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(CNN)   Now that the barn door's been left open, the horse escaped, the barn burned down, the burnt wreckage washed away in a flood, and the horse drowned in the swollen river, Army officials think to remove Paula Broadwell's security clearance   (security.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 94
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2012-11-15 04:19:46 PM
The kind of behavior being unveiled here is the shiat that irked the f*ck out of me in the military.

Junior enlisted people were smacked down for the dumbest shiat, and 'kept in line' with all of these abusive, time-wasting mind games. Meanwhile we had officers only a few years older than most of us up-stairs in the staterooms having group sex, drinking, gambling, etc. They were "talked to" then put back to work.

The officer corps is turning into an "I got mine" aristocracy, and the senior enlisted ranks are swelling with careerists very concerned with keeping their asses out of a sling until retirement.

Broadwell needs to be courts martialed. If you want to maintain the integrity of the military we can't keep treating the powerless like chattel, then treat senior officials like relatable characters in melodrama where everyone gets a happily ever after.
 
2012-11-15 04:20:35 PM

vudukungfu: So, I'm at work, lunch, and I go to the lunch room and they are all talking and one of them (I'm one of the older ones here, most of them are 20 something) asks me, "Hey, Vudu! You were in the Military. You had a security clearance. What have you learned from all of this Patreaus stuff?" And I sat down and said "don't eat too much Pie" and they all got quiet. And I said " I learned from all this, not to eat too much pie."
And they finally go, no, the military thing. And I go: Don't' eat too much pie. When you eat too much pie, you end up looking like Dolly Patreaus, and when you end up looking like Dolly Patreaus, your general husband will cheat on you. When your general husband cheats on you, he and her get caught. When they get caught, you end up the lumpy wife who got fat and drove her husband off on TV and everyone points and laughs at you. When everyone points and laughs at you, you want to eat more pie. It's a vicious cycle. So don't' eat so much pie. " The ladies didn't appreciate it, since someone had brought in pies, and they were all stuffing their pie holes.
I guess they will be baitching about what I said at curves tonight.


Thank you for the laugh I needed that
 
2012-11-15 04:22:15 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: ZipSplat: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: She do anything illegal yet?

She's married and an Army reservist, and she had an affair with another married member of the military. 2x violations of Article 134 of the UCMJ.

Though technically Petraeus isn't an active member of the military anymore, right? Is he still subject to the UCMJ even though he's retired from the service?


He can be re-called for prosecution. That won't happen though. It should, but it won't. I really like Petraeus, but I like the idea of the military being honorable more. Petraeus will land on his feet no matter what, here. Even with the worst of situations the only thing he might lose would be the good name of his penis, and maybe a pay grade.
 
2012-11-15 04:26:06 PM

ZipSplat: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: ZipSplat: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: She do anything illegal yet?

She's married and an Army reservist, and she had an affair with another married member of the military. 2x violations of Article 134 of the UCMJ.

Though technically Petraeus isn't an active member of the military anymore, right? Is he still subject to the UCMJ even though he's retired from the service?

He can be re-called for prosecution. That won't happen though. It should, but it won't. I really like Petraeus, but I like the idea of the military being honorable more. Petraeus will land on his feet no matter what, here. Even with the worst of situations the only thing he might lose would be the good name of his penis, and maybe a pay grade.


I really like Petraeus too. I hope he pays his dues, redeems himself, and gets back in the game. I could see him as a Sec. of State or ambassador of some sort in another decade.
 
2012-11-15 04:26:59 PM

ZipSplat: The kind of behavior being unveiled here is the shiat that irked the f*ck out of me in the military.

Junior enlisted people were smacked down for the dumbest shiat, and 'kept in line' with all of these abusive, time-wasting mind games. Meanwhile we had officers only a few years older than most of us up-stairs in the staterooms having group sex, drinking, gambling, etc. They were "talked to" then put back to work.


Indeed. We used to have a cork board outside the XO's office that had all the poor shmuck's that ended up under Article-15 proceedings. Names, what they did, what their punishment was, etc...

One day in the PI, a pilot got shiatfaced, broke into the base CO's house, and pissed on his carpet. We all went to see the cork board and find out what happened. Nothing.

So the next Captain's Call, someone wanted to know why this guy wasn't up on the board. The XO got completely bent out of shape about how this guy's career was likely ruined and it shouldn't be up there because....

