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2012-11-15 12:55:08 PM

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Like this?

littlegreenfootballs.com
 
2012-11-15 12:55:17 PM

namatad: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

What's cute is that anyone thinks that Israel over reacts. It is a war, there is no over reaction. As long as the Gazan military targets civilians in Israel and hides amongst the Gazan population, there will be civilian casualties.

Why do we pretend that it isnt a war? Why do we pretend that civilians dont get hurt during a war?
If the Gazan warlords dont want civilians to get hurt, they should stay on military bases and not drive in cars with kiddies. LOL

Seriously. Do the Gazans WANT another occupation? While it SUCKS to be the average gazan, it also sucks that your democratically elected government has gone to war with another country.

Stop calling the militants. Pretending that your government is not in control is part of your problem.
Either they are not in control and therefore they are not a government, or they are in control and part of the problem.

If only there were some way for a government to control and stop its "civilians" from firing rockets.
And if you are not going to stop them, WHAT do you expect to happen in return?

WHOOPS, well NOW you are going to find out the hard way. AGAIN.

LOL


That's exactly what Hamas wants.

You've seen the extent of their long distance strike capability. Its efficacy leaves much to be desired. They want a ground intervention to get the Israelis bogged down in an urban environment which goes far in negating the vast firepower advantage Israel has. You can blame civilian deaths on the Iraeli's entirely (when both sides are at fault). Your light infantry forces equipped with some anti-tank weapons can actually be effective when you force them to fight in cramped alleyways at point blank ranges.

If you wanted a successful Gazan state, for the sake of the Gazans themselves, the money funneled to weapons and armaments would be used for infrastructure.

One thing is certain: the civilians in that area get a really, really, raw deal.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:22 PM
Perhaps with a new government in Egypt and Syrian spill-over, Hamas might think they can get away with stuff? I think they think that, and the people who do think that need to DIAF. And it looks like they might just do that.

Firing rockets into Israel like this is like self-nomination for a Darwin award. It's not agression by Israel, it's a form of suicide.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:28 PM

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:29 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."


So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:51 PM

queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?


Jesus went to Utah not Wyoming. Get your facts straight.

/search it up
 
2012-11-15 12:55:53 PM

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


What percentage of the land in Palestine was owned by Palestinians, and what percent was owned by absentee landowners in Turkey?
 
2012-11-15 12:55:54 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

By get real, you mean go through their usual cycle.

Its not like this isn't fairly routine now. This same sudden escalation occurs either every 1, 2, or 3 years, basically. Things will blow up, people will die, the borders will be restored to their "last known best configuration" and the clock will be reset.

Is it something to be concerned about? Sure. But the bolded stuff above is a bit absurd for something that happens so frequently.

/you do live there, so I definitely get why its more hyped up for you, but as a third party on the far side of the world its not that I don't care, its that I am completely unsurprised.


People die during these escalations, you know...
 
2012-11-15 12:55:58 PM
"The escalation of this conflict would be in no one's interest..."

Won't someone think of the international arms dealers! Peace might be fine for some people, but it doesn't buy many gold plated limousines - especially in these tough economic times.
 
2012-11-15 12:56:22 PM

hbk72777: I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?


If we're going by past conflicts, 7:1.
 
2012-11-15 12:56:35 PM
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-15 12:56:38 PM

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better then nothing.
 
2012-11-15 12:56:54 PM

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.
 
2012-11-15 12:57:00 PM

Pair-o-Dice: This will not end.


FTFY
 
2012-11-15 12:57:20 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: What the fark am I reading??


It's not what you are reading, it's what you don't seem to know. Like the palestinian attacks on Israel that lead to the killing of Ahmed al Jaabari.
 
2012-11-15 12:57:26 PM

Treygreen13: hbk72777: I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?

If we're going by past conflicts, 7:1.


Everyone knows that when betting on Jews you assume you'll get 8:1 returns, not 7
 
2012-11-15 12:57:37 PM

sillydragon: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Great...now I have this picture in my head of Israel wearing a giant steel yarmulke.


You're not the only one.
 
2012-11-15 12:57:40 PM

JusticeandIndependence: queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?

Jesus went to Utah not Wyoming. Get your facts straight.

/search it up


The Jews killed Jesus. I figured we wouldn't want them next to each other. Keep Colorado there as a buffer.
 
2012-11-15 12:57:52 PM
But was there any genital contact? Come on media! Ask the hard questions already!
 
2012-11-15 12:57:52 PM

netweavr: Wicked Chinchilla: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

By get real, you mean go through their usual cycle.

Its not like this isn't fairly routine now. This same sudden escalation occurs either every 1, 2, or 3 years, basically. Things will blow up, people will die, the borders will be restored to their "last known best configuration" and the clock will be reset.

Is it something to be concerned about? Sure. But the bolded stuff above is a bit absurd for something that happens so frequently.

/you do live there, so I definitely get why its more hyped up for you, but as a third party on the far side of the world its not that I don't care, its that I am completely unsurprised.

People die during these escalations, you know...


and its a senseless, stupid tragedy that they do. But not surprising
 
2012-11-15 12:58:42 PM

Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.


Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?
 
2012-11-15 12:58:45 PM

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Or perhaps the world has blinders on.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:11 PM
Good night, everyone. I'll see you back here in 3 hours when we've got 800 posts.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:19 PM

BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


They already have Florida, they don't need a second one.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:37 PM

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


I'm not so sure. The "occupation by settlers" worked for Egypt in the Gaza Strip up until 1967. It worked for Jorgan in the West Bank, as well. But then the Jordanian forces bugged out, left their "settlers" behind, and then revoked their Jordanian citizenship.

Of course, Israel was able to re-acquire the territory in just a matter of days, so maybe war does work better.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:17 PM
I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:22 PM

badaboom: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Or perhaps the world has blinders on.


Yes, thats it. Everyone around you is crazy. YOU'RE the sane one.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:27 PM
shower_in_my_socks: " I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message."

Sadly, I'm thinking this has more to do with it than anything. It's not like the rockets are a *new* thing. And it's not like the uptick in launches were unprovoked.
I mean, wtf would anyone *expect* after you live-tweet the assassination of one of their leaders and pre-announce your intentions to invade and directly occupy?
Right or wrong, you've escalated things and can't really use a response as justification for your initial action.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:31 PM

JK47: Yeah, it's outrageous that Palestinians in the Hamas Ghetto would lash out at the party confining them in a large open air prison while preventing them from seeking gainful employment, receiving basic medical care, and obtaining basic necessities & materials.


wait wait wait wait wait wait
I am confused.
Are you saying that Gazans have the right to work in Israel? Because that is the most retarded thing that I have ever heard and I watched the GOP primary.

No one in a foreign country has a right to work in another country. period.

Sucks that these two neighboring countries are at war, but people die in war, people suffer in war.
Strange, hasnt Egypt been much better off since they signed a peace treaty with Israel?

I am not suggesting that Gaza will ever sign a peace treaty with Israel, nor would the Gazan government ever be professional enough to stop its army from attacking Israel.

/Yes - Gaza is a country. Yes - the militants are the Gazan army. Pretending otherwise doesnt change reality. Yes - the sooner that the rest of the world stop pretending, the sooner that we have less lying in the reporting.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:34 PM

BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.


It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:42 PM

BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


Why?
 
2012-11-15 01:00:54 PM
An oppressed people are passed off at the slow genocide committed on them through starvation, illness, poverty, and illegal settlement. I'm sure if the Native Americans had rockets back in the 1800s they would have been lobbing them at the Calvary too.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:57 PM

TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.


Oh god, are they alright? They could've heard a small pop! That's terrifying!
 
2012-11-15 01:00:59 PM

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Just because something is "popular" or supported blindly doesn't make it right.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:03 PM
I'm not saying any escalation will happen. We don't know. Egypt's Prez wants to stroll through Gaza tomorrow...

But note to Gaza habitants.

When the lights go out, you lose your internet ? Then you better get away from those areas where they are launching and storing the rockets and mortars.

Leaflets have been dropped. You've been warned.

Iran's foward operating base just might get a hammerin'

/Just sayin'
 
2012-11-15 01:01:04 PM
Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:07 PM

TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.


A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them
 
2012-11-15 01:01:21 PM

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.


There isn't already tension between the US and Mexico over disputed territory. Nor is the US unlawfully settling in Mexican land.

That has happened before and we now have Texas.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:28 PM

JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?


Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?
 
2012-11-15 01:01:39 PM

Treygreen13: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

Maybe if they ask the Zetas nicely they'll get some real political support behind the Mexican Government.


Yeah, that's a counterpoint from any international position here: "how can we support X if we have Y problem right here?". It makes sense, but in the long run it can be counter-productive.

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


They were speaking of sending aid. But, the problem is, when Mexico sends aid, it does so with the Army, and the Mexican army, and it could give a bad precedent to Israel.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:44 PM

TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.


NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA

BAT YAM
 
2012-11-15 01:01:59 PM

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.


That is a horrible analogy. What if the US were building settlements on Mexican land with US checkpoints dotted over the country. Now Mexico fires rockets into the US. That is a little closer.
 
2012-11-15 01:02:27 PM

coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.


I should say, "It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label FOR ANYONE who critiques Israel's policies." I don't doubt that anti-Semitism fuels many people's critique of Israel, but not everyone's.
 
2012-11-15 01:02:30 PM

badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.


As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?
 
2012-11-15 01:02:39 PM

queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?


Hey now.
 
2012-11-15 01:02:45 PM

coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.


And yet, in my experience, I'm right more often than I'm not. I mean, really, Mexico and Colombia? Hugely Catholic countries that don't like Jews? Who knew?
 
2012-11-15 01:02:52 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?


Asteroids!
 
2012-11-15 01:03:02 PM
if i lived there, i'd buy some of these and drive around :) 

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2012-11-15 01:03:05 PM

BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?


No?
 
2012-11-15 01:03:15 PM

shower_in_my_socks: I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message.


See, this is the perfect example of someone who feels the need to talk, and yet has no idea, absolutely no idea, of what he's talking about
 
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