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2012-11-15 09:18:37 AM
So...the GOP is really seriously deciding not to go hard right?

Crazy.
 
2012-11-15 09:27:21 AM

xanadian: So...the GOP is really seriously deciding not to go hard right?

Crazy.


I'll believe it when I see it.

They said the tea party wouldn't be about social issues or hard right ideas in other areas, and once they got into office it was 'ABORTION ABORTION RAPE RAPE ABORTION ABORTION" all the time.
 
2012-11-15 09:33:11 AM
I wonder if Rogers is sane. Price is as bad or worse than Bachman. I guess as long as they keep the nutjobs in power it's good for the dems and Jon Stewart.
 
2012-11-15 09:38:07 AM
I blame Obama.
 
2012-11-15 09:47:14 AM
"Our house is on fire! Quick, we need to throw gasoline on it to blow out the flames!"
 
2012-11-15 10:27:51 AM

hubiestubert: "Our house is on fire! Quick, we need to throw gasoline on it to blow out the flames!"


There was an episode of Gilligan's Island where they used a bomb to put out a volcano. So there's that.
 
2012-11-15 10:47:30 AM

xanadian: So...the GOP is really seriously deciding not to go hard right?

Crazy.


I wouldn't bet on that. There's very little indication so far that this short window of clarity by *some* members of the GOP will 1) spread to the general electorate and/or 2) persist longer than the lame duck session (if even that long).
 
2012-11-15 11:49:55 AM

Aarontology: xanadian: So...the GOP is really seriously deciding not to go hard right?

Crazy.

I'll believe it when I see it.

They said the tea party wouldn't be about social issues or hard right ideas in other areas, and once they got into office it was 'ABORTION ABORTION RAPE RAPE ABORTION ABORTION" all the time.


Oh yeah, I know I'm not holding my breath...
 
2012-11-15 11:55:17 AM

mrshowrules: hubiestubert: "Our house is on fire! Quick, we need to throw gasoline on it to blow out the flames!"

There was an episode of Gilligan's Island where they used a bomb to put out a volcano. So there's that.


They had a professor on that show, though, and we all know what the conservative base thinks of snooty egg-headed intellectuals.
 
2012-11-15 11:57:00 AM
We need to go derper!
 
2012-11-15 11:59:45 AM

oldernell: I wonder if Rogers is sane. Price is as bad or worse than Bachman. I guess as long as they keep the nutjobs in power it's good for the dems and Jon Stewart.


She's (relatively) sane. Her victory is a decent sign that the Boehner faction is consolidating control, which (believe it or not) is a good thing for Democrats.

/Well, it's a good thing relative to the alternative
 
2012-11-15 12:00:29 PM
Who is Paul Ryan and why do we care about him?
 
M-G
2012-11-15 12:01:58 PM

El Uno Magnifico: She's (relatively) sane. Her victory is a decent sign that the Boehner faction is consolidating control, which (believe it or not) is a good thing for Democrats.


It would be handy if the Boehner faction could all be orange for easy identification.
 
2012-11-15 12:02:25 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Who is Paul Ryan and why do we care about him?


He's the actor who makes that awesome marinara sauce.
 
2012-11-15 12:03:03 PM
People who never met the guy probably just assumed he was smart and capable because that was the narrative surrounding him but then he was in the public spotlight and whoa, wait a minute this guy is a jackass a pathological liar, a douchebag and comes off as fairly stupid... his wife is pretty though.
 
2012-11-15 12:04:17 PM
a falling mirror storm

I lol'd
 
2012-11-15 12:08:25 PM

M-G: El Uno Magnifico: She's (relatively) sane. Her victory is a decent sign that the Boehner faction is consolidating control, which (believe it or not) is a good thing for Democrats.

It would be handy if the Boehner faction could all be orange for easy identification.


They're already easily identifiable. Just follow the trail of tears.
 
2012-11-15 12:08:48 PM

Headso: his wife is pretty though.


She's got a smile that says, "Help me, please! Help meeeeeeeeeeee!"
 
2012-11-15 12:09:18 PM
Apparently he lost his home town by just over 10 points. Fortunately for him there were enough Republican votes from outside of Janesville that he still won his district. This has not been a good year for Paul Ryan.
 
2012-11-15 12:14:48 PM
Well, the GOP does love to have a token or two in positions of prominence.

latimesblogs.latimes.com
 
2012-11-15 12:15:17 PM
I expect no less than a further move to the right from these people. Clearly, they just were not conservative enough.

I predict an even larger, louder, and angrier level of derp in the near future.

They lost seat in both houses. Derpier is the most likely response to that.

