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2012-11-15 12:24:51 PM
Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.
 
2012-11-15 12:29:22 PM

Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.


Well now you get that holy cleansing of undesirables you always wanted. All glory to the Hebrew state.
 
2012-11-15 12:29:34 PM
So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.
 
2012-11-15 12:30:12 PM
I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.
 
2012-11-15 12:32:56 PM
Does Hamas have a deathwish?
 
2012-11-15 12:35:21 PM
Nobody post before.... oh, wait.

Carry on.
 
2012-11-15 12:36:08 PM
But what's the latest with Patraeus?

He evidently changed the spelling of his name, for one....
 
2012-11-15 12:36:10 PM

GAT_00: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

Well now you get that holy cleansing of undesirables you always wanted. All glory to the Hebrew state.


We're done here.
 
2012-11-15 12:36:28 PM
Don't worry about foreign policy issues... squirrel!
 
2012-11-15 12:36:34 PM

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."
 
2012-11-15 12:36:52 PM
Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.
 
2012-11-15 12:36:55 PM
Can we just blow them both up already and end this, Israel's not THAT good of a friend...
 
2012-11-15 12:37:12 PM
Something Something Gaza Stripper joke goes here.
 
2012-11-15 12:37:45 PM
Speaking of exploding Rockets, did you see James Harden go for 30 last night?
 
2012-11-15 12:37:53 PM

dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?


Yes--maybe it's time to finally grant it.
 
2012-11-15 12:37:56 PM
I've been hit! Get me a Gaza strip for my wound!
 
2012-11-15 12:37:58 PM
Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits
 
2012-11-15 12:37:59 PM
Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.
 
2012-11-15 12:38:02 PM
It's a goddamn shame that a region once known for its vibrant, thoughtful, intelligent people and cultures has been turned into a hellish cesspool by stark raving lunatics.
 
2012-11-15 12:38:08 PM
Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?
 
2012-11-15 12:38:22 PM

dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?


They're like an ex-wife that just won't quit trying to fark up your life. Eventually you have to bring the hammer down hard to put an end to the nonsense.
 
2012-11-15 12:38:45 PM
Is there a cute white teenage girl that has gone missing in Tel Aviv, submitter? No? Then who gives a fark.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:09 PM

pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits


It's ON now!

Someone done farked up!
 
2012-11-15 12:39:21 PM

topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.


Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:22 PM
Moshe Dayan is putting his patch on.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:35 PM
Hamas has committed a double war crime by deliberately launching rockets at civilian targets, while at the same time hiding among civilians. Israel is defending itself and its population.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:36 PM

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


It's tragic, but I've become comfortable with it.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:49 PM
Is everyone feeling good about the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza in 2005? I didn't think so. Nothing but trouble ever since.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:56 PM

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


Sadly that has started to become a "we're better off without the lot of them" attitude for me. Yeah, it's wrong to think that.
 
2012-11-15 12:40:06 PM
This will not end well.
 
2012-11-15 12:40:09 PM
According to this article, there were 451 rockets fired on Israeli civilian populations through October, and at least that many fired again this week alone.

I find it hard to blame Israel for wanting to take some action.
 
2012-11-15 12:40:11 PM
Armageddon tired of this

/we've re-elected the anti-christ, let's get it over with
 
2012-11-15 12:40:19 PM

pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits


He won't talk to me, so no.
 
2012-11-15 12:40:23 PM
Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?
 
2012-11-15 12:40:35 PM
the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?
 
2012-11-15 12:40:38 PM
Meh.
 
2012-11-15 12:40:41 PM

Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.


By get real, you mean go through their usual cycle.

Its not like this isn't fairly routine now. This same sudden escalation occurs either every 1, 2, or 3 years, basically. Things will blow up, people will die, the borders will be restored to their "last known best configuration" and the clock will be reset.

Is it something to be concerned about? Sure. But the bolded stuff above is a bit absurd for something that happens so frequently.

/you do live there, so I definitely get why its more hyped up for you, but as a third party on the far side of the world its not that I don't care, its that I am completely unsurprised.
 
2012-11-15 12:41:03 PM
This is going nuclear.
 
2012-11-15 12:41:10 PM

dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?


Nah, what ever gave you that idea?

www.thegatewaypundit.com
 
2012-11-15 12:41:26 PM
Oh, great. Look who's back. I expect hourly updates and a green (blue?) ribbon to be posted everywhere on the site.
 
2012-11-15 12:41:38 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?


Asteroids?
 
2012-11-15 12:41:40 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: Its not like this isn't fairly routine now. This same sudden escalation occurs either every 1, 2, or 3 years, basically. Things will blow up, people will die, the borders will be restored to their "last known best configuration" and the clock will be reset.


This.

It's happened before. It'll happen again. Nothing of substance will actually change.
 
2012-11-15 12:41:55 PM

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.
 
2012-11-15 12:42:09 PM

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


near simulpost on topic..
 
2012-11-15 12:42:10 PM
Is Omarion okay?
 
2012-11-15 12:42:30 PM

Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.


Good thing it hit the water... those rockets would probably destroy at least a few Yaffa blocks.
 
2012-11-15 12:42:31 PM
You know, the Mayans may not have predicted the end of the world in 2012, but god-damn it are we pushing so farking hard to get there!.

/Can't we wait to wage war on next year?
//Just so we can say "I told you so" to the 2012 doomsayers
 
2012-11-15 12:42:43 PM

Comic Book Guy: We're done here.


I don't think we should close the thread because of one stupid comment.

dj_spanmaster: According to this article, there were 451 rockets fired on Israeli civilian populations through October, and at least that many fired again this week alone.

I find it hard to blame Israel for wanting to take some action.


Yeah, this is why this is happening. Nothing to do with elections, nothing to do with stupid propaganda, everything to do with us going 'Ok, farking enough'.

ichiban: I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


We have a great advance warning system, lots of bomb shelters and anti-rocket countermeasures
 
2012-11-15 12:42:44 PM

BalugaJoe: This is going nuclear.


Yeah, just like all the other biennial conflicts.
 
2012-11-15 12:43:01 PM
This is the second time Israel has launched a Gaza war after an Obama election. I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message.

And they named the operation after a Bible verse, have no exit strategy, and won't say how this will actually solve anything. It's all so very, very George W. Bush/neo-cons circa 2003. But when has thinking with your d!cks ever gotten anyone in trouble?
 
2012-11-15 12:43:01 PM

queezyweezel: the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?


Yeah, but unreported are the number of jeeps that have rolled.
 
2012-11-15 12:43:13 PM
They gonna open up the Ark.
 
2012-11-15 12:43:21 PM

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


The rockets are homemade, short ranged, have no guidance mechanisms, and small warheads.

Put a hand grenade on an over-sized hobby rocket and you have a crude idea of what they are launching. They aren't exactly lobbing scuds over the wall.
 
2012-11-15 12:43:50 PM
Good headline. Democrats are definitely hoping for as much death and destruction as possible to get away from Patraeus and the other assorted liberal scumbags involved in that scandal. Total pieces of sh*t are just begging for this kind of dog-wagging.
 
2012-11-15 12:44:04 PM
Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.
 
2012-11-15 12:44:25 PM
insert hitler joke
 
2012-11-15 12:44:50 PM

shower_in_my_socks: This is the second time Israel has launched a Gaza war after an Obama election. I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message.

And they named the operation after a Bible verse, have no exit strategy, and won't say how this will actually solve anything. It's all so very, very George W. Bush/neo-cons circa 2003. But when has thinking with your d!cks ever gotten anyone in trouble?


Yea you are right is is so Israel's fault that Hamas is launching hundreds of rockets at civilian populated areas.
 
2012-11-15 12:44:52 PM

evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.


Perhaps they should stop building settlements on land that isn't theirs, then?
 
2012-11-15 12:45:19 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: small warhead



That's what your wife told me...
 
2012-11-15 12:45:19 PM
With claims that Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people, defence officials said Israel was prepared to launch a ground invasion into Gaza if necessary.


So far, at least 15 people, including Mr Jaabari, have been killed in more than 50 Israeli airstrikes - codenamed Operation Pillar Of Defence. Two young children were also among the dead.

Izzy has not reached their ordinary quota of 1 Israeli worth 10 'rabs one being a child yet, they will continue airstrikes until at least 1 more child and 14 adults are killed
 
2012-11-15 12:45:27 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Good headline. Democrats are definitely hoping for as much death and destruction as possible to get away from Patraeus and the other assorted liberal scumbags involved in that scandal. Total pieces of sh*t are just begging for this kind of dog-wagging.


The General is a Republican. As are the weirdo twins. I have no idea what his biographer's political affiliation is.
 
2012-11-15 12:45:42 PM

Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.



Yeah, it's outrageous that Palestinians in the Hamas Ghetto would lash out at the party confining them in a large open air prison while preventing them from seeking gainful employment, receiving basic medical care, and obtaining basic necessities & materials.
 
2012-11-15 12:46:03 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: The rockets are homemade, short ranged, have no guidance mechanisms, and small warheads.


Not a whole lot different than the original use of rockets - to terrify the absolute bejeesus of the people you aim them at.
 
2012-11-15 12:46:10 PM
I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

When Israel is lying about the number of rockets fired.
 
2012-11-15 12:46:14 PM

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


Good luck, stay safe, but don't expect change.

/cynical? Absolutely. Its a shiat situation which will never be changed without a miraculous "come to jesus/mohammed/moses" by all parties or a mongoloid extermination of one of the militant parties, and neither is about to happen.
 
2012-11-15 12:46:32 PM
eucalyptus.atlassian.net
 
2012-11-15 12:46:50 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Good headline. Democrats are definitely hoping for as much death and destruction as possible to get away from Patraeus and the other assorted liberal scumbags involved in that scandal. Total pieces of sh*t are just begging for this kind of dog-wagging.


For f*ck's sake if you care so much about the scandal at least spell the man's name right.
 
2012-11-15 12:47:08 PM
Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more
 
2012-11-15 12:47:08 PM

pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits


Fark's very own Israel vs. Hamas proxy fight.
 
2012-11-15 12:48:07 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

When Israel is lying about the number of rockets fired.


Man you are so right it is all about the numbers of rockets fark the fact that they are launching rockets in the first place. I mean if it is only a couple of rockets into a civilian population center its ok.
 
2012-11-15 12:48:48 PM

Glendale: pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits

Fark's very own Israel vs. Hamas proxy fight.


What ever happen to czarangelus?.
 
2012-11-15 12:49:04 PM

evoke: Hamas has committed a double war crime by deliberately launching rockets at civilian targets, while at the same time hiding among civilians. Israel is defending itself and its population.


Of course. But the argument amongst sane people isn't that Israel shouldn't make use of its forces; it's that it should judiciously -- and wherever possible avoid civilian casualty -- use its forces against Hamas.

The whole "but they didn't care about Israeli civilians" argument doesn't really work when you're a first world nation and not a radical terrorist group.
 
2012-11-15 12:49:05 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

When Israel is lying about the number of rockets fired.


Of course. Those aren't rockets, they are arrows of mother farking love. *eye roll*
 
2012-11-15 12:49:16 PM

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


Great...now I have this picture in my head of Israel wearing a giant steel yarmulke.
 
2012-11-15 12:49:22 PM
The latest on Petraeus? Well a rocket exploded in his pocket, and now he is preparing to enter Broadwell.
 
2012-11-15 12:49:27 PM

CygnusDarius: Glendale: pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits

Fark's very own Israel vs. Hamas proxy fight.

What ever happen to czarangelus?.


Got hammered I think.
 
2012-11-15 12:49:44 PM
Tatsuma:
I don't think we should close the thread because of one stupid comment.

It does seem to neatly encapsulate what the motivating factors are, though. Palestine prodded Israel, Israel escalated further with 20(!) airstrikes, Palestine escalated further from the targeted assassination of one of their leaders, and so on.

Yes, a response is warranted when you're being fired upon by Katushyas. Using that response as a cover to escalate further is just that, escalating further. Seeing as this whole conflict is essentially founded on religion anyway, and GAT's comment isn't so stupid after all.
 
2012-11-15 12:49:59 PM

cameroncrazy1984: evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.

Perhaps they should stop building settlements on land that isn't theirs, then?

That's in the west bank, not Gaza. Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives. Launching deadly rockets against civilians isn't.
 
2012-11-15 12:50:06 PM

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


What's cute is that anyone thinks that Israel over reacts. It is a war, there is no over reaction. As long as the Gazan military targets civilians in Israel and hides amongst the Gazan population, there will be civilian casualties.

Why do we pretend that it isnt a war? Why do we pretend that civilians dont get hurt during a war?
If the Gazan warlords dont want civilians to get hurt, they should stay on military bases and not drive in cars with kiddies. LOL

Seriously. Do the Gazans WANT another occupation? While it SUCKS to be the average gazan, it also sucks that your democratically elected government has gone to war with another country.

Stop calling the militants. Pretending that your government is not in control is part of your problem.
Either they are not in control and therefore they are not a government, or they are in control and part of the problem.

If only there were some way for a government to control and stop its "civilians" from firing rockets.
And if you are not going to stop them, WHAT do you expect to happen in return?

WHOOPS, well NOW you are going to find out the hard way. AGAIN.

LOL
 
2012-11-15 12:50:06 PM

cameroncrazy1984: WhoopAssWayne: Good headline. Democrats are definitely hoping for as much death and destruction as possible to get away from Patraeus and the other assorted liberal scumbags involved in that scandal. Total pieces of sh*t are just begging for this kind of dog-wagging.

For f*ck's sake if you care so much about the scandal at least spell the man's name right.


I'm sure I'm missing some of the loonier conservative reactions to Petraeus because I'm not searching alternate spellings.

- AdamSerwer (@AdamSerwer) November 10, 2012
 
2012-11-15 12:50:18 PM
Israel wants to see the rockets (mostly crappy as they may be) to stop, while Hamas wants the settlements to stop.

Rock-Paper-Scissors for it at this point.
 
2012-11-15 12:50:25 PM

evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.


I actually expect Israel will annex both the West Bank and Gaza once this round is done.
 
2012-11-15 12:50:31 PM
FTFA:

"The casualties were the first since Israel's airstrikes on the Gaza Strip on Wednesday which killed Hamas' top military commander Ahmed al Jaabari."

and then...

The White House said the US strongly condemned the rocket fire from Gaza into Israel.

Spokesman Jay Carney said there is "no justification" for the violence perpetrated by Hamas and other terrorist organisations. And he called on those responsible to immediately stop the "cowardly acts".



What the fark am I reading??
 
2012-11-15 12:50:49 PM
I can't believe how many of you actually attempt to argue which side is morally in the "right".
 
2012-11-15 12:51:03 PM

Lehk: Izzy has not reached their ordinary quota of 1 Israeli worth 10 'rabs one being a child yet, they will continue airstrikes until at least 1 more child and 14 adults are killed


Yes how dares Israel build bomb shelters, alarm systems and use rocket intercepting devices in order to decrease their civilians casualties! the next time the alarm sounds they should send the people outside to even the ratio.
 
2012-11-15 12:51:13 PM

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.



....and one re-routed into the water amirite?
 
2012-11-15 12:51:22 PM
i1151.photobucket.com
Oy vey, PaPa! Vhen can ve stop kvetshing about them mishegas gaza strippers and go out for a nosh?

Knock that sh*t off, Hershel!
 
2012-11-15 12:51:43 PM

Comic Book Guy: Palestine prodded Israel


I am sorry, 'prodded'? They fired nearly 500 rockets in a month. 500. Hundreds in the last couple of weeks. And then you think Israel overreacts by striking 20 times at those trying to fire rockets? Are you serious?
 
2012-11-15 12:52:12 PM

CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more


Maybe if they ask the Zetas nicely they'll get some real political support behind the Mexican Government.
 
2012-11-15 12:52:23 PM
Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?
 
2012-11-15 12:52:24 PM
Lets weigh this out. This involves a bunch of furriegners getting killed in a usually violent part of the world versus a juicy sex scandal involving a fairly hot mistress and a high level US govt official.

We got to have priorities when it comes to news and frankly I only have a 15 minute or less attention span.
 
2012-11-15 12:52:27 PM

mootmah: CygnusDarius: Glendale: pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits

Fark's very own Israel vs. Hamas proxy fight.

What ever happen to czarangelus?.

Got hammered I think.


Permabanned years ago.
 
2012-11-15 12:52:41 PM

evoke: Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives


How is bulldozing homes "benevolent"?
 
2012-11-15 12:52:57 PM
This will be another tragic and needless event in a region where this has become the norm and I'd love it if someday leadership on both sides can both take responsibility for the wrongs their side has commited as well as demonstrating a true interest in compromise and a path forward.

I'd love to believe that society everywhere will progress to become more and more secular and once the deep rooted religious spects get dropped people can take a serious look at their history and future without having everything obstructed by these crazy notions of gods and divine rights, but I'm not gonna hold my breath on that.
 
2012-11-15 12:53:06 PM

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Red Laser vs. Blue Laser
 
2012-11-15 12:53:10 PM

CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more


The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.
 
2012-11-15 12:53:49 PM
I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?
 
2012-11-15 12:54:21 PM

hbk72777: I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?


Dunno. Do you know a good book-keeper?
 
2012-11-15 12:54:38 PM

cameroncrazy1984: evoke: Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives

How is bulldozing homes "benevolent"?


a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
Don't tread there.
 
2012-11-15 12:54:57 PM

evoke: Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.



An Occupying Power has very little room to complain when the people living in occupied territories try to fight back.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:08 PM

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Like this?

littlegreenfootballs.com
 
2012-11-15 12:55:17 PM

namatad: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

What's cute is that anyone thinks that Israel over reacts. It is a war, there is no over reaction. As long as the Gazan military targets civilians in Israel and hides amongst the Gazan population, there will be civilian casualties.

Why do we pretend that it isnt a war? Why do we pretend that civilians dont get hurt during a war?
If the Gazan warlords dont want civilians to get hurt, they should stay on military bases and not drive in cars with kiddies. LOL

Seriously. Do the Gazans WANT another occupation? While it SUCKS to be the average gazan, it also sucks that your democratically elected government has gone to war with another country.

Stop calling the militants. Pretending that your government is not in control is part of your problem.
Either they are not in control and therefore they are not a government, or they are in control and part of the problem.

If only there were some way for a government to control and stop its "civilians" from firing rockets.
And if you are not going to stop them, WHAT do you expect to happen in return?

WHOOPS, well NOW you are going to find out the hard way. AGAIN.

LOL


That's exactly what Hamas wants.

You've seen the extent of their long distance strike capability. Its efficacy leaves much to be desired. They want a ground intervention to get the Israelis bogged down in an urban environment which goes far in negating the vast firepower advantage Israel has. You can blame civilian deaths on the Iraeli's entirely (when both sides are at fault). Your light infantry forces equipped with some anti-tank weapons can actually be effective when you force them to fight in cramped alleyways at point blank ranges.

If you wanted a successful Gazan state, for the sake of the Gazans themselves, the money funneled to weapons and armaments would be used for infrastructure.

One thing is certain: the civilians in that area get a really, really, raw deal.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:22 PM
Perhaps with a new government in Egypt and Syrian spill-over, Hamas might think they can get away with stuff? I think they think that, and the people who do think that need to DIAF. And it looks like they might just do that.

Firing rockets into Israel like this is like self-nomination for a Darwin award. It's not agression by Israel, it's a form of suicide.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:28 PM

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:29 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."


So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.
 
2012-11-15 12:55:51 PM

queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?


Jesus went to Utah not Wyoming. Get your facts straight.

/search it up
 
2012-11-15 12:55:53 PM

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


What percentage of the land in Palestine was owned by Palestinians, and what percent was owned by absentee landowners in Turkey?
 
2012-11-15 12:55:54 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

By get real, you mean go through their usual cycle.

Its not like this isn't fairly routine now. This same sudden escalation occurs either every 1, 2, or 3 years, basically. Things will blow up, people will die, the borders will be restored to their "last known best configuration" and the clock will be reset.

Is it something to be concerned about? Sure. But the bolded stuff above is a bit absurd for something that happens so frequently.

/you do live there, so I definitely get why its more hyped up for you, but as a third party on the far side of the world its not that I don't care, its that I am completely unsurprised.


People die during these escalations, you know...
 
2012-11-15 12:55:58 PM
"The escalation of this conflict would be in no one's interest..."

Won't someone think of the international arms dealers! Peace might be fine for some people, but it doesn't buy many gold plated limousines - especially in these tough economic times.
 
2012-11-15 12:56:22 PM

hbk72777: I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?


If we're going by past conflicts, 7:1.
 
2012-11-15 12:56:35 PM
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-15 12:56:38 PM

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better then nothing.
 
2012-11-15 12:56:54 PM

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.
 
2012-11-15 12:57:00 PM

Pair-o-Dice: This will not end.


FTFY
 
2012-11-15 12:57:20 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: What the fark am I reading??


It's not what you are reading, it's what you don't seem to know. Like the palestinian attacks on Israel that lead to the killing of Ahmed al Jaabari.
 
2012-11-15 12:57:26 PM

Treygreen13: hbk72777: I'm putting 20 bucks on the Jews, who's giving odds?

If we're going by past conflicts, 7:1.


Everyone knows that when betting on Jews you assume you'll get 8:1 returns, not 7
 
2012-11-15 12:57:37 PM

sillydragon: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Great...now I have this picture in my head of Israel wearing a giant steel yarmulke.


You're not the only one.
 
2012-11-15 12:57:40 PM

JusticeandIndependence: queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?

Jesus went to Utah not Wyoming. Get your facts straight.

/search it up


The Jews killed Jesus. I figured we wouldn't want them next to each other. Keep Colorado there as a buffer.
 
2012-11-15 12:57:52 PM
But was there any genital contact? Come on media! Ask the hard questions already!
 
2012-11-15 12:57:52 PM

netweavr: Wicked Chinchilla: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

By get real, you mean go through their usual cycle.

Its not like this isn't fairly routine now. This same sudden escalation occurs either every 1, 2, or 3 years, basically. Things will blow up, people will die, the borders will be restored to their "last known best configuration" and the clock will be reset.

Is it something to be concerned about? Sure. But the bolded stuff above is a bit absurd for something that happens so frequently.