It's always been an aristocracy. It's modeled after one..
 
2012-11-15 04:28:21 PM

ZipSplat: The officer corps is turning into an "I got mine" aristocracy, and the senior enlisted ranks are swelling with careerists very concerned with keeping their asses out of a sling until retirement.


Without a draft, we're also establishing a military class in this country -- the ones who do all the heavy lifting around the world for the 1%ers who benefit from the globalism.
 
2012-11-15 04:29:42 PM

ZipSplat: 134


Did an assault occur? Was there indecency? Article 134 is about indecent assault.

Also, it is now Article 120.
 
2012-11-15 04:34:20 PM

vudukungfu: So, I'm at work, lunch, and I go to the lunch room and they are all talking and one of them (I'm one of the older ones here, most of them are 20 something) asks me, "Hey, Vudu! You were in the Military. You had a security clearance. What have you learned from all of this Patreaus stuff?" And I sat down and said "don't eat too much Pie" and they all got quiet. And I said " I learned from all this, not to eat too much pie."
And they finally go, no, the military thing. And I go: Don't' eat too much pie. When you eat too much pie, you end up looking like Dolly Patreaus, and when you end up looking like Dolly Patreaus, your general husband will cheat on you. When your general husband cheats on you, he and her get caught. When they get caught, you end up the lumpy wife who got fat and drove her husband off on TV and everyone points and laughs at you. When everyone points and laughs at you, you want to eat more pie. It's a vicious cycle. So don't' eat so much pie. " The ladies didn't appreciate it, since someone had brought in pies, and they were all stuffing their pie holes.
I guess they will be baitching about what I said at curves tonight.


That's probably the best thing that's going to come out of this whole fiasco. We can be done with Patreus and his penis now.
 
2012-11-15 04:38:09 PM

namegoeshere: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i45.tinypic.com image 350x600]

Woman needs to invest in some curtains.

Then how would she AW?


I think we can drop the "A"
 
2012-11-15 04:48:47 PM
Petraeus thread....I can get some more mileage out of this:

i865.photobucket.com



\earworm engaged
 
2012-11-15 04:48:58 PM
Did she mishandle classified information? News on the way into work this morning said there was no evidence of that. At least, not yet.

But that was 8 hours ago.

/ I'd hit it
// Unless she was abusing her clearance
 
2012-11-15 04:50:26 PM

ZipSplat: The kind of behavior being unveiled here is the shiat that irked the f*ck out of me in the military.

Junior enlisted people were smacked down for the dumbest shiat, and 'kept in line' with all of these abusive, time-wasting mind games. Meanwhile we had officers only a few years older than most of us up-stairs in the staterooms having group sex, drinking, gambling, etc. They were "talked to" then put back to work.

The officer corps is turning into an "I got mine" aristocracy, and the senior enlisted ranks are swelling with careerists very concerned with keeping their asses out of a sling until retirement.

Broadwell needs to be courts martialed. If you want to maintain the integrity of the military we can't keep treating the powerless like chattel, then treat senior officials like relatable characters in melodrama where everyone gets a happily ever after.


Your newsletter, sir. I want a subscription...
 
2012-11-15 04:51:36 PM

Deja_VooDoo: Did she mishandle classified information? News on the way into work this morning said there was no evidence of that. At least, not yet.

But that was 8 hours ago.

/ I'd hit it
// Unless she was abusing her clearance


I'd abuse her clearance.

/ If you know what I mean...
 
2012-11-15 04:54:02 PM
 
2012-11-15 04:54:54 PM
Rock me Oh Petraeus, Oh Petraeus-Oh Petraeus!
 
2012-11-15 04:55:49 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: cgraves67: rtaylor92: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i45.tinypic.com image 350x600]

Woman needs to invest in some curtains.

That's a pretty nice set of cans to go with her five-head.

I suspect those things are fake. She supposedly runs Ironman Triathalons. Extremely fit female athletes are usually not that stacked, as boobs are mostly fatty tissue.

She's also been book touring for about six months, which would let her gain some weight back. Now the being trapped inside is going to make her beef up a bit. She was a little boney at her fighting weight, so adding a bit of curve to that frame won't hurt.


He has extremely ugly old lady hands. Ick
 
2012-11-15 04:56:08 PM

Rent Party:
It's always been an aristocracy. It's modeled after one..


