If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Reuters)   125 musicians are suing Pandora over compensation, including Billy Joel and Rihanna   (reuters.com) divider line 69
    More: Interesting, Pandora Media Inc., Billy Joel, Rihanna, Missy Elliott, online music, Internet radio, musicians, advance copy  
•       •       •

3564 clicks; posted to Entertainment » on 15 Nov 2012 at 12:04 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



69 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-11-15 10:18:01 AM
So, a drunk and a punch drunk decide they don't have enough solid gold swimming pools?
 
2012-11-15 10:29:09 AM
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-11-15 12:05:11 PM
I'll just be over here, continuing to download music for free directly from Youtube...
 
2012-11-15 12:08:06 PM
Pandora, I don't know you
And this is crazy
You're playing my music
So compensate me!
 
2012-11-15 12:10:18 PM
Rihanna is hot.

Just felt I should point this out.
 
2012-11-15 12:12:12 PM
I can't stand Billy Joel. I like "just the way you are" but every other song of his sucks for some reason. we didn't start the fire sucks, allentown really sucks, piano man has that shiatty harmonica, and the "leave me alone, it's my life!" i hate that shiatty electric piano riff. he annoys the shiat out of me.

rihanna annoys because aside from her music sucking ass, we're constantly reminded about her and chris brown. that beatdown was what, almost 4 years ago, and yet about every other month one of them is on farking hell Good Morning America or the cover of People or in the wacky entertainment gossip section giving an interview about it. good lord. shut up already.
 
2012-11-15 12:13:48 PM
In most cases I am all about artists getting more money for who utilize their works, but the compulsory license disparity between terrestrial radio, satellite radio and Internet streaming is ridiculous. The only reason satellite and Internet broadcasters pay more right now is that they had less millions to pay lobbyists last time around.
 
2012-11-15 12:13:55 PM

rickythepenguin: I can't stand Billy Joel. I like "just the way you are" but every other song of his sucks for some reason. we didn't start the fire sucks, allentown really sucks, piano man has that shiatty harmonica, and the "leave me alone, it's my life!" i hate that shiatty electric piano riff. he annoys the shiat out of me.

rihanna annoys because aside from her music sucking ass, we're constantly reminded about her and chris brown. that beatdown was what, almost 4 years ago, and yet about every other month one of them is on farking hell Good Morning America or the cover of People or in the wacky entertainment gossip section giving an interview about it. good lord. shut up already.


Someone needs a hug.
 
2012-11-15 12:14:09 PM
They're not suing Pandora. They're speaking out against a bill that Pandora is lobbying for that would cut the revenues they earn from online broadcasting (Pandora already pays them, they just want to pay them less)
 
2012-11-15 12:14:53 PM
Interesting that the article fails to spell out the different rates assessed to various forms of digital radio.

Satellite radio pays about 7.5% of revenue in royalties
Cable company music channels pay about 15% of revenue in royalties
Pandora pays more than 50% of revenue in royalties
 
2012-11-15 12:17:50 PM
Kind of a moot point when you can hear full albums on Youtube

Albums I've listened to this morning

Music From Big Pinkl
Ziggy Stardust
Disraili Gears
The White Album
 
2012-11-15 12:21:08 PM
Coldplay, however, is sitting back smug and happy.

I swear, you start a new channel on Pandora and you'll get a Coldplay song within a dozen selections. The only channels this didn't happen for me were my Beethoven channel and my James Brown channel. Other channels--bang, Coldplay. Seeds as diverse as Ozric Tentacles, Sleater Kinney, Fatboy Slim and Missing Persons.

Coldplay farking sucks.
 
2012-11-15 12:21:10 PM
The letter, with list of artists

Michael W. Smith and Amy Grant are on there, so you know shiat's serious.
 
2012-11-15 12:21:41 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Rihanna is hot.

Just felt I should point this out.


So... you'd hit it?

/too soon?
 
2012-11-15 12:23:24 PM

rickythepenguin: I can't stand Billy Joel.


I'd say he was fine in the late 70s / early 80s as a pop pianist, he had some good tunes around that time. It's when he decided that people should fondle his balls because he was some sort of God of piano players that the wheels fell off the Billy Joel Bus.
 
2012-11-15 12:25:42 PM

rickythepenguin: I can't stand Billy Joel. I like "just the way you are" but every other song of his sucks for some reason. we didn't start the fire sucks, allentown really sucks, piano man has that shiatty harmonica, and the "leave me alone, it's my life!" i hate that shiatty electric piano riff. he annoys the shiat out of me.

rihanna annoys because aside from her music sucking ass, we're constantly reminded about her and chris brown. that beatdown was what, almost 4 years ago, and yet about every other month one of them is on farking hell Good Morning America or the cover of People or in the wacky entertainment gossip section giving an interview about it. good lord. shut up already.


