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(ZDNet)   Microsoft's boss has thrown more fuel on the fire that the company will develop more hardware, as it seeks to expand its range of services to Surface-like devices, while continuing to lose money and market share   (zdnet.com) divider line 15
    More: Stupid, Microsoft, market share, lion's shares, mobile software, Ballmer, U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission  
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574 clicks; posted to Business » on 15 Nov 2012 at 9:01 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-11-15 09:03:05 AM  
My next computer is going to be an Apple, for sure.
 
2012-11-15 09:10:56 AM  
From TFA:

even the Nokia Symbian and Samsung's Bada platform remains ahead of Microsoft's mobile software


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Seriously, though: why the HELL didn't MS just buy Nokia outright if they want to get into the hardware
business? They already have a sleeper agent in place as the CEO, ferchrissakes.
 
2012-11-15 10:12:07 AM  
It's a flawed assumption that Apple is currently successful because of tightly controlling hardware and software. They've always done that, and until recently, they've never had more than a few percent of the market - because the market was PCs. They're currently successful because they evolved the iPod into the iPhone and the iPad, and mobile/tablet devices are supplanting PCs for many users and uses.

Now that the market is including mobile devices, having a tightly-controlled single-vendor supply chain is not a winning strategy. Android is kicking Windows up and down the street because it is open and multi-vendor.

From that article: Android is winning, partly because it represents what Windows used to represent: flexibility.

It may seem a bit unfair to say "used to" there, but it's really not. Microsoft has been very clear that starting with Windows 8, it now wants to control its app ecosystem Apple-style.
 
2012-11-15 10:13:27 AM  
How can they be losing market share in a market they just now entered?
 
2012-11-15 10:16:10 AM  
With the loss of Jobs, Apple is obviously faultering.

Microsoft clearly doesn't know what to do with itself.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the tech world. The world could be ripe for a entrepeneur to take root and move these giants aside.
 
2012-11-15 10:16:45 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: How can they be losing market share in a market they just now entered?


They sent out a bunch of free review copies that are being returned?
 
2012-11-15 10:18:00 AM  

syrynxx: It's a flawed assumption that Apple is currently successful because of tightly controlling hardware and software. They've always done that, and until recently, they've never had more than a few percent of the market - because the market was PCs. They're currently successful because they evolved the iPod into the iPhone and the iPad, and mobile/tablet devices are supplanting PCs for many users and uses.

Now that the market is including mobile devices, having a tightly-controlled single-vendor supply chain is not a winning strategy. Android is kicking Windows up and down the street because it is open and multi-vendor.

From that article: Android is winning, partly because it represents what Windows used to represent: flexibility.

It may seem a bit unfair to say "used to" there, but it's really not. Microsoft has been very clear that starting with Windows 8, it now wants to control its app ecosystem Apple-style.


All of this.

Apple is where they are now for being very early (though rarely first) to market with reliable products and marketing the ever living sh*t out of their stuff. They basically blitzkrieged the market. However, their position is far from secure and their old closed-system bad habits (which never went away) will ultimately drag them back to where they started (unless they find whole new markets to attack).

Microsoft would be smart to imitate Apple's approach to design and marketing. They'd be asinine to imitate the closed system.
 
2012-11-15 10:19:04 AM  

Carth: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: How can they be losing market share in a market they just now entered?

They sent out a bunch of free review copies that are being returned?


It was a rhetorical question. The headline makes no sense.
 
2012-11-15 10:24:04 AM  

syrynxx: It's a flawed assumption that Apple is currently successful because of tightly controlling hardware and software. They've always done that, and until recently, they've never had more than a few percent of the market - because the market was PCs. They're currently successful because they evolved the iPod into the iPhone and the iPad, and mobile/tablet devices are supplanting PCs for many users and uses.

Now that the market is including mobile devices, having a tightly-controlled single-vendor supply chain is not a winning strategy. Android is kicking Windows up and down the street because it is open and multi-vendor.

From that article: Android is winning, partly because it represents what Windows used to represent: flexibility.

It may seem a bit unfair to say "used to" there, but it's really not. Microsoft has been very clear that starting with Windows 8, it now wants to control its app ecosystem Apple-style.


well in all fairness they're chasing after Apple and not Android, and Apple was always the odd-one-out in the phone business... if anything, Android is more of a homogenization of the phone business pre-iPhone

but yeah, despite putting out great products, they're stuck in a niche
 
2012-11-15 11:59:37 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: How can they be losing market share in a market they just now entered?


I guess you underestimate Microsoft's advances in quantum market mechanics, they can be both entering one market and simultaneously be losing another market like OS installs. I think the headline was accidentally the whole thing'ed.
 
2012-11-15 12:22:42 PM  

syrynxx: Now that the market is including mobile devices, having a tightly-controlled single-vendor supply chain is not a winning strategy. Android is kicking Windows up and down the street because it is open and multi-vendor.


Android is succeeding for one vendor and one vendor only. Samsung. No one else has been able to make any real profits with Android or has delivered on its so called promise of "openness" (which is complete bullshiat). The irony is that Microsoft makes more from Android than Google does.

/there are only two mobile companies in the world now - Samsung and Apple
 
2012-11-15 01:35:05 PM  
i151.photobucket.com

Especially after all this Petreaus scandal stuff... doesn't this graphic strike anyone as highly suggestive?

Just me?
 
2012-11-15 06:05:51 PM  
Please buy AMD
 
2012-11-15 08:02:43 PM  

T-Servo: [i151.photobucket.com image 348x215]

Especially after all this Petreaus scandal stuff... doesn't this graphic strike anyone as highly suggestive?

Just me?


i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-15 11:54:47 PM  
Ha! It's funny 'cause none of their products have ever been successful.
 
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