/you do live there, so I definitely get why its more hyped up for you, but as a third party on the far side of the world its not that I don't care, its that I am completely unsurprised.

People die during these escalations, you know...


and its a senseless, stupid tragedy that they do. But not surprising
 
2012-11-15 12:58:42 PM

Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.


Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?
 
2012-11-15 12:58:45 PM

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Or perhaps the world has blinders on.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:11 PM
Good night, everyone. I'll see you back here in 3 hours when we've got 800 posts.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:19 PM

BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


They already have Florida, they don't need a second one.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:37 PM

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


I'm not so sure. The "occupation by settlers" worked for Egypt in the Gaza Strip up until 1967. It worked for Jorgan in the West Bank, as well. But then the Jordanian forces bugged out, left their "settlers" behind, and then revoked their Jordanian citizenship.

Of course, Israel was able to re-acquire the territory in just a matter of days, so maybe war does work better.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:17 PM
I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:22 PM

badaboom: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Or perhaps the world has blinders on.


Yes, thats it. Everyone around you is crazy. YOU'RE the sane one.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:27 PM
shower_in_my_socks: " I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message."

Sadly, I'm thinking this has more to do with it than anything. It's not like the rockets are a *new* thing. And it's not like the uptick in launches were unprovoked.
I mean, wtf would anyone *expect* after you live-tweet the assassination of one of their leaders and pre-announce your intentions to invade and directly occupy?
Right or wrong, you've escalated things and can't really use a response as justification for your initial action.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:31 PM

JK47: Yeah, it's outrageous that Palestinians in the Hamas Ghetto would lash out at the party confining them in a large open air prison while preventing them from seeking gainful employment, receiving basic medical care, and obtaining basic necessities & materials.


wait wait wait wait wait wait
I am confused.
Are you saying that Gazans have the right to work in Israel? Because that is the most retarded thing that I have ever heard and I watched the GOP primary.

No one in a foreign country has a right to work in another country. period.

Sucks that these two neighboring countries are at war, but people die in war, people suffer in war.
Strange, hasnt Egypt been much better off since they signed a peace treaty with Israel?

I am not suggesting that Gaza will ever sign a peace treaty with Israel, nor would the Gazan government ever be professional enough to stop its army from attacking Israel.

/Yes - Gaza is a country. Yes - the militants are the Gazan army. Pretending otherwise doesnt change reality. Yes - the sooner that the rest of the world stop pretending, the sooner that we have less lying in the reporting.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:34 PM

BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.


It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:42 PM

BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


Why?
 
2012-11-15 01:00:54 PM
An oppressed people are passed off at the slow genocide committed on them through starvation, illness, poverty, and illegal settlement. I'm sure if the Native Americans had rockets back in the 1800s they would have been lobbing them at the Calvary too.
 
2012-11-15 01:00:57 PM

TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.


Oh god, are they alright? They could've heard a small pop! That's terrifying!
 
2012-11-15 01:00:59 PM

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Just because something is "popular" or supported blindly doesn't make it right.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:03 PM
I'm not saying any escalation will happen. We don't know. Egypt's Prez wants to stroll through Gaza tomorrow...

But note to Gaza habitants.

When the lights go out, you lose your internet ? Then you better get away from those areas where they are launching and storing the rockets and mortars.

Leaflets have been dropped. You've been warned.

Iran's foward operating base just might get a hammerin'

/Just sayin'
 
2012-11-15 01:01:04 PM
Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:07 PM

TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.


A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them
 
2012-11-15 01:01:21 PM

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.


There isn't already tension between the US and Mexico over disputed territory. Nor is the US unlawfully settling in Mexican land.

That has happened before and we now have Texas.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:28 PM

JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?


Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?
 
2012-11-15 01:01:39 PM

Treygreen13: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

Maybe if they ask the Zetas nicely they'll get some real political support behind the Mexican Government.


Yeah, that's a counterpoint from any international position here: "how can we support X if we have Y problem right here?". It makes sense, but in the long run it can be counter-productive.

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


They were speaking of sending aid. But, the problem is, when Mexico sends aid, it does so with the Army, and the Mexican army, and it could give a bad precedent to Israel.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:44 PM

TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.


NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA

BAT YAM
 
2012-11-15 01:01:59 PM

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.


That is a horrible analogy. What if the US were building settlements on Mexican land with US checkpoints dotted over the country. Now Mexico fires rockets into the US. That is a little closer.
 
2012-11-15 01:02:27 PM

coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.


I should say, "It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label FOR ANYONE who critiques Israel's policies." I don't doubt that anti-Semitism fuels many people's critique of Israel, but not everyone's.
 
2012-11-15 01:02:30 PM

badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.


As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?
 
2012-11-15 01:02:39 PM

queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?


Hey now.
 
2012-11-15 01:02:45 PM

coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.


And yet, in my experience, I'm right more often than I'm not. I mean, really, Mexico and Colombia? Hugely Catholic countries that don't like Jews? Who knew?
 
2012-11-15 01:02:52 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?


Asteroids!
 
2012-11-15 01:03:02 PM
if i lived there, i'd buy some of these and drive around :) 

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2012-11-15 01:03:05 PM

BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?


No?
 
2012-11-15 01:03:15 PM

shower_in_my_socks: I hope the women and children in the region who are about to die appreciate that it's all so the warhawks in Israel can send Barack Obama a message.


See, this is the perfect example of someone who feels the need to talk, and yet has no idea, absolutely no idea, of what he's talking about
 
2012-11-15 01:03:45 PM

Tatsuma: TrollingForColumbine: I have family in Bat Yam. About 4 miles from where this rocket hit. I tend to be compassionate about the plight of the Palestinians. But my mood is changing.

A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them


I think this is the one issue we both disagree with. But, I think both we can agree that innocents on both sides have suffered enough, and this needs to resolved like civilized men.
 
2012-11-15 01:03:53 PM

coco ebert: coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.

I should say, "It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label FOR ANYONE who critiques Israel's policies." I don't doubt that anti-Semitism fuels many people's critique of Israel, but not everyone's.


D'oh, missed your adjustment before I replied the first time.
 
2012-11-15 01:03:56 PM

BgJonson79: Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.


You think the US was much better? Christians in general disliked / hated jews all the way up to 1945-48, US or not.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:03 PM

BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?


Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:17 PM
Don't worry, President Peace Prize has got this.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:22 PM

CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more


a large number of South American countries have government officials, especially in their foreign affairs departments with middle east ties
 
2012-11-15 01:04:22 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.



Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:28 PM

cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?


May I ask why not?
 
2012-11-15 01:04:29 PM

Tatsuma: I am sorry, 'prodded'? They fired nearly 500 rockets in a month. 500. Hundreds in the last couple of weeks. And then you think Israel overreacts by striking 20 times at those trying to fire rockets? Are you serious?



Well since both Gaza and the West Bank are Occupied Territories and Israel is the Occupying Power you are ultimately responsible for this mess. Israel has given Palestinians exactly ZERO reasons to feel anything but hatred towards Israel. Economic restrictions, travel restrictions, importation restrictions, fuel shortages, incursions & attacks that leave a bodycount many times higher than anything Palestinians are capable of. Of course Palestinians are going to attack Israel...they have nothing to live for, nothing to do, and the party responsible lies right next door. If Palestinians did nothing Israelis would still enjoy a quality of life that's tremendously better than what Palestinians can achieve. If the Palestinians lash out nothing really changes for them (conditions will continue to suck) but it makes things just a bit more miserable for Israelis.

That's the risk/reward outcome that Israeli policy has encouraged. So yeah, this shiat is all your (collectively) fault.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:30 PM

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Or perhaps the world has blinders on.

Yes, thats it. Everyone around you is crazy. YOU'RE the sane one.


Yeah, I know. At At one point nearly everyone in Alabama didn't want blacks to go to school with whites. The ones who thought otherwise were obviously the crazy ones.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:46 PM

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?


Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:48 PM

coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.


Armenians?
 
2012-11-15 01:04:55 PM

GAT_00: I actually expect Israel will annex both the West Bank and Gaza once this round is done.


shudder
While you might be right, HOW does Israel manage them then?
Military curfew.
House to house searches for weapons and militants.
Rounding up anyone with a gun or looks like a bad guy.

I guess with enough soldiers and enough casualties you could do this in Gaza.
Kind of like steaming the rug in your living room, move EVERYONE to one side of the country, sweep and replace as you go.

I would imagine that there would be a lot of complaining while this was going on. Rock throwing and what not.


Scorched Earth.
 
2012-11-15 01:05:03 PM

coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.


I absolutely agree :-D
 
2012-11-15 01:05:19 PM

Smeggy Smurf: dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?

They're like an ex-wife that just won't quit trying to fark up your life. Eventually you have to bring the hammer down hard to put an end to the nonsense.


How long ago did she leave you?Did you at least get to keep the car?
 
2012-11-15 01:05:40 PM

Red Shirt Blues: cameroncrazy1984: evoke: Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives

How is bulldozing homes "benevolent"?

[a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 281x384]
Don't tread there.


I met her Dad at a protest last year. Him and a large group of people were standing in DC and protesting Caterpillar for selling the bulldozers that the Israelis use. He was a nice guy but the protest made no sense to me.
 
2012-11-15 01:05:40 PM

GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.


I dunno where you learned Theology, but they're the same Guy.
 
2012-11-15 01:05:51 PM

dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?


I'm counting on everyone having a deathwish/belief in an afterlife, actually. Makes it easier to turn the whole benighted strip of stony fields into a Turkish marina.
 
2012-11-15 01:06:06 PM
Subby jokes, but at least the Patraeus story isn't as old as my grandparents.
 
2012-11-15 01:06:20 PM

Brontes: coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.

Armenians?


*quizzical dog look* They have their own state.
 
2012-11-15 01:06:21 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

You think the US was much better? Christians in general disliked / hated jews all the way up to 1945-48, US or not.


Luckily, lots of people have learned of the mistakes of the past. Just not everyone.
 
2012-11-15 01:06:23 PM

davidphogan: Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?

Asteroids?


wow. i was way late on that, but... it's nice to know there's another misanthrope/classic videogame fan out there. Here's to you!

And here's to Asteroids!
 
2012-11-15 01:06:34 PM
F-ing Netanyahu assassinated the head of the Hamas security forces, One of the people actually capable of keeping all the factions inline to kick off this latest round of BS. He did it in the lead up to elections.

This is all BS. The other difference this time around is that Egypt isn't under our complete control, they could easily make this situation much much worse.
 
2012-11-15 01:06:41 PM

topcon: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?

Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.


Doesn't change the fact that Netanyahu is still a hyper conservative douchecanoe.
 
2012-11-15 01:07:10 PM
If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.
 
2012-11-15 01:07:16 PM

jshine: Subby jokes, but at least the Patraeus story isn't as old as my grandparents.


For F*CKS SAKE spell his name right.
 
2012-11-15 01:07:26 PM

CygnusDarius: Yeah, that's a counterpoint from any international position here: "how can we support X if we have Y problem right here?". It makes sense, but in the long run it can be counter-productive.


Well, practically, what could Mexico do? Other than add a vote to an opinion poll, of course. Knowing that a country nearly 8000 miles away agrees with your stance as Israel marches their very prepared and very eager army into Gaza is... well... nothing.
 
2012-11-15 01:07:30 PM
I think we should just stand back and let Israel do what they like.

They are more then capable of handling Hamas on their own.

Hamas will be crying uncle inside of a week and Israel say "and if you do it again, we will hand your ass to you once more" then go back to Israel.
 
2012-11-15 01:07:46 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry
 
2012-11-15 01:07:49 PM

cameroncrazy1984: topcon: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?

Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.

Doesn't change the fact that Netanyahu is still a hyper conservative douchecanoe.


Point being, Israel is a LOT more liberal than any majority Islamic country, period.
 
2012-11-15 01:08:01 PM

cameroncrazy1984: topcon: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?

Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.

Doesn't change the fact that Netanyahu is still a hyper conservative douchecanoe.


We choose the lesser of evils, why can't they?
 
2012-11-15 01:08:05 PM

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


Cuba started building nuclear missiles. How did we react, again?
 
2012-11-15 01:08:10 PM

BgJonson79: GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.

I dunno where you learned Theology, but they're the same Guy.



Jews dig Allah?
 
2012-11-15 01:08:15 PM

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:08:15 PM

Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.


Or, the best IDF can do to get an excuse to expedite their ethnic cleansing and genocide. It never seized to amaze me that all the rockets will 99.99% time fell somewhere where nothing will happen to no one (which is a good thing because they are civilians too). At the end, it always give them excuse to do what they want to do, steal more Palestinian land.
 
2012-11-15 01:08:44 PM

BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?


No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?
 
2012-11-15 01:08:46 PM

cameroncrazy1984: jshine: Subby jokes, but at least the Patraeus story isn't as old as my grandparents.

For F*CKS SAKE spell his name right.


Yes, its wrong, but its subby's spelling. ;-)
 
2012-11-15 01:08:50 PM

Raharu: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better then nothing.


Well, it's really more of an Iron Colander
 
2012-11-15 01:08:54 PM

Raharu: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better then nothing.


Iron dome on shoots at ones that are a direct threat to civilians. It does not target all incoming rockets/mortars/missiles.

Like Phalanx, it can be programmed to shoot only threats.


/this was probably already mentioned
//but you can't have enough military lingo in fark
 
2012-11-15 01:08:58 PM

GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.


nu uh, your God is fat

go be fat somewhere else
 
2012-11-15 01:09:04 PM

BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: topcon: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Progressives. They support gay rights, womens' rights, and secularism.

So naturally they side with the Islamists who share their exact same values.

As opposed to the hyper-conservative Netanyahu? Are you kidding me?

Gay marriage is allowed in Israel (if you were married outside of the country.) Gays can walk around in most metropolitan areas of Israel.

Name the majority Islamic countries where this is allowed.

Hint: There aren't any.

Doesn't change the fact that Netanyahu is still a hyper conservative douchecanoe.

We choose the lesser of evils, why can't they?


Speak for yourself, sir. Obama isn't the lesser of two evils.
 
2012-11-15 01:09:49 PM
Looking at the bigger picture, it is worth bearing in mind that the Hamas leadership are not just focused on Israel. Hamas have provided services to the Palestinians, which, whether those services are that good or not, combine with the rhetoric and fear to create plenty of immediate support. The Hamas leadership is also really fully behind the idea of destroying the wider-than-Israel west - particularly America (not because of American support of Israel, but because of American leadership of the free world - to which it is ideologically opposed)
 
2012-11-15 01:09:50 PM

BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?


Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.
 
2012-11-15 01:09:54 PM

GungFu: BgJonson79: GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.

I dunno where you learned Theology, but they're the same Guy.


Jews dig Allah?


Of course. Allah = God = Yahweh. Christianity is the second version of Judaism, Islam is the third.

I find theological history fascinating.
 
2012-11-15 01:10:03 PM
The Gaza strip should be evacuated of all people. They can be relocated to Beth Shean or some other part of Israel that is less strategically important. Hopefully wherever they go gets taken over by an Arab government. Maybe Jordan?
 
2012-11-15 01:10:10 PM

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


The entire country would be crying for the use of nuclear weapons against Cuba.

/'nuke em till they glow' would be the chant from American citizens.
//or 'remember 9/11. never again. Nuke em till they glow.'
 
2012-11-15 01:10:40 PM

kindms: F-ing Netanyahu assassinated the head of the Hamas security forces, One of the people actually capable of keeping all the factions inline to kick off this latest round of BS. He did it in the lead up to elections.

This is all BS. The other difference this time around is that Egypt isn't under our complete control, they could easily make this situation much much worse.


By getting their asses kicked by Israel again? In any case the U.S. should do exactly jack shiat. This is not, and has never been, our problem.
 
2012-11-15 01:10:41 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

The rockets are homemade, short ranged, have no guidance mechanisms, and small warheads.

Put a hand grenade on an over-sized hobby rocket and you have a crude idea of what they are launching. They aren't exactly lobbing scuds over the wall.


Actually, they are firing increasingly sophisticated missiles - supplied by Iran. But even the crude Kassams are intolerable - because the weapons are unsophisticated, Israel has no right to respond? If someone attacks you with a rock, do you not defend yourself because the weapon is primitive?

How many of the people posting in this forum have ever been out running and had to seek shelter when an air raid siren went off? It's not fun.
 
2012-11-15 01:10:49 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: But what's the latest with Patraeus?

He evidently changed the spelling of his name, for one....


I did a Google search and found 3.3 million hits for Patraeus, so I vote we let Subby off the hook on misspelling it.

Not Subby.

Although I am a bit peeved that three point three million hits with the wrong spelling makes it really hard for me to make a joke about Patraeus being dead since 200 B.C or whatever.

At the moment many of the conspiry theorists are trying to work up conspiracies based on the Latin-sounding name of Petraeus, some connecting it to Saint Malachy's prophecies of the Last Pope (No. 112 in his list of "future" popes), who would be Petrus Romanus (Pope Peter the Roman).

Since Benedict XVI is Pope 111 in this list, we've got one more to go, and probably sooner rather than later, seeing as Benedictus is 86 years old and looking kinda ghoulish.

Not that I believe in the prophecies of Saint Malachy, who I often call Saint Malarky before I can think of his name. He's Irish, too, so Saint Malarky is appropriate I think. There needs to be at least one Saint Malarky in the Church Calendar somewhere, even if he is only unofficial.

I nominate Saint Malarky as the Patron Saint of Liars, Fools, Morans, people who talk twaddle, Farkers, Talking Point propagandists, and Lawyers. The truthiness shall set you free to believe any old crap you want.

I nominate Saint Emygdius of Sienna as the Patron Saint of homosexuals. Look him up and you'll figure out why for yourself.
 
2012-11-15 01:10:57 PM

mayIFark: never seized to amaze me


*facepalm*
 
2012-11-15 01:11:02 PM

coco ebert: Brontes: coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.

Armenians?

*quizzical dog look* They have their own state.


Sorry, was giving an example of Armenians having their own state and being an ethnic group.
 
2012-11-15 01:11:10 PM

coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.


I'm starting to think that the only reason we give them $16 billion for their "defense" budget every year is because we don't want anyone to call us Nazis. WWII was a tragedy and all, but I think we've done our share of the fighting now.
 
2012-11-15 01:11:30 PM

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


Are we currently taking cubans land despite saying we wouldn't, and refusing to allow other cubans to returns to their homes that we previously took?
 
2012-11-15 01:11:40 PM

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


This would be the wholesale acquistion of land that Israel evacuated in 2005?
 
2012-11-15 01:11:55 PM
I don't get how almost ALL Jews in congress are Democrats, but any strike against Hamas (or any other radical group who terrorize Israel) are likened to being Dubya-esque war mongers.

It's astonishing that you kids don't know who run your own party, and who also fully support these actions (if only behind closed doors).
 
2012-11-15 01:12:01 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?


Of course the one whose name you write on the "TO: " field of your check.
 
2012-11-15 01:12:19 PM

coco ebert: Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.


Quebecois don't even like Quebecois.
 
2012-11-15 01:12:20 PM

BgJonson79: GungFu: BgJonson79: GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.

I dunno where you learned Theology, but they're the same Guy.


Jews dig Allah?

Of course. Allah = God = Yahweh. Christianity is the second version of Judaism, Islam is the third.

I find theological history fascinating.



Man, so why are these cawksuckers fighting? This is some serious dumb shiat, man. Brother against Brother. Y'all need to cut this shiat out, Motherfarkers.
Oh, and stop cutting up y'all baby penises.
 
2012-11-15 01:12:24 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?


Who did they take the land from? Hint: Palestinians lived there, but owned very little. Why do you think so few have deeds?

As for living groups, there's a lot of planet, and usually homogeneity tends to results in less problems. The alternative is de facto genocide.
 
2012-11-15 01:13:17 PM

namatad: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

What's cute is that anyone thinks that Israel over reacts. It is a war, there is no over reaction. As long as the Gazan military targets civilians in Israel and hides amongst the Gazan population, there will be civilian casualties.

Why do we pretend that it isnt a war? Why do we pretend that civilians dont get hurt during a war?
If the Gazan warlords dont want civilians to get hurt, they should stay on military bases and not drive in cars with kiddies. LOL

Seriously. Do the Gazans WANT another occupation? While it SUCKS to be the average gazan, it also sucks that your democratically elected government has gone to war with another country.

Stop calling the militants. Pretending that your government is not in control is part of your problem.
Either they are not in control and therefore they are not a government, or they are in control and part of the problem.

If only there were some way for a government to control and stop its "civilians" from firing rockets.
And if you are not going to stop them, WHAT do you expect to happen in return?

WHOOPS, well NOW you are going to find out the hard way. AGAIN.

LOL


proportionate response! get with the program!

if a Palestinian kills a Jew, then you get to write a sternly worded letter to the UN.

you don't get to fight back. you're a bunch of usurious Israelis!

/I always love the proportionate response thing. I get a big smile out of it.
 
2012-11-15 01:13:24 PM
How much is this going to cost me?
 
2012-11-15 01:13:30 PM

JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?

Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.


So we should have one big uniform culture?
 
2012-11-15 01:13:36 PM
I tried to find Tatsumas "Hurrah civilians died lets jump on a grassy hill" pic but could only find this

www.fbastard.com
 
2012-11-15 01:13:43 PM

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:13:57 PM
Not a repeat from 1948, 1967, 1973, 2002, etc.?


/Probably would have the same outcomes
 
2012-11-15 01:13:57 PM

dr_blasto: queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good?

Hey now.


Alright. I-25 from Casper to Colorado and East to Nebraska. Fair?

/Used to live in Cheyenne
 
2012-11-15 01:14:13 PM

doubled99: I can't believe how many of you actually attempt to argue which side is morally in the "right".


This is the same moron argument about ALL WARS. "OURS" is always the moral side. LOL
It is a war. People on both sides will die. Counting bodies is NOT how you decide who wins or who over reacted. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Today's wars are no longer fought on battlefields, they are fought in cities where there is LOTS of physical and human cover. LOL

Sorry, but it is a bit funny when your own soldiers use your house and your child as cover. The army certainly doesnt care if the civilians get hurt.

So what is the solution?
Pretend that this isnt the Israelis and the Gazans for a second.
It is the Star Bellied Sneeches versus the Bare-Bellies Sneeches.
How do you stop a war?
How do you stop an asymmetric war?
How do you root out an army which has dug-in inside of a city?