Agreed. I want to see the officer accession process changed. Before I went to college I really had a lot more respect for officers with their PoliSci and Art History degrees. Then I went to college and realized that they had essentially been placed in positions of authority on the premise that having the time of your life for four years somehow imparts a particular trustworthiness. It's bullshiat. It's an idea that has descended from a time when the aristocracy were educated and they wanted to pipeline their children into leadership instead of having them toil in the dirt with the underlings.

There needs to be a pipeline. Every swinging dick (or tit) needs to serve as an enlisted man first, then when it is time for them to move above E5 there should be a system by which they can choose to either become an officer or continue on as a SNCO. None of this "college boys to the front" bullshiat. I know a lot of good officers, and no doubt they could still be good officers if the system were different, but the old system is just dumb and out-moded.
 
2012-11-15 05:02:22 PM

ZipSplat: Rent Party:
It's always been an aristocracy. It's modeled after one..

There needs to be a pipeline. Every swinging dick (or tit) needs to serve as an enlisted man first, then when it is time for them to move above E5 there should be a system by which they can choose to either become an officer or continue on as a SNCO. None of this "college boys to the front" bullshiat. I know a lot of good officers, and no doubt they could still be good officers if the system were different, but the old system is just dumb and out-moded.


I'd agree with this entirely, with the exception of perhaps Academy grads. And even then, they need to placed under the direct authority of some career E-8 or E-9 for a year when they graduate, just to keep them real.

The best officers I ever served on were all prior-enlisted.
 
2012-11-15 05:07:42 PM
ESPECIALLY right now, when we have so many people with so much combat experience being commanded by virginal 23 year olds.
 
2012-11-15 05:11:02 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i45.tinypic.com image 350x600]

Woman needs to invest in some curtains.


She has a nice rack, but seriously? She's not pretty.

vudukungfu: So, I'm at work, lunch, and I go to the lunch room and they are all talking and one of them (I'm one of the older ones here, most of them are 20 something) asks me, "Hey, Vudu! You were in the Military. You had a security clearance. What have you learned from all of this Patreaus stuff?" And I sat down and said "don't eat too much Pie" and they all got quiet. And I said " I learned from all this, not to eat too much pie."
And they finally go, no, the military thing. And I go: Don't' eat too much pie. When you eat too much pie, you end up looking like Dolly Patreaus, and when you end up looking like Dolly Patreaus, your general husband will cheat on you. When your general husband cheats on you, he and her get caught. When they get caught, you end up the lumpy wife who got fat and drove her husband off on TV and everyone points and laughs at you. When everyone points and laughs at you, you want to eat more pie. It's a vicious cycle. So don't' eat so much pie. "


And get DishTV.
 
2012-11-15 05:12:22 PM

cgraves67: rtaylor92: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i45.tinypic.com image 350x600]

Woman needs to invest in some curtains.

That's a pretty nice set of cans to go with her five-head.

I suspect those things are fake. She supposedly runs Ironman Triathalons. Extremely fit female athletes are usually not that stacked, as boobs are mostly fatty tissue.




Tasty, tasty fatty tissue.....
 
2012-11-15 05:20:14 PM
She should do Playboy.
 
2012-11-15 05:21:10 PM
OK, here's what I wanna know:

Both Broadwell and Kelley are pretty darn MILF-a-licious, and AWs to boot.

Where the fark are the cheesecake shots? The bathing suit on the beach pics?

They have to exist and I demand to see them!
 
2012-11-15 05:26:07 PM

I_C_Weener: He has been aroudn for 20 years.  He's old enough to earn his keep.  I guess I dont' care if he's sold as a sex slave to single mothers.


I'm pretty sure those DVDs are already out there. Are you looking for live action or animation?
 
2012-11-15 05:32:46 PM

Rent Party: The best officers I ever served on were all prior-enlisted.


Did you serve sandwiches on them or just cocktail snacks?
 
2012-11-15 05:43:13 PM

ZipSplat: Rent Party:
It's always been an aristocracy. It's modeled after one..

Agreed. I want to see the officer accession process changed. Before I went to college I really had a lot more respect for officers with their PoliSci and Art History degrees. Then I went to college and realized that they had essentially been placed in positions of authority on the premise that having the time of your life for four years somehow imparts a particular trustworthiness. It's bullshiat. It's an idea that has descended from a time when the aristocracy were educated and they wanted to pipeline their children into leadership instead of having them toil in the dirt with the underlings.

