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(Reuters)   125 musicians are suing Pandora over compensation, including Billy Joel and Rihanna   (reuters.com) divider line 69
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2012-11-15 02:54:36 PM  

theorellior: Coldplay, however, is sitting back smug and happy.

I swear, you start a new channel on Pandora and you'll get a Coldplay song within a dozen selections. The only channels this didn't happen for me were my Beethoven channel and my James Brown channel. Other channels--bang, Coldplay. Seeds as diverse as Ozric Tentacles, Sleater Kinney, Fatboy Slim and Missing Persons.

Coldplay farking sucks.


I always get the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I absolutely hate the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
 
2012-11-15 03:13:05 PM  
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R.I.Pia Zadora
 
2012-11-15 03:14:49 PM  

imfallen_angel: reverend maynard: /Indeed.

That's like defending yourself over stating that you'd love a good kick in the nads, even though you don't see the appeal of it.

Double entente is tricky that way.

But hey, if it rocks your balls, good for you I guess.


You can't be serious? There is no double entendre there at all. Your example is both weak and ridiculous. How can you not differentiate between liking something yourself and understanding how others might find it appealing? Especially with something as subjective as music.
Hell I might not like the KKK, but I can understand how a child brought up by two white supremacist dikwads can find their views appealing.
 
2012-11-15 03:24:40 PM  
I'm a Spotify man myself. It makes Pandora look like a rinky-dink child's plaything despite some of it's own weaknesses (poor "shuffle" play being one)

I hate how a few big mainstream artists (Pink Floyd, Beatles) are not on Spotify. but since 99% of the music I listen to is not them, it's no big. It also has led me to appreciate some of the "Faux" bands that re-recreate the music of the Beatles & Floyd very nicely, as well as tribute albums which are in themselves very enjoyable.

9.99 a month to have the world's most complete music library 'on demand' and commercial free is better than crack. I listen 10+ hours a day. Haven't pirated a single song in over a year.
 
2012-11-15 03:24:54 PM  

reverend maynard: imfallen_angel: reverend maynard: /Indeed.

That's like defending yourself over stating that you'd love a good kick in the nads, even though you don't see the appeal of it.

Double entente is tricky that way.

But hey, if it rocks your balls, good for you I guess.

You can't be serious? There is no double entendre there at all. Your example is both weak and ridiculous. How can you not differentiate between liking something yourself and understanding how others might find it appealing? Especially with something as subjective as music.
Hell I might not like the KKK, but I can understand how a child brought up by two white supremacist dikwads can find their views appealing.


So now you're in acceptance of people burning crosses and hanging humans because of their skin colour. Wow, I knew Celine Dion did bad things to people, but to this extent... it's scary.
 
2012-11-15 03:28:21 PM  

imfallen_angel: reverend maynard: imfallen_angel: reverend maynard: /Indeed.

That's like defending yourself over stating that you'd love a good kick in the nads, even though you don't see the appeal of it.

Double entente is tricky that way.

But hey, if it rocks your balls, good for you I guess.

You can't be serious? There is no double entendre there at all. Your example is both weak and ridiculous. How can you not differentiate between liking something yourself and understanding how others might find it appealing? Especially with something as subjective as music.
Hell I might not like the KKK, but I can understand how a child brought up by two white supremacist dikwads can find their views appealing.

So now you're in acceptance of people burning crosses and hanging humans because of their skin colour. Wow, I knew Celine Dion did bad things to people, but to this extent... it's scary.


Well I guess a farking idiot troll as stupid as you would interpret it that way.
 
2012-11-15 03:31:45 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: bulsd: Just play the music i'm looking for.

It's not Pandora's fault you're using it wrong.


12349876: bulsd: Just play the music i'm looking for.

The thumbs up/thumbs down really helps. It might take a while, but I think for me it's gotten the message that I don't want movie soundtracks on my classical stations.




I have been using the Thumbs UP/Down buttons. But i really like starting the program each day to Billy Joel - So it Goes, on what should be a Channel about Ben Folds. Or FloRida on a channel Labeled The Lonely Island Channel.

Maybe it's just me and i'm using it wrong, but if i Ask for Ben Folds, why would i get Elton John and Billy Joel? I understand Regina Spector, as she does duets with him, but I don't see BJ/EJ. Maybe i'm just to simplistic.

I like Mumford and Sons, but what relation does that have to Dave Matthews Band?

Yes i know The Lonely Island is Rap/ HIp Hop, but its more comedy than that, otherwise i wouldn't get Daniel Tosh and Flight of the Concords.
 
2012-11-15 03:45:13 PM  

reverend maynard: imfallen_angel: reverend maynard: imfallen_angel: reverend maynard: /Indeed.

That's like defending yourself over stating that you'd love a good kick in the nads, even though you don't see the appeal of it.

Double entente is tricky that way.

But hey, if it rocks your balls, good for you I guess.

You can't be serious? There is no double entendre there at all. Your example is both weak and ridiculous. How can you not differentiate between liking something yourself and understanding how others might find it appealing? Especially with something as subjective as music.
Hell I might not like the KKK, but I can understand how a child brought up by two white supremacist dikwads can find their views appealing.

So now you're in acceptance of people burning crosses and hanging humans because of their skin colour. Wow, I knew Celine Dion did bad things to people, but to this extent... it's scary.

