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2012-11-15 12:24:51 PM  
Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.
 
2012-11-15 12:29:22 PM  

Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.


Well now you get that holy cleansing of undesirables you always wanted. All glory to the Hebrew state.
 
2012-11-15 12:29:34 PM  
So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.
 
2012-11-15 12:30:12 PM  
I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.
 
2012-11-15 12:32:56 PM  
Does Hamas have a deathwish?
 
2012-11-15 12:35:21 PM  
Nobody post before.... oh, wait.

Carry on.
 
2012-11-15 12:36:08 PM  
But what's the latest with Patraeus?

He evidently changed the spelling of his name, for one....
 
2012-11-15 12:36:10 PM  

GAT_00: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

Well now you get that holy cleansing of undesirables you always wanted. All glory to the Hebrew state.


We're done here.
 
2012-11-15 12:36:28 PM  
Don't worry about foreign policy issues... squirrel!
 
2012-11-15 12:36:34 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."
 
2012-11-15 12:36:52 PM  
Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.
 
2012-11-15 12:36:55 PM  
Can we just blow them both up already and end this, Israel's not THAT good of a friend...
 
2012-11-15 12:37:12 PM  
Something Something Gaza Stripper joke goes here.
 
2012-11-15 12:37:45 PM  
Speaking of exploding Rockets, did you see James Harden go for 30 last night?
 
2012-11-15 12:37:53 PM  

dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?


Yes--maybe it's time to finally grant it.
 
2012-11-15 12:37:56 PM  
I've been hit! Get me a Gaza strip for my wound!
 
2012-11-15 12:37:58 PM  
Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits
 
2012-11-15 12:37:59 PM  
Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.
 
2012-11-15 12:38:02 PM  
It's a goddamn shame that a region once known for its vibrant, thoughtful, intelligent people and cultures has been turned into a hellish cesspool by stark raving lunatics.
 
2012-11-15 12:38:08 PM  
Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?
 
2012-11-15 12:38:22 PM  

dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?


They're like an ex-wife that just won't quit trying to fark up your life. Eventually you have to bring the hammer down hard to put an end to the nonsense.
 
2012-11-15 12:38:45 PM  
Is there a cute white teenage girl that has gone missing in Tel Aviv, submitter? No? Then who gives a fark.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:09 PM  

pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits


It's ON now!

Someone done farked up!
 
2012-11-15 12:39:21 PM  

topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.


Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:22 PM  
Moshe Dayan is putting his patch on.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:35 PM  
Hamas has committed a double war crime by deliberately launching rockets at civilian targets, while at the same time hiding among civilians. Israel is defending itself and its population.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:36 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


It's tragic, but I've become comfortable with it.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:49 PM  
Is everyone feeling good about the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza in 2005? I didn't think so. Nothing but trouble ever since.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:56 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


Sadly that has started to become a "we're better off without the lot of them" attitude for me. Yeah, it's wrong to think that.
 
2012-11-15 12:40:06 PM  
This will not end well.
 
2012-11-15 12:40:09 PM  
According to this article, there were 451 rockets fired on Israeli civilian populations through October, and at least that many fired again this week alone.

I find it hard to blame Israel for wanting to take some action.
 
2012-11-15 12:40:11 PM  
Armageddon tired of this

/we've re-elected the anti-christ, let's get it over with
 
2012-11-15 12:40:19 PM  

pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits


He won't talk to me, so no.
 
2012-11-15 12:40:23 PM  
Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?
 
2012-11-15 12:40:35 PM  
the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?
 
2012-11-15 12:40:38 PM  
Meh.
 
2012-11-15 12:40:41 PM  

Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.


By get real, you mean go through their usual cycle.

Its not like this isn't fairly routine now. This same sudden escalation occurs either every 1, 2, or 3 years, basically. Things will blow up, people will die, the borders will be restored to their "last known best configuration" and the clock will be reset.

Is it something to be concerned about? Sure. But the bolded stuff above is a bit absurd for something that happens so frequently.

/you do live there, so I definitely get why its more hyped up for you, but as a third party on the far side of the world its not that I don't care, its that I am completely unsurprised.
 
2012-11-15 12:41:03 PM  
This is going nuclear.
 
2012-11-15 12:41:10 PM  

dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?


Nah, what ever gave you that idea?

www.thegatewaypundit.com
 
2012-11-15 12:41:26 PM  
Oh, great. Look who's back. I expect hourly updates and a green (blue?) ribbon to be posted everywhere on the site.
 
2012-11-15 12:41:38 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?


Asteroids?
 
2012-11-15 12:41:40 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Its not like this isn't fairly routine now. This same sudden escalation occurs either every 1, 2, or 3 years, basically. Things will blow up, people will die, the borders will be restored to their "last known best configuration" and the clock will be reset.


This.

It's happened before. It'll happen again. Nothing of substance will actually change.
 
2012-11-15 12:41:55 PM  

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.
 
2012-11-15 12:42:09 PM  

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


near simulpost on topic..
 
2012-11-15 12:42:10 PM  
Is Omarion okay?
 
2012-11-15 12:42:30 PM  

Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.


Good thing it hit the water... those rockets would probably destroy at least a few Yaffa blocks.
 
2012-11-15 12:42:31 PM  
You know, the Mayans may not have predicted the end of the world in 2012, but god-damn it are we pushing so farking hard to get there!.

/Can't we wait to wage war on next year?
//Just so we can say "I told you so" to the 2012 doomsayers
 
2012-11-15 12:42:43 PM  

Comic Book Guy: We're done here.


I don't think we should close the thread because of one stupid comment.

dj_spanmaster: According to this article, there were 451 rockets fired on Israeli civilian populations through October, and at least that many fired again this week alone.

I find it hard to blame Israel for wanting to take some action.


Yeah, this is why this is happening. Nothing to do with elections, nothing to do with stupid propaganda, everything to do with us going 'Ok, farking enough'.

ichiban: I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


We have a great advance warning system, lots of bomb shelters and anti-rocket countermeasures
 
2012-11-15 12:42:44 PM  

BalugaJoe: This is going nuclear.


Yeah, just like all the other biennial conflicts.
 
2012-11-15 12:43:01 PM  
This is the second time Israel has launched a Gaza war after an Obama election. I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message.

And they named the operation after a Bible verse, have no exit strategy, and won't say how this will actually solve anything. It's all so very, very George W. Bush/neo-cons circa 2003. But when has thinking with your d!cks ever gotten anyone in trouble?
 
2012-11-15 12:43:01 PM  

queezyweezel: the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?


Yeah, but unreported are the number of jeeps that have rolled.
 
2012-11-15 12:43:13 PM  
They gonna open up the Ark.
 
2012-11-15 12:43:21 PM  

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


The rockets are homemade, short ranged, have no guidance mechanisms, and small warheads.

Put a hand grenade on an over-sized hobby rocket and you have a crude idea of what they are launching. They aren't exactly lobbing scuds over the wall.
 
2012-11-15 12:43:50 PM  
Good headline. Democrats are definitely hoping for as much death and destruction as possible to get away from Patraeus and the other assorted liberal scumbags involved in that scandal. Total pieces of sh*t are just begging for this kind of dog-wagging.
 
2012-11-15 12:44:04 PM  
Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.
 
2012-11-15 12:44:25 PM  
insert hitler joke
 
2012-11-15 12:44:50 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: This is the second time Israel has launched a Gaza war after an Obama election. I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message.

And they named the operation after a Bible verse, have no exit strategy, and won't say how this will actually solve anything. It's all so very, very George W. Bush/neo-cons circa 2003. But when has thinking with your d!cks ever gotten anyone in trouble?


Yea you are right is is so Israel's fault that Hamas is launching hundreds of rockets at civilian populated areas.
 
2012-11-15 12:44:52 PM  

evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.


Perhaps they should stop building settlements on land that isn't theirs, then?
 
2012-11-15 12:45:19 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: small warhead



That's what your wife told me...
 
2012-11-15 12:45:19 PM  
With claims that Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people, defence officials said Israel was prepared to launch a ground invasion into Gaza if necessary.


So far, at least 15 people, including Mr Jaabari, have been killed in more than 50 Israeli airstrikes - codenamed Operation Pillar Of Defence. Two young children were also among the dead.