Funny, I used to remember hearing about suicide bombs/bombers in Israel. What happened to that?
Oh right, Israel built a wall between the three countries and patrol and defend that border now.
SHOCKING the suicide attacks went to virtually zero after doing that. Why is that??

Oh look, rocket attacks picked up after the suicide bombers were stopped.
You know, this is my NK and SK have such a large DMZ.
Much harder for the countries to interact.
 
2012-11-15 01:14:18 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7435967/80714200#c80714200" target="_blank">Uncle Tractor</a>:</b> <i>BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?</i>

The goal should not be ethnic groups getting more segregated.
 
2012-11-15 01:14:23 PM
The fecal matter has interacted with the ventilation impeller.
 
2012-11-15 01:14:37 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.

Cuba started building nuclear missiles. How did we react, again?


um... Cuba did not build nuclear missiles during the Cuban missile crisis. Russia was importing them on boats that were blocked by a US navel blockade. Russia was also funding the construction of the launch sites in Cuba.

We were hours away from going full on MAD over it.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:19 PM

Brontes: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.

That is a horrible analogy. What if the US were building settlements on Mexican land with US checkpoints dotted over the country. Now Mexico fires rockets into the US. That is a little closer.


I see where you're coming from, but I was heading in a different direction. I meant it as a question of metered retaliation and justified force. Whether you're at my house or your house shouldn't change my reaction to you punching me in the face 169 times. The US wouldn't take it, and I don't think it's fair that people balk at Israel for not standing down and taking it. That's all I meant.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:22 PM

Gwendolyn: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7435967/80714200#c80714200" target="_blank">Uncle Tractor</a>:</b> <i>BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Not if they have to take it from someone else.

(and no, an old fairy tale is not proof of ownership, nor the fact that some of your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago)

BgJonson79: Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No, and more importantly; how on earth do you intend to divvy up the planet so that every single ethnicity gets it's own little patch?</i>

The goal should not be ethnic groups getting more segregated.


Then the result is one big culture, and a loss of all others.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:23 PM

sethen320: Smeggy Smurf: dj_bigbird: Does Hamas have a deathwish?

They're like an ex-wife that just won't quit trying to fark up your life. Eventually you have to bring the hammer down hard to put an end to the nonsense.

How long ago did she leave you?Did you at least get to keep the car?


5 years and she stole my truck. Since then it's been a regular series of court battles over violating custody and theft
 
2012-11-15 01:15:27 PM

mayIFark: Why Would I Read the Article: Since Israel and Palestine are both run by terrorists, who are we rooting for here?

Of course the one whose name you write on the "TO: " field of your check.


We should just sell nukes to both of them -- the really big multi-megaton cold-war era ones. ...and along with the nukes can come a free, complimentary truck-load of PCP.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:33 PM

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Aim for areas near buildings, but usually uninhabited at that time of day. Both Israel and Hamas look like they're trying to minimize casualties.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:59 PM

BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?

Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.

So we should have one big uniform culture?


Uniform?

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:16:18 PM

Brontes: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.

That is a horrible analogy. What if the US were building settlements on Mexican American land with US checkpoints dotted over the country along the border. Now Mexico fires rockets into the US. That is a little closer.


Even closer.
 
2012-11-15 01:16:37 PM

kindms: This is all BS. The other difference this time around is that Egypt isn't under our complete control, they could easily make this situation much much worse.



Hahahaa...giggle Egypt can't and won't do shiat.
Hezbollah ? ..... won't do shiat.
 
2012-11-15 01:16:37 PM

JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?

Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.

So we should have one big uniform culture?

Uniform?

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 194x259]


+1 Internets to you!
 
2012-11-15 01:16:46 PM

JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry



I bet all your friends think your hilarious.
 
2012-11-15 01:16:57 PM

Gwendolyn: An oppressed people are passed off at the slow genocide committed on them through starvation, illness, poverty, and illegal settlement. I'm sure if the Native Americans had rockets back in the 1800s they would have been lobbing them at the Calvary too.


So you admit that ALL countries today exist on the dead (or assimilated) backs of the previous owners of the land?

Yah, kind of sucks, but that is humanity.

The only proper solution to the mideast problem is to send ALL of them back to africa and give the land back to the goats. (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)
 
2012-11-15 01:16:59 PM
so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?
 
2012-11-15 01:17:11 PM

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Sorry, the guy who aims was in the john.
 
2012-11-15 01:17:18 PM
Here's a recap of the situation, acted out by cute animals:-
Link
/Israel is the cat
 
2012-11-15 01:17:30 PM
Hamas et al (although today's missiles were courtesy of the Islamic Jihad, which has never been a signatory to any agreement with Israel) have been firing on Israel's South since Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The international community only feels sorry for civilians when they're Palestinian. The Israeli killed and wounded, homes destroyed, daily routine disrupted, goes largely unreported in the international press because the story isn't "sexy."

Sorry if we have better defenses - but that doesn't justify the Palestinian terrorists' actions.
 
2012-11-15 01:18:00 PM

mod3072: ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?

Sorry, the guy who aims was in the john.


At least the floor will be clean
 
2012-11-15 01:18:08 PM

Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.


Don't pretend you don't have a boner. No doubt you'll donate a few bucks to humanitarian aid so you can buy a little moral credibility.
 
2012-11-15 01:18:28 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.


No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.
 
2012-11-15 01:18:45 PM

GAT_00



topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back.

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


Do you just make crap up, post it and then behold your work as if you are some type of analyst.

Can't remember who said it about you but it was to the effect "GAT I see you post alot on this site and have noticed most of the time you don't know what you are talking about"

Now thats an analyst.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:02 PM

mayIFark: Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.

Or, the best IDF can do to get an excuse to expedite their ethnic cleansing and genocide. It never seized to amaze me that all the rockets will 99.99% time fell somewhere where nothing will happen to no one (which is a good thing because they are civilians too). At the end, it always give them excuse to do what they want to do, steal more Palestinian land.


if Israel is trying to ethnically cleans the Palestinians they frankly suck at it. I mean the Jordanians have killed more back during Black September than Israel during both Intifidas [1][2]. Also Syria has killed 100s of Palestinians during the current uprising and has been actively targeting them, where is the outrage? Or is the outrage only when it involves Israel? everyone else has carte blanche to kill as many Palestinians as they want and deny them rights.

Either be consistent in what constitutes "genocide" (which has you know a legal definition as does ethnic cleansing) and what fair treatment of either the Palestinians or more broadly stateless ethnic groups is or admit you only care because the Jews are involved.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:15 PM

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


To be honest, if cuba was aiming at some of the more GOP crazy parts of floriduh, I would be ok with that. You know, anywhere rick scott is.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:51 PM

queezyweezel: the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?



They actually killed people this time?  Well, you mess with the bull, you get the horns.  You play with fire, you gonna get burned.  You push a man living in a van down by the river, you end up dismembered and cooked over a coffee can fire.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:53 PM

Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?


Israel wins with far fewer civilian casualties then any war America has engaged in in the past decade.

/They're pretty farking good at waging war inside cities.
//It's kind of exactly what they've been training for their entire existence.
 
2012-11-15 01:20:23 PM

GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.


That's a rather pristine cloth cover for a baby supposedly killed in a rocket attack. Did a congenital heart condition trigger when the kid was scared to death by the noise of an explosion? Or is the guy just an actor grieving over a sack of potatoes?

And yes, I am accusing the Gazan arm of the BBC staging a photo. It wouldn't be the first time.
 
2012-11-15 01:20:24 PM

queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good

and let them solve their own problems, on their own dime ?

FTFY
 
2012-11-15 01:20:27 PM

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?


Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?
 
2012-11-15 01:21:27 PM

zedster: mayIFark: Tatsuma: So far, what I can gather is that two rockets fell just south of Tel Aviv, and one fell in the water next to Yaffa.

This is the stupidest thing Hamas could have done.

Or, the best IDF can do to get an excuse to expedite their ethnic cleansing and genocide. It never seized to amaze me that all the rockets will 99.99% time fell somewhere where nothing will happen to no one (which is a good thing because they are civilians too). At the end, it always give them excuse to do what they want to do, steal more Palestinian land.

if Israel is trying to ethnically cleans the Palestinians they frankly suck at it. I mean the Jordanians have killed more back during Black September than Israel during both Intifidas [1][2]. Also Syria has killed 100s of Palestinians during the current uprising and has been actively targeting them, where is the outrage? Or is the outrage only when it involves Israel? everyone else has carte blanche to kill as many Palestinians as they want and deny them rights.

Either be consistent in what constitutes "genocide" (which has you know a legal definition as does ethnic cleansing) and what fair treatment of either the Palestinians or more broadly stateless ethnic groups is or admit you only care because the Jews are involved.



Ethnic cleansing isn't just outright murder. Your tu quoque fallacy aside, Israel is a state that practices apartheid
 
2012-11-15 01:21:27 PM

Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?


Your taxes go up to pay for their bullets.
 
2012-11-15 01:21:29 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.

No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.


George Carlin doesn't make fun of people grieving over their dead children. All you are is despicable.
 
2012-11-15 01:21:49 PM

DrPainMD: queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good and let them solve their own problems, on their own dime ?

FTFY


Works for me.

I can't wait to go to Israel myself.
 
2012-11-15 01:22:11 PM
Is israel going to do anything other some minor millitary action and return fire? No? Then everything is routine, nothing changed and be prepared for this story to come around again in a year or two. This isnt even news any more, this is like declaring that the seasons have changed, yea no shiat thanks for the update. Is the sky still blue? Simply put, we dont care. Oh look they are killing each other, still.....call us when they start a mass extermination of civillians.

Oh WAIT a 100 people might get killed?!??! yea add 3 zeros and maybe its worth a fark headline. farking drama queen nations of the planet need to step up their game if they want to make the news.

/oh look tat has his own thread again....shocker
 
2012-11-15 01:23:07 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?


What percentage of Israelis are secular vs the percentage of secular Gazans?
 
2012-11-15 01:23:17 PM

BgJonson79: Who did they take the land from? Hint: Palestinians lived there, but owned very little. Why do you think so few have deeds?


Let me rephrase the question:

upload.wikimedia.org

How does one create a jewish homeland in an area where more than 90% of the population is arab? Before you start, I don't give a crap about deeds and ownership. It's just not relevant.

As for living groups, there's a lot of planet, and usually homogeneity tends to results in less problems. The alternative is de facto genocide.

There's a lot of planet, sure, and it's all taken.
 
2012-11-15 01:23:26 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?



Or that if the United States had been occupying Mexico for the last 50 years.
 
2012-11-15 01:23:29 PM

Buffalo77: GAT_00


topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back.

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Do you just make crap up, post it and then behold your work as if you are some type of analyst.

Can't remember who said it about you but it was to the effect "GAT I see you post alot on this site and have noticed most of the time you don't know what you are talking about"

Now thats an analyst.


Which of his points are not true? The settlements? War as a means of Israeli land grabs? Because both of those things are absolute fact, no matter your interpretation of who's right or wrong (for which the correct answer is: both).
 
2012-11-15 01:23:34 PM

namatad: Gwendolyn: An oppressed people are passed off at the slow genocide committed on them through starvation, illness, poverty, and illegal settlement. I'm sure if the Native Americans had rockets back in the 1800s they would have been lobbing them at the Calvary too.

So you admit that ALL countries today exist on the dead (or assimilated) backs of the previous owners of the land?

Yah, kind of sucks, but that is humanity.

The only proper solution to the mideast problem is to send ALL of them back to africa and give the land back to the goats. (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)


Of course all civilizations are built through war and conquering some are more bloody than others. Own the fark up to doing it instead of blaming the victims.

Also I hate America helps pay for it. Warmonger on your own dime. We do.
 
2012-11-15 01:23:57 PM

queezyweezel: JusticeandIndependence: Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.

No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.

George Carlin doesn't make fun of people grieving over their dead children. All you are is despicable.


1. I wasn't making fun of him at all.
2. This is Fark, grow the fark up. People joke all the time around here.
 
2012-11-15 01:24:08 PM

fluffy2097: I think we should just stand back and let Israel do what they like.

They are more then capable of handling Hamas on their own.

Hamas will be crying uncle inside of a week and Israel say "and if you do it again, we will hand your ass to you once more" then go back to Israel.



People get mad if we give them money.  People get mad if we don't pull their leash.  People get mad.
 
I'm a big believer in "If you can't figure it out in 60 years, then screw you." 
 
This also applies to Afghanistan...why are we there again?  We got OBL.  We went in to do that.  We aren't building nations.
 
2012-11-15 01:24:32 PM
No one "deserves" the land until one side has utterly annhilated the other.
 
2012-11-15 01:24:52 PM

DrPainMD: queezyweezel: Why don't we pack up Israel, move it to Wyoming, and get the f*ck out of the middle east for good and let them solve their own problems, on their own dime ?

FTFY


I'm okay with that personally, but there are so many pro-Israeli people in the US, I figured there's no way we can cut ties.
 
2012-11-15 01:25:06 PM

queezyweezel: the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?


{/thread}
 
2012-11-15 01:25:33 PM

Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?


35 foot twinkies weighing 600 lbs for everybody
 
2012-11-15 01:25:35 PM

chiefsfaninkc: Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.


It looks like the entire Mideast has erupted into a shiatstorm since Obama took office.

But hey, we got universal healthcare.
 
2012-11-15 01:25:36 PM

Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?


I'll live tweet it for you.

/Waiting for the call up phone call.
//Should do some laundry, to make sure I have enough underwear.
 
2012-11-15 01:25:36 PM

GentDirkly: The Gaza strip should be evacuated of all people. They can be relocated to Beth Shean or some other part of Israel that is less strategically important. Hopefully wherever they go gets taken over by an Arab government. Maybe Jordan?


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You are actually on to something here.
Or do a land purchase from Jordan, buy twice the land as gaza currently is.
build a giant wall on the israel and jordan side of it.
move EVERYONE and everything.
probably would have to build a TON of cement housing before you moved all the people

there are ample examples in history of forced relocation of people.
Hell, Jordan might be work with this if they could also solve their palestinian refugee problem at the same time!!!

fark
I like this solution.
Time to work on the details!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Hell, get Egypt and the US to sign up on the deal and it would happen.
Egypt would be SO FARKING HAPPY to have an Israeli border instead of a Gazan Border!
 
2012-11-15 01:25:48 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Who did they take the land from? Hint: Palestinians lived there, but owned very little. Why do you think so few have deeds?

Let me rephrase the question:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x213]

How does one create a jewish homeland in an area where more than 90% of the population is arab? Before you start, I don't give a crap about deeds and ownership. It's just not relevant.

As for living groups, there's a lot of planet, and usually homogeneity tends to results in less problems. The alternative is de facto genocide.

There's a lot of planet, sure, and it's all taken.


It's absolutely relevant. If (generic) your landlord sells his building that (generic) you live in to someone else and they turn it into a Walmart, that's how it goes. You can't do what you want with someone else's land. The Turks sold it all off when they lost WWI.
 
2012-11-15 01:25:54 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?



Can you imagine if Indiana closed its border with Ohio over the 2012 presidential election and started lobbing rotten tomatoes at Dayton?
 
2012-11-15 01:26:05 PM
It never ceases to amuse me to see the side reknowned for dropping white phosphorus muntions on schools and refugee camps complaining about the deliberate targetting of civilians.

Oh, no, sorry. I meant disgusts. My bad.


/both sides really are as bad as each other, so vote Bacon.
 
2012-11-15 01:26:05 PM

ichiban: Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people,

I certainly don't want these people to kill each other and wow, that's all sorts of scary, but...how do you fire 150 rockets and "only" kill three people?


Muslim engineers.
 
2012-11-15 01:26:05 PM

DarnoKonrad: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?


Or that if the United States had been occupying Mexico for the last 50 years.


It would sort of be a bit more like a bunch of angry American Irish Catholics returning to Northern Ireland a few thousand years from now and declaring it their own with international support.
 
2012-11-15 01:26:08 PM

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.


People wouldn't have so much of a problem if Israel annexed Gaza (well some would, surely). The problem is Israel wants the land but doesn't want the people that live on it to have any sort of rights or anything. Israel needs to come to terms with the fact that is is either going to have give back land, grant full citizenship to all residents of Israeli controlled land, or be an apartheid state. Of course there are details that are the hangup, but those are seriously the only options politically in the long run.

I'm all for Israel's right to defend itself and I agree that this is definitely a justified response SO FAR. I have my doubts if it will stay that way and have a sneaking suspicion white phosphorous rounds will end up in urban areas very soon. Israel has a habit of taking "defense" to mean "massively escalate".
 
2012-11-15 01:26:13 PM

Hahnenkam: If Cuba started lobbing rockets at Miami, I wonder how many of those currently oppose to Israel's recent actions would protest if we took similar actions to defend ourselves.


As long as they don't attack American soil
 
2012-11-15 01:26:18 PM

namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)


Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.
 
2012-11-15 01:26:33 PM

BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: cameroncrazy1984: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

No?

May I ask why not?

Because we are all just humans living on a rock. No one side should be more special than the other. Legends from thousands of years ago shouldn't be the basis for dividing lines on a map.

So we should have one big uniform culture?

Uniform?

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 194x259]

+1 Internets to you!


I say +2 internets to you.

/lap seat
 
2012-11-15 01:27:01 PM

namatad: GentDirkly: The Gaza strip should be evacuated of all people. They can be relocated to Beth Shean or some other part of Israel that is less strategically important. Hopefully wherever they go gets taken over by an Arab government. Maybe Jordan?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You are actually on to something here.
Or do a land purchase from Jordan, buy twice the land as gaza currently is.
build a giant wall on the israel and jordan side of it.
move EVERYONE and everything.
probably would have to build a TON of cement housing before you moved all the people


You know this would never work. The Palestinians are clearly anti-cementic.
 
2012-11-15 01:27:07 PM

namatad: wait wait wait wait wait wait
I am confused.
Are you saying that Gazans have the right to work in Israel? Because that is the most retarded thing that I have ever heard and I watched the GOP primary.

No one in a foreign country has a right to work in another country. period.



wait wait wait wait wait wait. I am confused. Are you saying that Gaza is (at least a portion of) a free and independent state? Because that's the most retarded (and patently false) thing that I have ever heard and I watched the GOP primary.

I'm not even going to address the rest of your post since it's predicated on the false premise that Gaza is another country and not an occupied territory.
 
2012-11-15 01:27:13 PM

I_C_Weener: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?


Can you imagine if Indiana closed its border with Ohio over the 2012 presidential election and started lobbing rotten tomatoes at Dayton?


Not much. Even Ohioans know they suck. Well, they should anyway.
 
2012-11-15 01:28:11 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.


*You're
/derp
 
2012-11-15 01:28:40 PM

SithLord: chiefsfaninkc: Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.

It looks like the entire Mideast has erupted into a shiatstorm since Obama took office.

But hey, we got universal healthcare.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:28:42 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?

35 foot twinkies weighing 600 lbs for everybody


"Is this true?"

"Yes, this man:

snooper.files.wordpress.com

is a dick".
 
2012-11-15 01:29:35 PM

queezyweezel: the fired 150 rockets and only 3 people died? Is Hamas the A-Team of the Middle East?


Just proof that Allah is an inferior god.

Only the Jehovah's Witnesses have a lower success rate when comparing door knocks/conversions to rocket launches/kills.
 
2012-11-15 01:29:37 PM

Gwendolyn: Of course all civilizations are built through war and conquering some are more bloody than others. Own the fark up to doing it instead of blaming the victims.

Also I hate America helps pay for it. Warmonger on your own dime. We do.


Sure, but, since when does any country ever admit to their warmongering?
China and Taiwan is a good example. The only reason that China hasnt just rolled in their is the water separating them and the us navy.

FFS, we know what happens when the US becomes isolationists. but do we have to be the worlds police?
And yes, I know we do a shiatty job of it, but FFS, no one else is doing anything at all.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Maybe that is the solution?
Wait ... WW3 would be the logical next step. NVM
 
2012-11-15 01:30:12 PM

BgJonson79: Then the result is one big culture, and a loss of all others.


How would you like to maintain all these cultures? Enforced separation? That's what it would take.

The thing is, that one big culture would contain all the cultural variety of the cultures that blended into it, but none of the strife. Nothing would be lost and new things would appear.
 
2012-11-15 01:30:14 PM

Raharu: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better than nothing.


More like 90%...
Link
 
2012-11-15 01:30:20 PM

Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.


So who get's Canada then?
 
2012-11-15 01:30:23 PM

BgJonson79: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?

What percentage of Israelis are secular vs the percentage of secular Gazans?


What relevance would this have? One side isn't occupying the other here.
 
2012-11-15 01:30:36 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?



I love it how your analogy completely ignores the fact that a lot of Palestinians are religious yahoos who think that blowing yourself up in a crowded market is a one way ticket to heaven.
 
2012-11-15 01:30:39 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?

35 foot twinkies weighing 600 lbs for everybody



That's a big Kosher twinkie. 
 
2012-11-15 01:31:19 PM
I love how nobody gives the faintest shadow of a shiat about Arabs (including the Palestinians in Syrian camps getting used as human shields) until Israel raises a hand to defend itself and all of a sudden they're the bad guys and everyone gets excited.

What do you think the USA would do if Mexico shelled San Diego for a weekend? Glass parking lot doesn't begin to cover it. I hope Israel's leadership has the stones to get this done.
 
2012-11-15 01:31:31 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?


Mexico already fires rockets into Texas. They're full of meth or heroin and have a small cavity in the nose for a parachute.
 
2012-11-15 01:31:39 PM

Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.


As we all know, the planet didn't exist prior to 1350 BC. Or, more realistically, such arguments suck.
 
2012-11-15 01:31:39 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Then the result is one big culture, and a loss of all others.

How would you like to maintain all these cultures? Enforced separation? That's what it would take.

The thing is, that one big culture would contain all the cultural variety of the cultures that blended into it, but none of the strife. Nothing would be lost and new things would appear.


You have more faith in humanity than I do, it would seem :-D
 
2012-11-15 01:32:06 PM
One time my learned father said about the USSR becoming just Russia, "That area has always been ruled by dictators nothing will change."  That seems to apply to the middle east.  That area has always been run by tribal hate, always will be.
 
