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(Daily Mail)   You are a manager at a top New York hotel and you go into labor and give birth in a room. Does the hotel: A) insist the EMT crew go out the side door so as not to bother guests, B) dock you for the hours missed, C) fire you, or D) all of the above?   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 108
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2012-11-15 01:59:11 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Gecko Gingrich: building in Chernobyl

Hahaha I was just coming to say it looks like an abandoned hotel in Chernobyl

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 308x425]


I was going to post the same picture and says it looked a LOT like one of Chicago's more infamous Projects in it's last days-like say Cabrini-Greens the scarggly landscaping just cements the look.

Compare:

Swanky hotel:
i.dailymail.co.uk

Cabrini:
kellylowenstein.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-15 02:01:32 PM  

SnyderCat: Oh no...not the side door.

I told YOU you could use the front door how many times?

I know you aren't deaf.

*sigh*


Questions to answer: A: Is the side door required for access to that patient, or for safety reasons. B. Are you getting between me and my patient. C. Does that patient have an emergency medical condition which requires immediate assessment and management?

Solution: Please move. I will take the safest, most expeditious route available. Please move, or Officer Friendly will be happy to assist you in moving.

/Fun fact: In most states, obstructing an EMT or Paramedic in the performance of their duties, or delaying their care of a patient, is a misderminors. In some, like Tennessee, it's a felony.
//Fun Fact 2: Delaying the care of a patient due to the obstruction of an EMT/Paramedic also makes you civilly liable for any harm that can be proven as a direct result of your delay of care.
//Fun Fact 3: Some things you never do. You don't put baby into a corner. You don't play Russian Roulette with a Semi-Auto. You don't get between a prehospital care provider and their patient. We're pretty fierce patient advocates.
 
2012-11-15 02:05:15 PM  

Overused Expression: Sybarite: The side door thing was stupid on the hotel's part

The hotels I've worked at in my life all had similar rules like that...ostensibly to give the person being taken out by paramedics some privacy, but in reality because they wanted to avoid having other people get bothered by it. Stupid rule, maybe, but good luck arguing that with any policy makers.

That said, the story here just sounds...wrong. I can buy her being up in a guest room (it never says what type of manager she is, but I'd best Housekeeping or Front Desk), so that part is fine, but her husband has time to go from Jersey to Manhattan and ends up delivering the baby himself? No one called 911 during that time? No paramedics showing up to do that themselves before the husband? Something in the timeline there just seems off.


I Used to know a 6'9 400lb NJ paramedic nicknamed "Tiny" (yeah he was fat but fast on his feet and strong as hell) if someone had got between him and an emergency patient by asking him to "go around to the side entrance, His crew would have ended up transporting two patients: The original one, and a Hotel manager with a size 17 workboot firmly lodged in his ass.
 
2012-11-15 02:05:52 PM  

Endive Wombat: Ambitwistor: (Standard Hotel exhibitionists.)

Whoa, NSFW dude! At least label it


Dude it's a link that farking says exhibitionists in the plainly readable title. If you click on that thinking it's SFW, you don't deserve the job you're afraid you might be fired from.
 
2012-11-15 02:07:29 PM  
A helpful map of the situation.

Link
 
2012-11-15 02:11:51 PM  
Would she not be protected by the FMLA?
 
2012-11-15 02:14:22 PM  

BronyMedic: SnyderCat: Oh no...not the side door.

I told YOU you could use the front door how many times?

I know you aren't deaf.

*sigh*

Questions to answer: A: Is the side door required for access to that patient, or for safety reasons. B. Are you getting between me and my patient. C. Does that patient have an emergency medical condition which requires immediate assessment and management?

Solution: Please move. I will take the safest, most expeditious route available. Please move, or Officer Friendly will be happy to assist you in moving.

/Fun fact: In most states, obstructing an EMT or Paramedic in the performance of their duties, or delaying their care of a patient, is a misderminors. In some, like Tennessee, it's a felony.
//Fun Fact 2: Delaying the care of a patient due to the obstruction of an EMT/Paramedic also makes you civilly liable for any harm that can be proven as a direct result of your delay of care.
//Fun Fact 3: Some things you never do. You don't put baby into a corner. You don't play Russian Roulette with a Semi-Auto. You don't get between a prehospital care provider and their patient. We're pretty fierce patient advocates.