I've never understood the appeal of Billy Joel. I'm not a fan of Bruce Springsteen, or even Celine Dion for that matter, but I understand their appeal at least. Billy Joel is one big enigma to me.
 
2012-11-15 12:26:48 PM
They wrote a letter.
It isn't a lawsuit
Don't subby no how two red?
 
2012-11-15 12:31:27 PM
124 musicians and a drummer.
 
2012-11-15 12:31:46 PM

reverend maynard: I've never understood the appeal of Billy Joel. I'm not a fan of Bruce Springsteen, or even Celine Dion for that matter, but I understand their appeal at least. Billy Joel is one big enigma to me.



the holy trinity of suck in the rock pantheon: The Eagles, CCR, and Billy Joel.
 
2012-11-15 12:31:59 PM

theorellior: Coldplay, however, is sitting back smug and happy.

I swear, you start a new channel on Pandora and you'll get a Coldplay song within a dozen selections. The only channels this didn't happen for me were my Beethoven channel and my James Brown channel. Other channels--bang, Coldplay. Seeds as diverse as Ozric Tentacles, Sleater Kinney, Fatboy Slim and Missing Persons.

Coldplay farking sucks.


We shuffle through a few Pandora stations at work, and I've never once heard Coldplay come up.
 
2012-11-15 12:36:48 PM

BullBearMS: Interesting that the article fails to spell out the different rates assessed to various forms of digital radio.

Satellite radio pays about 7.5% of revenue in royalties
Cable company music channels pay about 15% of revenue in royalties
Pandora pays more than 50% of revenue in royalties

Citation needed.


/ Not calling you a liar, just curious where those stats come from.
 
2012-11-15 12:40:48 PM

rickythepenguin: reverend maynard: I've never understood the appeal of Billy Joel. I'm not a fan of Bruce Springsteen, or even Celine Dion for that matter, but I understand their appeal at least. Billy Joel is one big enigma to me.


the holy trinity of suck in the rock pantheon: The Eagles, CCR, and Billy Joel.


4.bp.blogspot.com

Two out of three ain't bad!
 
2012-11-15 12:42:07 PM
I think they should sue Pandora for only playing the same Billy Joel song over and over again, with just segments of Indie bs in the middle. I know i'm gonna come off Troll-y, but i have never liked the indie seen, and not interested in starting today. Just play the music i'm looking for.
 
2012-11-15 12:43:02 PM

bulsd: Just play the music i'm looking for.


It's not Pandora's fault you're using it wrong.
 
2012-11-15 12:46:28 PM
Gave up Pandora years ago.

I use Myspace musicplayer (stop snickering). They have the largest library of songs, including live albums, mixes etc. You can pick what you want, when you want, full albums played in correct order or you can use their radio mode, which is like Pandora, only if I choose Type O Negative, their recommended songs won't include the Muppets manamana or some shiat.


Look at Alice Cooper for example, they'll even put soundtracks in his album profile. They also have 45 versions of songs. And it's all free

Link
 
2012-11-15 12:46:49 PM
There's an Avatar joke in here somewhere but I can't quite find it.
 
2012-11-15 12:47:05 PM

bulsd: Just play the music i'm looking for.


The thumbs up/thumbs down really helps. It might take a while, but I think for me it's gotten the message that I don't want movie soundtracks on my classical stations.
 
2012-11-15 12:47:12 PM

utsagrad123: BullBearMS: Interesting that the article fails to spell out the different rates assessed to various forms of digital radio.

Satellite radio pays about 7.5% of revenue in royalties
Cable company music channels pay about 15% of revenue in royalties
Pandora pays more than 50% of revenue in royalties

Citation needed.

/ Not calling you a liar, just curious where those stats come from.


I wonder why Pandora might be paying so much of their revenue in royalties?

Satellite radio subscription: $15-$18 a month
Cable music: minimum $15-$20 a month, usually as part of a larger package
Pandora subscription: Free-$4 a month
 
2012-11-15 12:49:44 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I'll just be over here, continuing to download music for free directly from Youtube...


I have been wondering about this.
You've piqued my interest...

/EIP
//(not for genitalia... unless you're a chick, that is...)
 
2012-11-15 12:50:58 PM

TXEric: The My Little Pony Killer: I'll just be over here, continuing to download music for free directly from Youtube...

I have been wondering about this.
You've piqued my interest...