This will be an ugly 4 years.
 
2012-11-15 12:17:09 PM

Aarontology: xanadian: So...the GOP is really seriously deciding not to go hard right?

Crazy.

I'll believe it when I see it.

They said the tea party wouldn't be about social issues or hard right ideas in other areas, and once they got into office it was 'ABORTION ABORTION RAPE RAPE ABORTION ABORTION" all the time.


That's exactly what happened in Wisconsin, the Republicans can't hold any meeting or jobs summit without it degenerating into legislating social issues (hurr derr abortion!) within 5 minutes. They simply can't stay away from them.
 
2012-11-15 12:18:48 PM
My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.
 
2012-11-15 12:27:46 PM

BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.


Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.
 
2012-11-15 12:28:44 PM

xanadian: So...the GOP is really seriously deciding not to go hard right?


Don't fool yourself...she's full-derp on spending cuts, taxes, abortion and gays. But she is willing to bend on immigration to assure a steady supply of low-wage brown people to work the fields.

Citizenship? Not so much.
 
2012-11-15 12:33:50 PM

FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.


Oh, I'm not discouraging them at all. All I can think is: "please, please spend vast amounts of time, money, and energy trying to make Ryan's run happen." Ryan's horrible, his nomination would be a bigger gift than Romney's nomination was.
 
2012-11-15 12:34:57 PM

FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.


I don't know who the Democratic nominee will be in 2016, but it won't be either of those two. They will both be too old to run, and Hillary in particular is in full-on "I'm out of here suckers" retirement mode (slightly delayed due to the Libya stuff).
 
2012-11-15 12:38:55 PM

BlueSouth: FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.

Oh, I'm not discouraging them at all. All I can think is: "please, please spend vast amounts of time, money, and energy trying to make Ryan's run happen." Ryan's horrible, his nomination would be a bigger gift than Romney's nomination was.


It will be Ryan's "turn" in 2016. The Republicans always nominate the guy who's "turn" it is. Usually that's the guy who came in second in the primaries, but even the Republicans aren't crazy enough to actually nominate Gingrich or Santorum, so the mantle will fall to Ryan.
 
2012-11-15 12:47:12 PM

Geotpf: BlueSouth: FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.

Oh, I'm not discouraging them at all. All I can think is: "please, please spend vast amounts of time, money, and energy trying to make Ryan's run happen." Ryan's horrible, his nomination would be a bigger gift than Romney's nomination was.

It will be Ryan's "turn" in 2016. The Republicans always nominate the guy who's "turn" it is. Usually that's the guy who came in second in the primaries, but even the Republicans aren't crazy enough to actually nominate Gingrich or Santorum, so the mantle will fall to Ryan.


I wish I shared your faith.
 
2012-11-15 12:47:43 PM

Geotpf: BlueSouth: FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.

Oh, I'm not discouraging them at all. All I can think is: "please, please spend vast amounts of time, money, and energy trying to make Ryan's run happen." Ryan's horrible, his nomination would be a bigger gift than Romney's nomination was.

It will be Ryan's "turn" in 2016. The Republicans always nominate the guy who's "turn" it is. Usually that's the guy who came in second in the primaries, but even the Republicans aren't crazy enough to actually nominate Gingrich or Santorum, so the mantle will fall to Ryan.


No, I don't think that's how it will play out. The saner wing of the GOP skipped this election because they knew it was a lost cause. Now that they have started the course correction of bringing the party back to center we'll see jockeying by the interested parties trying to position themselves as able to bring fresh blood and ideas to the party; think Jindal's refutation of Romney's "sour grapes" conference call. This is really very good for the country as the likes of Jindal, Christie, Portman, and such try to find legislative compromises that they can point to in 2016 as evidence of their ability to lead.
 
2012-11-15 12:51:04 PM

xanadian: So...the GOP is really seriously deciding not to go hard right?

Crazy.


Wait until the 2014 primaries.
 
2012-11-15 12:51:26 PM
Price is my representative. Is anyone on the thread knowledgeable about etiquette? Would it be rude for me to send him a card that reads "Ha-ha!"
 
2012-11-15 01:22:16 PM

LucklessWonder: Geotpf: BlueSouth: FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.

Oh, I'm not discouraging them at all. All I can think is: "please, please spend vast amounts of time, money, and energy trying to make Ryan's run happen." Ryan's horrible, his nomination would be a bigger gift than Romney's nomination was.

It will be Ryan's "turn" in 2016. The Republicans always nominate the guy who's "turn" it is. Usually that's the guy who came in second in the primaries, but even the Republicans aren't crazy enough to actually nominate Gingrich or Santorum, so the mantle will fall to Ryan.

