even the most homogenous places are surprisingly varied once you look past the mainstream culture. At least in the cities, where there is room for subcultures.


Yeah, I live in NH...
 
2012-11-15 01:37:34 PM  
If the Hamas terrorists would lay down their weapons there would be peace, if Israel laid down their weapons there would be no more Israel.
 
2012-11-15 01:37:40 PM  

GungFu: Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.


Well, to be fair, they don't fight over made up gods, they're much more rational than that, they hate each other over real-estate.

i.dailymail.co.uk
"I never thought our collective tacit approval of mutual arab-jew hatred would lead to the death of my child!! What a waste! I think I shall hate them more now!!!" 

/needed to be said.
 
2012-11-15 01:37:48 PM  

coco ebert: Brontes: coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.

Armenians?

*quizzical dog look* They have their own state.


Nothing personal, but that one was appropriately under the belt.
 
2012-11-15 01:37:49 PM  

BgJonson79: Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.


Jordan is Jordan, not Palestine. Anyway, what good is Jordan for the palestinians who live west of the Jordan?
 
2012-11-15 01:39:03 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.

As we all know, the planet didn't exist prior to 1350 BC. Or, more realistically, such arguments suck i hate facts.


FTFY
 
2012-11-15 01:39:25 PM  

coco ebert: I_C_Weener: One time my learned father said about the USSR becoming just Russia, "That area has always been ruled by dictators nothing will change."  That seems to apply to the middle east.  That area has always been run by tribal hate, always will be.
 
I think they call it Balkanization.

No, it hasn't always been ruled by "tribal hate". Perhaps I'm taking your words too seriously because I've studied the region, but it's simply not true.



Either as part of a conquering empire, or tribalization.  Nothing in between really.  An adult keeping the kids from tearing each others throats out or complete anarchy.  Sure, its a generalization but other than recently (Turkey) the area has been run by tribes or dictators.  AND THEY LIKED IT!
 
2012-11-15 01:39:32 PM  
Hamas wants to ensure that Bibi is re-elected in the upcoming election. As a radical hardliner, he helps their cause immensely.

If a peacenik (or even moderate or slightly sane centrist) PM was elected in Israel, there is a huge risk to Hamas that peace could break out, which is obviously not in their interests.

So the logical thing for them to do is exactly what they are doing, be as threatening and aggressive as possible, in order to ensure that their fellow hard-line loonies stay in power in Israel. They recognize that the real threat to extremists is not the extremists on the other side, since they both see things in extreme black & white terms, they actually share most elements of their worldview.

No, the threat to hardliners is the mushy middle. The pacifists on both sides who would rather talk, and build schools, hospitals and make life better for Israelis and Palestinians. Where's the profit and power in that? You keep power by keeping people afraid.
 
2012-11-15 01:40:16 PM  
There is so much HERP DERP in this issue/thread that you can't a conversation without having to HERP DERP.
 
2012-11-15 01:40:20 PM  

evoke: GAT_00:
Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.


You're really chowing down on that old USA/Israeli propaganda there bud.
 
2012-11-15 01:40:24 PM  

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.

Jordan is Jordan, not Palestine. Anyway, what good is Jordan for the palestinians who live west of the Jordan?


That's what I mean about the history of it all. Waaaayyyy back in college I took a course on the Arab-Israeli conflict and learned a ton about the history of it all. Jordan and Palestine were one big group of people and one sorta province of the Ottoman Empire, until they lost WWI and the British got the Mandate of Palestine and they broke it up into differing states. Jordan was called Trans-jordan, IE, the other side of the Jordan (al-Urdun) River. Same ethnic group, other side of the river.
 
2012-11-15 01:40:24 PM  

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.

Jordan is Jordan, not Palestine. Anyway, what good is Jordan for the palestinians who live west of the Jordan?


He has a kickass basketball court next to his pool and throws great parties?
 
2012-11-15 01:40:48 PM  

gerrymander: GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.

That's a rather pristine cloth cover for a baby supposedly killed in a rocket attack. Did a congenital heart condition trigger when the kid was scared to death by the noise of an explosion? Or is the guy just an actor grieving over a sack of potatoes?

And yes, I am accusing the Gazan arm of the BBC staging a photo. It wouldn't be the first time.



Hurray for Paliwood!

Once saw a Palestinian funeral procession where everybody, including the dead guy, took off running because they heard helicopters approaching.
 
2012-11-15 01:41:02 PM  

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.


Nah, not enough thinly veiled political motivations against Mexico. They have no oil. Theres no legacy to finish daddy war, nothing that motivates modern America.
 
2012-11-15 01:41:23 PM  
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-(
 
2012-11-15 01:41:30 PM  

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79:

Now, how does one create a jewish homeland in an area where 90% of the population is arab?


Chutzpah (play /ˈhʊtspə/ or /ˈxʊtspə/[1][2]) is the quality of audacity, for good or for bad.

Chutzpah, lots of it.

and guns
 
2012-11-15 01:41:49 PM  

ranold: There is so much HERP DERP in this issue/thread that you can't a conversation without having to HERP DERP.



This all part of Obama's plan to turn us all into Muslims.
 
2012-11-15 01:41:58 PM  

Lupine Chemist: Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?

35 foot twinkies weighing 600 lbs for everybody

You don't follow business news I see.