Well I guess a farking idiot troll as stupid as you would interpret it that way.


hehehe... so now we have name calling instead of a calm and mature discussion, maybe if you'd take time to listen to some Billy, it might mellow you out?

Sorry for the butt-hurt here, but comparing Billy Joel to Celine Dion is like comparing a nice Black forest cake to a deposit from a dog on a lawn. And that's regardless if you're a fan of either or neither.

Billy Joel has inspired many artist, set a style that many mimic, has done many songs that have impacted many. Celine Dion has done nothing but prove that you can be a talentless harpy and still have people ready to gobble it down because it makes them feel "hip" to listen to something that can only appeal to the preppy, fake and shallow.

That's like anyone that believes that they "know" opera because they listen to the screeching of Sara Brightman and Andrea "I'll miss the notes but no one cares because I'm blind" Bocelli.

Just don't compare someone that writes his own song, has won more awards than most, has the ability to sing properly without autotune, to someone that simply shouldn't have gotten where they are, all due to the preppy crowd.
 
2012-11-15 04:52:27 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I'll just be over here, continuing to download music for free directly from Youtube...


I take it you don't enjoy music? How the hell can you stand to listen to such a compressed low quality version of the song?
 
2012-11-15 05:18:19 PM  
They are not in Kansas anymore.
 
2012-11-15 05:18:33 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: TXEric: The My Little Pony Killer: I'll just be over here, continuing to download music for free directly from Youtube...

I have been wondering about this.
You've piqued my interest...

/EIP
//(not for genitalia... unless you're a chick, that is...)

You've been wondering about how to google for "youtube audio downloader?"


Heh... thanks.

/Been busy...
 
2012-11-15 05:48:52 PM  
Rihanna's a musician?
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2012-11-15 05:52:47 PM  

theorellior: Coldplay, however, is sitting back smug and happy.

I swear, you start a new channel on Pandora and you'll get a Coldplay song within a dozen selections. The only channels this didn't happen for me were my Beethoven channel and my James Brown channel. Other channels--bang, Coldplay. Seeds as diverse as Ozric Tentacles, Sleater Kinney, Fatboy Slim and Missing Persons.

Coldplay farking sucks.


I have the problem with Jack Johnson. I'm liberal with my "I'm tired of this track" with his sings. I wish Pandora had a "This artist bugs me for no rational reason, block him from my account".
 
2012-11-15 06:14:31 PM  

Disposable Rob: utsagrad123: BullBearMS: Interesting that the article fails to spell out the different rates assessed to various forms of digital radio.

Satellite radio pays about 7.5% of revenue in royalties
Cable company music channels pay about 15% of revenue in royalties
Pandora pays more than 50% of revenue in royalties

Citation needed.

/ Not calling you a liar, just curious where those stats come from.

I wonder why Pandora might be paying so much of their revenue in royalties?

Satellite radio subscription: $15-$18 a month
Cable music: minimum $15-$20 a month, usually as part of a larger package
Pandora subscription: Free-$4 a month


Pretty much this. 50% of revenue is a highly misleading number. Average cost/royalty per song is a much better metric.
 
2012-11-15 07:24:07 PM  

The Banana Thug: I wonder why Pandora might be paying so much of their revenue in royalties?

Satellite radio subscription: $15-$18 a month
Cable music: minimum $15-$20 a month, usually as part of a larger package
Pandora subscription: Free-$4 a month

Pretty much this. 50% of revenue is a highly misleading number. Average cost/royalty per song is a much better metric.


Except for the part where the difference is due to the fact that different kinds of radio pay fees based on entirely different laws.

Traditional AM/FM Radio pays no fees whatsoever to labels or artists.
Satellite/Cable pays based on one legal theory.
Internet Radio pays much higher fees based on an entirely different legal theory.
 
2012-11-15 09:17:24 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: 12349876: bulsd: Just play the music i'm looking for.

The thumbs up/thumbs down really helps. It might take a while, but I think for me it's gotten the message that I don't want movie soundtracks on my classical stations.

Hate that.

If I don't want to hear a song right now, I can never hear it again on that channel. Seems dumb.


They have a setting for that now. Try "I'm tired of this track" (not thumbs down) and it will skip it for awhile without actually removing it from your rotation. Very handy.
 
2012-11-16 12:30:01 AM  

dj_spanmaster: The letter, with list of artists

Michael W. Smith and Amy Grant are on there, so you know shiat's serious.


This is the oddest mix of has beens.
 
2012-11-16 02:48:40 PM  

BullBearMS: Interesting that the article fails to spell out the different rates assessed to various forms of digital radio.

Satellite radio pays about 7.5% of revenue in royalties
Cable company music channels pay about 15% of revenue in royalties
Pandora pays more than 50% of revenue in royalties


Ok, that is excessive, and the artists should be ashamed of themselves. There is no way to justify a 50% royalty on anything. If this bill is intended to put Pandora's royalty fees on par with other media outlets, then only a greedy douche would oppose such a move.
 
2012-11-17 06:21:18 PM  
This is actually a good bill because the current statutory royalty scheme for online music badly distorts the market. Free market people should consider the bill an improvement. The sponsor in the Senate is Wyden (D-OR) and the co-sponsors in the House include upstart Jason Chaffetz (R-UT). Wyden (a liberal) and Chaffetz (a Tea Party budget hawk) have collaborated in the past especially in the area of trying to make the fed agencies more accountable and transparent about surveillance.
 
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