I think they call it Balkanization.
 
2012-11-15 01:32:08 PM

Gwendolyn: An oppressed people are passed off at the slow genocide committed on them through starvation, illness, poverty, and illegal settlement. I'm sure if the Native Americans had rockets back in the 1800s they would have been lobbing them at the Calvary too.


1. There is no Israeli occupation of Gaza.

2. There is a border between Gaza and Egypt. The Egyptians control it. Why aren't rockets from Gaza being fired into Egypt?
 
2012-11-15 01:32:16 PM
Alright, this is ridiculous. Who would want to live in a country that has been at war since its inception. Clearly the Israel experiment is not working. No one wants them there.

This is what I propose. Israel saves up all its money, all of its international aid, and finds a new place on Earth to call home. It can sell its current land to an Arab country, then use those proceeds to buy its new plot of land. They don't need a ton of space, Israel is about the size of New Jersey. Maybe Greece or Spain will want to sell them 10,000 square miles. The Israeli people will finally have peace. The United States can spend a little more upfront but then we don't have to finance a huge defense program for Israel for the rest of...forever. The Israelis are an enterprising people, a major influx of productive workers would be great for Greece or Spain's economy.

Or hell, let's sell them part of Arizona, the climate is about the same and they're our best friends already anyway.

I mean, if all of your neighbors hated you and did horrible things like murder members of your family, you'd move, right? Israel is rich and now is probably a great time to buy.

I mean, if all of your neighbors hated you and did horrible things like murder members of your family, you'd move, right?
 
2012-11-15 01:32:23 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: BgJonson79: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?

What percentage of Israelis are secular vs the percentage of secular Gazans?

What relevance would this have? One side isn't occupying the other here.


I'm going after the 'religious whackjobs' clause.
 
2012-11-15 01:32:47 PM

BgJonson79: It's absolutely relevant. If (generic) your landlord sells his building that (generic) you live in to someone else and they turn it into a Walmart, that's how it goes. You can't do what you want with someone else's land. The Turks sold it all off when they lost WWI.


Yeah, and when the landlords sell all the land to people of one specific ethnicity and evict everybody of another ethnicity, you've got yourself a massive ethnic cleansing. See?

Now, how does one create a jewish homeland in an area where 90% of the population is arab?
 
2012-11-15 01:32:49 PM

JusticeandIndependence: queezyweezel: JusticeandIndependence: Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.

No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.

George Carlin doesn't make fun of people grieving over their dead children. All you are is despicable.

1. I wasn't making fun of him at all.
2. This is Fark, grow the fark up. People joke all the time around here.


The guy making light of a man crying while holding his dead child is telling me to grow up, and justifying it because other people do it too...wow.
 
2012-11-15 01:33:48 PM

fatcurlytoes: I love how nobody gives the faintest shadow of a shiat about Arabs (including the Palestinians in Syrian camps getting used as human shields) until Israel raises a hand to defend itself and all of a sudden they're the bad guys and everyone gets excited.

What do you think the USA would do if Mexico shelled San Diego for a weekend? Glass parking lot doesn't begin to cover it. I hope Israel's leadership has the stones to get this done.


Do you routinely walk into rooms and start talking without listening to what anyone has said?

Cause you just did that.

15 people beat you to that analogy.
 
2012-11-15 01:33:52 PM

SithLord: chiefsfaninkc: Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.

It looks like the entire Mideast has erupted into a shiatstorm since Obama took office.

But hey, we got universal healthcare.


t3.gstatic.com

Sooooooo.... By your logic, 9/11 was due to what?
 
2012-11-15 01:33:58 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: It's absolutely relevant. If (generic) your landlord sells his building that (generic) you live in to someone else and they turn it into a Walmart, that's how it goes. You can't do what you want with someone else's land. The Turks sold it all off when they lost WWI.

Yeah, and when the landlords sell all the land to people of one specific ethnicity and evict everybody of another ethnicity, you've got yourself a massive ethnic cleansing. See?

Now, how does one create a jewish homeland in an area where 90% of the population is arab?


Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.
 
2012-11-15 01:34:02 PM

BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


No.
 
2012-11-15 01:34:36 PM

queezyweezel: JusticeandIndependence: queezyweezel: JusticeandIndependence: Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.

No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.

George Carlin doesn't make fun of people grieving over their dead children. All you are is despicable.

1. I wasn't making fun of him at all.
2. This is Fark, grow the fark up. People joke all the time around here.

The guy making light of a man crying while holding his dead child is telling me to grow up, and justifying it because other people do it too...wow.


I'd like to see how comments on a thread about one of Dubay's daughters dying in a car accident would turn out.
 
2012-11-15 01:34:38 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?

35 foot twinkies weighing 600 lbs for everybody


You don't follow business news I see.
 
2012-11-15 01:34:47 PM

I_C_Weener: One time my learned father said about the USSR becoming just Russia, "That area has always been ruled by dictators nothing will change."  That seems to apply to the middle east.  That area has always been run by tribal hate, always will be.
 
I think they call it Balkanization.


No, it hasn't always been ruled by "tribal hate". Perhaps I'm taking your words too seriously because I've studied the region, but it's simply not true.
 
2012-11-15 01:35:05 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

No.


¿Por que no?
 
2012-11-15 01:35:05 PM

coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.


Firing rockets at civilians?

I think they're both asshats.
Of course, as one of many siblings, and having observed my own children, this is the scenario* that comes to mind (maturity level properly inferred):
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it. I'm serious.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it. That hurts.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it, or I'll smack you.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: Stop it.
Little Sib: *pokes Big Sib*
Big Sib: *SMACK*
Little Sib: MMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!


*Except when it comes to Gaza/Hamas and Israel, human beings die.
 
2012-11-15 01:35:27 PM

queezyweezel: JusticeandIndependence: queezyweezel: JusticeandIndependence: Ego edo infantia cattus: JusticeandIndependence: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

I cried like that too when my Honey Baked Ham arrived late.


/too soon?
//sorry


I bet all your friends think your hilarious.

No not really. They think I'm a doofus. Only on the interwebs am I George Carlin.

George Carlin doesn't make fun of people grieving over their dead children. All you are is despicable.

1. I wasn't making fun of him at all.
2. This is Fark, grow the fark up. People joke all the time around here.

The guy making light of a man crying while holding his dead child is telling me to grow up, and justifying it because other people do it too...wow.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:35:32 PM

GAT_00: evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.

I actually expect Israel will annex both the West Bank and Gaza once this round is done.


Well if they can't play nice they don't get to keep nice things.

Recognize Israel's right to exist, drop the violence, kiss a few assess of the powers that be, and live in peace..... or something they should have tried 50 years ago. They have only continued to lose land doing it their way but just maybe it can work this time.

Facepalm.jpg
 
2012-11-15 01:36:02 PM

BgJonson79: You have more faith in humanity than I do, it would seem :-D


Even the most homogenous places are surprisingly varied once you look past the mainstream culture. At least in the cities, where there is room for subcultures.
 
2012-11-15 01:36:03 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

No.




Aren't you late for your Klan rally?
 
2012-11-15 01:37:04 PM
This is a plan to destroy Israel in an attack from all sides.
The Palestinians start cooking things up and Israel takes the gloves off.
Everyone to the north of Israel (From Hezbollah to everone who's in Syria (gov't, rebels, al-queda, others)) stops fighting each other and turns their anger south. Then the slightly shaky Egypt joins in, pushed by internal and pulled by external forces, in an all-out attempt at a final solution of wiping Israel off the map.
 
2012-11-15 01:37:06 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: SithLord: chiefsfaninkc: Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.

It looks like the entire Mideast has erupted into a shiatstorm since Obama took office.

But hey, we got universal healthcare.

[t3.gstatic.com image 199x253]

Sooooooo.... By your logic, 9/11 was due to what?


Israel citizens reported by a van near the attack site.

Link
 
2012-11-15 01:37:12 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: Sooooooo.... By your logic, 9/11 was due to what?



The Jews?
 
2012-11-15 01:37:14 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: You have more faith in humanity than I do, it would seem :-D

Even the most homogenous places are surprisingly varied once you look past the mainstream culture. At least in the cities, where there is room for subcultures.


Yeah, I live in NH...
 
2012-11-15 01:37:34 PM
If the Hamas terrorists would lay down their weapons there would be peace, if Israel laid down their weapons there would be no more Israel.
 
2012-11-15 01:37:40 PM

GungFu: Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.


Well, to be fair, they don't fight over made up gods, they're much more rational than that, they hate each other over real-estate.

i.dailymail.co.uk
"I never thought our collective tacit approval of mutual arab-jew hatred would lead to the death of my child!! What a waste! I think I shall hate them more now!!!" 

/needed to be said.
 
2012-11-15 01:37:48 PM

coco ebert: Brontes: coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.

Armenians?

*quizzical dog look* They have their own state.


Nothing personal, but that one was appropriately under the belt.
 
2012-11-15 01:37:49 PM

BgJonson79: Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.


Jordan is Jordan, not Palestine. Anyway, what good is Jordan for the palestinians who live west of the Jordan?
 
2012-11-15 01:39:03 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.

As we all know, the planet didn't exist prior to 1350 BC. Or, more realistically, such arguments suck i hate facts.


FTFY
 
2012-11-15 01:39:25 PM

coco ebert: I_C_Weener: One time my learned father said about the USSR becoming just Russia, "That area has always been ruled by dictators nothing will change."  That seems to apply to the middle east.  That area has always been run by tribal hate, always will be.
 
I think they call it Balkanization.

No, it hasn't always been ruled by "tribal hate". Perhaps I'm taking your words too seriously because I've studied the region, but it's simply not true.



Either as part of a conquering empire, or tribalization.  Nothing in between really.  An adult keeping the kids from tearing each others throats out or complete anarchy.  Sure, its a generalization but other than recently (Turkey) the area has been run by tribes or dictators.  AND THEY LIKED IT!
 
2012-11-15 01:39:32 PM
Hamas wants to ensure that Bibi is re-elected in the upcoming election. As a radical hardliner, he helps their cause immensely.

If a peacenik (or even moderate or slightly sane centrist) PM was elected in Israel, there is a huge risk to Hamas that peace could break out, which is obviously not in their interests.

So the logical thing for them to do is exactly what they are doing, be as threatening and aggressive as possible, in order to ensure that their fellow hard-line loonies stay in power in Israel. They recognize that the real threat to extremists is not the extremists on the other side, since they both see things in extreme black & white terms, they actually share most elements of their worldview.

No, the threat to hardliners is the mushy middle. The pacifists on both sides who would rather talk, and build schools, hospitals and make life better for Israelis and Palestinians. Where's the profit and power in that? You keep power by keeping people afraid.
 
2012-11-15 01:40:16 PM
There is so much HERP DERP in this issue/thread that you can't a conversation without having to HERP DERP.
 
2012-11-15 01:40:20 PM

evoke: GAT_00:
Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.


You're really chowing down on that old USA/Israeli propaganda there bud.
 
2012-11-15 01:40:24 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.

Jordan is Jordan, not Palestine. Anyway, what good is Jordan for the palestinians who live west of the Jordan?


That's what I mean about the history of it all. Waaaayyyy back in college I took a course on the Arab-Israeli conflict and learned a ton about the history of it all. Jordan and Palestine were one big group of people and one sorta province of the Ottoman Empire, until they lost WWI and the British got the Mandate of Palestine and they broke it up into differing states. Jordan was called Trans-jordan, IE, the other side of the Jordan (al-Urdun) River. Same ethnic group, other side of the river.
 
2012-11-15 01:40:24 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.

Jordan is Jordan, not Palestine. Anyway, what good is Jordan for the palestinians who live west of the Jordan?


He has a kickass basketball court next to his pool and throws great parties?
 
2012-11-15 01:40:48 PM

gerrymander: GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.

That's a rather pristine cloth cover for a baby supposedly killed in a rocket attack. Did a congenital heart condition trigger when the kid was scared to death by the noise of an explosion? Or is the guy just an actor grieving over a sack of potatoes?

And yes, I am accusing the Gazan arm of the BBC staging a photo. It wouldn't be the first time.



Hurray for Paliwood!

Once saw a Palestinian funeral procession where everybody, including the dead guy, took off running because they heard helicopters approaching.
 
2012-11-15 01:41:02 PM

JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.


Nah, not enough thinly veiled political motivations against Mexico. They have no oil. Theres no legacy to finish daddy war, nothing that motivates modern America.
 
2012-11-15 01:41:23 PM
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-(
 
2012-11-15 01:41:30 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79:

Now, how does one create a jewish homeland in an area where 90% of the population is arab?


Chutzpah (play /ˈhʊtspə/ or /ˈxʊtspə/[1][2]) is the quality of audacity, for good or for bad.

Chutzpah, lots of it.

and guns
 
2012-11-15 01:41:49 PM

ranold: There is so much HERP DERP in this issue/thread that you can't a conversation without having to HERP DERP.



This all part of Obama's plan to turn us all into Muslims.
 
2012-11-15 01:41:58 PM

Lupine Chemist: Smeggy Smurf: Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?

35 foot twinkies weighing 600 lbs for everybody

You don't follow business news I see.


You need a little more vitamin Snark in your life
 
2012-11-15 01:42:06 PM
WTF is this shait, they are like 4 week too early.
 
2012-11-15 01:42:09 PM
Ok, so Hamas fired eleventy billion rockets at Israel.

I'm curious about the rockets.

We know the Gaza Strip isn't big. 25 miles long, 6 miles wide, borders the Mediterrenean on the northwest, Israel on the northeast, southeast and shares a small border with Egypt on the southwest.

What sort of rockets are they using?

The Qassam rocket.

upload.wikimedia.org

Their range?

upload.wikimedia.org

Their cost? $800 per rocket (according to wiki).

These things suck. I mean they fail all the time, apparently. And from this image, they look like metal bottle rockets.

upload.wikimedia.org

Hamas should spend more time building infrastructure with that money. At the same time, Isreal relies on scaring the absolute sh*t out of Americans with the 'oh they are launching a jillion rockets at us' as if they were ICBMs or Patriot missiles.
 
2012-11-15 01:42:11 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

No.


Why not?
 
2012-11-15 01:42:12 PM
DECEMBER 21st, 2012

lolz
 
2012-11-15 01:42:19 PM

Captain Steroid: CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-(


Bring the ponies Captain.
 
2012-11-15 01:42:20 PM

queezyweezel: Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.

Jordan is Jordan, not Palestine. Anyway, what good is Jordan for the palestinians who live west of the Jordan?

He has a kickass basketball court next to his pool and throws great parties?


Free Fruit of the Loom for everyone?
 
2012-11-15 01:42:31 PM

Captain Steroid: CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-(



Lets go back to the halcyon days of Hamas lobbing rockets and Israel doing nothing.
 
2012-11-15 01:43:16 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: It never ceases to amuse me to see the side reknowned for dropping white phosphorus muntions on schools and refugee camps complaining about the deliberate targetting of civilians.

Oh, no, sorry. I meant disgusts. My bad.


/both sides really are as bad as each other, so vote Bacon.


MEH
I find it impossible to get upset when we discus "illegal" and war in the same sentence.
I find the "idea" of legal and illegal during war as a bit silly. As an attempt to civilize war, to make it less deadly.

It is a great idea in theory, but I am guessing that that theory will be severely tested in the next 100 years as wars continue to become more urban-asymmetric conflicts and less battlefield stand up fights.

Look at how upset those brits got when the americans refused to stand in rows and get shot at!!
LOL
 
2012-11-15 01:43:31 PM

Sultan Of Herf: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.

Nah, not enough thinly veiled political motivations against Mexico. They have no oil. Theres no legacy to finish daddy war, nothing that motivates modern America.


[quizzical_dog.jpg]
Mexico makes it the sixth largest producer of oil in the world and the tenth largest in terms of net export as of 2007. It is the second largest oil producer in the Western Hemisphere behind only the United States and just ahead of Canada.
 
2012-11-15 01:43:55 PM

queezyweezel: Keep Colorado there as a buffer.


Colorado will be one giant haze soon.
 
2012-11-15 01:43:59 PM
All this over whether some goat 3,000 years ago was speckled, or just dirty.
 
2012-11-15 01:44:01 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: namatad: GentDirkly: The Gaza strip should be evacuated of all people. They can be relocated to Beth Shean or some other part of Israel that is less strategically important. Hopefully wherever they go gets taken over by an Arab government. Maybe Jordan?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You are actually on to something here.
Or do a land purchase from Jordan, buy twice the land as gaza currently is.
build a giant wall on the israel and jordan side of it.
move EVERYONE and everything.
probably would have to build a TON of cement housing before you moved all the people

You know this would never work. The Palestinians are clearly anti-cementic.


The Lebanese however are generally hard as a rock...
 
2012-11-15 01:44:20 PM

SithLord: queezyweezel: Keep Colorado there as a buffer.

Colorado will be one giant haze soon.


So more of a smoke screen then.
 
2012-11-15 01:45:16 PM

GAT_00: Tatsuma: Things are about to get farking real. Holy farking shiat.

Well now you get that holy cleansing of undesirables you always wanted. All glory to the Hebrew state.


And the thread goes to derp in 2 comments. I present you, GAT_00, with the speedy derp award. Wear it proudly!
 
2012-11-15 01:45:37 PM
The people behind all this: The Palestinian Rocket Painter's Union.
 
2012-11-15 01:45:55 PM

tjassen: Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?

I'll live tweet it for you.

/Waiting for the call up phone call.
//Should do some laundry, to make sure I have enough underwear.


Do you think it makes most sense to go in asap now? It does to me, I'm afraid.

/Good luck if you do
 
2012-11-15 01:45:55 PM

Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.


1) I love you for putting this list together.
2) I pick 2354 BC just to fark both sides over.

I do find it cute that Muslim side always picks the piece of cake which looks best to them.
We arent siblings/friends learning to share. It is the game of thrones and the one with knife wins.
 
2012-11-15 01:46:36 PM

mootmah: Captain Steroid: CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-(

Bring the ponies Captain.


Yes. I DEMAND Israel/Hamas related Pony captures/memes.

DEMAND.
 
2012-11-15 01:47:03 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: queezyweezel: Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.

Jordan is Jordan, not Palestine. Anyway, what good is Jordan for the palestinians who live west of the Jordan?

He has a kickass basketball court next to his pool and throws great parties?

Free Fruit of the Loom for everyone?



What about free Hitler mustaches?

i256.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-15 01:47:09 PM

Weaver95: so what happens if Israeli troops actually go into Gaza?


Tatsuma does his best Meg Ryan/When Harry Met Sally impression.
 
2012-11-15 01:47:23 PM

mootmah: Captain Steroid: CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-(

Bring the ponies Captain.


i1182.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-15 01:48:04 PM

JusticeandIndependence: fatcurlytoes: I love how nobody gives the faintest shadow of a shiat about Arabs (including the Palestinians in Syrian camps getting used as human shields) until Israel raises a hand to defend itself and all of a sudden they're the bad guys and everyone gets excited.

What do you think the USA would do if Mexico shelled San Diego for a weekend? Glass parking lot doesn't begin to cover it. I hope Israel's leadership has the stones to get this done.

Do you routinely walk into rooms and start talking without listening to what anyone has said?

Cause you just did that.

15 people beat you to that analogy.


Not routinely, no, but I've read enough Jew-hating fark threads to not really want to wade through this one. Congrats to the sane 15 commenters, well done.
 
2012-11-15 01:48:10 PM
Send in TATS:
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-15 01:48:41 PM

BgJonson79: Holocaust Agnostic: BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

No.

¿Por que no?


No state has any particular right to exist, they either do or they don't according to the actions of their supporters and detractors.
 
2012-11-15 01:49:28 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: coco ebert: Brontes: coco ebert: BgJonson79: JusticeandIndependence: BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

Why?

Because, shouldn't every ethnic group get to have one?

Mos def. Just as the Kurds, Basques, Catalans, Quebecois (sp?), Tamils, and Texans.

Armenians?

*quizzical dog look* They have their own state.

Nothing personal, but that one was appropriately under the belt.


I thought that too, but I don't think poster read my profile.
 
2012-11-15 01:49:50 PM

Porous Horace: This is a plan to destroy Israel in an attack from all sides.
The Palestinians start cooking things up and Israel takes the gloves off.
Everyone to the north of Israel (From Hezbollah to everone who's in Syria (gov't, rebels, al-queda, others)) stops fighting each other and turns their anger south. Then the slightly shaky Egypt joins in, pushed by internal and pulled by external forces, in an all-out attempt at a final solution of wiping Israel off the map.


LOL
Except that Israel has proven that they can defend themselves from a multi-front war.
And they would use nukes if need be.
And the NEXT time this happens, they will keep the large swaths of land as a DMZ and not trade it back for a peace treaty.

Imagine the whole of the Sinai littered with cluster bombs, land mines and other fun death traps.
 
2012-11-15 01:49:55 PM
My ancestors, over two billion years ago, when they were Eukaryote, inhibited that area.. SO ITS TIME TO MOVE OUT MUSLIMS AND JEWS.
 
2012-11-15 01:50:31 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.

As we all know, the planet didn't exist prior to 1350 BC. Or, more realistically, such arguments suck.


that's_the_point.jpg

True. I'm usually in the 'Can't we all just get along' camp, but at this point there is so much bad blood on both sides it's probably best to have the rest of the world turn their backs for 7 days and see who's left standing in the rubble.
 
2012-11-15 01:51:48 PM
Oh, so Tats slithered out from the hole in the wall, huh?

Here you go, chucklefark. Here's the holy war you've been wanting for so long. Choke on it; it's only real people, after all.
 
2012-11-15 01:52:18 PM

Gleeman: rue. I'm usually in the 'Can't we all just get along' camp, but at this point there is so much bad blood on both sides it's probably best to have the rest of the world turn their backs for 7 days and see who's left standing in the rubble


That already happened in 1967.
*snicker*
 
2012-11-15 01:52:27 PM

ranold: My ancestors, over two billion years ago, when they were Eukaryote, inhibited that area.. SO ITS TIME TO MOVE OUT MUSLIMS AND JEWS.



So, are you a fan of first in time or finders keepers?  Right now, both favor the Jews.
 
2012-11-15 01:52:27 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: SithLord: chiefsfaninkc: Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.

