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2012-11-15 01:11:02 PM  

coco ebert: Brontes: coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.

Armenians?

*quizzical dog look* They have their own state.


Sorry, was giving an example of Armenians having their own state and being an ethnic group.
 
2012-11-15 01:11:10 PM  

coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.


I'm starting to think that the only reason we give them $16 billion for their "defense" budget every year is because we don't want anyone to call us Nazis. WWII was a tragedy and all, but I think we've done our share of the fighting now.
 
2012-11-15 01:11:30 PM  

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


Are we currently taking cubans land despite saying we wouldn't, and refusing to allow other cubans to returns to their homes that we previously took?
 
2012-11-15 01:11:40 PM  

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


This would be the wholesale acquistion of land that Israel evacuated in 2005?
 
2012-11-15 01:11:55 PM  
I don't get how almost ALL Jews in congress are Democrats, but any strike against Hamas (or any other radical group who terrorize Israel) are likened to being Dubya-esque war mongers.

It's astonishing that you kids don't know who run your own party, and who also fully support these actions (if only behind closed doors).
 
2012-11-15 01:12:01 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?


Of course the one whose name you write on the "TO: " field of your check.
 
2012-11-15 01:12:19 PM  

coco ebert: Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.


Quebecois don't even like Quebecois.
 
2012-11-15 01:12:20 PM  

BgJonson79: GungFu: BgJonson79: GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.

I dunno where you learned Theology, but they're the same Guy.


Jews dig Allah?

Of course. Allah = God = Yahweh. Christianity is the second version of Judaism, Islam is the third.

I find theological history fascinating.



Man, so why are these cawksuckers fighting? This is some serious dumb shiat, man. Brother against Brother. Y'all need to cut this shiat out, Motherfarkers.
Oh, and stop cutting up y'all baby penises.
 
2012-11-15 01:12:24 PM  

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?


Who did they take the land from? Hint: Palestinians lived there, but owned very little. Why do you think so few have deeds?

As for living groups, there's a lot of planet, and usually homogeneity tends to results in less problems. The alternative is de facto genocide.
 
2012-11-15 01:13:17 PM  

namatad: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

What's cute is that anyone thinks that Israel over reacts. It is a war, there is no over reaction. As long as the Gazan military targets civilians in Israel and hides amongst the Gazan population, there will be civilian casualties.

Why do we pretend that it isnt a war? Why do we pretend that civilians dont get hurt during a war?
If the Gazan warlords dont want civilians to get hurt, they should stay on military bases and not drive in cars with kiddies. LOL

Seriously. Do the Gazans WANT another occupation? While it SUCKS to be the average gazan, it also sucks that your democratically elected government has gone to war with another country.

Stop calling the militants. Pretending that your government is not in control is part of your problem.
Either they are not in control and therefore they are not a government, or they are in control and part of the problem.

If only there were some way for a government to control and stop its "civilians" from firing rockets.
And if you are not going to stop them, WHAT do you expect to happen in return?

WHOOPS, well NOW you are going to find out the hard way. AGAIN.

LOL


proportionate response! get with the program!

if a Palestinian kills a Jew, then you get to write a sternly worded letter to the UN.

you don't get to fight back. you're a bunch of usurious Israelis!

/I always love the proportionate response thing. I get a big smile out of it.
 
2012-11-15 01:13:24 PM  
How much is this going to cost me?
 
2012-11-15 01:13:30 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?

Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.


So we should have one big uniform culture?
 
2012-11-15 01:13:36 PM  
I tried to find Tatsumas "Hurrah civilians died lets jump on a grassy hill" pic but could only find this

www.fbastard.com
 
2012-11-15 01:13:43 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:13:57 PM  
Not a repeat from 1948, 1967, 1973, 2002, etc.?


/Probably would have the same outcomes
 
2012-11-15 01:13:57 PM  

dr_blasto: queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?

Hey now.


Alright. I-25 from Casper to Colorado and East to Nebraska. Fair?

/Used to live in Cheyenne
 
2012-11-15 01:14:13 PM  

doubled99: I can't believe how many of you actually attempt to argue which side is morally in the "right".


This is the same moron argument about ALL WARS. "OURS" is always the moral side. LOL
It is a war. People on both sides will die. Counting bodies is NOT how you decide who wins or who over reacted. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Today's wars are no longer fought on battlefields, they are fought in cities where there is LOTS of physical and human cover. LOL

Sorry, but it is a bit funny when your own soldiers use your house and your child as cover. The army certainly doesnt care if the civilians get hurt.