I wish I shared your faith.


Faith? I hope it happens.

Ryan was a failure in a colossal failure of a campaign. He had his turn and blew it.

Here are the idiots that are waiting in the wings, and it will be hilarious to see which douche bag the clueless GOP pukes out:

Jeb Bush or Rick Santorum.
 
2012-11-15 01:33:32 PM

Geotpf: FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.

I don't know who the Democratic nominee will be in 2016, but it won't be either of those two. They will both be too old to run, and Hillary in particular is in full-on "I'm out of here suckers" retirement mode (slightly delayed due to the Libya stuff).


Don't underestimate how power-hungry she is.

She won't get nominated because she's un-electable and would cause a bunch of democrats to reject their party, just like Palin did for the republicans.
 
2012-11-15 02:12:45 PM
RON PAUL? Libertarian-leaning?

Yeah. Vaginas evidently are state property. And old white guys like RON PAUL know how to run vaginas better than the members of the masses that actually have vaginas. You know, those women who will have to pay $300,000 to raise one unwanted child. Ah, sweet liberty.
 
2012-11-15 02:16:14 PM
Be fair. Black cats are WAY cooler than Paul Ryan.
 
2012-11-15 02:18:11 PM
Oops. WRONG THREAD!
 
2012-11-15 02:25:14 PM

Geotpf: FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.

I don't know who the Democratic nominee will be in 2016, but it won't be either of those two. They will both be too old to run, and Hillary in particular is in full-on "I'm out of here suckers" retirement mode (slightly delayed due to the Libya stuff).


Why does everyone keep saying Hillary will be too old in 2016? I never heard that argument used against Mittens. "We can't elect him because he'll be too old for reelection in 2016." They are the same age.
 
2012-11-15 03:14:51 PM

redqueenmeg: Geotpf: FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.

I don't know who the Democratic nominee will be in 2016, but it won't be either of those two. They will both be too old to run, and Hillary in particular is in full-on "I'm out of here suckers" retirement mode (slightly delayed due to the Libya stuff).

Why does everyone keep saying Hillary will be too old in 2016? I never heard that argument used against Mittens. "We can't elect him because he'll be too old for reelection in 2016." They are the same age.


Election and re-election are two different things.
 
2012-11-15 03:30:24 PM

lilbjorn: Well, the GOP does love to have a token or two in positions of prominence.

[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 320x240]


Yeah, but they still treat him like a servant with all the water they expect him to carry.
 
2012-11-15 05:02:25 PM
Hilary's negatives are too high, she'd never make it. Hello, she was beaten by a barely known Senator in '08. And I hate to break the news to her fans, but she has all of the charisma of a wet towel.

On the GOP side, they're already getting a huge crush on Rubio, though he's liklier the veep end of the ticket. I'm sure Portman and Daniels are thinking about it.

.Between now and '16 Ryan will open his mouth about gutting Social Security and Medicare, and that'll kill his chances. Santorum won't be able to raise any money, he only ran this time as a stalking horse for Mitt to put down Gingrich.
 
2012-11-15 05:16:10 PM

jafiwam: Geotpf: FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.

I don't know who the Democratic nominee will be in 2016, but it won't be either of those two. They will both be too old to run, and Hillary in particular is in full-on "I'm out of here suckers" retirement mode (slightly delayed due to the Libya stuff).

Don't underestimate how power-hungry she is.

She won't get nominated because she's un-electable and would cause a bunch of democrats to reject their party, just like Palin did for the republicans.


I don't really understand the hatred of Hillary Clinton.

She seems moderate and intelligent. Well I suppose that explains the 'conservative' hatred of her but not the dislike from liberals.
 
2012-11-15 05:19:39 PM

BlueSouth: Geotpf: BlueSouth: FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.

Oh, I'm not discouraging them at all. All I can think is: "please, please spend vast amounts of time, money, and energy trying to make Ryan's run happen." Ryan's horrible, his nomination would be a bigger gift than Romney's nomination was.

It will be Ryan's "turn" in 2016. The Republicans always nominate the guy who's "turn" it is. Usually that's the guy who came in second in the primaries, but even the Republicans aren't crazy enough to actually nominate Gingrich or Santorum, so the mantle will fall to Ryan.

No, I don't think that's how it will play out. The saner wing of the GOP skipped this election because they knew it was a lost cause. Now that they have started the course correction of bringing the party back to center we'll see jockeying by the interested parties trying to position themselves as able to bring fresh blood and ideas to the party; think Jindal's refutation of Romney's "sour grapes" conference call. This is really very good for the country as the likes of Jindal, Christie, Portman, and such try to find legislative compromises that they can point to in 2016 as evidence of their ability to lead.