It looks like the entire Mideast has erupted into a shiatstorm since Obama took office.

But hey, we got universal healthcare.

[t3.gstatic.com image 199x253]

Sooooooo.... By your logic, 9/11 was due to what?


Bush kept things stable, albeit through means not entirely supported here at home. He only had two countries that erupted but kept Israel on a short leash from going all Armageddony. Under Obama's watch we lost stability in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Syria. Obama has also flubbed his nose at Israel. Not that I give one lick for Israel, but even as an ally, you don't turn your back on them. The countries that lost stability are some of Israel's most feared neighbors and the new regimes are held in lockstep with some of Israel's enemies.

Israel doesn't really have a choice but to defend. I've always supported Israel's use of war on its enemies. So long as Israel can mind their own without us getting involved.
 
2012-11-15 01:53:33 PM

Raharu: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better then nothing.


It's a method to preserve ammunition.

It tracks the rockets in flight and only intercepts those that it thinks will be landing in populated areas. IIRC each battery only has something like 20 interceptors before it has to reload.
 
2012-11-15 01:53:38 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: BgJonson79: Holocaust Agnostic: BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

No.

¿Por que no?

No state has any particular right to exist, they either do or they don't according to the actions of their supporters and detractors.


How does that NOT result in genocide?
 
2012-11-15 01:53:58 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: BgJonson79: Holocaust Agnostic: BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

No.

¿Por que no?

No state has any particular right to exist, they either do or they don't according to the actions of their supporters and detractors.


Whether they 'should' or not isn't important. They do. I think Romney knows, given by the fact that he wanted to 'kick the can down the road, so to speak', as do others, that this whole thing is the only way to keep the Middle East from going apeshiat on Israel- and as such nobody is going to fix it. I mean, the US loves Israel. And Saudi Arabia. The Saudi people do not like Israel. The leaders love the US, and probably don't really care about Israel. but the people do. I think this is the region's little outlet valve to vent frustration on each other.

If I am wrong, please educate me. But it seems to me that this conflict could be over pretty damn quickly if the US really wanted it, if Israel really wanted, if Saudi Arabia (and other nations in the region) really wanted it. Maybe the US and Israel hate Iran because it is the only nation that 'got it' and decided they weren't going to support it.
 
2012-11-15 01:54:16 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: No state has any particular right to exist, they either do or they don't according to the actions of their supporters and detractors.


Existence is.
The "right" is irrelevant.

Israel exists. End of story.
It is the same story for every other country in the world.
The US exists. Did it have the right to kill all the natives and take all the land?
Who cares, it happened, it is over, and millions of people live here now bathing in the spoils of those wars.

WARS are all about land grabs. (yes, I know, there are other kinds of wars, but for this argument, we are talking about the traditional wars used to build countries)

HELL, the US exists because we illegally went to war with england and stole their rightful land.
Every side in a war justifies their actions. Some of those justifications are less lame than others.
 
2012-11-15 01:54:29 PM

BgJonson79: That's what I mean about the history of it all. Waaaayyyy back in college I took a course on the Arab-Israeli conflict and learned a ton about the history of it all. Jordan and Palestine were one big group of people and one sorta province of the Ottoman Empire, until they lost WWI and the British got the Mandate of Palestine and they broke it up into differing states. Jordan was called Trans-jordan, IE, the other side of the Jordan (al-Urdun) River. Same ethnic group, other side of the river.


You missed my point. The palestinians who lived west of the Jordan ... lived west of the Jordan. Creating a palestinian homeland somewhere else would do them no good. Some people don't mind picking up and moving at the drop of a hat (or at the whim of some government), but if your family has lived in the place for centuries, you might not be so keen on leaving. Particularly when it's somebody else telling to move.
 
2012-11-15 01:55:06 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: mootmah: Captain Steroid: CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-(

Bring the ponies Captain.

Yes. I DEMAND Israel/Hamas related Pony captures/memes.

DEMAND.


i1182.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-15 01:57:04 PM

I_C_Weener: ranold: My ancestors, over two billion years ago, when they were Eukaryote, inhibited that area.. SO ITS TIME TO MOVE OUT MUSLIMS AND JEWS.


So, are you a fan of first in time or finders keepers?  Right now, both favor the Jews.


HEY, he did go back 2 billion years ... :D
And yah, the only other solution "share and share alike" is a foreign concept to both sides in this war.
Is peace really a christian concept?
Sure, christian have fought a bazillion wars, but we do seem to have slightly longer lasting peace treaties.
 
2012-11-15 01:57:13 PM

Nadie_AZ: Ok, so Hamas fired eleventy billion rockets at Israel.

I'm curious about the rockets.

We know the Gaza Strip isn't big. 25 miles long, 6 miles wide, borders the Mediterrenean on the northwest, Israel on the northeast, southeast and shares a small border with Egypt on the southwest.

What sort of rockets are they using?

The Qassam rocket.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x197]

Their range?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 351x585]

Their cost? $800 per rocket (according to wiki).

These things suck. I mean they fail all the time, apparently. And from this image, they look like metal bottle rockets.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 666x599]

Hamas should spend more time building infrastructure with that money. At the same time, Isreal relies on scaring the absolute sh*t out of Americans with the 'oh they are launching a jillion rockets at us' as if they were ICBMs or Patriot missiles.


So you would be fine if someone would start shooting at you with a.22 as long as they dont actually hit you... about 50 times a day... Wow, you are retarded.
 
2012-11-15 02:00:28 PM

namatad: Porous Horace: This is a plan to destroy Israel in an attack from all sides.
The Palestinians start cooking things up and Israel takes the gloves off.
Everyone to the north of Israel (From Hezbollah to everone who's in Syria (gov't, rebels, al-queda, others)) stops fighting each other and turns their anger south. Then the slightly shaky Egypt joins in, pushed by internal and pulled by external forces, in an all-out attempt at a final solution of wiping Israel off the map.

LOL
Except that Israel has proven that they can defend themselves from a multi-front war.
And they would use nukes if need be.



Because dropping a nuke on a 25 mile strip of land in your own country is a great idea.
I guess as long as the wind is blowing out they should be fine.
 
2012-11-15 02:01:15 PM

GAT_00: pag1107: Are Tats and GAT gonna have fisticuffs?

/grabs popcorn
//waits

He won't talk to me, so no.



Tats put me on "ignore" in the very first thread we both posted in.

If ya can't beat 'em, ignore 'em.

Right tats?
 
2012-11-15 02:02:00 PM

cameroncrazy1984: evoke: GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.

Israel left Gaza in 2005. They don't want it back. What they want is the terrorists to stop shooting missles at their people in the south. Sounds reasonable to me.

Perhaps they should stop building settlements on land that isn't theirs, then?


None of it was theirs.
 
2012-11-15 02:02:02 PM

Joe Blowme: Nadie_AZ: Ok, so Hamas fired eleventy billion rockets at Israel.

I'm curious about the rockets.

We know the Gaza Strip isn't big. 25 miles long, 6 miles wide, borders the Mediterrenean on the northwest, Israel on the northeast, southeast and shares a small border with Egypt on the southwest.

What sort of rockets are they using?

The Qassam rocket.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x197]

Their range?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 351x585]

Their cost? $800 per rocket (according to wiki).

These things suck. I mean they fail all the time, apparently. And from this image, they look like metal bottle rockets.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 666x599]

Hamas should spend more time building infrastructure with that money. At the same time, Isreal relies on scaring the absolute sh*t out of Americans with the 'oh they are launching a jillion rockets at us' as if they were ICBMs or Patriot missiles.

So you would be fine if someone would start shooting at you with a.22 as long as they dont actually hit you... about 50 times a day... Wow, you are retarded.


My point isn't to say that they should or shouldn't defend themselves. Of course you defend yourself. I completely see the political advantage Israel has in claiming any damn bottle rocket is a weapon being launched at them is, in fact, a massive barrage of missiles.

And that is it. Interesting to see how small that area of the world is and how big it is presented 'over here'.
 
2012-11-15 02:02:35 PM
just to clear a few things up:

Gaza = city
Gaza Strip = Israeli occupied Palestine, run by Hamas

Illegal Israeli settlements are in the West Bank

Gaza Strip /= West Bank
West Bank = Israeli occupied Palestine, run by the PA

Only port of entry for goods into the Gaza Strip is Kerem Shalom Crossing from Egypt (and some illegal tunnels)

Hamas = Dicks
Israelis = Dicks
 
2012-11-15 02:03:00 PM

BgJonson79: Holocaust Agnostic: BgJonson79: Holocaust Agnostic: BgJonson79: Mad_Radhu: Rev. Skarekroe: Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.

Yep.
I wish we could just ignore everything from the Mediterranean to India. "You guys do whatever you want. Just leave everyone else on Earth out of it."

So much this. One reason I'm a huge fan of alternative energy is that I can't wait for the day when we can sever ties to the region on both the Arab and Israeli sides of the conflict and just let them kill each other in peace until they eventually grow up and join the rest of the civilized world. There's nothing good that can ever come of getting ourselves involved in this mess, but we have too many links to the Israelis and the Saudis to be able to ignore the conflict the way we really need to.

Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?

No.

¿Por que no?

No state has any particular right to exist, they either do or they don't according to the actions of their supporters and detractors.

How does that NOT result in genocide?


Lowat? Genocides and atrocities have happened all throughout history both to destroy and create states. No idea what that has to do with answering the question of wether a state has a right to exist or not one way or the other.
 
2012-11-15 02:03:09 PM
goddamnit do bronies hafta threadshiat on everything? jesus farking h christ
 
2012-11-15 02:03:15 PM

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


www.german-helmets.com


What Israel's "Iron Dome" might look like.
 
2012-11-15 02:03:16 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Sultan Of Herf: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas? Hell, just 1 rocket ... that maybe broke some cattle rancher's arm and pre-cooked a few of his bovine friends. Yet alone 169 impacting USA soil. And yet people still balk at Israel's relatively subdued retaliation as being over the top? Amazing. If that happened here, the end result would probably be a few thousand square miles of new USA soil before it was all over. "Even Newer Mexico", the 51st state.

Nah, not enough thinly veiled political motivations against Mexico. They have no oil. Theres no legacy to finish daddy war, nothing that motivates modern America.

[quizzical_dog.jpg]
Mexico makes it the sixth largest producer of oil in the world and the tenth largest in terms of net export as of 2007. It is the second largest oil producer in the Western Hemisphere behind only the United States and just ahead of Canada.


In reality the best analogy would have Mexico not only throwing rockets at us, but also referring to San Antonio as an 'occupied city' and all of Texas rightfully Mexican land. We would go in with aircraft and remove their rocket launchers. If they insisted on continuing, we'd take the land the rocket launchers were set up on...and so on.

Liberals looking at this as a Conservative vs. Liberal thing really need to take off their American politics and hang it on a peg by the door. Common sense would suggest that the inhabitants of Samaria and Gaza would be far better off as part of Israel, working toward an integral part of society and eventually the government and that would give them a true voice with regard to who owns what land and such. Instead, we have what we have here. Anyone expecting a happy ending needs to go down the hall to the other cinema.
 
2012-11-15 02:03:45 PM
I know you're pissed, Palestinians, and I somewhat sympathize, but if you fark with Israel, they will tear you a new one.
 
2012-11-15 02:03:47 PM
I"m off to lunch. Will you please try not to blow up the world before I get back. I'd like to die with a full belly
 
2012-11-15 02:04:14 PM

Amos Quito: If ya can't beat 'em, ignore 'em. Right tats?


You were cutting into his narrative, that's all. It's not like he's so craven, right?
 
2012-11-15 02:04:25 PM

The_Sponge: Jim from Saint Paul: queezyweezel: Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Except there already is a Palestinian state, and there was one at the time, too. Google the history of the Kingdom of Jordan.

Jordan is Jordan, not Palestine. Anyway, what good is Jordan for the palestinians who live west of the Jordan?

He has a kickass basketball court next to his pool and throws great parties?

Free Fruit of the Loom for everyone?


What about free Hitler mustaches?

[i256.photobucket.com image 330x344]


img2.bdbphotos.com

Maybe they hear an incoming rocket?

cdn-www.cracked.com

Oh. Nevermind.

www.americanthinker.com

Also:

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2012-11-15 02:04:45 PM

Lehk: With claims that Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people, defence officials said Israel was prepared to launch a ground invasion into Gaza if necessary.


So far, at least 15 people, including Mr Jaabari, have been killed in more than 50 Israeli airstrikes - codenamed Operation Pillar Of Defence. Two young children were also among the dead.

Izzy has not reached their ordinary quota of 1 Israeli worth 10 'rabs one being a child yet, they will continue airstrikes until at least 1 more child and 14 adults are killed



Spot on.
 
2012-11-15 02:04:59 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Armageddon tired of this

/we've re-elected the anti-christ, let's get it over with


Yeah, but that was back in 1984
 
2012-11-15 02:05:34 PM

Tatsuma: A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them


History has shown that when it comes to protection, God always sides with the Jews.

Pray on.
 
2012-11-15 02:05:41 PM

JK47: I'm not even going to address the rest of your post since it's predicated on the false premise that Gaza is another country and not an occupied territory.


Occupied by whom? Just how many Israeli settlements to you think there are in the Gaza Strip? Or are you talking about the thousands of IDF troops that aren't in Gaza?
 
2012-11-15 02:06:31 PM
Thank goodness we have a Nobel Peace Prize winner in the Oval Office.

Obama will step in and take care of everything!!!
 
2012-11-15 02:07:33 PM

Tommyknocker2121: Raharu: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better then nothing.

It's a method to preserve ammunition.

It tracks the rockets in flight and only intercepts those that it thinks will be landing in populated areas. IIRC each battery only has something like 20 interceptors before it has to reload.


That's pretty neat!
 
2012-11-15 02:07:45 PM

Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.


Was this before or after they killed the Hamas leader?
 
2012-11-15 02:07:52 PM

cameroncrazy1984: evoke: Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives

How is bulldozing homes "benevolent"?


If it's not occupied by Jooz then they're just squatters on land granted by God to the Jooz. Didn't you know... they're the Chosen People. The rest of us are just animals. They even have a word in their language just for the rest of us unwashed masses. No... that's not culturally imbedded bigotry at all.
 
2012-11-15 02:08:57 PM

netcentric: Iron dome on shoots at ones that are a direct threat to civilians. It does not target all incoming rockets/mortars/missiles.


So it's a fire control system for Hamas...
 
2012-11-15 02:09:38 PM

SithLord: Ego edo infantia cattus: SithLord: chiefsfaninkc: Good thing that Obama "The Sort of a God" was reelected otherwise the middle east could turn into a powder keg.

It looks like the entire Mideast has erupted into a shiatstorm since Obama took office.

But hey, we got universal healthcare.

[t3.gstatic.com image 199x253]

Sooooooo.... By your logic, 9/11 was due to what?

Bush kept things stable, albeit through means not entirely supported here at home. He only had two countries that erupted but kept Israel on a short leash from going all Armageddony. Under Obama's watch we lost stability in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and Syria. Obama has also flubbed his nose at Israel. Not that I give one lick for Israel, but even as an ally, you don't turn your back on them. The countries that lost stability are some of Israel's most feared neighbors and the new regimes are held in lockstep with some of Israel's enemies.

Israel doesn't really have a choice but to defend. I've always supported Israel's use of war on its enemies. So long as Israel can mind their own without us getting involved.


Who was President for most of the Second Intifada?

Who was President when the IDF had their last not so excellent Lebanese adventure?
 
2012-11-15 02:10:11 PM
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
 
2012-11-15 02:10:27 PM
imageshack.us


Leeds: Thank goodness we have a Nobel Peace Prize winner in the Oval Office.

Obama will step in and take care of everything!!!


Butt Mad Partisan Shill / Hack like typing detected!

Also why would The President get involved? Israel knows what its doing and has this well in hand.
 
2012-11-15 02:10:49 PM
d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
 
2012-11-15 02:11:47 PM
i1231.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-15 02:12:13 PM

Amos Quito: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

[www.german-helmets.com image 330x241]


What Israel's "Iron Dome" might look like.


You'd rather it be like this, right?

www.breakfastblogger.com
 
2012-11-15 02:13:06 PM

Hetfield: Tatsuma: A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them

History has shown that when it comes to protection, God always sides with the Jews.

Pray on.


Except for this one period in Europe where they were systematically rounded up and...ok multiple periods and multiple locations, where they were shot, gassed, stabbed, deported, blown up, exiled, etc.

Being God's Chosen People is hard.

/my prayers to all in harm's way and hopes for a just peace, though when it comes to this region of the world, I'm afraid I'm a bit of a pessimist
 
2012-11-15 02:13:32 PM
Just give it back to the Canaanites and be through with it.
 
2012-11-15 02:15:43 PM

Raharu: [imageshack.us image 660x393]

Leeds: Thank goodness we have a Nobel Peace Prize winner in the Oval Office.

Obama will step in and take care of everything!!!

Butt Mad Partisan Shill / Hack like typing detected!

Also why would The President get involved? Israel knows what its doing and has this well in hand.


Lighten up, Francis, it was meant as a joke.

But in all reality I doubt that anyone can fix this problem.

Religious people don't seem to have the ability to work through their problems logically.
 
2012-11-15 02:16:00 PM

namatad: Holocaust Agnostic: No state has any particular right to exist, they either do or they don't according to the actions of their supporters and detractors.

Existence is.
The "right" is irrelevant.

Israel exists. End of story.
It is the same story for every other country in the world.
The US exists. Did it have the right to kill all the natives and take all the land?
Who cares, it happened, it is over, and millions of people live here now bathing in the spoils of those wars.

WARS are all about land grabs. (yes, I know, there are other kinds of wars, but for this argument, we are talking about the traditional wars used to build countries)

HELL, the US exists because we illegally went to war with england and stole their rightful land.
Every side in a war justifies their actions. Some of those justifications are less lame than others.


...OK?

The question I was answering was "should the Jews have a state?". The answer in no. No group should or shouldn't have a state.

If you were to ask specifically do I think that the actually existing state of Israel should remain a Jewish state, that would also be "no". But that's a practical matter. It is demographically implausible. The Jews in Israel are being to badly outbred. Remaining a Jewish state eventually means actively disenfranchising or purging Muslims. And that's bad juju.
 
2012-11-15 02:16:11 PM
Remember kids, Our magic sky wizard is the best magic sky wizard and he wants you to kill anyone who won't accept it. Cause he loves everyone.

/farking idiots.
//BOTH sides.
 
2012-11-15 02:17:32 PM

hdhale: Hetfield: Tatsuma: A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them

History has shown that when it comes to protection, God always sides with the Jews.

Pray on.

Except for this one period in Europe where they were systematically rounded up and...ok multiple periods and multiple locations, where they were shot, gassed, stabbed, deported, blown up, exiled, etc.

Being God's Chosen People is hard.



Seems like they chose the wrong god.
 
2012-11-15 02:18:00 PM

Captain Steroid: Jim from Saint Paul: mootmah: Captain Steroid: CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! :-(

Bring the ponies Captain.

Yes. I DEMAND Israel/Hamas related Pony captures/memes.

DEMAND.

[i1182.photobucket.com image 500x277]


I have the weirdest broner right now.
 
2012-11-15 02:19:37 PM

optimistic_cynic: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Was this before or after they killed the Hamas leader?


Both. Rocket attacks went up dramatically a few days ago (into the hundreds), Israel blew up Hamas guy, Hamas Guy's friends shot more rockets, and more are landing near populated areas, now Israel will blow up more stuff and Hamas will blow up more stuff and Israel will blow up more stuff...
 
2012-11-15 02:20:06 PM

give me doughnuts: JK47: I'm not even going to address the rest of your post since it's predicated on the false premise that Gaza is another country and not an occupied territory.

Occupied by whom? Just how many Israeli settlements to you think there are in the Gaza Strip? Or are you talking about the thousands of IDF troops that aren't in Gaza?



Okay Gaza is under military siege and has been for years.

If you liked the Warsaw Ghetto, you'll LOVE Gaza.
 
2012-11-15 02:20:08 PM
Does anybody else feel like this shiat jumped the shark years ago?
 
2012-11-15 02:20:08 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: That's what I mean about the history of it all. Waaaayyyy back in college I took a course on the Arab-Israeli conflict and learned a ton about the history of it all. Jordan and Palestine were one big group of people and one sorta province of the Ottoman Empire, until they lost WWI and the British got the Mandate of Palestine and they broke it up into differing states. Jordan was called Trans-jordan, IE, the other side of the Jordan (al-Urdun) River. Same ethnic group, other side of the river.

You missed my point. The palestinians who lived west of the Jordan ... lived west of the Jordan. Creating a palestinian homeland somewhere else would do them no good. Some people don't mind picking up and moving at the drop of a hat (or at the whim of some government), but if your family has lived in the place for centuries, you might not be so keen on leaving. Particularly when it's somebody else telling to move.


Lived, but didn't own.
 
2012-11-15 02:21:55 PM

Leeds: Raharu: [imageshack.us image 660x393]

Leeds: Thank goodness we have a Nobel Peace Prize winner in the Oval Office.

Obama will step in and take care of everything!!!

Butt Mad Partisan Shill / Hack like typing detected!

Also why would The President get involved? Israel knows what its doing and has this well in hand.

Lighten up, Francis, it was meant as a joke.

But in all reality I doubt that anyone can fix this problem.

Religious people don't seem to have the ability to work through their problems logically.



You have to watch what you say sometimes or you end up looking like this Leeds.
anongallery.org

I do agree with your point however.
 
2012-11-15 02:23:15 PM

Nadie_AZ: These things suck. I mean they fail all the time, apparently. And from this image, they look like metal bottle rockets.


Yeah, but if Mexican drug lords were randomly shooting crap rockets into the southern U.S., and my home were near their range... Yes I would absolutely request either the freedom to shoot across the border at them, or military response. I think anyone would.

They're crappy rockets, sure enough, but it's not like you'd continue bar-b-cuing and drinking your beer if they started landing near you.
 
2012-11-15 02:24:45 PM

Nadie_AZ: Ok, so Hamas fired eleventy billion rockets at Israel.

I'm curious about the rockets.

We know the Gaza Strip isn't big. 25 miles long, 6 miles wide, borders the Mediterrenean on the northwest, Israel on the northeast, southeast and shares a small border with Egypt on the southwest.