There needs to be a pipeline. Every swinging dick (or tit) needs to serve as an enlisted man first, then when it is time for them to move above E5 there should be a system by which they can choose to either become an officer or continue on as a SNCO. None of this "college boys to the front" bullshiat. I know a lot of good officers, and no doubt they could still be good officers if the system were different, but the old system is just dumb and out-moded.


As an officer, I'm forced to agree with a lot of whats been said. Going to a 4yr school and getting yelled at a lot at occasional intervals during is not a good formula for producing officers. And some of the best mentoring I got as an Lt was from the prior-E guys I knew. (Out of the 3 or 4 dozen I knew, only 1 stuck out to me as being a real loser.)
 
2012-11-15 05:51:36 PM

ZipSplat: The kind of behavior being unveiled here is the shiat that irked the f*ck out of me in the military.

Junior enlisted people were smacked down for the dumbest shiat, and 'kept in line' with all of these abusive, time-wasting mind games.


Ahh.. the memories. I remember looking down the barrel of a gun because some officer got his panties in a twist and decided to rough up the enlisted. I thought "Hmm.. my skills are very marketable in the civilian world".
 
2012-11-15 05:57:00 PM

BlueFalconPunch: ZipSplat: Rent Party:
It's always been an aristocracy. It's modeled after one..

Agreed. I want to see the officer accession process changed. Before I went to college I really had a lot more respect for officers with their PoliSci and Art History degrees. Then I went to college and realized that they had essentially been placed in positions of authority on the premise that having the time of your life for four years somehow imparts a particular trustworthiness. It's bullshiat. It's an idea that has descended from a time when the aristocracy were educated and they wanted to pipeline their children into leadership instead of having them toil in the dirt with the underlings.

There needs to be a pipeline. Every swinging dick (or tit) needs to serve as an enlisted man first, then when it is time for them to move above E5 there should be a system by which they can choose to either become an officer or continue on as a SNCO. None of this "college boys to the front" bullshiat. I know a lot of good officers, and no doubt they could still be good officers if the system were different, but the old system is just dumb and out-moded.

As an officer, I'm forced to agree with a lot of whats been said. Going to a 4yr school and getting yelled at a lot at occasional intervals during is not a good formula for producing officers. And some of the best mentoring I got as an Lt was from the prior-E guys I knew. (Out of the 3 or 4 dozen I knew, only 1 stuck out to me as being a real loser.)


There needs to be a bifurcation at E-5 similar to the choice SNCOs face when they get to E-8. "Do you wish to continue to work in your field, or do you want to move into management/leadership."

Rent Party mentioned academy grads as an exception above, I disagree. I think the academies need to be turned into universities of the military. Right now they service largely the rich and well-connected. Of all the academy grads I've known, most got there because their parents were Colonels or Generals, or their civilian family members were well-connected to power. They're essentially taxpayer funded elite private schools. That's wrong as hell, even though the men themselves were all very respectable.

But meanwhile, I think we would do well to educate our own at an actual military college in the things they will be needing instead of re-purposing people who have trained in whatever miscellaneous field in school that might have some tangible bleed-over value some day.
 
2012-11-15 06:05:58 PM

Rent Party: namegoeshere: Rent Party: ZipSplat: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: She do anything illegal yet?

She's married and an Army reservist, and she had an affair with another married member of the military. 2x violations of Article 134 of the UCMJ.

She is not subject to the UCMJ. She is a civilian.

No, she's a lieutenant colonel.

So I have heard.

/ Revised and extended my remarks....


So I have seen.
 
2012-11-15 06:13:51 PM

kokomo61: Can South Korea get around to yanking Jill Kelley's "Honorary Consul" status? No Tampa socialite needs diplomatic plates. At least McDill AFB has yanked her base priveleges.

Seems like she would conveniently forget the 'honorary' part of her titles, and use her 'consul' and 'ambassador' cred to pull rank on any little people who dared cross her lawn uninvited.


Yeah, what's up with that? She called somewhere and tried to pull rank because on account of she's an Honorary Consul, she has inviolability. What does that mean? What makes a person inviolable, and, for that matter, why is it only possible for honorary consuls? Seems to me anyone can buy a chastity belt and presto change-o, they're inviolable.
 