I had a heart attack last night. The side door works for me when appropriate.

Thank you, sir. :)
 
2012-11-15 02:18:47 PM  
Found a couple of other links...

Business Insider says she was escorted to a closet to give birth, and claims the hotel made her go to a guest room, which is an interesting difference.

NY Post mentions that the ambulance wasn't called until after the husband got there which, again, seems like a very strange choice, though hubby called their doctor.

I don't know, there still just seems to be a lot of weird questions with this one. Who knows.
 
2012-11-15 02:29:11 PM  

You Are All Sheep: Would she not be protected by the FMLA?


Because she gave birth in April of 2011 and was fired in August of 2012.
 
2012-11-15 02:29:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Gecko Gingrich: building in Chernobyl

Hahaha I was just coming to say it looks like an abandoned hotel in Chernobyl

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 308x425]


me too! It reminds me of the The World after People show.
 
2012-11-15 02:31:10 PM  

SnyderCat: I had a heart attack last night. The side door works for me when appropriate.

Thank you, sir. :)


I was referring to the manager, allegedly according to the article, forcing the crew to use a side door out of the way to keep from "inconviencing guests". That's douchy.

You had a heart attack?

Oh, god. I'm sorry for being snarky with you. How are you doing?
 
2012-11-15 02:31:48 PM  

Lollipop165: Joe Peanut: It may look a bit meh from the outside, but the inside and the views are outstanding.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

Uh... yeah if you think views of Jersey are "outstanding".


Every chance you get, you seem to totally rag on New Jersey, you sound really bitter and very condescending. What happened? Some New Jersey guy dumped you? BTW, here's a newsflash: your shiat DOES stink.
 
2012-11-15 02:31:56 PM  

Magorn: Sybarite: The side door thing was stupid on the hotel's part, however federal law doesn't provide for paid maternity leave (whether it should or not is another question), and I'm pretty sure New York isn't one of the states that requires it either. It's entirely up to the discretion of the employer in most parts of the country. If she's a full time employee and worked through her entire pregnancy, it seems like she ought to have sick leave to use. As for the termination, the hotel is in trouble if they terminated her for the reasons she stated mainly because federal age discrimination laws kick in at 40. But unless she as some corroborating evidence, it seems like it would be a hard thing to prove.

I could bring and likely win a sex discrimnation suit alleging she was fired because of her pregnancy which is a HUGE no-no under Federal law (and even if she had no other leave, if the hotel met the employee threshold , she should have gotten her 12 weeks under the FMLA)



Sure you can get the 12 weeks, but if you haven't accrued enough paid leave to cover it, you're not getting paid. A lot of families really can't afford for a wage earner to take that much time off. As for the discrimination lawsuit, we only have her word on why she was fired. Again, unless she can show a pattern of management behavior, has material witnesses such statement, or has them recorded saying something like that, she's going to have a hard time convincing the court.
 
2012-11-15 02:33:41 PM  

unfarkingbelievable: Every chance you get, you seem to totally rag on New Jersey, you sound really bitter and very condescending. What happened? Some New Jersey guy dumped you? BTW, here's a newsflash: your shiat DOES stink.


New Jersey is responsible for one of the greatest ethnic cleansing atrocities known to man.
 
2012-11-15 02:38:34 PM  
She may have a case, but she's not going to get $10 million. You can only sue for damages. In this case, her damages equal her lost wages until she can find a comparable job. She would have to file some silly claim of "mental pain and suffering" to get more than that. Even if she never works again for the rest of her life, she could at most claim about $1 million.
 
2012-11-15 02:38:53 PM  
Firing somebody for a medical reason? Sounds like a no-no.
 
2012-11-15 02:42:09 PM  

unfarkingbelievable: Lollipop165: Joe Peanut: It may look a bit meh from the outside, but the inside and the views are outstanding.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

Uh... yeah if you think views of Jersey are "outstanding".