What sort of rockets are they using?

The Qassam rocket.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x197]

Their range?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 351x585]

Their cost? $800 per rocket (according to wiki).

These things suck. I mean they fail all the time, apparently. And from this image, they look like metal bottle rockets.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 666x599]

Hamas should spend more time building infrastructure with that money. At the same time, Isreal relies on scaring the absolute sh*t out of Americans with the 'oh they are launching a jillion rockets at us' as if they were ICBMs or Patriot missiles.


Aren't they still using surplus Katyusha rockets too?
 
2012-11-15 02:24:57 PM
OK, everybody back to their corners. Hamas, you agree to acknowledge Israel's existence and stop bombing them. Israel, you acknowledge you took their land by force simply because you wanted it, pay Palestinians a yearly tax for the land, remove all settlements that are disputed. Deal?

/If at any point either side mentions "God giving us the land" we send that side to Mars... one way.
 
2012-11-15 02:29:29 PM
torontoist.com

Interesting report from the Real News

/very disturbing image of 3 year-old girl that was burned alive
//viewer discretion is advised
///SERIOUSLY
 
2012-11-15 02:29:34 PM

Nadie_AZ: Joe Blowme: Nadie_AZ: Ok, so Hamas fired eleventy billion rockets at Israel.

I'm curious about the rockets.

We know the Gaza Strip isn't big. 25 miles long, 6 miles wide, borders the Mediterrenean on the northwest, Israel on the northeast, southeast and shares a small border with Egypt on the southwest.

What sort of rockets are they using?

The Qassam rocket.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x197]

Their range?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 351x585]

Their cost? $800 per rocket (according to wiki).

These things suck. I mean they fail all the time, apparently. And from this image, they look like metal bottle rockets.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 666x599]

Hamas should spend more time building infrastructure with that money. At the same time, Isreal relies on scaring the absolute sh*t out of Americans with the 'oh they are launching a jillion rockets at us' as if they were ICBMs or Patriot missiles.

So you would be fine if someone would start shooting at you with a.22 as long as they dont actually hit you... about 50 times a day... Wow, you are retarded.

My point isn't to say that they should or shouldn't defend themselves. Of course you defend yourself. I completely see the political advantage Israel has in claiming any damn bottle rocket is a weapon being launched at them is, in fact, a massive barrage of missiles.

And that is it. Interesting to see how small that area of the world is and how big it is presented 'over here'.


So what do you call 130 rockets if not a barrage?

Amos Quito: Lehk: With claims that Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people, defence officials said Israel was prepared to launch a ground invasion into Gaza if necessary.


So far, at least 15 people, including Mr Jaabari, have been killed in more than 50 Israeli airstrikes - codenamed Operation Pillar Of Defence. Two young children were also among the dead.

Izzy has not reached their ordinary quota of 1 Israeli worth 10 'rabs one being a child yet, they will continue airstrikes until at least 1 more child and 14 adults are killed


Spot on.


Wow, dhimmi or full blown member of the death cult? Or maybe just a tard living in moms basement.
 
2012-11-15 02:30:42 PM
Just add Israel to the list of places I'm glad I'm not in today:

Shore towns of Long Island
Gaza
North Korea
Virginia
South Carolina
Syria
Haiti
Mitt Romney's planet
 
2012-11-15 02:31:01 PM
Meh.
 
2012-11-15 02:32:18 PM
Most of the rockets being fired are the older Katusha rockets. They have a 30lb bomb in them and would blow-up a room in a house or a single vehicle pretty easily. They only occasionally kill people because a victim has to be within about 10-15' to likely get a lethal chunk of the blast.

Now the new Grads have triple the payload and almost triple the range. They have about the same warhead as a 155mm artillery shell. If one hits your house directly, it would blow out a side and kill/injure everyone inside. A hundred pounds of explosives will do that.

So the rocket threat is unlikely to do massive damage, but the V1s and V2s didn't do that much real damage either. They are a weapon of terror against a civilian populace, not a military weapon since they are effectively unguided.
 
2012-11-15 02:32:58 PM
Israelis are moving more troops towrds Gaza and getting ready to call us the reserves. Awesome.

:/
 
2012-11-15 02:33:19 PM

hdhale: Hetfield: Tatsuma: A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them

History has shown that when it comes to protection, God always sides with the Jews.

Pray on.

Except for this one period in Europe where they were systematically rounded up and...ok multiple periods and multiple locations, where they were shot, gassed, stabbed, deported, blown up, exiled, etc.

Being God's Chosen People is hard.

/my prayers to all in harm's way and hopes for a just peace, though when it comes to this region of the world, I'm afraid I'm a bit of a pessimist


Ok so how long were the Egyptians enslaving the Jews in the old testament before God bailed em out? Had to be at least as long as WW2 lasted. Probably longer than that really. Oh and guess what... the guys who tortured Jews still lost in the end.
 
2012-11-15 02:33:26 PM

willyfreddy: [torontoist.com image 640x266]

Interesting report from the Real News

/very disturbing image of 3 year-old girl that was burned alive
//viewer discretion is advised
///SERIOUSLY


I hate this planet.
 
2012-11-15 02:34:23 PM

Uncle Tractor: You think the US was much better? Christians in general disliked / hated jews all the way up to 1945-48, US or not.


I'm sure you polled all of those folks back then.
 
2012-11-15 02:34:55 PM

dr_blasto: optimistic_cynic: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Was this before or after they killed the Hamas leader?

Both. Rocket attacks went up dramatically a few days ago (into the hundreds), Israel blew up Hamas guy, Hamas Guy's friends shot more rockets, and more are landing near populated areas, now Israel will blow up more stuff and Hamas will blow up more stuff and Israel will blow up more stuff...


Ah ok thanks! I didn't catch the whole story yesterday and though they just whacked the Hamas guy for no current reason.
 
2012-11-15 02:36:03 PM

BgJonson79: Shouldn't the Jews be able to have their own state?


The Israelis can do whatever they want to. I just don't think the job of the United States to ensure that their borders are protected. We've spent trillions of dollars and thousands of lives trying to stabilize that region, and as far as I can tell it hasn't done a damn bit of good. We need to cut our losses and let the chips fall where they may. I'm done squandering our blood and treasure trying to fix all the problems in the world when we have so many things that need our attention right here at home. We tried, it didn't work, and to keep trying to fix their problems is insanity.
 
2012-11-15 02:36:26 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Raharu: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

That is what? Like, 38%... I guess its better then nothing.

Well, it's really more of an Iron Colander


I laughed way harder at that than I should have.



/window seat
 
2012-11-15 02:39:11 PM

theresnothinglft: hdhale: Hetfield: Tatsuma: A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them

History has shown that when it comes to protection, God always sides with the Jews.

Pray on.

Except for this one period in Europe where they were systematically rounded up and...ok multiple periods and multiple locations, where they were shot, gassed, stabbed, deported, blown up, exiled, etc.

Being God's Chosen People is hard.

/my prayers to all in harm's way and hopes for a just peace, though when it comes to this region of the world, I'm afraid I'm a bit of a pessimist

Ok so how long were the Egyptians enslaving the Jews in the old testament before God bailed em out? Had to be at least as long as WW2 lasted. Probably longer than that really. Oh and guess what... the guys who tortured Jews still lost in the end.


That's actually a complete myth. There were never Jewish slaves in Egypt..

Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?
It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids.


tl;dr? Try the Podcast Link - CLICK HERE TO LISTEN.
 
2012-11-15 02:39:19 PM
Might makes right.
 
2012-11-15 02:39:31 PM
Hooray for Pallywood!

Link
 
2012-11-15 02:39:44 PM

coco ebert: BgJonson79: coco ebert: CygnusDarius: Huh, hearing some interesting comments on the radio. Looks like the Mexican government might be condemning the attacks. There's talk that a good majority of the Mexicans support Palestine, and a former senator says we would gain more if Mexico and the rest of Latin America were to side with Palestine.

/Not sure it's gonna happen
//Colombia is on the US' side, and the repercussions of such actions would hurts us more

The world basically supports Palestine, excluding the U.S. of course, which has blinders on when it comes to this issue.

Yeah, the rest of the world has always been so kind to Jewish people.

It's lazy and dangerous to use the anti-Semitic label against people when they critique Israel's policies.


Is it lazy and dangerous to use the that's racist label against people criticizing liberal policies.

I believe you are in that group...
 
2012-11-15 02:45:16 PM
Targeted Magnicide. What the hell did they expect?!

/ashamed my country sides with Israel
//there's no right side
 
2012-11-15 02:45:44 PM

madgonad: Most of the rockets being fired are the older Katusha rockets. They have a 30lb bomb in them and would blow-up a room in a house or a single vehicle pretty easily. They only occasionally kill people because a victim has to be within about 10-15' to likely get a lethal chunk of the blast.

Now the new Grads have triple the payload and almost triple the range. They have about the same warhead as a 155mm artillery shell. If one hits your house directly, it would blow out a side and kill/injure everyone inside. A hundred pounds of explosives will do that.

So the rocket threat is unlikely to do massive damage, but the V1s and V2s didn't do that much real damage either. They are a weapon of terror against a civilian populace, not a military weapon since they are effectively unguided.


Thank you for this.
 
2012-11-15 02:46:20 PM

Raharu: It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -


That's because they weren't considered Jews until after Moses marched them around the desert for a generation.

The sad thing is they thought he said, "we're going for dessert!"
 
2012-11-15 02:47:14 PM
1) Everything is quiet for a long time
2) Israel assassinates the head of the Palestinian military, killing civvies, including a child, in the process
3) Hamas fires two rockets at Israel
4) OMFG PALESTINIAN AGGRESSION!!! ALL GLORY TO ZION LET US ANNIHILATE OUR FOES WITH A LEGITIMATE RETALIATORY DEFENSIVE INVASION!!!
 
2012-11-15 02:48:57 PM
Didn't we have a farker on here yesterday saying he was living in Tel Aviv so he was safe from the bombing?
 
2012-11-15 02:49:16 PM

Tommy Moo: 1) Everything is quiet for a long time
2) Israel assassinates the head of the Palestinian military, killing civvies, including a child, in the process
3) Hamas fires two rockets at Israel
4) OMFG PALESTINIAN AGGRESSION!!! ALL GLORY TO ZION LET US ANNIHILATE OUR FOES WITH A LEGITIMATE RETALIATORY DEFENSIVE INVASION!!!


Well guess the thread is over. Mr. Moo hit the nail on the head. Everyone can go home now.
 
2012-11-15 02:49:48 PM
I wonder how much Israel pays these guys to shoot these ineffective rockets.

Only one party will benefit from this. So, let's center all of our news reports around their claims about rocket attacks and casualties. If rocket attacks didn't exist, it would be necessary for Benji the Butcher to invent them.

The Zionist has a history of killing even its own people in furtherance of politcal goals or more land.

What 90 innocent people killed by hardcore Israel-Firsters dressed as Arabs may look like:

www.bollyn.com
 
2012-11-15 02:52:40 PM

Tommy Moo: 1) Everything is quiet for a long time
2) Israel assassinates the head of the Palestinian military, killing civvies, including a child, in the process
3) Hamas fires two rockets at Israel
4) OMFG PALESTINIAN AGGRESSION!!! ALL GLORY TO ZION LET US ANNIHILATE OUR FOES WITH A LEGITIMATE RETALIATORY DEFENSIVE INVASION!!!


So you missed the part about rockets landing in Israel for DAYS before Israel blew up that guy? As well as missing multiple warnings from Israel that the shiat wouldn't be tolerated?
 
2012-11-15 02:54:10 PM

Tommy Moo: 1) Everything is quiet for a long time Hammas fires hundreds of rockets at Israeli civilians.
2) Israel assassinates the head of the Palestinian military, killing civvies, including a child, in the process
3) Hamas fires two rockets at Israel
4) OMFG PALESTINIAN AGGRESSION!!! ALL GLORY TO ZION LET US ANNIHILATE OUR FOES WITH A LEGITIMATE RETALIATORY DEFENSIVE INVASION!!!


How hard is it to check this one little fact? Obviously too hard for your limited congitive functions.
 
2012-11-15 02:54:24 PM
Link

good recovery
 
2012-11-15 02:57:07 PM
From Tommy Moo's portfolio.

mollypiper.com
 
2012-11-15 02:57:43 PM
I've been more curious about the ever continuing powerplay in the territories. And have been wondering how much of this is still due to the fight between Hamas and the PLO. Since Hamas boycotted the elections in October and the PLO didn't have a strong showing it seems like neither side really got an advantage so the stalemate continues. Link

Also it seems like Hamas has been having trouble keeping the other militant groups under control. Link

"A major Israeli attack on Gaza would not curb growing extremism in the Palestinian enclave, with the ruling Islamist group Hamas itself struggling to quell radicalism, a senior Israeli official said on Wednesday."

"Most of the activity is coming now not from Hamas," he said, adding that Islamic Jihad was receiving a relatively bigger share of the weapons that had "been pouring into Gaza".

And the Islamic Jihad is now claiming responsibility for the rocket attacks today. Link

The Quds Brigades hit the occupied city of Tel Rabea (Tel Aviv) with a Fajr 5 rocket causing a large explosion to shake the city," the group said in a brief statement, shortly after an AFP correspondent reported seeing a rocket land in the water south of the sprawling coastal city.

"What comes next will be greater," the statement added.
 
2012-11-15 02:58:18 PM

Semi-Sane: Might makes right.


Well it does decide who writes the history books.
 
2012-11-15 02:59:13 PM

Tommy Moo:

1) Everything is quiet for a long time never.
1.5 Addedum) Hamas fires rockets into Israel killing citizens.
2) Israel assassinates the head of the Palestinian military, killing civvies, including a child, in the process precision targets the head of the Hamas as they warned they would do, killing him.
3) Hamas fires two rockets at Israel.
4) OMFG PALESTINIAN AGGRESSION!!! ALL GLORY TO ZION LET US ANNIHILATE OUR FOES WITH A LEGITIMATE RETALIATORY DEFENSIVE INVASION!!!

WWIII is on, freakin' Mayans again!!!

/fixed
/nice trollin'
 
2012-11-15 03:00:02 PM

Tellingthem: I've been more curious about the ever continuing powerplay in the territories. And have been wondering how much of this is still due to the fight between Hamas and the PLO. Since Hamas boycotted the elections in October and the PLO didn't have a strong showing it seems like neither side really got an advantage so the stalemate continues. Link

Also it seems like Hamas has been having trouble keeping the other militant groups under control. Link

"A major Israeli attack on Gaza would not curb growing extremism in the Palestinian enclave, with the ruling Islamist group Hamas itself struggling to quell radicalism, a senior Israeli official said on Wednesday."

"Most of the activity is coming now not from Hamas," he said, adding that Islamic Jihad was receiving a relatively bigger share of the weapons that had "been pouring into Gaza".

And the Islamic Jihad is now claiming responsibility for the rocket attacks today. Link

The Quds Brigades hit the occupied city of Tel Rabea (Tel Aviv) with a Fajr 5 rocket causing a large explosion to shake the city," the group said in a brief statement, shortly after an AFP correspondent reported seeing a rocket land in the water south of the sprawling coastal city.

"What comes next will be greater," the statement added.


Huh, and here I thought Hamas was finding themselves under their martyr quota for the year. Interesting.
 
2012-11-15 03:00:40 PM
www.godgunsgutsglory.com
 
2012-11-15 03:01:40 PM

netcentric: Link

good recovery


Yeah... hope this girl (NSFW nor soul) gets one too.
 
2012-11-15 03:03:52 PM

Raharu: Also why would The President get involved? Israel knows what its doing and has this well in hand.


Well-put -- and this should be the entirety of our foreign policy toward Israel.
 
2012-11-15 03:03:53 PM

corronchilejano: netcentric: Link

good recovery

Yeah... hope this girl (NSFW nor soul) gets one too.


You mean the one they threw into the fire so they could blame Israel?
 
2012-11-15 03:05:19 PM

R.A.Danny: corronchilejano: netcentric: Link

good recovery

Yeah... hope this girl (NSFW nor soul) gets one too.

You mean the one they threw into the fire so they could blame Israel?


Citation Needed.
 
2012-11-15 03:05:24 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: willyfreddy: [torontoist.com image 640x266]

Interesting report from the Real News

/very disturbing image of 3 year-old girl that was burned alive
//viewer discretion is advised
///SERIOUSLY

I hate this planet.


I love this planet. The people infesting it like a melanoma made of crazy monkeys, not so much.
 
2012-11-15 03:06:07 PM

Tellingthem: I've been more curious about the ever continuing powerplay in the territories. And have been wondering how much of this is still due to the fight between Hamas and the PLO. Since Hamas boycotted the elections in October and the PLO didn't have a strong showing it seems like neither side really got an advantage so the stalemate continues. Link

Also it seems like Hamas has been having trouble keeping the other militant groups under control. Link

"A major Israeli attack on Gaza would not curb growing extremism in the Palestinian enclave, with the ruling Islamist group Hamas itself struggling to quell radicalism, a senior Israeli official said on Wednesday."

"Most of the activity is coming now not from Hamas," he said, adding that Islamic Jihad was receiving a relatively bigger share of the weapons that had "been pouring into Gaza".

And the Islamic Jihad is now claiming responsibility for the rocket attacks today. Link

The Quds Brigades hit the occupied city of Tel Rabea (Tel Aviv) with a Fajr 5 rocket causing a large explosion to shake the city," the group said in a brief statement, shortly after an AFP correspondent reported seeing a rocket land in the water south of the sprawling coastal city.

"What comes next will be greater," the statement added.


Really? Interesting.

A power play, perhaps? Weaken Hamas to strengthen IJ? Oh boy.
 
2012-11-15 03:06:28 PM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-11-15 03:06:34 PM

OnlyM3: [www.godgunsgutsglory.com image 408x312]


What does this have to do with him? And how many times do you need to be educated about how the NPP works and reminded that Obama himself wondered why he was given it?
 
2012-11-15 03:07:50 PM
Tel Aviv-Jaffa lies some 60 kilometres (36 miles) north of the Gaza Strip. Fajr 5 rockets have a range of up to 75 kilometres (46 miles).

Man, this place is tiny.
 
2012-11-15 03:08:15 PM
Israel keeps it real.
 
2012-11-15 03:10:11 PM
One other interesting bit is that the Islamic jihad is backed by Iran...Link

"Hamas no longer participates with the mujahideen," says Abdullah Shami, a veteran of Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), a more militant rival faction, which increasingly presents itself as the genuine article; Iran, the PIJ's keenest backer, supports it as an insurance policy in case Hamas abandons the battle altogether.
 
2012-11-15 03:10:16 PM
SSDD*

*Same shiat, different decade...

I'm kinda biased towards Israel because they're the only real secular democracy in the area, but I definitely don't have anything personal against Palestinians, either. On the OTOH, both sides should shoot a missile at Tatsuma's mother's basement because that dude has a Troll Annoyance Factor of 3.5 Bevets. What's with the Japanese name, BTW?

No, this is just the same tiresome crappola that's been going on since long before 1947 and it's getting tiresome. I was rooting for Yitzhak Rabin to finally achieve lasting peace until some right-wing fanatic assassinated Rabin and farked things up completely. Right now, I've kinda given up on any permanent peace in the Mideast and my main concern is that this doesn't go nuclear.

We've somehow managed to go the last 67 years without using nukes against people in spite of several close calls. Inevitably, nukes are going to be used somewhere, and right now the most likely spot is in the Mideast. More likely, it would come from this rocket event progressing to a land war, especially if Iran or Egypt get involved, and Israel retaliating by using one of its nukes on Tehran or Cairo. If America and Russia stay out and this doesn't escalate into nuclear Armageddon right away, I can imagine the backlash. Look how horrified the world was when under 3,000 people died on 9-11; imagine how much worse it would be if half a million civilians get fried.

I'm just glad I'm not in that benighted part of the world right now...*sigh*
 
2012-11-15 03:10:52 PM

RevMark: cameroncrazy1984: evoke: Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives

How is bulldozing homes "benevolent"?

If it's not occupied by Jooz then they're just squatters on land granted by God to the Jooz. Didn't you know... they're the Chosen People. The rest of us are just animals. They even have a word in their language just for the rest of us unwashed masses. No... that's not culturally imbedded bigotry at all.

troll or not fark off
 
2012-11-15 03:12:00 PM

Nadie_AZ: Tel Aviv-Jaffa lies some 60 kilometres (36 miles) north of the Gaza Strip. Fajr 5 rockets have a range of up to 75 kilometres (46 miles).

Man, this place is tiny.


That's part of the problem, though. Everybody wants a piece of this small area of land. Same piece, even.
 
2012-11-15 03:13:15 PM

BgJonson79: Lived, but didn't own.


If a landlord evicts everybody of one ethnicity to make room for tenants of another ethnicity, he or she is a racist.

When all the landlords in a region does this, it's ethnic cleansing.
 
2012-11-15 03:14:20 PM
 
2012-11-15 03:14:26 PM
Wipe each other off the map, please.
 
2012-11-15 03:16:58 PM

Joe Blowme: Amos Quito: Lehk: With claims that Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people, defence officials said Israel was prepared to launch a ground invasion into Gaza if necessary.


So far, at least 15 people, including Mr Jaabari, have been killed in more than 50 Israeli airstrikes - codenamed Operation Pillar Of Defence. Two young children were also among the dead.

Izzy has not reached their ordinary quota of 1 Israeli worth 10 'rabs one being a child yet, they will continue airstrikes until at least 1 more child and 14 adults are killed


Spot on.

Wow, dhimmi or full blown member of the death cult? Or maybe just a tard living in moms basement.



All you have to do is count the casualties.
 
2012-11-15 03:16:59 PM

Kurmudgeon: Uncle Tractor: You think the US was much better? Christians in general disliked / hated jews all the way up to 1945-48, US or not.

I'm sure you polled all of those folks back then.


No, I just read some history. I even linked to some of that history. Christians have been killing jews ever since Constantine. The holocaust was just the most recent climax.
 
2012-11-15 03:17:03 PM

TrollingForColumbine: RevMark: cameroncrazy1984: evoke: Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives

How is bulldozing homes "benevolent"?