You need a little more vitamin Snark in your life
 
2012-11-15 01:42:06 PM  
WTF is this shait, they are like 4 week too early.
 
2012-11-15 01:42:09 PM  
Ok, so Hamas fired eleventy billion rockets at Israel.

I'm curious about the rockets.

We know the Gaza Strip isn't big. 25 miles long, 6 miles wide, borders the Mediterrenean on the northwest, Israel on the northeast, southeast and shares a small border with Egypt on the southwest.

What sort of rockets are they using?

The Qassam rocket.

upload.wikimedia.org

Their range?

upload.wikimedia.org

Their cost? $800 per rocket (according to wiki).

These things suck. I mean they fail all the time, apparently. And from this image, they look like metal bottle rockets.

upload.wikimedia.org

Hamas should spend more time building infrastructure with that money. At the same time, Isreal relies on scaring the absolute sh*t out of Americans with the 'oh they are launching a jillion rockets at us' as if they were ICBMs or Patriot missiles.
 
2012-11-15 01:42:11 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

No.


Why not?
 
2012-11-15 01:42:12 PM  

DECEMBER 21st, 2012


lolz
 
2012-11-15 01:42:19 PM  

Captain Steroid: CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-(


Bring the ponies Captain.
 
2012-11-15 01:42:20 PM  

queezyweezel: Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.

Jordan is Jordan, not Palestine. Anyway, what good is Jordan for the palestinians who live west of the Jordan?

He has a kickass basketball court next to his pool and throws great parties?


Free Fruit of the Loom for everyone?
 
2012-11-15 01:42:31 PM  

Captain Steroid: CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-(



Lets go back to the halcyon days of Hamas lobbing rockets and Israel doing nothing.
 
2012-11-15 01:43:16 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: It never ceases to amuse me to see the side reknowned for dropping white phosphorus muntions on schools and refugee camps complaining about the deliberate targetting of civilians.

Oh, no, sorry. I meant disgusts. My bad.


/both sides really are as bad as each other, so vote Bacon.


MEH
I find it impossible to get upset when we discus "illegal" and war in the same sentence.
I find the "idea" of legal and illegal during war as a bit silly. As an attempt to civilize war, to make it less deadly.

It is a great idea in theory, but I am guessing that that theory will be severely tested in the next 100 years as wars continue to become more urban-asymmetric conflicts and less battlefield stand up fights.

Look at how upset those brits got when the americans refused to stand in rows and get shot at!!
LOL
 
2012-11-15 01:43:31 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.

Nah, not enough thinly veiled political motivations against Mexico. They have no oil. Theres no legacy to finish daddy war, nothing that motivates modern America.


[quizzical_dog.jpg]
Mexico makes it the sixth largest producer of oil in the world and the tenth largest in terms of net export as of 2007. It is the second largest oil producer in the Western Hemisphere behind only the United States and just ahead of Canada.
 
2012-11-15 01:43:55 PM  

queezyweezel: Keep Colorado there as a buffer.


Colorado will be one giant haze soon.
 
2012-11-15 01:43:59 PM  
All this over whether some goat 3,000 years ago was speckled, or just dirty.
 
2012-11-15 01:44:01 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: namatad: GentDirkly: The Gaza strip should be evacuated of all people. They can be relocated to Beth Shean or some other part of Israel that is less strategically important. Hopefully wherever they go gets taken over by an Arab government. Maybe Jordan?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You are actually on to something here.
Or do a land purchase from Jordan, buy twice the land as gaza currently is.
build a giant wall on the israel and jordan side of it.
move EVERYONE and everything.
probably would have to build a TON of cement housing before you moved all the people

You know this would never work. The Palestinians are clearly anti-cementic.


The Lebanese however are generally hard as a rock...
 
2012-11-15 01:44:20 PM  

SithLord: queezyweezel: Keep Colorado there as a buffer.

Colorado will be one giant haze soon.


So more of a smoke screen then.
 
2012-11-15 01:45:16 PM  

GAT_00: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

Well now you get that holy cleansing of undesirables you always wanted. All glory to the Hebrew state.


And the thread goes to derp in 2 comments. I present you, GAT_00, with the speedy derp award. Wear it proudly!
 
2012-11-15 01:45:37 PM  
The people behind all this: The Palestinian Rocket Painter's Union.
 
2012-11-15 01:45:55 PM  

tjassen: Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?

I'll live tweet it for you.

/Waiting for the call up phone call.
//Should do some laundry, to make sure I have enough underwear.


Do you think it makes most sense to go in asap now? It does to me, I'm afraid.

/Good luck if you do
 
2012-11-15 01:45:55 PM  

Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.


1) I love you for putting this list together.
2) I pick 2354 BC just to fark both sides over.

I do find it cute that Muslim side always picks the piece of cake which looks best to them.
We arent siblings/friends learning to share. It is the game of thrones and the one with knife wins.
 
2012-11-15 01:46:36 PM  

mootmah: Captain Steroid: CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-(

Bring the ponies Captain.


Yes. I DEMAND Israel/Hamas related Pony captures/memes.

DEMAND.
 
2012-11-15 01:47:03 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: queezyweezel: Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.

Jordan is Jordan, not Palestine. Anyway, what good is Jordan for the palestinians who live west of the Jordan?

He has a kickass basketball court next to his pool and throws great parties?

Free Fruit of the Loom for everyone?



What about free Hitler mustaches?

i256.photobucket.com
 
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