Izzy has not reached their ordinary quota of 1 Israeli worth 10 'rabs one being a child yet, they will continue airstrikes until at least 1 more child and 14 adults are killed
 
2012-11-15 12:45:27 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Good headline. Democrats are definitely hoping for as much death and destruction as possible to get away from Patraeus and the other assorted liberal scumbags involved in that scandal. Total pieces of sh*t are just begging for this kind of dog-wagging.


The General is a Republican. As are the weirdo twins. I have no idea what his biographer's political affiliation is.
 
2012-11-15 12:45:42 PM  

Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.



Yeah, it's outrageous that Palestinians in the Hamas Ghetto would lash out at the party confining them in a large open air prison while preventing them from seeking gainful employment, receiving basic medical care, and obtaining basic necessities & materials.
 
2012-11-15 12:46:03 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: The rockets are homemade, short ranged, have no guidance mechanisms, and small warheads.


Not a whole lot different than the original use of rockets - to terrify the absolute bejeesus of the people you aim them at.
 
2012-11-15 12:46:10 PM  
I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

When Israel is lying about the number of rockets fired.
 
2012-11-15 12:46:14 PM  

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


Good luck, stay safe, but don't expect change.

/cynical? Absolutely. Its a shiat situation which will never be changed without a miraculous "come to jesus/mohammed/moses" by all parties or a mongoloid extermination of one of the militant parties, and neither is about to happen.
 
2012-11-15 12:46:32 PM  
eucalyptus.atlassian.net
 
2012-11-15 12:46:50 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Good headline. Democrats are definitely hoping for as much death and destruction as possible to get away from Patraeus and the other assorted liberal scumbags involved in that scandal. Total pieces of sh*t are just begging for this kind of dog-wagging.


For f*ck's sake if you care so much about the scandal at least spell the man's name right.
 
2012-11-15 12:47:08 PM  
Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more
 
2012-11-15 12:47:08 PM  

pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits


Fark's very own Israel vs. Hamas proxy fight.
 
2012-11-15 12:48:07 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

When Israel is lying about the number of rockets fired.


Man you are so right it is all about the numbers of rockets fark the fact that they are launching rockets in the first place. I mean if it is only a couple of rockets into a civilian population center its ok.
 
2012-11-15 12:48:48 PM  

Glendale: pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits

Fark's very own Israel vs. Hamas proxy fight.


What ever happen to czarangelus?.
 
2012-11-15 12:49:04 PM  

evoke: Hamas has committed a double war crime by deliberately launching rockets at civilian targets, while at the same time hiding among civilians. Israel is defending itself and its population.


Of course. But the argument amongst sane people isn't that Israel shouldn't make use of its forces; it's that it should judiciously -- and wherever possible avoid civilian casualty -- use its forces against Hamas.

The whole "but they didn't care about Israeli civilians" argument doesn't really work when you're a first world nation and not a radical terrorist group.
 
2012-11-15 12:49:05 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

When Israel is lying about the number of rockets fired.


Of course. Those aren't rockets, they are arrows of mother farking love. *eye roll*
 
2012-11-15 12:49:16 PM  

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


Great...now I have this picture in my head of Israel wearing a giant steel yarmulke.
 
2012-11-15 12:49:22 PM  
The latest on Petraeus? Well a rocket exploded in his pocket, and now he is preparing to enter Broadwell.
 
2012-11-15 12:49:27 PM  

CygnusDarius: Glendale: pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits

Fark's very own Israel vs. Hamas proxy fight.

What ever happen to czarangelus?.


Got hammered I think.
 
2012-11-15 12:49:44 PM  
Tatsuma:
I don't think we should close the thread because of one stupid comment.

It does seem to neatly encapsulate what the motivating factors are, though. Palestine prodded Israel, Israel escalated further with 20(!) airstrikes, Palestine escalated further from the targeted assassination of one of their leaders, and so on.

Yes, a response is warranted when you're being fired upon by Katushyas. Using that response as a cover to escalate further is just that, escalating further. Seeing as this whole conflict is essentially founded on religion anyway, and GAT's comment isn't so stupid after all.
 
2012-11-15 12:49:59 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.

Perhaps they should stop building settlements on land that isn't theirs, then?

That's in the west bank, not Gaza. Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives. Launching deadly rockets against civilians isn't.
 
2012-11-15 12:50:06 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


What's cute is that anyone thinks that Israel over reacts. It is a war, there is no over reaction. As long as the Gazan military targets civilians in Israel and hides amongst the Gazan population, there will be civilian casualties.

Why do we pretend that it isnt a war? Why do we pretend that civilians dont get hurt during a war?
If the Gazan warlords dont want civilians to get hurt, they should stay on military bases and not drive in cars with kiddies. LOL

Seriously. Do the Gazans WANT another occupation? While it SUCKS to be the average gazan, it also sucks that your democratically elected government has gone to war with another country.

Stop calling the militants. Pretending that your government is not in control is part of your problem.
Either they are not in control and therefore they are not a government, or they are in control and part of the problem.

If only there were some way for a government to control and stop its "civilians" from firing rockets.
And if you are not going to stop them, WHAT do you expect to happen in return?

WHOOPS, well NOW you are going to find out the hard way. AGAIN.

LOL
 
2012-11-15 12:50:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: WhoopAssWayne: Good headline. Democrats are definitely hoping for as much death and destruction as possible to get away from Patraeus and the other assorted liberal scumbags involved in that scandal. Total pieces of sh*t are just begging for this kind of dog-wagging.

For f*ck's sake if you care so much about the scandal at least spell the man's name right.


I'm sure I'm missing some of the loonier conservative reactions to Petraeus because I'm not searching alternate spellings.

- AdamSerwer (@AdamSerwer) November 10, 2012
 
2012-11-15 12:50:18 PM  
Israel wants to see the rockets (mostly crappy as they may be) to stop, while Hamas wants the settlements to stop.

Rock-Paper-Scissors for it at this point.
 
2012-11-15 12:50:25 PM  

evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.


I actually expect Israel will annex both the West Bank and Gaza once this round is done.
 
2012-11-15 12:50:31 PM  
FTFA:

"The casualties were the first since Israel's airstrikes on the Gaza Strip on Wednesday which killed Hamas' top military commander Ahmed al Jaabari."

and then...

The White House said the US strongly condemned the rocket fire from Gaza into Israel.

Spokesman Jay Carney said there is "no justification" for the violence perpetrated by Hamas and other terrorist organisations. And he called on those responsible to immediately stop the "cowardly acts".



What the fark am I reading??
 
2012-11-15 12:50:49 PM  
I can't believe how many of you actually attempt to argue which side is morally in the "right".
 
2012-11-15 12:51:03 PM  

Lehk: Izzy has not reached their ordinary quota of 1 Israeli worth 10 'rabs one being a child yet, they will continue airstrikes until at least 1 more child and 14 adults are killed


Yes how dares Israel build bomb shelters, alarm systems and use rocket intercepting devices in order to decrease their civilians casualties! the next time the alarm sounds they should send the people outside to even the ratio.
 
2012-11-15 12:51:13 PM  

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.



....and one re-routed into the water amirite?
 
2012-11-15 12:51:22 PM  
i1151.photobucket.com
Oy vey, PaPa! Vhen can ve stop kvetshing about them mishegas gaza strippers and go out for a nosh?

Knock that sh*t off, Hershel!
 
2012-11-15 12:51:43 PM  

Comic Book Guy: Palestine prodded Israel


I am sorry, 'prodded'? They fired nearly 500 rockets in a month. 500. Hundreds in the last couple of weeks. And then you think Israel overreacts by striking 20 times at those trying to fire rockets? Are you serious?
 
2012-11-15 12:52:12 PM  

CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more


Maybe if they ask the Zetas nicely they'll get some real political support behind the Mexican Government.
 
2012-11-15 12:52:23 PM  
Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?
 
2012-11-15 12:52:24 PM  
Lets weigh this out. This involves a bunch of furriegners getting killed in a usually violent part of the world versus a juicy sex scandal involving a fairly hot mistress and a high level US govt official.

We got to have priorities when it comes to news and frankly I only have a 15 minute or less attention span.
 
2012-11-15 12:52:27 PM  

mootmah: CygnusDarius: Glendale: pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits

Fark's very own Israel vs. Hamas proxy fight.