/EIP
//(not for genitalia... unless you're a chick, that is...)


You've been wondering about how to google for "youtube audio downloader?"
 
M-G
2012-11-15 12:55:20 PM
Do they really want to open that box?
 
2012-11-15 12:56:25 PM

utsagrad123: BullBearMS: Interesting that the article fails to spell out the different rates assessed to various forms of digital radio.

Satellite radio pays about 7.5% of revenue in royalties
Cable company music channels pay about 15% of revenue in royalties
Pandora pays more than 50% of revenue in royalties

Citation needed.

/ Not calling you a liar, just curious where those stats come from.


Just google Internet Radio Fairness Act

Here is Senator Ron Wyden's explanation of the bill. Warning: PDF file.

Here's the gist of it.

Under current law, Internet Radio royalty rates are the result of a special process unique to online radio. Early on, Internet radio fell prey to well-funded interests and legacy business models which stifled upstart competition. The royalty rates prescribed for Internet radio are established based on what a panel of special copyright judges determines to be the market rate for musical licenses. But there is no functioning market for these licenses and these judges are left with very little information to make reasonable conclusions. That's why Congress routinely intervenes to correct their work. The current method these judges use to establish royalty rates for Internet Radio has led to webcasters paying five times the amount of royalties - as a percentage of revenue - as other digital music broadcasters like satellite and cable. The long-established method that copyright judges use to determine royalty rates for satellite and cable providers enables a broader set of factors to be
considered.

The IRFA would end discrimination against the Internet and Internet Radio in the digital marketplace. It would treat Internet Radio, for purposes of establishing royalty rates, in the same way that satellite and cable radio are treated. It will give copyright judges the ability to establish royalty rates based on factors they have long used for other those broadcasters.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:07 PM

rickythepenguin: I can't stand Billy Joel. I like "just the way you are" but every other song of his sucks for some reason. we didn't start the fire sucks, allentown really sucks, piano man has that shiatty harmonica, and the "leave me alone, it's my life!" i hate that shiatty electric piano riff. he annoys the shiat out of me.

rihanna annoys because aside from her music sucking ass, we're constantly reminded about her and chris brown. that beatdown was what, almost 4 years ago, and yet about every other month one of them is on farking hell Good Morning America or the cover of People or in the wacky entertainment gossip section giving an interview about it. good lord. shut up already.


You sound like an angry young man who feels like he's running on ice.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:50 PM

BullBearMS: utsagrad123: BullBearMS: Interesting that the article fails to spell out the different rates assessed to various forms of digital radio.

Satellite radio pays about 7.5% of revenue in royalties
Cable company music channels pay about 15% of revenue in royalties
Pandora pays more than 50% of revenue in royalties

Citation needed.

/ Not calling you a liar, just curious where those stats come from.

Just google Internet Radio Fairness Act

Here is Senator Ron Wyden's explanation of the bill. Warning: PDF file.

Here's the gist of it.

Under current law, Internet Radio royalty rates are the result of a special process unique to online radio. Early on, Internet radio fell prey to well-funded interests and legacy business models which stifled upstart competition. The royalty rates prescribed for Internet radio are established based on what a panel of special copyright judges determines to be the market rate for musical licenses. But there is no functioning market for these licenses and these judges are left with very little information to make reasonable conclusions. That's why Congress routinely intervenes to correct their work. The current method these judges use to establish royalty rates for Internet Radio has led to webcasters paying five times the amount of royalties - as a percentage of revenue - as other digital music broadcasters like satellite and cable. The long-established method that copyright judges use to determine royalty rates for satellite and cable providers enables a broader set of factors to be
considered.

The IRFA would end discrimination against the Internet and Internet Radio in the digital marketplace. It would treat Internet Radio, for purposes of establishing royalty rates, in the same way that satellite and cable radio are treated. It will give copyright judges the ability to establish royalty rates based on factors they have long used for other those broadcasters.


Paying 5 times the amount of royalties as a percentage of of revenue doesn't sound like they are paying more per song it sounds like they have a crappy business model so they want to pay less.
 
2012-11-15 01:06:50 PM

Russky: Paying 5 times the amount of royalties as a percentage of of revenue doesn't sound like they are paying more per song it sounds like they have a crappy business model so they want to pay less.


Nope. Their rates are set using an entirely different standard than other forms of digital radio.