If it's not occupied by Jooz then they're just squatters on land granted by God to the Jooz. Didn't you know... they're the Chosen People. The rest of us are just animals. They even have a word in their language just for the rest of us unwashed masses. No... that's not culturally imbedded bigotry at all.
troll or not fark off


Oooh, Tu quoque! That never happens here.
 
2012-11-15 03:17:27 PM

Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -


The Pyramids were built by paid workers.
 
2012-11-15 03:17:33 PM
this just in: violent organisms compete for territory.

5 billion year old news.

feel free to attach your specific ideological significance.
 
2012-11-15 03:21:16 PM

Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers.


That is pretty much what the article I linked to said as well.
 
2012-11-15 03:21:51 PM

Raharu: theresnothinglft: hdhale: Hetfield: Tatsuma: A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them

History has shown that when it comes to protection, God always sides with the Jews.

Pray on.

Except for this one period in Europe where they were systematically rounded up and...ok multiple periods and multiple locations, where they were shot, gassed, stabbed, deported, blown up, exiled, etc.

Being God's Chosen People is hard.

/my prayers to all in harm's way and hopes for a just peace, though when it comes to this region of the world, I'm afraid I'm a bit of a pessimist

Ok so how long were the Egyptians enslaving the Jews in the old testament before God bailed em out? Had to be at least as long as WW2 lasted. Probably longer than that really. Oh and guess what... the guys who tortured Jews still lost in the end.

That's actually a complete myth. There were never Jewish slaves in Egypt..

Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?
It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. - 

tl;dr? Try the Podcast Link - CLICK HERE TO LISTEN.


Are you say that jews were never slaves in egypt or that they were not slaves during the building of the pyramids?
 
2012-11-15 03:24:19 PM

corronchilejano: R.A.Danny: corronchilejano: netcentric: Link

good recovery

Yeah... hope this girl (NSFW nor soul) gets one too.

You mean the one they threw into the fire so they could blame Israel?

Citation Needed.


Pallywood has made that unnecessary.
 
2012-11-15 03:24:21 PM
Can we at least agree that Iron Dome is pretty farking amazing?
 
2012-11-15 03:25:07 PM

Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers.



Farking unions.
 
2012-11-15 03:27:31 PM

Raharu: theresnothinglft: hdhale: Hetfield: Tatsuma: That's actually a complete myth. There were never Jewish slaves in Egypt...


You mean to tell me that something religious people would say isn't true? No freakin way!!!!
 
2012-11-15 03:27:48 PM

Gwendolyn: Not if they have to take it from someone else.


But they didn't. The land Israel was granted was taken by the British. It was ceded to Israel so that Britain and the USA could avoid taking in so many Jewish refugees.

I feel both sides deserve both blame and sympathy. Neither state has exactly conducted itself according to Ghandian principles. Both populations were put between a rock and hard place by more powerful forces. I don't think the average person wants war. I have come to suspect that, though an international issue, war and this war in particular, is still another issue that can be accurately laid at the feet of the one percent. There are rare individuals who benefit and are enriched by these conflicts while the common people suffer.
 
2012-11-15 03:28:07 PM
The pyramids we're constructed a good thousand years before any El worshipers wandered into the Nile delta
 
2012-11-15 03:30:30 PM

Psycat: SSDD*

*Same shiat, different decade...

I'm kinda biased towards Israel because they're the only real secular democracy in the area, but I definitely don't have anything personal against Palestinians, either. On the OTOH, both sides should shoot a missile at Tatsuma's mother's basement because that dude has a Troll Annoyance Factor of 3.5 Bevets. What's with the Japanese name, BTW?

No, this is just the same tiresome crappola that's been going on since long before 1947 and it's getting tiresome. I was rooting for Yitzhak Rabin to finally achieve lasting peace until some right-wing fanatic assassinated Rabin and farked things up completely. Right now, I've kinda given up on any permanent peace in the Mideast and my main concern is that this doesn't go nuclear.

We've somehow managed to go the last 67 years without using nukes against people in spite of several close calls. Inevitably, nukes are going to be used somewhere, and right now the most likely spot is in the Mideast. More likely, it would come from this rocket event progressing to a land war, especially if Iran or Egypt get involved, and Israel retaliating by using one of its nukes on Tehran or Cairo. If America and Russia stay out and this doesn't escalate into nuclear Armageddon right away, I can imagine the backlash. Look how horrified the world was when under 3,000 people died on 9-11; imagine how much worse it would be if half a million civilians get fried.

I'm just glad I'm not in that benighted part of the world right now...*sigh*


spot on, and well-said.
 
2012-11-15 03:31:07 PM

Red_Fox: Raharu: theresnothinglft: hdhale: Hetfield: Tatsuma: That's actually a complete myth. There were never Jewish slaves in Egypt...

You mean to tell me that something religious people would say isn't true? No freakin way!!!!


Way.
 
2012-11-15 03:32:55 PM

R.A.Danny: corronchilejano: R.A.Danny: corronchilejano: netcentric: Link

good recovery

Yeah... hope this girl (NSFW nor soul) gets one too.

You mean the one they threw into the fire so they could blame Israel?

Citation Needed.

Pallywood has made that unnecessary.


Oh, so if a strong supporter of palestinians makes a video questioning Israels' existance, then It makes any further questioning unnecesary?

Please, citation needed. A documentary with no proof on the supposed inside job of palestinians against their own does not stand on its own.
 
2012-11-15 03:33:32 PM

Tommy Moo: 1) Everything is quiet for a long time
2) Israel assassinates the head of the Palestinian military, killing civvies, including a child, in the process
3) Hamas fires two rockets at Israel
4) OMFG PALESTINIAN AGGRESSION!!! ALL GLORY TO ZION LET US ANNIHILATE OUR FOES WITH A LEGITIMATE RETALIATORY DEFENSIVE INVASION!!!


Didn't you know? Israel is infallible and Palestinians are sub-human dogs. They are so worthless they don't even have a legitimate country.

/man, fark Israel.
 
2012-11-15 03:36:03 PM
I've always wondered how much U.S. politicians would give a shiat for Israel if they weren't paid to care. Lobby money speaks.
 
2012-11-15 03:36:31 PM

Raharu: Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers.

That is pretty much what the article I linked to said as well.


the bible says zilch about pyramids, it says they built storehouses

Also, the first person mentioned in the bible that is mentioned in other contemporary sources is King David
 
2012-11-15 03:37:13 PM

stir22: spot on, and well-said.


Thanks, stir!
 
2012-11-15 03:37:40 PM

cameroncrazy1984: TrollingForColumbine: RevMark: cameroncrazy1984: evoke: Regardless, building houses people can live in is something benevolent. It's to improve peoples lives

How is bulldozing homes "benevolent"?

If it's not occupied by Jooz then they're just squatters on land granted by God to the Jooz. Didn't you know... they're the Chosen People. The rest of us are just animals. They even have a word in their language just for the rest of us unwashed masses. No... that's not culturally imbedded bigotry at all.
troll or not fark off

Oooh, Tu quoque! That never happens here.


Said the pot in the glass house
 
2012-11-15 03:41:30 PM

zedster: Raharu: Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers.

That is pretty much what the article I linked to said as well.

the bible says zilch about pyramids, it says they built storehouses

Also, the first person mentioned in the bible that is mentioned in other contemporary sources is King David


I don't think he is going to reply to us. He know he will loose. I will farkie him as "Denies Jews Were Slaves in Egypt".
 
2012-11-15 03:41:58 PM
Patraeus?
This morning HLN spent five minutes covering Bieber on his breakup and his new ferrari.
They did show the cool video of the Hamas dudes car getting blown up a few times. But other than that, nothing much.
 
2012-11-15 03:42:17 PM
Actually the timing of this little escapade is VERY convenient for Netanyahu and the Likudniks.

It seems he was receiving some VERY bad press at home because he had been working his ASS off on collaboration with certain diaspora Zionists to have Obama tossed out of the White House and replaced by the willing Mormon golem.

Of course Obama knew well what the Zionist plotters were up to, and THAT, friends, is why he SNUBBED Bibi on his recent visit to the US.

The bad news is that Obama won - the hated Schwarze was back in the White House, and rumors were swirling around Israel that Bibi had gambled big, and failed. It was being said that Netanyahu and the Likudniks have spoiled any chance of good relations with the Obama administration.

With Bibi's own election coming up in a few months, things were looking pretty grim for Yoohoo and the Hardliners.

What to do? Well, there's nothing like a little military action to shake and wake the patriotism, cohesiveness,and ethnocentrism amonst the masses, and to remind them that they NEED hard-core asshats like BibiCo, schwarze or no schwarze.

Scare the shiat out of the Jews - kill off a few Pallies, come off looking like a hero... just what the doctor ordered.
 
2012-11-15 03:44:30 PM

Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers ALIENS!!!!.

 
2012-11-15 03:44:52 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Lived, but didn't own.

If a landlord evicts everybody of one ethnicity to make room for tenants of another ethnicity, he or she is a racist.

When all the landlords in a region does this, it's ethnic cleansing.


Even if they're the same ethnicity?
 
2012-11-15 03:46:16 PM
Go bananas guys. Just keep that shiat contained.
 
2012-11-15 03:46:20 PM

Raharu: Red_Fox: Raharu: theresnothinglft: hdhale: Hetfield: Tatsuma: That's actually a complete myth. There were never Jewish slaves in Egypt...

You mean to tell me that something religious people would say isn't true? No freakin way!!!!

Way.


And other people lie about other peoples religions. and Raharu you are a liar.
 
2012-11-15 03:48:37 PM

BEER STEAK: Alright, this is ridiculous. Who would want to live in a country that has been at war since its inception. Clearly the Israel experiment is not working. No one wants them there.

This is what I propose. Israel saves up all its money, all of its international aid, and finds a new place on Earth to call home. It can sell its current land to an Arab country, then use those proceeds to buy its new plot of land. They don't need a ton of space, Israel is about the size of New Jersey. Maybe Greece or Spain will want to sell them 10,000 square miles. The Israeli people will finally have peace. The United States can spend a little more upfront but then we don't have to finance a huge defense program for Israel for the rest of...forever. The Israelis are an enterprising people, a major influx of productive workers would be great for Greece or Spain's economy.

Or hell, let's sell them part of Arizona, the climate is about the same and they're our best friends already anyway.

I mean, if all of your neighbors hated you and did horrible things like murder members of your family, you'd move, right? Israel is rich and now is probably a great time to buy.

I mean, if all of your neighbors hated you and did horrible things like murder members of your family, you'd move, right?


I'm liking this Idea but I'm thinking give them a long skinny country right along the border to Mexico, they can be a buffer state for use, everyone wins.
 
2012-11-15 03:49:06 PM
Wow, hated on for pointing out a common misconception about the pyramids and not saying anything bad about Israel what so ever, even pointing out that Israel has this whole matter well in hand.
 
2012-11-15 03:49:11 PM

Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers ALIENS.



Fixified.
 
2012-11-15 03:50:10 PM

Pair-o-Dice: Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers ALIENS!!!!.



BIATCH!


That's what I get for reading up-thread.
 
2012-11-15 03:50:22 PM

corronchilejano: netcentric: Link

good recovery

Yeah... hope this girl (NSFW nor soul) gets one too.



Whoa.

I've never seen Arabs use dead bodies to fake news items before. Do you have any others? Somebody better tell the UN.
 
2012-11-15 03:51:48 PM

OgreMagi: From Tommy Moo's portfolio.

[mollypiper.com image 361x253]


Is that Magnum, or Blue Steel? Sometimes I get his looks confused.
 
2012-11-15 03:52:34 PM

Lunaville: Gwendolyn: Not if they have to take it from someone else.

But they didn't. The land Israel was granted was taken by the British. It was ceded to Israel so that Britain and the USA could avoid taking in so many Jewish refugees.

I feel both sides deserve both blame and sympathy. Neither state has exactly conducted itself according to Ghandian principles. Both populations were put between a rock and hard place by more powerful forces. I don't think the average person wants war. I have come to suspect that, though an international issue, war and this war in particular, is still another issue that can be accurately laid at the feet of the one percent. There are rare individuals who benefit and are enriched by these conflicts while the common people suffer.


I know there was like 10 people being quoted in that post, but I didn't say that part.
 
2012-11-15 03:53:08 PM

Amos Quito: Joe Blowme: Amos Quito: Lehk: With claims that Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people, defence officials said Israel was prepared to launch a ground invasion into Gaza if necessary.


So far, at least 15 people, including Mr Jaabari, have been killed in more than 50 Israeli airstrikes - codenamed Operation Pillar Of Defence. Two young children were also among the dead.

Izzy has not reached their ordinary quota of 1 Israeli worth 10 'rabs one being a child yet, they will continue airstrikes until at least 1 more child and 14 adults are killed


Spot on.

Wow, dhimmi or full blown member of the death cult? Or maybe just a tard living in moms basement.


All you have to do is count the casualties.


And hope israel has a 1000 to 1 advantage
 
2012-11-15 03:54:29 PM

Amos Quito: Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers ALIENS.


Fixified.


The Goa'uld actually, as landing pads for their pyramid ships.
 
2012-11-15 03:55:51 PM

Amos Quito: Actually the timing of this little escapade is VERY convenient for Netanyahu and the Likudniks.

It seems he was receiving some VERY bad press at home because he had been working his ASS off on collaboration with certain diaspora Zionists to have Obama tossed out of the White House and replaced by the willing Mormon golem.

Of course Obama knew well what the Zionist plotters were up to, and THAT, friends, is why he SNUBBED Bibi on his recent visit to the US.

The bad news is that Obama won - the hated Schwarze was back in the White House, and rumors were swirling around Israel that Bibi had gambled big, and failed. It was being said that Netanyahu and the Likudniks have spoiled any chance of good relations with the Obama administration.

With Bibi's own election coming up in a few months, things were looking pretty grim for Yoohoo and the Hardliners.

What to do? Well, there's nothing like a little military action to shake and wake the patriotism, cohesiveness,and ethnocentrism amonst the masses, and to remind them that they NEED hard-core asshats like BibiCo, schwarze or no schwarze.

Scare the shiat out of the Jews - kill off a few Pallies, come off looking like a hero... just what the doctor ordered.


Wow. Schwarze? Bibi and Yoohoo? Gonna need to dial back the slang from an 11 to about a 4 if you want people to understand what you're trying to say.
 
2012-11-15 03:55:51 PM

TrollingForColumbine: zedster: Raharu: Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers.

That is pretty much what the article I linked to said as well.

the bible says zilch about pyramids, it says they built storehouses

Also, the first person mentioned in the bible that is mentioned in other contemporary sources is King David

I don't think he is going to reply to us. He know he will loose. I will farkie him as "Denies Jews Were Slaves in Egypt".


But who are you going to believe?

gatesthecomic.com
 
2012-11-15 03:56:43 PM

Gleeman: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Gleeman: namatad: (why do people pick a certain year and the complain when others dont like what year they pick?)

Pick a year, any year:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Muslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- . 

Looks like the Israelis/Jews were first.

As we all know, the planet didn't exist prior to 1350 BC. Or, more realistically, such arguments suck.

that's_the_point.jpg

True. I'm usually in the 'Can't we all just get along' camp, but at this point there is so much bad blood on both sides it's probably best to have the rest of the world turn their backs for 7 days and see who's left standing in the rubble.


Well to be fair, if the old testament is to believed the inhabitants before 1350 BC aren't kicking around on the planet any more...
 
2012-11-15 03:56:49 PM

Hetfield: Tatsuma: A rocket fell again in Bat Yam a few minutes ago again

Hopefully G-d will protect them

History has shown that when it comes to protection, God always sides with the Jews.

Pray on.


God sure took his sweet time during WWII or where all the dead what god was taking in payment?
 
2012-11-15 03:57:17 PM

TrollingForColumbine: Are you say that jews were never slaves in egypt or that they were not slaves during the building of the pyramids?


What a Jew who built a pyramid might look like.
 
2012-11-15 03:58:37 PM

Amos Quito: TrollingForColumbine: Are you say that jews were never slaves in egypt or that they were not slaves during the building of the pyramids?


What a Jew who built a pyramid might look like.


assets.nydailynews.com


Preview.
 
2012-11-15 04:00:53 PM

evoke: Hamas has committed a double war crime by deliberately launching rockets at civilian targets, while at the same time hiding among civilians. Israel is defending itself and its population.


er ... you do know that Israel began attacking the Gaza Strip YESTERDAY, right?
 
2012-11-15 04:01:53 PM

Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers.


Hey I need somebody to build me a house, I'm going to pay you 5 cents a day and you can't leave or quit. However you're totally not a slave because I'm paying you.
 
2012-11-15 04:02:58 PM

StashMonster: evoke: Hamas has committed a double war crime by deliberately launching rockets at civilian targets, while at the same time hiding among civilians. Israel is defending itself and its population.

er ... you do know that Israel began attacking the Gaza Strip YESTERDAY, right?


You do know Hamas started launching missles into Isreal 3 days before that right?
 
2012-11-15 04:02:58 PM

Vodka Zombie: I want to care, but I just seem to have reached a saturation with that part of the world. They've been killing each other for so long, and nothing is going to change that.


They could have at least waited until this season of Hardcore Pawn had finished. I know it had a mid-season teaser, but it was clearly labeled as such in the synopsis. I'm with you!
 
2012-11-15 04:03:33 PM
I'm wondering if 'double war crime' will become a 'thing'.
Can't wait for a triple.
In Canada it'd be a double-double war crime.
 
2012-11-15 04:04:16 PM

Quick Fixer: Wow. Schwarze? Bibi and Yoohoo? Gonna need to dial back the slang from an 11 to about a 4 if you want people to understand what you're trying to say.


Most German-Americans, even those who don't know German, pretty much know what "Schwartz" or its Yiddish counterpart mean. Bibi and Yoohoo are obviously Netanyahu. Amirite?
 
2012-11-15 04:04:52 PM
If the crazy shiates (Palestine, Iran Iraq) were not fighting Israelis, they would be fighting the Sunnis.
 
2012-11-15 04:05:46 PM

BgJonson79: Even if they're the same ethnicity?


Arabs and ashkenazim are not of the same ethnicity.
 
2012-11-15 04:07:34 PM

TrollingForColumbine: zedster: Raharu: Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers.

That is pretty much what the article I linked to said as well.

the bible says zilch about pyramids, it says they built storehouses

Also, the first person mentioned in the bible that is mentioned in other contemporary sources is King David

I don't think he is going to reply to us. He know he will loose. I will farkie him as "Denies Jews Were Slaves in Egypt".


There's no physical evidence for it, nor are there actual historical records. The Bible is not a history book.
 
2012-11-15 04:09:09 PM

ZzeusS: I've never seen Arabs use dead bodies to fake news items before. Do you have any others? Somebody better tell the UN.


... aaaand I'm done here.
 
2012-11-15 04:10:11 PM

Quick Fixer: Amos Quito: Actually the timing of this little escapade is VERY convenient for Netanyahu and the Likudniks.

It seems he was receiving some VERY bad press at home because he had been working his ASS off on collaboration with certain diaspora Zionists to have Obama tossed out of the White House and replaced by the willing Mormon golem.

Of course Obama knew well what the Zionist plotters were up to, and THAT, friends, is why he SNUBBED Bibi on his recent visit to the US.

The bad news is that Obama won - the hated Schwarze was back in the White House, and rumors were swirling around Israel that Bibi had gambled big, and failed. It was being said that Netanyahu and the Likudniks have spoiled any chance of good relations with the Obama administration.

With Bibi's own election coming up in a few months, things were looking pretty grim for Yoohoo and the Hardliners.

What to do? Well, there's nothing like a little military action to shake and wake the patriotism, cohesiveness,and ethnocentrism amonst the masses, and to remind them that they NEED hard-core asshats like BibiCo, schwarze or no schwarze.

Scare the shiat out of the Jews - kill off a few Pallies, come off looking like a hero... just what the doctor ordered.

Wow. Schwarze? Bibi and Yoohoo? Gonna need to dial back the slang from an 11 to about a 4 if you want people to understand what you're trying to say.



Schwarze: Yiddish word for "black person" (usually (but not always) offensive - see Blazing Saddles)
Bibi: Commonly used nickname for Benjamin Netanyahu.
Yoohoo: Not-so-commonly used nickname for Benjamin Netanyahu.

Also: SEE BLAZING SADDLES!
 
2012-11-15 04:11:29 PM

Psycat: Quick Fixer: Wow. Schwarze? Bibi and Yoohoo? Gonna need to dial back the slang from an 11 to about a 4 if you want people to understand what you're trying to say.

Most German-Americans, even those who don't know German, pretty much know what "Schwartz" or its Yiddish counterpart mean. Bibi and Yoohoo are obviously Netanyahu. Amirite?


Ah, and 'Schwarze' capitalized and in the noun position of the subject of the sentence... Now I got it. Wow, that's pretty ham-fisted.

As is switching between Bibi and Yoohoo mid-rant. If you have a pet name for the guy, just pick one. Reading this thing was like trying to make tea by chewing up some leaves and pouring hot water into my mouth.
 
2012-11-15 04:12:56 PM

optimus_grime: this just in: violent organisms compete for territory.

5 billion year old news.

feel free to attach your specific ideological significance.


If they were fighting over resources, or valuable land, I'd be a little more understanding. However, they are fighting over a barren patch of the desert that is one of the few places in the middle east without any valuable oil reserves. I'd check any God that promised that land to me for a Trollface.
 
2012-11-15 04:13:07 PM

Altourus: StashMonster: evoke: Hamas has committed a double war crime by deliberately launching rockets at civilian targets, while at the same time hiding among civilians. Israel is defending itself and its population.

er ... you do know that Israel began attacking the Gaza Strip YESTERDAY, right?

You do know Hamas started launching missles into Isreal 3 days before that right?


Yup. Following an Israeli tank shelling and killing 4 Palestinian civilians. Which was in retaliation to a grenade attack on an Israeli jeep.

All this has happened before...
 
2012-11-15 04:13:28 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Even if they're the same ethnicity?

Arabs and ashkenazim are not of the same ethnicity.



And in Israel, the Ashkenazim make damn sure that the Sephardi know it.
 
2012-11-15 04:15:48 PM

Amos Quito: Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Even if they're the same ethnicity?