What ever happen to czarangelus?.

Got hammered I think.


Permabanned years ago.
 
2012-11-15 12:52:41 PM  

evoke: Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives


How is bulldozing homes "benevolent"?
 
2012-11-15 12:52:57 PM  
This will be another tragic and needless event in a region where this has become the norm and I'd love it if someday leadership on both sides can both take responsibility for the wrongs their side has commited as well as demonstrating a true interest in compromise and a path forward.

I'd love to believe that society everywhere will progress to become more and more secular and once the deep rooted religious spects get dropped people can take a serious look at their history and future without having everything obstructed by these crazy notions of gods and divine rights, but I'm not gonna hold my breath on that.
 
2012-11-15 12:53:06 PM  

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Red Laser vs. Blue Laser
 
2012-11-15 12:53:10 PM  

CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more


The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.
 
2012-11-15 12:53:49 PM  
I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?
 
2012-11-15 12:54:21 PM  

hbk72777: I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?


Dunno. Do you know a good book-keeper?
 
2012-11-15 12:54:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: evoke: Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives

How is bulldozing homes "benevolent"?


a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
Don't tread there.
 
2012-11-15 12:54:57 PM  

evoke: Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.



An Occupying Power has very little room to complain when the people living in occupied territories try to fight back.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:08 PM  

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Like this?

littlegreenfootballs.com
 
2012-11-15 12:55:17 PM  

namatad: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

What's cute is that anyone thinks that Israel over reacts. It is a war, there is no over reaction. As long as the Gazan military targets civilians in Israel and hides amongst the Gazan population, there will be civilian casualties.

Why do we pretend that it isnt a war? Why do we pretend that civilians dont get hurt during a war?
If the Gazan warlords dont want civilians to get hurt, they should stay on military bases and not drive in cars with kiddies. LOL

Seriously. Do the Gazans WANT another occupation? While it SUCKS to be the average gazan, it also sucks that your democratically elected government has gone to war with another country.

Stop calling the militants. Pretending that your government is not in control is part of your problem.
Either they are not in control and therefore they are not a government, or they are in control and part of the problem.

If only there were some way for a government to control and stop its "civilians" from firing rockets.
And if you are not going to stop them, WHAT do you expect to happen in return?

WHOOPS, well NOW you are going to find out the hard way. AGAIN.

LOL


That's exactly what Hamas wants.

You've seen the extent of their long distance strike capability. Its efficacy leaves much to be desired. They want a ground intervention to get the Israelis bogged down in an urban environment which goes far in negating the vast firepower advantage Israel has. You can blame civilian deaths on the Iraeli's entirely (when both sides are at fault). Your light infantry forces equipped with some anti-tank weapons can actually be effective when you force them to fight in cramped alleyways at point blank ranges.

If you wanted a successful Gazan state, for the sake of the Gazans themselves, the money funneled to weapons and armaments would be used for infrastructure.

One thing is certain: the civilians in that area get a really, really, raw deal.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:22 PM  
Perhaps with a new government in Egypt and Syrian spill-over, Hamas might think they can get away with stuff? I think they think that, and the people who do think that need to DIAF. And it looks like they might just do that.

Firing rockets into Israel like this is like self-nomination for a Darwin award. It's not agression by Israel, it's a form of suicide.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:28 PM  

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:29 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."


So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:51 PM  

queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?


Jesus went to Utah not Wyoming. Get your facts straight.

/search it up
 
2012-11-15 12:55:53 PM  

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


What percentage of the land in Palestine was owned by Palestinians, and what percent was owned by absentee landowners in Turkey?
 
2012-11-15 12:55:54 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

By get real, you mean go through their usual cycle.

Its not like this isn't fairly routine now. This same sudden escalation occurs either every 1, 2, or 3 years, basically. Things will blow up, people will die, the borders will be restored to their "last known best configuration" and the clock will be reset.

Is it something to be concerned about? Sure. But the bolded stuff above is a bit absurd for something that happens so frequently.

/you do live there, so I definitely get why its more hyped up for you, but as a third party on the far side of the world its not that I don't care, its that I am completely unsurprised.


People die during these escalations, you know...
 
2012-11-15 12:55:58 PM  
"The escalation of this conflict would be in no one's interest..."

Won't someone think of the international arms dealers! Peace might be fine for some people, but it doesn't buy many gold plated limousines - especially in these tough economic times.
 
2012-11-15 12:56:22 PM  

hbk72777: I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?


If we're going by past conflicts, 7:1.
 
2012-11-15 12:56:35 PM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-15 12:56:38 PM  

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better then nothing.
 
2012-11-15 12:56:54 PM  

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.
 
2012-11-15 12:57:00 PM  

Pair-o-Dice: This will not end.


FTFY
 
2012-11-15 12:57:20 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: What the fark am I reading??


It's not what you are reading, it's what you don't seem to know. Like the palestinian attacks on Israel that lead to the killing of Ahmed al Jaabari.
 
2012-11-15 12:57:26 PM  

Treygreen13: hbk72777: I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?

If we're going by past conflicts, 7:1.


Everyone knows that when betting on Jews you assume you'll get 8:1 returns, not 7
 
2012-11-15 12:57:37 PM  

sillydragon: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Great...now I have this picture in my head of Israel wearing a giant steel yarmulke.


You're not the only one.
 
2012-11-15 12:57:40 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?

Jesus went to Utah not Wyoming. Get your facts straight.

/search it up


The Jews killed Jesus. I figured we wouldn't want them next to each other. Keep Colorado there as a buffer.
 
2012-11-15 12:57:52 PM  
But was there any genital contact? Come on media! Ask the hard questions already!
 
2012-11-15 12:57:52 PM  

netweavr: Wicked Chinchilla: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

By get real, you mean go through their usual cycle.

Its not like this isn't fairly routine now. This same sudden escalation occurs either every 1, 2, or 3 years, basically. Things will blow up, people will die, the borders will be restored to their "last known best configuration" and the clock will be reset.

Is it something to be concerned about? Sure. But the bolded stuff above is a bit absurd for something that happens so frequently.

/you do live there, so I definitely get why its more hyped up for you, but as a third party on the far side of the world its not that I don't care, its that I am completely unsurprised.

People die during these escalations, you know...


and its a senseless, stupid tragedy that they do. But not surprising
 
2012-11-15 12:58:42 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.


Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?
 
2012-11-15 12:58:45 PM  

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Or perhaps the world has blinders on.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:11 PM  
Good night, everyone. I'll see you back here in 3 hours when we've got 800 posts.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:19 PM  

BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


They already have Florida, they don't need a second one.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:37 PM  

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


I'm not so sure. The "occupation by settlers" worked for Egypt in the Gaza Strip up until 1967. It worked for Jorgan in the West Bank, as well. But then the Jordanian forces bugged out, left their "settlers" behind, and then revoked their Jordanian citizenship.

Of course, Israel was able to re-acquire the territory in just a matter of days, so maybe war does work better.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:17 PM  
I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:22 PM  

badaboom: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Or perhaps the world has blinders on.


Yes, thats it. Everyone around you is crazy. YOU'RE the sane one.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:27 PM  
shower_in_my_socks: " I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message."

Sadly, I'm thinking this has more to do with it than anything. It's not like the rockets are a *new* thing. And it's not like the uptick in launches were unprovoked.
I mean, wtf would anyone *expect* after you live-tweet the assassination of one of their leaders and pre-announce your intentions to invade and directly occupy?
Right or wrong, you've escalated things and can't really use a response as justification for your initial action.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:31 PM  

JK47: Yeah, it's outrageous that Palestinians in the Hamas Ghetto would lash out at the party confining them in a large open air prison while preventing them from seeking gainful employment, receiving basic medical care, and obtaining basic necessities & materials.


wait wait wait wait wait wait
I am confused.
Are you saying that Gazans have the right to work in Israel? Because that is the most retarded thing that I have ever heard and I watched the GOP primary.

No one in a foreign country has a right to work in another country. period.

Sucks that these two neighboring countries are at war, but people die in war, people suffer in war.
Strange, hasnt Egypt been much better off since they signed a peace treaty with Israel?