Music services aren't all treated the same, though - Congress gave older, more established companies a leg up. For satellite and cable radio, the judges set prices to give the labels and artists a "fair return" and the music service a "fair income." In practice, the judges tell these services to pay about 10% of their revenues to the artists and labels. For Internet radio, though, the judges are supposed to set rates based on what a "willing buyer and a willing seller" would do in an open market.1 This sounds pretty good, except that there is no open market, so there's no consistent benchmark. As a result, judges have set Internet radio royalty rates at cripplingly high levels. Internet stations went to Congress twice, in 2008 and 2009, to get temporary relief from rates that would have put them out of business. Today they pay about 50% of their revenues to SoundExchange.

Some of the same Congressmembers who helped lead the fight against the SOPA and PIPA bills this year want to level the playing field so that Internet radio can thrive. Congressmen Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) and Jared Polis (D-Colorado), and Senator Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) introduced a bill called the Internet Radio Fairness Act, which will give Internet radio stations a fairer process for setting the price of their music - and probably much lower prices for that music.

The legislation would put all digital music streaming companies on the same legal footing - Internet radio would get the same "fair return" standard that cable and satellite get, which will probably reduce the royalties Internet stations have to pay. The bill will also make sure that Internet radio stations can keep digital libraries of music to broadcast without facing copyright lawsuits. And it will help make sure that the Royalty Judges are qualified and can make decisions based on the best information.
 

This is about having everybody play by the same rules, even if they didn't buy off Congress right from the outset.
 
2012-11-15 01:07:48 PM

rickythepenguin: I can't stand Billy Joel. I like "just the way you are" but every other song of his sucks for some reason. we didn't start the fire sucks, allentown really sucks, piano man has that shiatty harmonica, and the "leave me alone, it's my life!" i hate that shiatty electric piano riff. he annoys the shiat out of me.

rihanna annoys because aside from her music sucking ass, we're constantly reminded about her and chris brown. that beatdown was what, almost 4 years ago, and yet about every other month one of them is on farking hell Good Morning America or the cover of People or in the wacky entertainment gossip section giving an interview about it. good lord. shut up already.


Grumpy Cat has learned to type.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:34 PM
What the hell do those little bead bracelet things have to do with music anyway?
 
2012-11-15 01:18:37 PM

reverend maynard: I've never understood the appeal of Billy Joel. I'm not a fan of Bruce Springsteen, or even Celine Dion for that matter, but I understand their appeal at least. Billy Joel is one big enigma to me.



O.o

Well, I see where the problem is, you have absolutely no taste in music as you'd rather listen to a screeching harpy with absolutely no talent aside having sold her soul for fame and being the universe's central source of "pompous", that the piano man.

I'd have given you a free pass with Bruce as he's got at most 2 decent songs.
 
2012-11-15 01:21:23 PM
 
2012-11-15 01:56:03 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: We shuffle through a few Pandora stations at work, and I've never once heard Coldplay come up.


You've probably thumbed-up or thumbed-down a bunch of stuff. That tends to narrow the algorithm away from Coldplay.
 
2012-11-15 02:05:15 PM

12349876: bulsd: Just play the music i'm looking for.

The thumbs up/thumbs down really helps. It might take a while, but I think for me it's gotten the message that I don't want movie soundtracks on my classical stations.


Hate that.

If I don't want to hear a song right now, I can never hear it again on that channel. Seems dumb.
 
2012-11-15 02:14:33 PM

imfallen_angel: reverend maynard: I've never understood the appeal of Billy Joel. I'm not a fan of Bruce Springsteen, or even Celine Dion for that matter, but I understand their appeal at least. Billy Joel is one big enigma to me.


O.o

Well, I see where the problem is, you have absolutely no taste in music as you'd rather listen to a screeching harpy with absolutely no talent aside having sold her soul for fame and being the universe's central source of "pompous", that the piano man.

I'd have given you a free pass with Bruce as he's got at most 2 decent songs.


that's all very well and good, but you evidently glossed over the part where I said I wasn't a fan. Thank you for giving me deeper insight into the mind of a Billy Joel fan. It's almost beginning to make sense.
 
2012-11-15 02:20:13 PM

reverend maynard: rickythepenguin: I can't stand Billy Joel. I like "just the way you are" but every other song of his sucks for some reason. we didn't start the fire sucks, allentown really sucks, piano man has that shiatty harmonica, and the "leave me alone, it's my life!" i hate that shiatty electric piano riff. he annoys the shiat out of me.

rihanna annoys because aside from her music sucking ass, we're constantly reminded about her and chris brown. that beatdown was what, almost 4 years ago, and yet about every other month one of them is on farking hell Good Morning America or the cover of People or in the wacky entertainment gossip section giving an interview about it. good lord. shut up already.