So what is the solution?
Pretend that this isnt the Israelis and the Gazans for a second.
It is the Star Bellied Sneeches versus the Bare-Bellies Sneeches.
How do you stop a war?
How do you stop an asymmetric war?
How do you root out an army which has dug-in inside of a city?

Funny, I used to remember hearing about suicide bombs/bombers in Israel. What happened to that?
Oh right, Israel built a wall between the three countries and patrol and defend that border now.
SHOCKING the suicide attacks went to virtually zero after doing that. Why is that??

Oh look, rocket attacks picked up after the suicide bombers were stopped.
You know, this is my NK and SK have such a large DMZ.
Much harder for the countries to interact.
 
2012-11-15 01:14:18 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7435967/80714200#c80714200" target="_blank">Uncle Tractor</a>:</b> <i>BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?</i>

The goal should not be ethnic groups getting more segregated.
 
2012-11-15 01:14:23 PM  
The fecal matter has interacted with the ventilation impeller.
 
2012-11-15 01:14:37 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.

Cuba started building nuclear missiles. How did we react, again?


um... Cuba did not build nuclear missiles during the Cuban missile crisis. Russia was importing them on boats that were blocked by a US navel blockade. Russia was also funding the construction of the launch sites in Cuba.

We were hours away from going full on MAD over it.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:19 PM  

Brontes: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.

That is a horrible analogy. What if the US were building settlements on Mexican land with US checkpoints dotted over the country. Now Mexico fires rockets into the US. That is a little closer.


I see where you're coming from, but I was heading in a different direction. I meant it as a question of metered retaliation and justified force. Whether you're at my house or your house shouldn't change my reaction to you punching me in the face 169 times. The US wouldn't take it, and I don't think it's fair that people balk at Israel for not standing down and taking it. That's all I meant.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:22 PM  

Gwendolyn: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7435967/80714200#c80714200" target="_blank">Uncle Tractor</a>:</b> <i>BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?</i>

The goal should not be ethnic groups getting more segregated.


Then the result is one big culture, and a loss of all others.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:23 PM  

sethen320: Smeggy Smurf: dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?

They're like an ex-wife that just won't quit trying to fark up your life. Eventually you have to bring the hammer down hard to put an end to the nonsense.

How long ago did she leave you?Did you at least get to keep the car?


5 years and she stole my truck. Since then it's been a regular series of court battles over violating custody and theft
 
2012-11-15 01:15:27 PM  

mayIFark: Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?

Of course the one whose name you write on the "TO: " field of your check.


We should just sell nukes to both of them -- the really big multi-megaton cold-war era ones. ...and along with the nukes can come a free, complimentary truck-load of PCP.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:33 PM  

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Aim for areas near buildings, but usually uninhabited at that time of day. Both Israel and Hamas look like they're trying to minimize casualties.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:59 PM  

BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?

Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.

So we should have one big uniform culture?


Uniform?

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:16:18 PM  

Brontes: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.

That is a horrible analogy. What if the US were building settlements on Mexican American land with US checkpoints dotted over the country along the border. Now Mexico fires rockets into the US. That is a little closer.


Even closer.
 
2012-11-15 01:16:37 PM  

kindms: This is all BS. The other difference this time around is that Egypt isn't under our complete control, they could easily make this situation much much worse.



Hahahaa...giggle Egypt can't and won't do shiat.
Hezbollah ? ..... won't do shiat.
 
2012-11-15 01:16:37 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?

Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.

So we should have one big uniform culture?

Uniform?

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 194x259]


+1 Internets to you!
 
2012-11-15 01:16:46 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry



I bet all your friends think your hilarious.
 
2012-11-15 01:16:57 PM  

Gwendolyn: An oppressed people are passed off at the slow genocide committed on them through starvation, illness, poverty, and illegal settlement. I'm sure if the Native Americans had rockets back in the 1800s they would have been lobbing them at the Calvary too.


So you admit that ALL countries today exist on the dead (or assimilated) backs of the previous owners of the land?

Yah, kind of sucks, but that is humanity.

The only proper solution to the mideast problem is to send ALL of them back to africa and give the land back to the goats. (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)
 
2012-11-15 01:16:59 PM  
so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?
 
2012-11-15 01:17:11 PM  

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Sorry, the guy who aims was in the john.
 
2012-11-15 01:17:18 PM  
Here's a recap of the situation, acted out by cute animals:-
Link
/Israel is the cat
 
2012-11-15 01:17:30 PM  
Hamas et al (although today's missiles were courtesy of the Islamic Jihad, which has never been a signatory to any agreement with Israel) have been firing on Israel's South since Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The international community only feels sorry for civilians when they're Palestinian. The Israeli killed and wounded, homes destroyed, daily routine disrupted, goes largely unreported in the international press because the story isn't "sexy."