I am not suggesting that Gaza will ever sign a peace treaty with Israel, nor would the Gazan government ever be professional enough to stop its army from attacking Israel.

/Yes - Gaza is a country. Yes - the militants are the Gazan army. Pretending otherwise doesnt change reality. Yes - the sooner that the rest of the world stop pretending, the sooner that we have less lying in the reporting.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:34 PM  

BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.


It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:42 PM  

BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


Why?
 
2012-11-15 01:00:54 PM  
An oppressed people are passed off at the slow genocide committed on them through starvation, illness, poverty, and illegal settlement. I'm sure if the Native Americans had rockets back in the 1800s they would have been lobbing them at the Calvary too.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:57 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.


Oh god, are they alright? They could've heard a small pop! That's terrifying!
 
2012-11-15 01:00:59 PM  

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Just because something is "popular" or supported blindly doesn't make it right.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:03 PM  
I'm not saying any escalation will happen. We don't know. Egypt's Prez wants to stroll through Gaza tomorrow...

But note to Gaza habitants.

When the lights go out, you lose your internet ? Then you better get away from those areas where they are launching and storing the rockets and mortars.

Leaflets have been dropped. You've been warned.

Iran's foward operating base just might get a hammerin'

/Just sayin'
 
2012-11-15 01:01:04 PM  
Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:07 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.


A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them
 
2012-11-15 01:01:21 PM  

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.


There isn't already tension between the US and Mexico over disputed territory. Nor is the US unlawfully settling in Mexican land.

That has happened before and we now have Texas.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:28 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?


Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?
 
2012-11-15 01:01:39 PM  

Treygreen13: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

Maybe if they ask the Zetas nicely they'll get some real political support behind the Mexican Government.


Yeah, that's a counterpoint from any international position here: "how can we support X if we have Y problem right here?". It makes sense, but in the long run it can be counter-productive.

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


They were speaking of sending aid. But, the problem is, when Mexico sends aid, it does so with the Army, and the Mexican army, and it could give a bad precedent to Israel.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:44 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.


NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA

BAT YAM
 
2012-11-15 01:01:59 PM  

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.


That is a horrible analogy. What if the US were building settlements on Mexican land with US checkpoints dotted over the country. Now Mexico fires rockets into the US. That is a little closer.
 
2012-11-15 01:02:27 PM  

coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.


I should say, "It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label FOR ANYONE who critiques Israel's policies." I don't doubt that anti-Semitism fuels many people's critique of Israel, but not everyone's.
 
2012-11-15 01:02:30 PM  

badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.


As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?
 
2012-11-15 01:02:39 PM  

queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?


Hey now.
 
2012-11-15 01:02:45 PM  

coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.


And yet, in my experience, I'm right more often than I'm not. I mean, really, Mexico and Colombia? Hugely Catholic countries that don't like Jews? Who knew?
 
2012-11-15 01:02:52 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?


Asteroids!
 
2012-11-15 01:03:02 PM  
if i lived there, i'd buy some of these and drive around :) 

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2012-11-15 01:03:05 PM  

BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?


No?
 
2012-11-15 01:03:15 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message.


See, this is the perfect example of someone who feels the need to talk, and yet has no idea, absolutely no idea, of what he's talking about
 
2012-11-15 01:03:45 PM  

Tatsuma: TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.

A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them


I think this is the one issue we both disagree with. But, I think both we can agree that innocents on both sides have suffered enough, and this needs to resolved like civilized men.
 
2012-11-15 01:03:53 PM  

coco ebert: coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.

I should say, "It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label FOR ANYONE who critiques Israel's policies." I don't doubt that anti-Semitism fuels many people's critique of Israel, but not everyone's.


D'oh, missed your adjustment before I replied the first time.
 
2012-11-15 01:03:56 PM  

BgJonson79: Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.


You think the US was much better? Christians in general disliked / hated jews all the way up to 1945-48, US or not.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:03 PM  

BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?


Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:17 PM  
Don't worry, President Peace Prize has got this.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:22 PM  

CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more


a large number of South American countries have government officials, especially in their foreign affairs departments with middle east ties
 
2012-11-15 01:04:22 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.



Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?


May I ask why not?
 
2012-11-15 01:04:29 PM  

Tatsuma: I am sorry, 'prodded'? They fired nearly 500 rockets in a month. 500. Hundreds in the last couple of weeks. And then you think Israel overreacts by striking 20 times at those trying to fire rockets? Are you serious?



Well since both Gaza and the West Bank are Occupied Territories and Israel is the Occupying Power you are ultimately responsible for this mess. Israel has given Palestinians exactly ZERO reasons to feel anything but hatred towards Israel. Economic restrictions, travel restrictions, importation restrictions, fuel shortages, incursions & attacks that leave a bodycount many times higher than anything Palestinians are capable of. Of course Palestinians are going to attack Israel...they have nothing to live for, nothing to do, and the party responsible lies right next door. If Palestinians did nothing Israelis would still enjoy a quality of life that's tremendously better than what Palestinians can achieve. If the Palestinians lash out nothing really changes for them (conditions will continue to suck) but it makes things just a bit more miserable for Israelis.

That's the risk/reward outcome that Israeli policy has encouraged. So yeah, this shiat is all your (collectively) fault.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:30 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Or perhaps the world has blinders on.

Yes, thats it. Everyone around you is crazy. YOU'RE the sane one.


Yeah, I know. At At one point nearly everyone in Alabama didn't want blacks to go to school with whites. The ones who thought otherwise were obviously the crazy ones.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:46 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?


Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:48 PM  

coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.


Armenians?
 
2012-11-15 01:04:55 PM  

GAT_00: I actually expect Israel will annex both the West Bank and Gaza once this round is done.


shudder
While you might be right, HOW does Israel manage them then?
Military curfew.
House to house searches for weapons and militants.
Rounding up anyone with a gun or looks like a bad guy.

I guess with enough soldiers and enough casualties you could do this in Gaza.
Kind of like steaming the rug in your living room, move EVERYONE to one side of the country, sweep and replace as you go.

I would imagine that there would be a lot of complaining while this was going on. Rock throwing and what not.


Scorched Earth.
 
2012-11-15 01:05:03 PM  

coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.


I absolutely agree :-D
 
2012-11-15 01:05:40 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: cameroncrazy1984: evoke: Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives

How is bulldozing homes "benevolent"?

[a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 281x384]
Don't tread there.


I met her Dad at a protest last year. Him and a large group of people were standing in DC and protesting Caterpillar for selling the bulldozers that the Israelis use. He was a nice guy but the protest made no sense to me.
 
2012-11-15 01:05:40 PM  

GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.


I dunno where you learned Theology, but they're the same Guy.
 
2012-11-15 01:05:51 PM  

dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?


I'm counting on everyone having a deathwish/belief in an afterlife, actually. Makes it easier to turn the whole benighted strip of stony fields into a Turkish marina.
 
2012-11-15 01:06:06 PM  
Subby jokes, but at least the Patraeus story isn't as old as my grandparents.
 
2012-11-15 01:06:20 PM  

Brontes: coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.

Armenians?


*quizzical dog look* They have their own state.
 
2012-11-15 01:06:21 PM  

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

You think the US was much better? Christians in general disliked / hated jews all the way up to 1945-48, US or not.


Luckily, lots of people have learned of the mistakes of the past. Just not everyone.
 
2012-11-15 01:06:23 PM  

davidphogan: Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?

Asteroids?


wow. i was way late on that, but... it's nice to know there's another misanthrope/classic videogame fan out there. Here's to you!

And here's to Asteroids!
 
2012-11-15 01:06:34 PM  
F-ing Netanyahu assassinated the head of the Hamas security forces, One of the people actually capable of keeping all the factions inline to kick off this latest round of BS. He did it in the lead up to elections.

This is all BS. The other difference this time around is that Egypt isn't under our complete control, they could easily make this situation much much worse.
 
2012-11-15 01:06:41 PM  

topcon: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?

Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.


Doesn't change the fact that Netanyahu is still a hyper conservative douchecanoe.
 
2012-11-15 01:07:10 PM  
If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.
 
2012-11-15 01:07:16 PM  

jshine: Subby jokes, but at least the Patraeus story isn't as old as my grandparents.


For F*CKS SAKE spell his name right.
 