I've never understood the appeal of Billy Joel. I'm not a fan of Bruce Springsteen, or even Celine Dion for that matter, but I understand their appeal at least. Billy Joel is one big enigma to me.


Chuck Klosterman explains it well
 
2012-11-15 02:23:28 PM

reverend maynard: imfallen_angel: reverend maynard: I've never understood the appeal of Billy Joel. I'm not a fan of Bruce Springsteen, or even Celine Dion for that matter, but I understand their appeal at least. Billy Joel is one big enigma to me.


O.o

Well, I see where the problem is, you have absolutely no taste in music as you'd rather listen to a screeching harpy with absolutely no talent aside having sold her soul for fame and being the universe's central source of "pompous", that the piano man.

I'd have given you a free pass with Bruce as he's got at most 2 decent songs.

that's all very well and good, but you evidently glossed over the part where I said I wasn't a fan. Thank you for giving me deeper insight into the mind of a Billy Joel fan. It's almost beginning to make sense.


Not really more to be said here....  I'll stick with my comment, thanks...
 
2012-11-15 02:32:52 PM

imfallen_angel: reverend maynard: imfallen_angel: reverend maynard: I've never understood the appeal of Billy Joel. I'm not a fan of Bruce Springsteen, or even Celine Dion for that matter, but I understand their appeal at least. Billy Joel is one big enigma to me.


O.o

Well, I see where the problem is, you have absolutely no taste in music as you'd rather listen to a screeching harpy with absolutely no talent aside having sold her soul for fame and being the universe's central source of "pompous", that the piano man.

I'd have given you a free pass with Bruce as he's got at most 2 decent songs.

that's all very well and good, but you evidently glossed over the part where I said I wasn't a fan. Thank you for giving me deeper insight into the mind of a Billy Joel fan. It's almost beginning to make sense.

Not really more to be said here....  I'll stick with my comment, thanks...

 

/Indeed.
 
2012-11-15 02:33:49 PM

InmanRoshi: reverend maynard: rickythepenguin: I can't stand Billy Joel. I like "just the way you are" but every other song of his sucks for some reason. we didn't start the fire sucks, allentown really sucks, piano man has that shiatty harmonica, and the "leave me alone, it's my life!" i hate that shiatty electric piano riff. he annoys the shiat out of me.

rihanna annoys because aside from her music sucking ass, we're constantly reminded about her and chris brown. that beatdown was what, almost 4 years ago, and yet about every other month one of them is on farking hell Good Morning America or the cover of People or in the wacky entertainment gossip section giving an interview about it. good lord. shut up already.

I've never understood the appeal of Billy Joel. I'm not a fan of Bruce Springsteen, or even Celine Dion for that matter, but I understand their appeal at least. Billy Joel is one big enigma to me.

Chuck Klosterman explains it well


thumbs^
 
2012-11-15 02:33:50 PM

InmanRoshi: reverend maynard: rickythepenguin: I can't stand Billy Joel. I like "just the way you are" but every other song of his sucks for some reason. we didn't start the fire sucks, allentown really sucks, piano man has that shiatty harmonica, and the "leave me alone, it's my life!" i hate that shiatty electric piano riff. he annoys the shiat out of me.

rihanna annoys because aside from her music sucking ass, we're constantly reminded about her and chris brown. that beatdown was what, almost 4 years ago, and yet about every other month one of them is on farking hell Good Morning America or the cover of People or in the wacky entertainment gossip section giving an interview about it. good lord. shut up already.

I've never understood the appeal of Billy Joel. I'm not a fan of Bruce Springsteen, or even Celine Dion for that matter, but I understand their appeal at least. Billy Joel is one big enigma to me.

Chuck Klosterman explains it well


Nice. Thanks.
 
2012-11-15 02:46:35 PM
Oh noes! Whatever that Pandora thing was is now in trouble.

/region-blocked Canadian
 
2012-11-15 02:46:41 PM

reverend maynard: /Indeed.


That's like defending yourself over stating that you'd love a good kick in the nads, even though you don't see the appeal of it.

Double entente is tricky that way.

But hey, if it rocks your balls, good for you I guess.
 
2012-11-15 02:53:24 PM

InmanRoshi: Chuck Klosterman explains it well


That was a good listen... I likes how he ends up explaining that the fact that the perception he's ended up with is due to how one song gave him a embodiment of the artist because of how it impacts on his life.

What I ended up with was : "BJ isn't cool because one of his song gave me a perception about things in my life and how I identify with it, and it's not cool (so hence, BJ isn't either)."

It was quite an interesting self-study of his own psyche.
 
Displayed 50 of 69 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report