Every chance you get, you seem to totally rag on New Jersey, you sound really bitter and very condescending. What happened? Some New Jersey guy dumped you? BTW, here's a newsflash: your shiat DOES stink.



You know that being in Jersey and looking at Manhattan is way better than the other way around. Why even argue it?
 
2012-11-15 02:43:47 PM  

unfarkingbelievable: Every chance you get, you seem to totally rag on New Jersey, you sound really bitter and very condescending. What happened? Some New Jersey guy dumped you? BTW, here's a newsflash: your shiat DOES stink.


If you want good views you live IN New Jersey, dumbass. Then you have skyline views. Views from Hoboken are amazing. Views from the Westside to Jersey? Not so much.

/btw, as someone who spent much of my youth in NJ, I earned the right to rag on it!
 
2012-11-15 02:44:37 PM  
halfof33: You Are All Sheep: Would she not be protected by the FMLA?

Because she gave birth in April of 2011 and was fired in August of 2012.


Subby's article says she gave birth this past March which would be March 2012. The other two links posted in this thread don't mention dates so where are you getting your dates from?
 
2012-11-15 02:48:01 PM  
I worked in a hotel for a while (it sucked), and we had a sorry-ass desk clerk who got pregnant and decided that she couldn't do anything but check-ins and outs anymore. She couldn't even fold towels. The company would not get rid of her because she was pregnant and they were afraid of a lawsuit. So I'm thinking this lady probably is going to get something.
 
2012-11-15 02:56:13 PM  
Should have had the baby in one of the bathrooms:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-09-11/news/33768758_1_restroom-u s ers-high-line-view

I've gone to the bathroom there. At night. Waved my howyadoin for all to see. Was liberating.
 
2012-11-15 02:56:37 PM  

Latinwolf: Subby's article says she gave birth this past March which would be March 2012. The other two links posted in this thread don't mention dates so where are you getting your dates from?


Link

In other words, she worked for 18 months after she gave birth. Irrelevant Sensational claim is sensational!
 
2012-11-15 02:58:23 PM  
If she is too stupid to realize that she doesn't need to wait for her husband to arrive before heading to the hospital then she probably deserved to be fired.
 
2012-11-15 03:03:30 PM  

BronyMedic: SnyderCat: Oh no...not the side door.

I told YOU you could use the front door how many times?

I know you aren't deaf.

*sigh*

Questions to answer: A: Is the side door required for access to that patient, or for safety reasons. B. Are you getting between me and my patient. C. Does that patient have an emergency medical condition which requires immediate assessment and management?

Solution: Please move. I will take the safest, most expeditious route available. Please move, or Officer Friendly will be happy to assist you in moving.

/Fun fact: In most states, obstructing an EMT or Paramedic in the performance of their duties, or delaying their care of a patient, is a misderminors. In some, like Tennessee, it's a felony.
//Fun Fact 2: Delaying the care of a patient due to the obstruction of an EMT/Paramedic also makes you civilly liable for any harm that can be proven as a direct result of your delay of care.
//Fun Fact 3: Some things you never do. You don't put baby into a corner. You don't play Russian Roulette with a Semi-Auto. You don't get between a prehospital care provider and their patient. We're pretty fierce patient advocates.


Don't be so dramatic. All the information in the article is coming from the plaintiff's lawsuit, so we don't really know where the truth lies. There have been countless times in my career where the facility staff has recommended a side entrance to get to a patient - typically because it is more efficient. Also, she already had the baby in this instance, so even if the reason was to "not bother guests," a short delay (if there even was one) would not likely have any negative impact on these patients. Is it right? No, but even if we take the plaintiff at face value, she would have to show that there was harm caused by the delay of using the side entrance and that information is not present in the Daily Mail article.
 
2012-11-15 03:05:24 PM  

Lollipop165: unfarkingbelievable: Every chance you get, you seem to totally rag on New Jersey, you sound really bitter and very condescending. What happened? Some New Jersey guy dumped you? BTW, here's a newsflash: your shiat DOES stink.