2012-11-15 01:07:26 PM  

CygnusDarius: Yeah, that's a counterpoint from any international position here: "how can we support X if we have Y problem right here?". It makes sense, but in the long run it can be counter-productive.


Well, practically, what could Mexico do? Other than add a vote to an opinion poll, of course. Knowing that a country nearly 8000 miles away agrees with your stance as Israel marches their very prepared and very eager army into Gaza is... well... nothing.
 
2012-11-15 01:07:30 PM  
I think we should just stand back and let Israel do what they like.

They are more then capable of handling Hamas on their own.

Hamas will be crying uncle inside of a week and Israel say "and if you do it again, we will hand your ass to you once more" then go back to Israel.
 
2012-11-15 01:07:46 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry
 
2012-11-15 01:07:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: topcon: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?

Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.

Doesn't change the fact that Netanyahu is still a hyper conservative douchecanoe.


Point being, Israel is a LOT more liberal than any majority Islamic country, period.
 
2012-11-15 01:08:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: topcon: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?

Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.

Doesn't change the fact that Netanyahu is still a hyper conservative douchecanoe.


We choose the lesser of evils, why can't they?
 
2012-11-15 01:08:05 PM  

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


Cuba started building nuclear missiles. How did we react, again?
 
2012-11-15 01:08:10 PM  

BgJonson79: GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.

I dunno where you learned Theology, but they're the same Guy.



Jews dig Allah?
 
2012-11-15 01:08:15 PM  

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:08:15 PM  

Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.


Or, the best IDF can do to get an excuse to expedite their ethnic cleansing and genocide. It never seized to amaze me that all the rockets will 99.99% time fell somewhere where nothing will happen to no one (which is a good thing because they are civilians too). At the end, it always give them excuse to do what they want to do, steal more Palestinian land.
 
2012-11-15 01:08:44 PM  

BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?


No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?
 
2012-11-15 01:08:46 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: jshine: Subby jokes, but at least the Patraeus story isn't as old as my grandparents.

For F*CKS SAKE spell his name right.


Yes, its wrong, but its subby's spelling. ;-)
 
2012-11-15 01:08:50 PM  

Raharu: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better then nothing.


Well, it's really more of an Iron Colander
 
2012-11-15 01:08:54 PM  

Raharu: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better then nothing.


Iron dome on shoots at ones that are a direct threat to civilians. It does not target all incoming rockets/mortars/missiles.

Like Phalanx, it can be programmed to shoot only threats.


/this was probably already mentioned
//but you can't have enough military lingo in fark
 
2012-11-15 01:08:58 PM  

GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.


nu uh, your God is fat

go be fat somewhere else
 
2012-11-15 01:09:04 PM  

BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: topcon: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?

Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.

Doesn't change the fact that Netanyahu is still a hyper conservative douchecanoe.

We choose the lesser of evils, why can't they?


Speak for yourself, sir. Obama isn't the lesser of two evils.
 
2012-11-15 01:09:49 PM  
Looking at the bigger picture, it is worth bearing in mind that the Hamas leadership are not just focused on Israel. Hamas have provided services to the Palestinians, which, whether those services are that good or not, combine with the rhetoric and fear to create plenty of immediate support. The Hamas leadership is also really fully behind the idea of destroying the wider-than-Israel west - particularly America (not because of American support of Israel, but because of American leadership of the free world - to which it is ideologically opposed)
 
2012-11-15 01:09:50 PM  

BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?


Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.
 
2012-11-15 01:09:54 PM  

GungFu: BgJonson79: GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.

I dunno where you learned Theology, but they're the same Guy.


Jews dig Allah?


Of course. Allah = God = Yahweh. Christianity is the second version of Judaism, Islam is the third.

I find theological history fascinating.
 
2012-11-15 01:10:03 PM  
The Gaza strip should be evacuated of all people. They can be relocated to Beth Shean or some other part of Israel that is less strategically important. Hopefully wherever they go gets taken over by an Arab government. Maybe Jordan?
 
2012-11-15 01:10:10 PM  

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


The entire country would be crying for the use of nuclear weapons against Cuba.

/'nuke em till they glow' would be the chant from American citizens.
//or 'remember 9/11. never again. Nuke em till they glow.'
 
2012-11-15 01:10:40 PM  

kindms: F-ing Netanyahu assassinated the head of the Hamas security forces, One of the people actually capable of keeping all the factions inline to kick off this latest round of BS. He did it in the lead up to elections.

This is all BS. The other difference this time around is that Egypt isn't under our complete control, they could easily make this situation much much worse.


By getting their asses kicked by Israel again? In any case the U.S. should do exactly jack shiat. This is not, and has never been, our problem.
 
2012-11-15 01:10:41 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

The rockets are homemade, short ranged, have no guidance mechanisms, and small warheads.

Put a hand grenade on an over-sized hobby rocket and you have a crude idea of what they are launching. They aren't exactly lobbing scuds over the wall.


Actually, they are firing increasingly sophisticated missiles - supplied by Iran. But even the crude Kassams are intolerable - because the weapons are unsophisticated, Israel has no right to respond? If someone attacks you with a rock, do you not defend yourself because the weapon is primitive?

How many of the people posting in this forum have ever been out running and had to seek shelter when an air raid siren went off? It's not fun.
 
2012-11-15 01:10:49 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: But what's the latest with Patraeus?

He evidently changed the spelling of his name, for one....


I did a Google search and found 3.3 million hits for Patraeus, so I vote we let Subby off the hook on misspelling it.

Not Subby.

Although I am a bit peeved that three point three million hits with the wrong spelling makes it really hard for me to make a joke about Patraeus being dead since 200 B.C or whatever.

At the moment many of the conspiry theorists are trying to work up conspiracies based on the Latin-sounding name of Petraeus, some connecting it to Saint Malachy's prophecies of the Last Pope (No. 112 in his list of "future" popes), who would be Petrus Romanus (Pope Peter the Roman).

Since Benedict XVI is Pope 111 in this list, we've got one more to go, and probably sooner rather than later, seeing as Benedictus is 86 years old and looking kinda ghoulish.

Not that I believe in the prophecies of Saint Malachy, who I often call Saint Malarky before I can think of his name. He's Irish, too, so Saint Malarky is appropriate I think. There needs to be at least one Saint Malarky in the Church Calendar somewhere, even if he is only unofficial.

I nominate Saint Malarky as the Patron Saint of Liars, Fools, Morans, people who talk twaddle, Farkers, Talking Point propagandists, and Lawyers. The truthiness shall set you free to believe any old crap you want.

I nominate Saint Emygdius of Sienna as the Patron Saint of homosexuals. Look him up and you'll figure out why for yourself.
 
2012-11-15 01:10:57 PM  

mayIFark: never seized to amaze me


*facepalm*
 
2012-11-15 01:11:02 PM  

coco ebert: Brontes: coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.

Armenians?

*quizzical dog look* They have their own state.


Sorry, was giving an example of Armenians having their own state and being an ethnic group.
 
2012-11-15 01:11:10 PM  

coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.


I'm starting to think that the only reason we give them $16 billion for their "defense" budget every year is because we don't want anyone to call us Nazis. WWII was a tragedy and all, but I think we've done our share of the fighting now.
 
2012-11-15 01:11:30 PM  

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


Are we currently taking cubans land despite saying we wouldn't, and refusing to allow other cubans to returns to their homes that we previously took?
 
2012-11-15 01:11:40 PM  

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


This would be the wholesale acquistion of land that Israel evacuated in 2005?
 
2012-11-15 01:11:55 PM  
I don't get how almost ALL Jews in congress are Democrats, but any strike against Hamas (or any other radical group who terrorize Israel) are likened to being Dubya-esque war mongers.

It's astonishing that you kids don't know who run your own party, and who also fully support these actions (if only behind closed doors).
 
2012-11-15 01:12:01 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?


Of course the one whose name you write on the "TO: " field of your check.
 
2012-11-15 01:12:19 PM  

coco ebert: Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.


Quebecois don't even like Quebecois.
 
2012-11-15 01:12:20 PM  

BgJonson79: GungFu: BgJonson79: GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.

I dunno where you learned Theology, but they're the same Guy.


Jews dig Allah?

Of course. Allah = God = Yahweh. Christianity is the second version of Judaism, Islam is the third.