Sorry if we have better defenses - but that doesn't justify the Palestinian terrorists' actions.
 
2012-11-15 01:18:00 PM  

mod3072: ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

Sorry, the guy who aims was in the john.


At least the floor will be clean
 
2012-11-15 01:18:08 PM  

Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.


Don't pretend you don't have a boner. No doubt you'll donate a few bucks to humanitarian aid so you can buy a little moral credibility.
 
2012-11-15 01:18:28 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.


No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.
 
2012-11-15 01:18:45 PM  

GAT_00



topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back.

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


Do you just make crap up, post it and then behold your work as if you are some type of analyst.

Can't remember who said it about you but it was to the effect "GAT I see you post alot on this site and have noticed most of the time you don't know what you are talking about"

Now thats an analyst.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:02 PM  

mayIFark: Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.

Or, the best IDF can do to get an excuse to expedite their ethnic cleansing and genocide. It never seized to amaze me that all the rockets will 99.99% time fell somewhere where nothing will happen to no one (which is a good thing because they are civilians too). At the end, it always give them excuse to do what they want to do, steal more Palestinian land.


if Israel is trying to ethnically cleans the Palestinians they frankly suck at it. I mean the Jordanians have killed more back during Black September than Israel during both Intifidas [1][2]. Also Syria has killed 100s of Palestinians during the current uprising and has been actively targeting them, where is the outrage? Or is the outrage only when it involves Israel? everyone else has carte blanche to kill as many Palestinians as they want and deny them rights.

Either be consistent in what constitutes "genocide" (which has you know a legal definition as does ethnic cleansing) and what fair treatment of either the Palestinians or more broadly stateless ethnic groups is or admit you only care because the Jews are involved.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:15 PM  

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


To be honest, if cuba was aiming at some of the more GOP crazy parts of floriduh, I would be ok with that. You know, anywhere rick scott is.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:51 PM  

queezyweezel: the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?



They actually killed people this time?  Well, you mess with the bull, you get the horns.  You play with fire, you gonna get burned.  You push a man living in a van down by the river, you end up dismembered and cooked over a coffee can fire.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:53 PM  

Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?


Israel wins with far fewer civilian casualties then any war America has engaged in in the past decade.

/They're pretty farking good at waging war inside cities.
//It's kind of exactly what they've been training for their entire existence.
 
2012-11-15 01:20:23 PM  

GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.


That's a rather pristine cloth cover for a baby supposedly killed in a rocket attack. Did a congenital heart condition trigger when the kid was scared to death by the noise of an explosion? Or is the guy just an actor grieving over a sack of potatoes?

And yes, I am accusing the Gazan arm of the BBC staging a photo. It wouldn't be the first time.
 
2012-11-15 01:20:24 PM  

queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good

and let them solve their own problems, on their own dime ?

FTFY
 
2012-11-15 01:20:27 PM  

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?


Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?
 
2012-11-15 01:21:27 PM  

zedster: mayIFark: Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.

Or, the best IDF can do to get an excuse to expedite their ethnic cleansing and genocide. It never seized to amaze me that all the rockets will 99.99% time fell somewhere where nothing will happen to no one (which is a good thing because they are civilians too). At the end, it always give them excuse to do what they want to do, steal more Palestinian land.

if Israel is trying to ethnically cleans the Palestinians they frankly suck at it. I mean the Jordanians have killed more back during Black September than Israel during both Intifidas [1][2]. Also Syria has killed 100s of Palestinians during the current uprising and has been actively targeting them, where is the outrage? Or is the outrage only when it involves Israel? everyone else has carte blanche to kill as many Palestinians as they want and deny them rights.

Either be consistent in what constitutes "genocide" (which has you know a legal definition as does ethnic cleansing) and what fair treatment of either the Palestinians or more broadly stateless ethnic groups is or admit you only care because the Jews are involved.



Ethnic cleansing isn't just outright murder. Your tu quoque fallacy aside, Israel is a state that practices apartheid
 
2012-11-15 01:21:27 PM  

Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?


Your taxes go up to pay for their bullets.
 
2012-11-15 01:21:29 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.

No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.


George Carlin doesn't make fun of people grieving over their dead children. All you are is despicable.
 
2012-11-15 01:21:49 PM  

DrPainMD: queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good and let them solve their own problems, on their own dime ?

FTFY


Works for me.

I can't wait to go to Israel myself.
 
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