If you want good views you live IN New Jersey, dumbass. Then you have skyline views. Views from Hoboken are amazing. Views from the Westside to Jersey? Not so much.

/btw, as someone who spent much of my youth in NJ, I earned the right to rag on it!


Really. Only a nasty, bitter, biyotch with deep personality flaws finds excuses to constantly rag on a whole state every chance she gets, dumbass.
 
2012-11-15 03:06:43 PM  

unfarkingbelievable: Really. Only a nasty, bitter, biyotch with deep personality flaws finds excuses to constantly rag on a whole state every chance she gets, dumbass.


LMAO, you are cute :-)
 
2012-11-15 03:07:23 PM  

You Are All Sheep: Would she not be protected by the FMLA?


They fired her for cause.
 
2012-11-15 03:10:59 PM  

Lollipop165: unfarkingbelievable: Really. Only a nasty, bitter, biyotch with deep personality flaws finds excuses to constantly rag on a whole state every chance she gets, dumbass.

LMAO, you are cute :-)


Ha. You should see me when I wake up in the morning looking like the wreck of the Hesperus. Having curly hair sucks.

/It's 5:00 somewhere in the world. Gonna have a cocktail.
 
2012-11-15 03:17:24 PM  

BronyMedic: New Jersey is responsible for one of the greatest ethnic cleansing atrocities known to man.


At least there was some kind of cleansing going on in New Jersey.

/I keed, I keed
 
2012-11-15 03:18:05 PM  
The Standard is famous for its all-glass windows that give racy views to strollers on the High Line below.

I'm not even sure how to respond to that.
 
2012-11-15 03:21:01 PM  

umad: If she is too stupid to realize that she doesn't need to wait for her husband to arrive before heading to the hospital then she probably deserved to be fired.


She probably doesn't have insurance, or if she does it's crappy and doesn't cover ambulances.

/USA USA USA!
//Let's have employers pay for everything! Smart Idea!
 
2012-11-15 03:43:22 PM  

shortymac: umad: If she is too stupid to realize that she doesn't need to wait for her husband to arrive before heading to the hospital then she probably deserved to be fired.

She probably doesn't have insurance, or if she does it's crappy and doesn't cover ambulances.

/USA USA USA!
//Let's have employers pay for everything! Smart Idea!


She works 2 blocks away from Beth Israel Medical center (One of the best hospitals in the city)
 
2012-11-15 03:50:13 PM  

exick: Gecko Gingrich: Blues_X: Stealing boxes.... no, that can't possibly be a false corporate excuse.

And I bet it was on her day off, too.

You gotta be a stupid muthafarka to get fired on your day off!


What she tryin to do? Build a clubhouse?
 
2012-11-15 03:56:52 PM  

unfarkingbelievable: Lollipop165: Joe Peanut: It may look a bit meh from the outside, but the inside and the views are outstanding.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

Uh... yeah if you think views of Jersey are "outstanding".

Every chance you get, you seem to totally rag on New Jersey, you sound really bitter and very condescending. What happened? Some New Jersey guy dumped you? BTW, here's a newsflash: your shiat DOES stink.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-15 04:05:26 PM  

Joe Peanut: It may look a bit meh from the outside, but the inside and the views are outstanding.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]


Those views are great. I had an apartment for a little while on the 20th floor of a building that was floor to ceiling windows. I was more than a mile from the nearest building anywhere near its height so privacy wasn't much of an issue. It was great.

There are a number of similar places about 6 blocks north of me now, all within 100 feet or so from each other. Everyone keeps their blinds closed because they have views of neighboring buildings. I don't get the appeal.
 
2012-11-15 04:13:45 PM  

Joe Peanut: It may look a bit meh from the outside, but the inside and the views are outstanding.


You do realize that's a view of New Jersey, right?
 
2012-11-15 04:23:37 PM  

BronyMedic: Side door so I don't disturb anyone?

GTFO of my way, and let me get to my patient.