I find theological history fascinating.



Man, so why are these cawksuckers fighting? This is some serious dumb shiat, man. Brother against Brother. Y'all need to cut this shiat out, Motherfarkers.
Oh, and stop cutting up y'all baby penises.
 
2012-11-15 01:12:24 PM  

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?


Who did they take the land from? Hint: Palestinians lived there, but owned very little. Why do you think so few have deeds?

As for living groups, there's a lot of planet, and usually homogeneity tends to results in less problems. The alternative is de facto genocide.
 
2012-11-15 01:13:17 PM  

namatad: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

What's cute is that anyone thinks that Israel over reacts. It is a war, there is no over reaction. As long as the Gazan military targets civilians in Israel and hides amongst the Gazan population, there will be civilian casualties.

Why do we pretend that it isnt a war? Why do we pretend that civilians dont get hurt during a war?
If the Gazan warlords dont want civilians to get hurt, they should stay on military bases and not drive in cars with kiddies. LOL

Seriously. Do the Gazans WANT another occupation? While it SUCKS to be the average gazan, it also sucks that your democratically elected government has gone to war with another country.

Stop calling the militants. Pretending that your government is not in control is part of your problem.
Either they are not in control and therefore they are not a government, or they are in control and part of the problem.

If only there were some way for a government to control and stop its "civilians" from firing rockets.
And if you are not going to stop them, WHAT do you expect to happen in return?

WHOOPS, well NOW you are going to find out the hard way. AGAIN.

LOL


proportionate response! get with the program!

if a Palestinian kills a Jew, then you get to write a sternly worded letter to the UN.

you don't get to fight back. you're a bunch of usurious Israelis!

/I always love the proportionate response thing. I get a big smile out of it.
 
2012-11-15 01:13:24 PM  
How much is this going to cost me?
 
2012-11-15 01:13:30 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?

Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.


So we should have one big uniform culture?
 
2012-11-15 01:13:36 PM  
I tried to find Tatsumas "Hurrah civilians died lets jump on a grassy hill" pic but could only find this

www.fbastard.com
 
2012-11-15 01:13:43 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:13:57 PM  
Not a repeat from 1948, 1967, 1973, 2002, etc.?


/Probably would have the same outcomes
 
2012-11-15 01:13:57 PM  

dr_blasto: queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?

Hey now.


Alright. I-25 from Casper to Colorado and East to Nebraska. Fair?

/Used to live in Cheyenne
 
2012-11-15 01:14:13 PM  

doubled99: I can't believe how many of you actually attempt to argue which side is morally in the "right".


This is the same moron argument about ALL WARS. "OURS" is always the moral side. LOL
It is a war. People on both sides will die. Counting bodies is NOT how you decide who wins or who over reacted. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Today's wars are no longer fought on battlefields, they are fought in cities where there is LOTS of physical and human cover. LOL

Sorry, but it is a bit funny when your own soldiers use your house and your child as cover. The army certainly doesnt care if the civilians get hurt.

So what is the solution?
Pretend that this isnt the Israelis and the Gazans for a second.
It is the Star Bellied Sneeches versus the Bare-Bellies Sneeches.
How do you stop a war?
How do you stop an asymmetric war?
How do you root out an army which has dug-in inside of a city?

Funny, I used to remember hearing about suicide bombs/bombers in Israel. What happened to that?
Oh right, Israel built a wall between the three countries and patrol and defend that border now.
SHOCKING the suicide attacks went to virtually zero after doing that. Why is that??

Oh look, rocket attacks picked up after the suicide bombers were stopped.
You know, this is my NK and SK have such a large DMZ.
Much harder for the countries to interact.
 
2012-11-15 01:14:18 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7435967/80714200#c80714200" target="_blank">Uncle Tractor</a>:</b> <i>BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?</i>

The goal should not be ethnic groups getting more segregated.
 
2012-11-15 01:14:23 PM  
The fecal matter has interacted with the ventilation impeller.
 
2012-11-15 01:14:37 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.

Cuba started building nuclear missiles. How did we react, again?


um... Cuba did not build nuclear missiles during the Cuban missile crisis. Russia was importing them on boats that were blocked by a US navel blockade. Russia was also funding the construction of the launch sites in Cuba.

We were hours away from going full on MAD over it.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:19 PM  

Brontes: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.

That is a horrible analogy. What if the US were building settlements on Mexican land with US checkpoints dotted over the country. Now Mexico fires rockets into the US. That is a little closer.


I see where you're coming from, but I was heading in a different direction. I meant it as a question of metered retaliation and justified force. Whether you're at my house or your house shouldn't change my reaction to you punching me in the face 169 times. The US wouldn't take it, and I don't think it's fair that people balk at Israel for not standing down and taking it. That's all I meant.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:22 PM  

Gwendolyn: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7435967/80714200#c80714200" target="_blank">Uncle Tractor</a>:</b> <i>BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?</i>

The goal should not be ethnic groups getting more segregated.


Then the result is one big culture, and a loss of all others.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:23 PM  

sethen320: Smeggy Smurf: dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?

They're like an ex-wife that just won't quit trying to fark up your life. Eventually you have to bring the hammer down hard to put an end to the nonsense.

How long ago did she leave you?Did you at least get to keep the car?


5 years and she stole my truck. Since then it's been a regular series of court battles over violating custody and theft
 
2012-11-15 01:15:27 PM  

mayIFark: Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?

Of course the one whose name you write on the "TO: " field of your check.


We should just sell nukes to both of them -- the really big multi-megaton cold-war era ones. ...and along with the nukes can come a free, complimentary truck-load of PCP.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:33 PM  

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Aim for areas near buildings, but usually uninhabited at that time of day. Both Israel and Hamas look like they're trying to minimize casualties.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:59 PM  

BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?

Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.

So we should have one big uniform culture?


Uniform?

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:16:18 PM  

Brontes: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.

That is a horrible analogy. What if the US were building settlements on Mexican American land with US checkpoints dotted over the country along the border. Now Mexico fires rockets into the US. That is a little closer.


Even closer.
 
2012-11-15 01:16:37 PM  

kindms: This is all BS. The other difference this time around is that Egypt isn't under our complete control, they could easily make this situation much much worse.



Hahahaa...giggle Egypt can't and won't do shiat.
Hezbollah ? ..... won't do shiat.
 
2012-11-15 01:16:37 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?

Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.

So we should have one big uniform culture?

Uniform?

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 194x259]


+1 Internets to you!
 
2012-11-15 01:16:46 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry



I bet all your friends think your hilarious.
 
2012-11-15 01:16:57 PM  

Gwendolyn: An oppressed people are passed off at the slow genocide committed on them through starvation, illness, poverty, and illegal settlement. I'm sure if the Native Americans had rockets back in the 1800s they would have been lobbing them at the Calvary too.


So you admit that ALL countries today exist on the dead (or assimilated) backs of the previous owners of the land?

Yah, kind of sucks, but that is humanity.

The only proper solution to the mideast problem is to send ALL of them back to africa and give the land back to the goats. (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)
 
2012-11-15 01:16:59 PM  
so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?
 
2012-11-15 01:17:11 PM  

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Sorry, the guy who aims was in the john.
 
2012-11-15 01:17:18 PM  
Here's a recap of the situation, acted out by cute animals:-
Link
/Israel is the cat
 
2012-11-15 01:17:30 PM  
Hamas et al (although today's missiles were courtesy of the Islamic Jihad, which has never been a signatory to any agreement with Israel) have been firing on Israel's South since Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The international community only feels sorry for civilians when they're Palestinian. The Israeli killed and wounded, homes destroyed, daily routine disrupted, goes largely unreported in the international press because the story isn't "sexy."

Sorry if we have better defenses - but that doesn't justify the Palestinian terrorists' actions.
 
2012-11-15 01:18:00 PM  

mod3072: ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

Sorry, the guy who aims was in the john.


At least the floor will be clean
 
2012-11-15 01:18:08 PM  

Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.


Don't pretend you don't have a boner. No doubt you'll donate a few bucks to humanitarian aid so you can buy a little moral credibility.
 
2012-11-15 01:18:28 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.


No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.
 
2012-11-15 01:18:45 PM  

GAT_00



topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back.