2012-11-15 06:28:54 PM
Well, at least the horse escaped, right?
 
2012-11-15 06:32:19 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: She do anything illegal yet?


Punitive Articles of the UCMJ

Article 134-2 Adultery
 
2012-11-15 06:41:43 PM

Rent Party: HotIgneous Intruder: Rent Party: HotIgneous Intruder: Rent Party: ZipSplat: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: She do anything illegal yet?

She's married and an Army reservist, and she had an affair with another married member of the military. 2x violations of Article 134 of the UCMJ.

She is not subject to the UCMJ. She is a civilian.

She's a Lt.Col. in the Army reserves. She's subject to the UCMJ.

I did not know that.

If true, she is subject to the UCMJ.

I'm happy you approve and delighted you feel that way.

I always try to let the facts guide my judgement and inform my opinions.

Observe.

She is in the military and subject to the UCMJ.
Military chicks are generally pretty slutty.


Only if she was on orders when they were knocking boots. Otherwise, the UCMJ has no jurisdiction.
 
2012-11-15 06:46:14 PM

ZipSplat: Rent Party mentioned academy grads as an exception above, I disagree. I think the academies need to be turned into universities of the military. Right now they service largely the rich and well-connected. Of all the academy grads I've known, most got there because their parents were Colonels or Generals, or their civilian family members were well-connected to power. They're essentially taxpayer funded elite private schools. That's wrong as hell, even though the men themselves were all very respectable.


The requirement of having a Congressional nomination is one of the reasons why mostly the rich and well connected make it into the service academies.
 
2012-11-15 06:51:51 PM
seattletimes.com

oh hai!
 
2012-11-15 06:59:41 PM

degenerate-afro: ZipSplat: Rent Party mentioned academy grads as an exception above, I disagree. I think the academies need to be turned into universities of the military. Right now they service largely the rich and well-connected. Of all the academy grads I've known, most got there because their parents were Colonels or Generals, or their civilian family members were well-connected to power. They're essentially taxpayer funded elite private schools. That's wrong as hell, even though the men themselves were all very respectable.

The requirement of having a Congressional nomination is one of the reasons why mostly the rich and well connected make it into the service academies.


Yeah, that, plus the whole "Dad was a grad so you get in, too" mentality. That is purely aristocratic bullshiat.
 
2012-11-15 07:00:52 PM

Deja_VooDoo: Did she mishandle classified information? News on the way into work this morning said there was no evidence of that. At least, not yet.


She had classified info stored in her house and garage, so yes.

Plus, even if you have the proper levels of security clearance, you're not allowed to just read classified info for no reason - it needs to be relevant to your job or you can get in trouble even if you have clearance. Being a reservist, it's somewhat unlikely any of these documents were directly related to her work for the military.
 
2012-11-15 07:06:32 PM
Tout va très bien Madame la Marquise!

Thoughtfully provided with French and English subtitles for the French-impaired.
 
2012-11-15 07:29:10 PM
Col. Flagg, Jr. approves.
 
2012-11-15 08:13:26 PM
I'd call her a sadistic equine necrophiliac, but that would be beating a dead horse.
 
2012-11-15 10:58:16 PM

ZipSplat: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: She do anything illegal yet?

She's married and an Army reservist, and she had an affair with another married member of the military. 2x violations of Article 134 of the UCMJ.


That may be a violation of the UCMJ but I don't think that can threaten her SF-86. Also, you can argue that no info was compromised because the affair had clearances on both ends. I think it would be a hard case to remove her clearance.
 
2012-11-15 11:17:53 PM
What are the odds that she isn't just a reservist, but also about to become a former member of the intelligence community?
 
2012-11-15 11:30:04 PM
This is why women can't be president.
 
2012-11-16 01:11:33 PM

angryjd: ZipSplat: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: She do anything illegal yet?

She's married and an Army reservist, and she had an affair with another married member of the military. 2x violations of Article 134 of the UCMJ.

That may be a violation of the UCMJ but I don't think that can threaten her SF-86. Also, you can argue that no info was compromised because the affair had clearances on both ends. I think it would be a hard case to remove her clearance.


What the...

An SF-86 is a form. Nobody calls a clearance an "SF-86". That's just the easiest thing to untangle in that clusterf*ck of words, I'll let the rest be for my own sake.
 
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