That's what I am thinking. If I was an EMT I'd probably give the manager a hearty 'Fark-you', and proceed through the main door, and take the first elevator I saw. If he proceeded with his douchebaggery, I'd introduce him to Mr. Defib. Then I'd instruct the next meatwagon (REO Meatwagon? That's what I'd name my ambulance service) to take the side door to treat him.

/Unless they made me take one of those hypocrite oath things, then I'd just do the 'fark-you' part.
 
2012-11-15 04:28:12 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Joe Peanut: It may look a bit meh from the outside, but the inside and the views are outstanding.

You do realize that's a view of New Jersey, right?


I don't know, why don't you ask Lollipop165?
 
2012-11-15 04:35:27 PM  

BronyMedic: /Fun fact: In most states, obstructing an EMT or Paramedic in the performance of their duties, or delaying their care of a patient, is a misderminors. In some, like Tennessee, it's a felony.
//Fun Fact 2: Delaying the care of a patient due to the obstruction of an EMT/Paramedic also makes you civilly liable for any harm that can be proven as a direct result of your delay of care.


What about when the cops do it because you don't slam your ambulance into the trees the second they get behind you?
I guess you get your black ass choked.
And the cop is justifed in doing so, but gets a talking to for using 'bad language'
Cop: You failed to yield to an emegency vehicle.
I am an emergency vehicle, motherfarker!
 
2012-11-15 04:38:39 PM  
ugly building, douchebag upper management/ owners. nice views. yup epically over priced.
 
2012-11-15 04:58:15 PM  
SphericalTime
I'm surprised they didn't charge her for a night at the hotel.


The rate for two people once the baby was there.
 
2012-11-15 05:02:51 PM  
Remember when we used to use things and love people?
 
2012-11-15 05:11:12 PM  
The Standard is famous for its all-glass windows that give racy views to strollers on the High Line below.

Named for it's thick, jungle overgrowth of weeds, no doubt. Did they fire the grounds crew, too?
 
2012-11-15 06:13:02 PM  
The Standard is famous for its all-glass windows that give racy views to strollers on the High Line below.

As opposed to those windows that are part glass and part Jell-O.
 
2012-11-15 06:46:31 PM  

MythDragon: Cop: You failed to yield to an emegency vehicle.
I am an emergency vehicle, motherfarker!


And that is the reason Tennessee wrote the law the way it did when it put it on the books. Because of assholes with a badge who have no place having it in the first place.

Tennessee's EMT Interference law was put on the books after patients and providers died because of law enforcement stupidity. Law Enforcement would arrest treating EMTs for refusing to open highways and interstates to traffic, would pull over ambulances running to calls for "Speeding" with lights and sirens on, and obstruct EMTs from entering crime scenes to treat victims.
 
2012-11-15 06:52:34 PM  

bunner: The Standard is famous for its all-glass windows that give racy views to strollers on the High Line below.

Named for it's thick, jungle overgrowth of weeds, no doubt. Did they fire the grounds crew, too?


That's not the hotel grounds. That's the High Line park, which runs through the hotel. The park was intentionally designed to have a bit of an unkempt or "natural" look to it.
 
2012-11-15 07:34:32 PM  

badgerb: unfarkingbelievable: Lollipop165: Joe Peanut: It may look a bit meh from the outside, but the inside and the views are outstanding.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

Uh... yeah if you think views of Jersey are "outstanding".

Every chance you get, you seem to totally rag on New Jersey, you sound really bitter and very condescending. What happened? Some New Jersey guy dumped you? BTW, here's a newsflash: your shiat DOES stink.

[i.imgur.com image 640x478]


????
 
2012-11-15 07:35:44 PM  
I still don't understand why this woman wasn't on maternity leave. Was it a preemie?
 
2012-11-15 07:50:30 PM  

Lollipop165: Joe Peanut: It may look a bit meh from the outside, but the inside and the views are outstanding.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

[s3.amazonaws.com image 625x363]

Uh... yeah if you think views of Jersey are "outstanding".


www.thesmokingjacket.com
 
2012-11-15 09:41:07 PM  
What great architecture.
i.imgur.com
 
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