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


Do you just make crap up, post it and then behold your work as if you are some type of analyst.

Can't remember who said it about you but it was to the effect "GAT I see you post alot on this site and have noticed most of the time you don't know what you are talking about"

Now thats an analyst.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:02 PM  

mayIFark: Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.

Or, the best IDF can do to get an excuse to expedite their ethnic cleansing and genocide. It never seized to amaze me that all the rockets will 99.99% time fell somewhere where nothing will happen to no one (which is a good thing because they are civilians too). At the end, it always give them excuse to do what they want to do, steal more Palestinian land.


if Israel is trying to ethnically cleans the Palestinians they frankly suck at it. I mean the Jordanians have killed more back during Black September than Israel during both Intifidas [1][2]. Also Syria has killed 100s of Palestinians during the current uprising and has been actively targeting them, where is the outrage? Or is the outrage only when it involves Israel? everyone else has carte blanche to kill as many Palestinians as they want and deny them rights.

Either be consistent in what constitutes "genocide" (which has you know a legal definition as does ethnic cleansing) and what fair treatment of either the Palestinians or more broadly stateless ethnic groups is or admit you only care because the Jews are involved.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:15 PM  

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


To be honest, if cuba was aiming at some of the more GOP crazy parts of floriduh, I would be ok with that. You know, anywhere rick scott is.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:51 PM  

queezyweezel: the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?



They actually killed people this time?  Well, you mess with the bull, you get the horns.  You play with fire, you gonna get burned.  You push a man living in a van down by the river, you end up dismembered and cooked over a coffee can fire.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:53 PM  

Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?


Israel wins with far fewer civilian casualties then any war America has engaged in in the past decade.

/They're pretty farking good at waging war inside cities.
//It's kind of exactly what they've been training for their entire existence.
 
2012-11-15 01:20:23 PM  

GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.


That's a rather pristine cloth cover for a baby supposedly killed in a rocket attack. Did a congenital heart condition trigger when the kid was scared to death by the noise of an explosion? Or is the guy just an actor grieving over a sack of potatoes?

And yes, I am accusing the Gazan arm of the BBC staging a photo. It wouldn't be the first time.
 
2012-11-15 01:20:24 PM  

queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good

and let them solve their own problems, on their own dime ?

FTFY
 
2012-11-15 01:20:27 PM  

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?


Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?
 
2012-11-15 01:21:27 PM  

zedster: mayIFark: Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.

Or, the best IDF can do to get an excuse to expedite their ethnic cleansing and genocide. It never seized to amaze me that all the rockets will 99.99% time fell somewhere where nothing will happen to no one (which is a good thing because they are civilians too). At the end, it always give them excuse to do what they want to do, steal more Palestinian land.

if Israel is trying to ethnically cleans the Palestinians they frankly suck at it. I mean the Jordanians have killed more back during Black September than Israel during both Intifidas [1][2]. Also Syria has killed 100s of Palestinians during the current uprising and has been actively targeting them, where is the outrage? Or is the outrage only when it involves Israel? everyone else has carte blanche to kill as many Palestinians as they want and deny them rights.

Either be consistent in what constitutes "genocide" (which has you know a legal definition as does ethnic cleansing) and what fair treatment of either the Palestinians or more broadly stateless ethnic groups is or admit you only care because the Jews are involved.



Ethnic cleansing isn't just outright murder. Your tu quoque fallacy aside, Israel is a state that practices apartheid
 
2012-11-15 01:21:27 PM  

Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?


Your taxes go up to pay for their bullets.
 
2012-11-15 01:21:29 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.

No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.


George Carlin doesn't make fun of people grieving over their dead children. All you are is despicable.
 
2012-11-15 01:21:49 PM  

DrPainMD: queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good and let them solve their own problems, on their own dime ?

FTFY


Works for me.

I can't wait to go to Israel myself.
 
2012-11-15 01:22:11 PM  
Is israel going to do anything other some minor millitary action and return fire? No? Then everything is routine, nothing changed and be prepared for this story to come around again in a year or two. This isnt even news any more, this is like declaring that the seasons have changed, yea no shiat thanks for the update. Is the sky still blue? Simply put, we dont care. Oh look they are killing each other, still.....call us when they start a mass extermination of civillians.

Oh WAIT a 100 people might get killed?!??! yea add 3 zeros and maybe its worth a fark headline. farking drama queen nations of the planet need to step up their game if they want to make the news.

/oh look tat has his own thread again....shocker
 
2012-11-15 01:23:07 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?


What percentage of Israelis are secular vs the percentage of secular Gazans?
 
2012-11-15 01:23:17 PM  

BgJonson79: Who did they take the land from? Hint: Palestinians lived there, but owned very little. Why do you think so few have deeds?


Let me rephrase the question:

upload.wikimedia.org

How does one create a jewish homeland in an area where more than 90% of the population is arab? Before you start, I don't give a crap about deeds and ownership. It's just not relevant.

As for living groups, there's a lot of planet, and usually homogeneity tends to results in less problems. The alternative is de facto genocide.

There's a lot of planet, sure, and it's all taken.
 
2012-11-15 01:23:26 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?



Or that if the United States had been occupying Mexico for the last 50 years.
 
2012-11-15 01:23:29 PM  

Buffalo77: GAT_00


topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back.

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Do you just make crap up, post it and then behold your work as if you are some type of analyst.

Can't remember who said it about you but it was to the effect "GAT I see you post alot on this site and have noticed most of the time you don't know what you are talking about"

Now thats an analyst.


Which of his points are not true? The settlements? War as a means of Israeli land grabs? Because both of those things are absolute fact, no matter your interpretation of who's right or wrong (for which the correct answer is: both).
 
2012-11-15 01:23:34 PM  

namatad: Gwendolyn: An oppressed people are passed off at the slow genocide committed on them through starvation, illness, poverty, and illegal settlement. I'm sure if the Native Americans had rockets back in the 1800s they would have been lobbing them at the Calvary too.

So you admit that ALL countries today exist on the dead (or assimilated) backs of the previous owners of the land?

Yah, kind of sucks, but that is humanity.

The only proper solution to the mideast problem is to send ALL of them back to africa and give the land back to the goats. (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)


Of course all civilizations are built through war and conquering some are more bloody than others. Own the fark up to doing it instead of blaming the victims.

Also I hate America helps pay for it. Warmonger on your own dime. We do.
 
2012-11-15 01:23:57 PM  

queezyweezel: JusticeandIndependence: Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.

No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.

George Carlin doesn't make fun of people grieving over their dead children. All you are is despicable.


1. I wasn't making fun of him at all.
2. This is Fark, grow the fark up. People joke all the time around here.
 
2012-11-15 01:24:08 PM  

fluffy2097: I think we should just stand back and let Israel do what they like.

They are more then capable of handling Hamas on their own.

Hamas will be crying uncle inside of a week and Israel say "and if you do it again, we will hand your ass to you once more" then go back to Israel.



People get mad if we give them money.  People get mad if we don't pull their leash.  People get mad.
 
I'm a big believer in "If you can't figure it out in 60 years, then screw you." 
 
This also applies to Afghanistan...why are we there again?  We got OBL.  We went in to do that.  We aren't building nations.
 
2012-11-15 01:24:32 PM  
No one "deserves" the land until one side has utterly annhilated the other.
 
2012-11-15 01:24:52 PM  

DrPainMD: queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good and let them solve their own problems, on their own dime ?

FTFY


I'm okay with that personally, but there are so many pro-Israeli people in the US, I figured there's no way we can cut ties.
 
2012-11-15 01:25:06 PM  

queezyweezel: the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?


{/thread}
 
2012-11-15 01:25:33 PM  

Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?


35 foot twinkies weighing 600 lbs for everybody
 
2012-11-15 01:25:35 PM  

chiefsfaninkc: Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.


It looks like the entire Mideast has erupted into a shiatstorm since Obama took office.

But hey, we got universal healthcare.
 
2012-11-15 01:25:36 PM  

Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?


I'll live tweet it for you.

/Waiting for the call up phone call.
//Should do some laundry, to make sure I have enough underwear.
 
2012-11-15 01:25:36 PM  

GentDirkly: The Gaza strip should be evacuated of all people. They can be relocated to Beth Shean or some other part of Israel that is less strategically important. Hopefully wherever they go gets taken over by an Arab government. Maybe Jordan?