What I wonder is how much negotiating- or was it a favor because he lost soooo badly- the saner (R)s had to make to get Rmoney to say those things.
Not that I don't believe Rmoney meant what he said- but what was the purpose? What was there to gain?
Except a way to make Bobby J look good.
Which isn't easy.
But he has darker skin. Maybe us Anti-Anglo whites that voted for the blah guy will come back with a guy like Jindal running for Vp or P.
 
2012-11-15 05:26:11 PM

jafiwam: Geotpf: FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.

I don't know who the Democratic nominee will be in 2016, but it won't be either of those two. They will both be too old to run, and Hillary in particular is in full-on "I'm out of here suckers" retirement mode (slightly delayed due to the Libya stuff).

Don't underestimate how power-hungry she is.

She won't get nominated because she's un-electable and would cause a bunch of democrats to reject their party, just like Palin did for the republicans.


Wrong.
She's done a pretty good job abroad for the US, besides that crazy outburst when she mistook some question to be about Billy's infidelity.
I rejected her earlier but she has won some confidence from me.

I still never approved of her f'ed up attempt at healthcare reform (thanks so much, dumbasses) and I still think if you mess with her family, you're in big trouble.

And that moving into NY thing. But, she wasn't the first and won't be the last to pretend to put roots down somewhere so you can run for office.
 
2012-11-15 05:26:32 PM

redqueenmeg: Be fair. Black cats are WAY cooler than Paul Ryan.


Are you serious? Paul Ryan is a real far gone cat. Sometimes he has his baseball cap on backwards.

au.eonline.com
 
2012-11-15 11:43:13 PM

HeartBurnKid: redqueenmeg: Geotpf: FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.

I don't know who the Democratic nominee will be in 2016, but it won't be either of those two. They will both be too old to run, and Hillary in particular is in full-on "I'm out of here suckers" retirement mode (slightly delayed due to the Libya stuff).

Why does everyone keep saying Hillary will be too old in 2016? I never heard that argument used against Mittens. "We can't elect him because he'll be too old for reelection in 2016." They are the same age.

Election and re-election are two different things.


Thank you. I wouldn't have known. My point stands. If she's too old to run in 2016, so would Mitt have been.
 
2012-11-15 11:43:49 PM

kg2095: redqueenmeg: Be fair. Black cats are WAY cooler than Paul Ryan.

Are you serious? Paul Ryan is a real far gone cat. Sometimes he has his baseball cap on backwards.

[au.eonline.com image 560x415]


Trust me. I have a black cat and she is so much cooler than this guy it's not even funny.
 
2012-11-16 01:43:38 AM
I like how the Teatard wing is getting slapped around now that getting elected isn't a concern. But by October 2016, they'll be "vital to the Republican victory" and "the foundation of REAL America". It's like battered wife syndrome, but I'm rooting for the husband who lifts weights.
 
2012-11-16 07:34:07 AM

kg2095: jafiwam: Geotpf: FishyFred: BlueSouth: My Republican friends have spent all week telling me that Romney's mistake was not allowing Ryan, and budget, have more prominence in the race. Seeing Ryan's influence wane pleases me greatly. Sadly, these same people are already placing orders for their "Ryan 2016" bumper sticker.

Let them. It will just make it easier for Hillary or Biden in 2016.

I don't know who the Democratic nominee will be in 2016, but it won't be either of those two. They will both be too old to run, and Hillary in particular is in full-on "I'm out of here suckers" retirement mode (slightly delayed due to the Libya stuff).

Don't underestimate how power-hungry she is.

She won't get nominated because she's un-electable and would cause a bunch of democrats to reject their party, just like Palin did for the republicans.

I don't really understand the hatred of Hillary Clinton.

She seems moderate and intelligent. Well I suppose that explains the 'conservative' hatred of her but not the dislike from liberals.




Strong, intelligent women scare the GOP.
 
2012-11-16 03:16:45 PM

BlueSouth: Geotpf: BlueSouth: FishyFred: BlueSouth:

It will be Ryan's "turn" in 2016. The Republicans always nominate the guy who's "turn" it is. Usually that's the guy who came in second in the primaries, but even the Republicans aren't crazy enough to actually nominate Gingrich or Santorum, so the mantle will fall to Ryan.

No, I don't think that's how it will play out. The saner wing of the GOP skipped this election because they knew it was a lost cause. Now that they have started the course correction of bringing the party back to center....


I feel bad for laughing uproariously at that.

Sowwy.
 
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