Arabs and ashkenazim are not of the same ethnicity.


And in Israel, the Ashkenazim make damn sure that the Sephardi know it.


Not so much anymore. now they all make fun of the Russians and the Ethiopians
 
2012-11-15 04:16:15 PM

GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


That picture is pure propaganda. I see no tears on anyone. and no blood.
 
2012-11-15 04:19:56 PM

OgreMagi: Raharu: It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

That's because they weren't considered Jews until after Moses marched them around the desert for a generation.



I'm still baffled that after 40 years of hanging out in a desert, (arguably one of the shiattiest types of places on the planet) they gave up and decided to just stay in a desert from then on.

If I was given 40 years to walk anywhere I wanted I could probably choose just about any place in Africa, Europe or Asia. There are some seriously lush, fertile, wonderfully beautiful places in all of those continents. But Moses said "Eff it, a desert is good enough for me." What a dumbass.
 
2012-11-15 04:20:23 PM

swangoatman: GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


That picture is pure propaganda. I see no tears on anyone. and no blood.



Oh for lack of fake blood, the Palestinians would have had a great PR coup.  Sadly, this event occurred after the stocks of fake blood were sold out due to the American Devil's Halloween celebrations.
 
2012-11-15 04:22:16 PM

Tommy Moo: 1) Everything is quiet for a long time
2) Israel assassinates the head of the Palestinian military, killing civvies, including a child, in the process
3) Hamas fires two rockets at Israel
4) OMFG PALESTINIAN AGGRESSION!!! ALL GLORY TO ZION LET US ANNIHILATE OUR FOES WITH A LEGITIMATE RETALIATORY DEFENSIVE INVASION!!!


Did you sleep through the past week? And then choose not to read any articles on the matter? And then decide to post your fantasy-take on what might be happening in a parallel universe?

The Arabs started these rocket attacks a week ago and as a result the Jews have been firing back. Nothing about that is in dispute, dipshiate.
 
2012-11-15 04:22:19 PM

Psycat: Most German-Americans, even those who don't know German, pretty much know what "Schwartz" or its Yiddish counterpart mean.


kosherspaghetti.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-15 04:25:34 PM
right now Patraeus is probably masturbating to the Virgin Killer album
 
2012-11-15 04:26:51 PM

TrollingForColumbine: Are you say that jews were never slaves in egypt or that they were not slaves during the building of the pyramids?


They pyramids are from the fourth dynasty of the Old Kingdom, about 2500 BC. That's pretty old. My understanding of Judaism is that it began sometime in the 1st millennium BC. ...so just by the dates, the Jews could not have built the pyramids -- by a gap of about 1500 years.
 
2012-11-15 04:27:08 PM

Amos Quito: Amos Quito: TrollingForColumbine: Are you say that jews were never slaves in egypt or that they were not slaves during the building of the pyramids?


What a Jew who built a pyramid might look like.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 240x256]


Preview.


Okay, that's actually pretty funny.
 
2012-11-15 04:27:41 PM

Lunaville: Gwendolyn: Not if they have to take it from someone else.

But they didn't. The land Israel was granted was taken by the British. It was ceded to Israel so that Britain and the USA could avoid taking in so many Jewish refugees.

I feel both sides deserve both blame and sympathy. Neither state has exactly conducted itself according to Ghandian principles. Both populations were put between a rock and hard place by more powerful forces. I don't think the average person wants war. I have come to suspect that, though an international issue, war and this war in particular, is still another issue that can be accurately laid at the feet of the one percent. There are rare individuals who benefit and are enriched by these conflicts while the common people suffer.


I don't think it's the arms dealers who provoke this (although they likely do make a killing).

It's the fact that both the Jews' God and the Muslims' God are bloodthirsty pig-farking bastards.
 
2012-11-15 04:27:44 PM

TrollingForColumbine: Not so much anymore. now they all make fun of the Russians and the Ethiopians


Ashkenazim are semites as well, and the only people who deny that are the khazar retards.
 
2012-11-15 04:29:11 PM
Link

fake arab crap
 
2012-11-15 04:29:12 PM

GAT_00: topcon: Israel should just totally ignore this and not fight back. 

Totally.

Israel brought the rockets on themselves by telling Palestinians over and over again that they will not negotiate in good faith or make any meaningful concession. They forced a war, because they wanted a war. Much easier to justify wholesale acquisition of land by war than by moving settlers illegally on it.


Pulling out of Gaza, which required using force on their own people, was a meaningful concession. They were rewarded by a shower of rockets.

Pretty farked up view point to say the country whose civilians have been showered with rockets are the ones who "forced" a war.
 
2012-11-15 04:31:07 PM

Raharu: Amos Quito: Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers ALIENS.


Fixified.

The Goa'uld actually, as landing pads for their pyramid ships.


The Goa'uld never lifted a damn finger. It was their Jaffa who did all the work.
 
2012-11-15 04:31:47 PM

Amos Quito: Schwarze: Yiddish word for "black person" (usually (but not always) offensive - see Blazing Saddles)
Bibi: Commonly used nickname for Benjamin Netanyahu.
Yoohoo: Not-so-commonly used nickname for Benjamin Netanyahu.

Also: SEE BLAZING SADDLES!


Indian Chief: Hus du gezen in deine leiben, they darker than us. Woof!
Nein, nein, seid nicht meschugge!
 
2012-11-15 04:35:29 PM

Leeds: Raharu: Amos Quito: Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers ALIENS.


Fixified.

The Goa'uld actually, as landing pads for their pyramid ships.

The Goa'uld never lifted a damn finger. It was their Jaffa who did all the work.


Actually it was the slave/subjects who did the bulk of the work with Jaffa guards and Lesser Goa'uld overseers.
 
2012-11-15 04:35:45 PM
I'm surprised the pro-Israel machine is better oiled than the pro-GOP one here at fark.
 
2012-11-15 04:37:49 PM
every day...the world wakes up further and realizes that zionism is a disease.
 
2012-11-15 04:37:51 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: TrollingForColumbine: zedster: Raharu: Gordon Bennett: Raharu: Did Jewish Slaves Build the Pyramids?It's a popular story, but all the documentary and historical evidence tells us that no Jews were in Egypt at the time of the pyramids. -

The Pyramids were built by paid workers.

That is pretty much what the article I linked to said as well.

the bible says zilch about pyramids, it says they built storehouses

Also, the first person mentioned in the bible that is mentioned in other contemporary sources is King David

I don't think he is going to reply to us. He know he will loose. I will farkie him as "Denies Jews Were Slaves in Egypt".

There's no physical evidence for it, nor are there actual historical records. The Bible is not a history book.


And the is no evidence they weren't. As for being meticulous record keepers, the egytians like most societies kept records that show them in a good light. letting 600K slaves escape because a man turned a stick into a snake and had god kill the first born is not a good story for them. Bad optics. Also the records overall are fragmented and random. Ramses the second is a famous pharaoh yet we know very little about him.

The bible is not a history book, but many events in the bible have some historical evidence to support them. Har Megido (Armageddon) is an actual place. One possible site for sodom&gomora has been found to have been consumed by fire. The temple on the mount I&II actually existed. So to completely discount the bible is also short sighted. Though the circumstances of their time in egypt may be debated. Historian tend to write their side in a positive light. The fact that Hebrews existed in egypt is commonly accepted.
 
2012-11-15 04:38:15 PM

jshine: [kosherspaghetti.files.wordpress.com image 400x350]


I hope this isn't an attempt to accuse me of being an anti-Semitic troll. None of the three Jewish women I've dated in the past would think that way.

No, anybody who lives in the Midwest probably knows somebody named Schwartz. Hell, Tony Curtis' real name is Bernie Schwartz. Anybody who ever looked through a Swiss Colony catalog knows what a schwartzwald torte is. Hell, anybody who ever saw Mel Brooks' Spaceballs ("May the Schwartz be with you!") probably looked up "schwartz" in a German-English dictionary. I just think it's silly that somebody thinks they're insider hipsters just because they know a few Yiddish words.

/carry on with your bickering, folks
 
2012-11-15 04:38:52 PM
We need to stay out of this and let these people kill each other in peace.
 
2012-11-15 04:40:00 PM

jshine: TrollingForColumbine: Are you say that jews were never slaves in egypt or that they were not slaves during the building of the pyramids?

They pyramids are from the fourth dynasty of the Old Kingdom, about 2500 BC. That's pretty old. My understanding of Judaism is that it began sometime in the 1st millennium BC. ...so just by the dates, the Jews could not have built the pyramids -- by a gap of about 1500 years.


my point exactly. and they do not claim to have build them.
 
2012-11-15 04:41:04 PM

GungFu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x560]

Agony of a grief-stricken father: BBC journalist cradles his dead baby son in his arms after Israeli rocket attack on Gaza.


Brilliant. Here were go again. My made up god is better than your made up god.


It is a tragedy that stuff like this happens, but it is Hamas that turns civilian places in legit military targets by launching rockets from those places.

Also are you familiar with the boy who cried wolf story?


http://www.zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/ -pay attention to the second one.

Faking things like this isn't uncommon there.
 
2012-11-15 04:42:38 PM

Psycat: jshine: [kosherspaghetti.files.wordpress.com image 400x350]

I hope this isn't an attempt to accuse me of being an anti-Semitic troll. None of the three Jewish women I've dated in the past would think that way.



It's a Spaceballs ref. ("May the Schwartz be with you."); sorry, but I've got no idea what you're on about.

/I do know what the word really means though -- I'm from the upper Midwest and took 4 years of German in HS & college
 
2012-11-15 04:43:08 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

boycott this disease

 
2012-11-15 04:43:11 PM

Joe Blowme: Amos Quito: Joe Blowme: Amos Quito: Lehk: With claims that Palestinian militants fired nearly 150 rockets on Thursday, killing three people, defence officials said Israel was prepared to launch a ground invasion into Gaza if necessary.


So far, at least 15 people, including Mr Jaabari, have been killed in more than 50 Israeli airstrikes - codenamed Operation Pillar Of Defence. Two young children were also among the dead.

Izzy has not reached their ordinary quota of 1 Israeli worth 10 'rabs one being a child yet, they will continue airstrikes until at least 1 more child and 14 adults are killed


Spot on.

Wow, dhimmi or full blown member of the death cult? Or maybe just a tard living in moms basement.


All you have to do is count the casualties.

And hope israel has a 1000 to 1 advantage



Actually he said it was 10 to 1. Pay attention, lad.


OPERATION CAST LEAD:

"The conflict resulted in between 1,166 and 1,417 Palestinian and 13 Israeli deaths (4 from friendly fire)."

That's about 100 to 1, so I'd say we were being conservative, no?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And speaking of names, this new war - "Operation Pillar Of Defense" is pretty good. Sounds warm, cozy, righteous, justified and honorable, doesn't it?

Compare that to "Operation Cast Lead". Boy, now that was a stinker. I'll bet the idiot who came up with that name TOTALLY got fired.
 
2012-11-15 04:44:30 PM

Bauer: every day...the world wakes up further and realizes that zionism is a disease.


So what's your "cure"?
 
2012-11-15 04:48:30 PM

give me doughnuts: Amos Quito: Schwarze: Yiddish word for "black person" (usually (but not always) offensive - see Blazing Saddles)
Bibi: Commonly used nickname for Benjamin Netanyahu.
Yoohoo: Not-so-commonly used nickname for Benjamin Netanyahu.

Also: SEE BLAZING SADDLES!

Indian Chief: Hus du gezen in deine leiben, they darker than us. Woof!
Nein, nein, seid nicht meschugge!


The sheriff is near!!
 
2012-11-15 04:48:38 PM

DarnoKonrad: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: JPSimonetti: Tatsuma: Since Wednesday morning, 274 rockets were fired and 105 intercepted by the Iron Dome system.

Can you imagine how the US would respond if, say, Mexico did this to Texas?

Can you imagine what Mexico would do if the US funded religious wackjobs to build compounds within Mexican borders, and violently defended them?


Or that if the United States had been occupying Mexico for the last 50 years.


You do realize we annexed a lot of land from Mexico right?


Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Who did they take the land from? Hint: Palestinians lived there, but owned very little. Why do you think so few have deeds?

Let me rephrase the question:

upload.wikimedia.org

How does one create a jewish homeland in an area where more than 90% of the population is arab? Before you start, I don't give a crap about deeds and ownership. It's just not relevant.


Because you don't like to care about facts that are inconvenient to your BS.

You also don't care about the large swaths that were empty.

You want to arbitrarily define an area, pretend that only the pockets that are filled with jews are jewish, and that all the empty land must be owned by the other group (regardless of who owns it).
 
2012-11-15 04:48:47 PM

badaboom: So what's your "cure"?


1. Invade Israel and the Gaza Strip.
2. Rename Israel "Generic Multireligious Country".
3. Mix people around.
4. ???
5. Profit?

... ok, so that's pretty stupid, but I honestly think this shiat needs to stop one way or another.
 
2012-11-15 04:49:59 PM

give me doughnuts: Amos Quito: Schwarze: Yiddish word for "black person" (usually (but not always) offensive - see Blazing Saddles)
Bibi: Commonly used nickname for Benjamin Netanyahu.
Yoohoo: Not-so-commonly used nickname for Benjamin Netanyahu.

Also: SEE BLAZING SADDLES!

Indian Chief: Hus du gezen in deine leiben, they darker than us. Woof!
Nein, nein, seid nicht meschugge!



OMG!

Did I mix my Melaphors?
 
2012-11-15 04:50:04 PM

jshine: It's a Spaceballs ref. ("May the Schwartz be with you."); sorry, but I've got no idea what you're on about.

/I do know what the word really means though -- I'm from the upper Midwest and took 4 years of German in HS & college


Sorry, my misunderstanding. I forgot that that character was in Spaceballs as the Yoda look-alike and thought he was supposed to be a troll or something.

I suffered through 3 years of high-school German myself and only remember one thing: "Aus, ausser, bei, mit, nach, zeit, von, zu; bis, durch, fuer, gegen, ohne, um, wieder" My teacher said that we'd never forget those, and she's right...
 
2012-11-15 04:50:59 PM
There's a real simple, mature way to sort this thing out.

Flip a coin. Heads the Palistinians stay and the Jews get deported to Florida. Tails Isreal stays and the Palistinians get Florida.
 
2012-11-15 04:52:03 PM

Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Lived, but didn't own.

If a landlord evicts everybody of one ethnicity to make room for tenants of another ethnicity, he or she is a racist.

When all the landlords in a region does this, it's ethnic cleansing.



What is racist is to say that jews can't own land some where because they are jews, and that jews can't have a voice in how a govt should be formed in a place they live where they own the land.
 
2012-11-15 04:52:08 PM

Tatsuma: TrollingForColumbine: Not so much anymore. now they all make fun of the Russians and the Ethiopians

Ashkenazim are semites as well, and the only people who deny that are the khazar retards.



Hey, we all came out of Africa if you go back in time far enough,

Right Tats?
 
2012-11-15 04:52:57 PM

illogic: There's a real simple, mature way to sort this thing out.

Flip a coin. Heads the Palistinians stay and the Jews get deported to Florida. Tails Isreal stays and the Palistinians get Florida.


Both groups are sand people. They would have no idea what to do if we shipped them to a swamp.
 
2012-11-15 04:53:21 PM
Israel will soon be pounding the Gaza strip
api.ning.com
 
2012-11-15 04:54:10 PM

Amos Quito: Actually the timing of this little escapade is VERY convenient for Netanyahu and the Likudniks


So you think the jews were behind the rockets coming from Gaza like you think they are behind the holocaust?
 
2012-11-15 04:55:57 PM

liam76: Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Lived, but didn't own.

If a landlord evicts everybody of one ethnicity to make room for tenants of another ethnicity, he or she is a racist.

When all the landlords in a region does this, it's ethnic cleansing.


What is racist is to say that jews can't own land some where because they are jews, and that jews can't have a voice in how a govt should be formed in a place they live where they own the land.



Hi LIAM!
 
2012-11-15 04:56:23 PM

badaboom: Bauer: every day...the world wakes up further and realizes that zionism is a disease.

So what's your "cure"?


liberty for all.

it will happen, eventually.
-people crave justice.

in the court of public opinion, worldwide, the zionists are a pariah.
their time is almost up.
there will be economic repercussions...and that will be something the "united states" will not be able to veto, at the un.

personally?
i would tear it all down.
without justice...there will be no peace.
if there is a mandate for a two state solution...there will need to be a restructuring of the land.
connect gaza and the west bank...and work it out.
-there will never be a two state solution with the way things are laid out now.
it's geographically impossible.

redistrict...isolate...and move on.
 
2012-11-15 04:56:32 PM

Kryler: Israel will soon be pounding the Gaza strip
[api.ning.com image 400x359]


Pounding Ham-Ass in the Gaza Strip?
 
2012-11-15 04:56:50 PM

liam76: Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Lived, but didn't own.

If a landlord evicts everybody of one ethnicity to make room for tenants of another ethnicity, he or she is a racist.

When all the landlords in a region does this, it's ethnic cleansing.


What is racist is to say that jews can't own land some where because they are jews, and that jews can't have a voice in how a govt should be formed in a place they live where they own the land.


and the converse of that is also true.

The situation isn't easily solved, but Hamas shouldn't be firing rockets into Tel Aviv or the other towns.
 
2012-11-15 04:57:15 PM

Bauer: every day...the world wakes up further and realizes that zionism is a disease.


Why don't you build your space ship and leave this "diseased" world then?
 
2012-11-15 04:57:59 PM

liam76: Amos Quito: Actually the timing of this little escapade is VERY convenient for Netanyahu and the Likudniks

So you think the jews were behind the rockets coming from Gaza like you think they are behind the holocaust?



I think you're going to be a lying Hazbarat troll in this thread... just like in every other thread, liar76.
 
2012-11-15 04:58:11 PM

Leeds: Kryler: Israel will soon be pounding the Gaza strip
[api.ning.com image 400x359]

Pounding Ham-Ass in the Gaza Stripper?

 
2012-11-15 04:59:12 PM

liam76: Bauer: every day...the world wakes up further and realizes that zionism is a disease.

Why don't you build your space ship and leave this "diseased" world then?


nice.
 
2012-11-15 04:59:41 PM

illogic: There's a real simple, mature way to sort this thing out.

Flip a coin. Heads the Palistinians stay and the Jews get deported to Florida. Tails Isreal stays and the Palistinians get Florida.


How about settling the dispute via chess boxing? I think it would be a lot more exciting than regular chess, although I'd bet that the endgames are a bit sloppy...
 
2012-11-15 05:02:02 PM
Why the fark aren't any news channels covering this
 
2012-11-15 05:02:13 PM

Bauer: liam76: Bauer: every day...the world wakes up further and realizes that zionism is a disease.

Why don't you build your space ship and leave this "diseased" world then?

nice.


so you are admitting that zionism rules the whole planet?

lol
 
2012-11-15 05:02:39 PM

liam76: You do realize we annexed a lot of land from Mexico right?



Based on much of what I'm seeing, I'm sure that quite a few people in here are proud supporters of the Reconquista. After all, the U.S. stole most of the Southwest through war and intimidation.
 
2012-11-15 05:03:12 PM

dr_blasto: liam76: Uncle Tractor: BgJonson79: Lived, but didn't own.

If a landlord evicts everybody of one ethnicity to make room for tenants of another ethnicity, he or she is a racist.

When all the landlords in a region does this, it's ethnic cleansing.


What is racist is to say that jews can't own land some where because they are jews, and that jews can't have a voice in how a govt should be formed in a place they live where they own the land.

and the converse of that is also true.


Arabs can own land in Israel and have a vote int he govt.


Tractor's argument against the existence of Israel rests on either jews not being allowed to own land there and allow other to move there, and/or them not having a voice in the govt when the British pulled out.
 
2012-11-15 05:03:47 PM

Sargun: Why the fark aren't any news channels covering this


because according to some people...zionists rule the world...and that includes the media.

ask liam.
 
2012-11-15 05:04:09 PM

Sargun: Why the fark aren't any news channels covering this


Thank jesus fark for CNNI
 
2012-11-15 05:08:14 PM

corronchilejano: I'm surprised the pro-Israel machine is better oiled than the pro-GOP one here at fark.


Nothing brings us all together, be us Christian, Jew, Atheist, liberal, or conservative better than a common enemy.
 
2012-11-15 05:08:15 PM

Amos Quito: liam76: Amos Quito: Actually the timing of this little escapade is VERY convenient for Netanyahu and the Likudniks

So you think the jews were behind the rockets coming from Gaza like you think they are behind the holocaust?


I think you're going to be a lying Hazbarat troll in this thread... just like in every other thread, liar76.


And I think you are being butthurt because I am pointing out your BS.

Pretty warped of you tho think a country getting rockets lobbed at it is convenient. Of course since that country is filled with jews we all know everything you think about it is going to be warped.

Bauer: Bauer: liam76: Bauer: every day...the world wakes up further and realizes that zionism is a disease.

Why don't you build your space ship and leave this "diseased" world then?

nice.

so you are admitting that zionism rules the whole planet?

lol


No, I am pointing out you are a crazy person who thinks they can build a spaceship. No idea you were also nuts enough to think zionism ruled the whole planet instead of just pulled strings in the US wrt the ME. Sounds like more reason for you to fly away spaceman.
 
2012-11-15 05:10:19 PM
the zionists fear free and fair elections.

they fear the same "numbers" that president obama faced.

it's always about the numbers.

-if there were fair elections in a "unified", free nation...they might have a chance at real peace.

they wouldn't be the bully in the sandbox anymore.

one way or another, this is going to happen.
 
2012-11-15 05:12:08 PM

Sargun: Why the fark aren't any news channels covering this



The Modmins won't greenlight the stories?
 
2012-11-15 05:14:45 PM

Bauer: badaboom: Bauer: every day...the world wakes up further and realizes that zionism is a disease.

So what's your "cure"?

liberty for all.

it will happen, eventually.
-people crave justice.

in the court of public opinion, worldwide, the zionists are a pariah.
their time is almost up.
there will be economic repercussions...and that will be something the "united states" will not be able to veto, at the un.

personally?
i would tear it all down.
without justice...there will be no peace.
if there is a mandate for a two state solution...there will need to be a restructuring of the land.
connect gaza and