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You are actually on to something here.
Or do a land purchase from Jordan, buy twice the land as gaza currently is.
build a giant wall on the israel and jordan side of it.
move EVERYONE and everything.
probably would have to build a TON of cement housing before you moved all the people

there are ample examples in history of forced relocation of people.
Hell, Jordan might be work with this if they could also solve their palestinian refugee problem at the same time!!!

fark
I like this solution.
Time to work on the details!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Hell, get Egypt and the US to sign up on the deal and it would happen.
Egypt would be SO FARKING HAPPY to have an Israeli border instead of a Gazan Border!
 
2012-11-15 01:25:48 PM  

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Who did they take the land from? Hint: Palestinians lived there, but owned very little. Why do you think so few have deeds?

Let me rephrase the question:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x213]

How does one create a jewish homeland in an area where more than 90% of the population is arab? Before you start, I don't give a crap about deeds and ownership. It's just not relevant.

As for living groups, there's a lot of planet, and usually homogeneity tends to results in less problems. The alternative is de facto genocide.

There's a lot of planet, sure, and it's all taken.


It's absolutely relevant. If (generic) your landlord sells his building that (generic) you live in to someone else and they turn it into a Walmart, that's how it goes. You can't do what you want with someone else's land. The Turks sold it all off when they lost WWI.
 
2012-11-15 01:25:54 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?



Can you imagine if Indiana closed its border with Ohio over the 2012 presidential election and started lobbing rotten tomatoes at Dayton?
 
2012-11-15 01:26:05 PM  
It never ceases to amuse me to see the side reknowned for dropping white phosphorus muntions on schools and refugee camps complaining about the deliberate targetting of civilians.

Oh, no, sorry. I meant disgusts. My bad.


/both sides really are as bad as each other, so vote Bacon.
 
2012-11-15 01:26:05 PM  

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Muslim engineers.
 
2012-11-15 01:26:05 PM  

DarnoKonrad: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?


Or that if the United States had been occupying Mexico for the last 50 years.


It would sort of be a bit more like a bunch of angry American Irish Catholics returning to Northern Ireland a few thousand years from now and declaring it their own with international support.
 
2012-11-15 01:26:08 PM  

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.


People wouldn't have so much of a problem if Israel annexed Gaza (well some would, surely). The problem is Israel wants the land but doesn't want the people that live on it to have any sort of rights or anything. Israel needs to come to terms with the fact that is is either going to have give back land, grant full citizenship to all residents of Israeli controlled land, or be an apartheid state. Of course there are details that are the hangup, but those are seriously the only options politically in the long run.

I'm all for Israel's right to defend itself and I agree that this is definitely a justified response SO FAR. I have my doubts if it will stay that way and have a sneaking suspicion white phosphorous rounds will end up in urban areas very soon. Israel has a habit of taking "defense" to mean "massively escalate".
 
2012-11-15 01:26:13 PM  

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


As long as they don't attack American soil
 
2012-11-15 01:26:18 PM  

namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)


Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.
 
2012-11-15 01:26:33 PM  

BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?

Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.

So we should have one big uniform culture?

Uniform?

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 194x259]

+1 Internets to you!


I say +2 internets to you.

/lap seat
 
2012-11-15 01:27:01 PM  

namatad: GentDirkly: The Gaza strip should be evacuated of all people. They can be relocated to Beth Shean or some other part of Israel that is less strategically important. Hopefully wherever they go gets taken over by an Arab government. Maybe Jordan?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You are actually on to something here.
Or do a land purchase from Jordan, buy twice the land as gaza currently is.
build a giant wall on the israel and jordan side of it.
move EVERYONE and everything.
probably would have to build a TON of cement housing before you moved all the people


You know this would never work. The Palestinians are clearly anti-cementic.
 
2012-11-15 01:27:07 PM  

namatad: wait wait wait wait wait wait
I am confused.
Are you saying that Gazans have the right to work in Israel? Because that is the most retarded thing that I have ever heard and I watched the GOP primary.

No one in a foreign country has a right to work in another country. period.



wait wait wait wait wait wait. I am confused. Are you saying that Gaza is (at least a portion of) a free and independent state? Because that's the most retarded (and patently false) thing that I have ever heard and I watched the GOP primary.

I'm not even going to address the rest of your post since it's predicated on the false premise that Gaza is another country and not an occupied territory.
 
2012-11-15 01:27:13 PM  

I_C_Weener: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?


Can you imagine if Indiana closed its border with Ohio over the 2012 presidential election and started lobbing rotten tomatoes at Dayton?


Not much. Even Ohioans know they suck. Well, they should anyway.
 
2012-11-15 01:28:11 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.


*You're
/derp
 
2012-11-15 01:28:40 PM  

SithLord: chiefsfaninkc: Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.

It looks like the entire Mideast has erupted into a shiatstorm since Obama took office.

But hey, we got universal healthcare.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:28:42 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?

35 foot twinkies weighing 600 lbs for everybody


"Is this true?"

"Yes, this man:

snooper.files.wordpress.com

is a dick".
 
2012-11-15 01:29:35 PM  

queezyweezel: the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?


Just proof that Allah is an inferior god.

Only the Jehovah's Witnesses have a lower success rate when comparing door knocks/conversions to rocket launches/kills.
 
2012-11-15 01:29:37 PM  

Gwendolyn: Of course all civilizations are built through war and conquering some are more bloody than others. Own the fark up to doing it instead of blaming the victims.

Also I hate America helps pay for it. Warmonger on your own dime. We do.


Sure, but, since when does any country ever admit to their warmongering?
China and Taiwan is a good example. The only reason that China hasnt just rolled in their is the water separating them and the us navy.

FFS, we know what happens when the US becomes isolationists. but do we have to be the worlds police?
And yes, I know we do a shiatty job of it, but FFS, no one else is doing anything at all.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Maybe that is the solution?
Wait ... WW3 would be the logical next step. NVM
 
2012-11-15 01:30:12 PM  

BgJonson79: Then the result is one big culture, and a loss of all others.


How would you like to maintain all these cultures? Enforced separation? That's what it would take.

The thing is, that one big culture would contain all the cultural variety of the cultures that blended into it, but none of the strife. Nothing would be lost and new things would appear.
 
2012-11-15 01:30:14 PM  

Raharu: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better than nothing.


More like 90%...
Link
 
2012-11-15 01:30:20 PM  

Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.


So who get's Canada then?
 
2012-11-15 01:30:23 PM  

BgJonson79: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?

What percentage of Israelis are secular vs the percentage of secular Gazans?


What relevance would this have? One side isn't occupying the other here.
 
2012-11-15 01:30:36 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?



I love it how your analogy completely ignores the fact that a lot of Palestinians are religious yahoos who think that blowing yourself up in a crowded market is a one way ticket to heaven.
 
2012-11-15 01:30:39 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?

35 foot twinkies weighing 600 lbs for everybody



That's a big Kosher twinkie.
 
2012-11-15 01:31:19 PM  
I love how nobody gives the faintest shadow of a shiat about Arabs (including the Palestinians in Syrian camps getting used as human shields) until Israel raises a hand to defend itself and all of a sudden they're the bad guys and everyone gets excited.

What do you think the USA would do if Mexico shelled San Diego for a weekend? Glass parking lot doesn't begin to cover it. I hope Israel's leadership has the stones to get this done.
 
2012-11-15 01:31:31 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?


Mexico already fires rockets into Texas. They're full of meth or heroin and have a small cavity in the nose for a parachute.
 
2012-11-15 01:31:39 PM  

Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.


As we all know, the planet didn't exist prior to 1350 BC. Or, more realistically, such arguments suck.
 
2012-11-15 01:31:39 PM  

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Then the result is one big culture, and a loss of all others.

How would you like to maintain all these cultures? Enforced separation? That's what it would take.

The thing is, that one big culture would contain all the cultural variety of the cultures that blended into it, but none of the strife. Nothing would be lost and new things would appear.


You have more faith in humanity than I do, it would seem :-D
 
2012-11-15 01:32:06 PM  
One time my learned father said about the USSR becoming just Russia, "That area has always been ruled by dictators nothing will change."  That seems to apply to the middle east.  That area has always been run b