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2012-11-15 08:46:50 AM
What about his inability to perform his own material for years because of signing a shiatty deal with his record label, and the lawsuit he fought because he wrote a song that sounded like his own song?
 
2012-11-15 10:01:35 AM
his unique song writing ability

Really? About 75% of their hits are covers.
 
2012-11-15 10:03:05 AM
Can we stop calling musicians "hit-makers"? Something about it really grates on my nerves.
 
2012-11-15 10:06:14 AM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Can we stop calling musicians "hit-makers"? Something about it really grates on my nerves.


Word! I also hate the trend among "journalists" to refer to a music celeb as "the (song title) singer."
 
2012-11-15 10:06:32 AM

The Muthaship: his unique song writing ability

Really? About 75% of their hits are covers.


...and by "75%", you mean three: Suzy Q, I Put A Spell On You, and I Heard It Through The Grapevine.

The other dozen or more were all written by John Fogerty.
 
2012-11-15 10:12:16 AM
Not only is John Fogerty a great song writer, but he can get it out of the sand trap like nobody's business.
 
2012-11-15 10:13:35 AM
Midnight Special
 
2012-11-15 10:17:56 AM
When I was first learning to play guitar, my dad primarily played 2 records over and over: CCR's Cosmo's Factory and the first Black Sabbath album.

God, I love my dad.

We still jam those tunes together to this day.
 
2012-11-15 10:18:55 AM

The Muthaship: Midnight Special


They took a song from the 20's and made it a hit.

Let me introduce you to Eric Clapton and Led Zeppelin.
 
2012-11-15 10:20:13 AM

genepool lifeboat: Let me introduce you to Eric Clapton and Led Zeppelin.


No thanks, already met them.

/for the record, I was kidding a little.
//he wrote lots of good songs
///but seriously, f*ck Eric Clapton
 
2012-11-15 10:22:53 AM

The Muthaship: /for the record, I was kidding a little.


Knowing Fark, I should have figured.
 
2012-11-15 10:26:14 AM
images.starpulse.com

Looks like a Harrison Ford/ David Lee Roth hybrid.
 
2012-11-15 10:32:31 AM
I guess his mother is dead and he can trash Tom's memory without guilt.
 
2012-11-15 10:36:47 AM
And speaking of the members of Creedence Clearwater Revival, here's the best CCR album that wasn't...

api.ning.com
 
2012-11-15 10:37:20 AM
I was never a huge Creedence fan, but I saw John on the first tour he did where he started playing Creedence material again. Guy put on a DAMN good show.
 
2012-11-15 10:37:54 AM
Former Creedence Clearwater Revival frontman John Fogerty is to lift the lid on the tensions which tore the band apart in the 1970s after signing a deal to put the whole story down in print.

The veteran rocker is preparing to write his memoirs and he has confirmed the book will detail the bitter feud between the bandmates which led to their split in 1972, the fallout with his record company, and his personal struggles in the aftermath of the band's demise.


The short version:

John Fogerty is a good songwriter and arranger (Re: the cover songs The Muthaship referenced - btw Mutha, in the 1960s most record labels mandated artists to do covers for easy hits, and as part of the contract. See "That Thing You Do" for reference to this.). Fogerty's brother Dan wasn't so great, but still a solid musician so they formed a band with two other guys, who were also solid at what they did, but weren't great songwriters either. Fogerty could also be a prick and made the band record only his compositions (And the covers they recorded to make the label happy), and had them rehearse meticulously everyday. This achieved huge success, but totally burned out the band in a short amount of time, because rehearse/write/record/tour over and over for six years is exhausting.

While Fogerty was a great songwriter, his bandmates and he were terrible businessmen, and like a lot of artists from that era, they got snookered by the label. So they saw little of the money they should've made from all those hit records. This and all the other stuff about Fogerty being a dictator lead to the "Mardi Gras" record, where the other three guys finally got a shot to write their own songs. That record bombed (Though Fogerty kind of set it up to fail, honestly), the band broke up soon after, and all three of them hated Fogerty thereafter. Dan even died in the 1970s and never reconciled with John.

The even shorter version:

Fogerty's brilliant but a giant dick, the label f*cked dumb musicians out of their money, and everyone still hates each other for sh*t that happened back in the 1960s.
 
2012-11-15 10:43:19 AM

verbaltoxin: Former Creedence Clearwater Revival frontman John Fogerty is to lift the lid on the tensions which tore the band apart in the 1970s after signing a deal to put the whole story down in print.

The veteran rocker is preparing to write his memoirs and he has confirmed the book will detail the bitter feud between the bandmates which led to their split in 1972, the fallout with his record company, and his personal struggles in the aftermath of the band's demise.

The short version:

John Fogerty is a good songwriter and arranger (Re: the cover songs The Muthaship referenced - btw Mutha, in the 1960s most record labels mandated artists to do covers for easy hits, and as part of the contract. See "That Thing You Do" for reference to this.). Fogerty's brother Dan wasn't so great, but still a solid musician so they formed a band with two other guys, who were also solid at what they did, but weren't great songwriters either. Fogerty could also be a prick and made the band record only his compositions (And the covers they recorded to make the label happy), and had them rehearse meticulously everyday. This achieved huge success, but totally burned out the band in a short amount of time, because rehearse/write/record/tour over and over for six years is exhausting.

While Fogerty was a great songwriter, his bandmates and he were terrible businessmen, and like a lot of artists from that era, they got snookered by the label. So they saw little of the money they should've made from all those hit records. This and all the other stuff about Fogerty being a dictator lead to the "Mardi Gras" record, where the other three guys finally got a shot to write their own songs. That record bombed (Though Fogerty kind of set it up to fail, honestly), the band broke up soon after, and all three of them hated Fogerty thereafter. Dan even died in the 1970s and never reconciled with John.

The even shorter version:

Fogerty's brilliant but a giant dick, the label f*cked dumb musicians out of their ...


Dan is Tom, and died in 1990 from AIDS related complications.

Although they were mostly estranged, CCR reunited in 1980 to play at Tom's wedding reception.
 
2012-11-15 10:48:08 AM
Belongs in the pantheon of all-time great artists and major douches. Basically destroyed his relationship with his brother and bandmates because they wouldn't join him on his quixotic quest to spend his life suing Fantasy Records. Fogerty is such a dick that he expected his brother Tom, who was on his deathbed in the final stages of cancer, to apologize to him for not supporting his lawsuit efforts.
 
2012-11-15 10:53:24 AM

FirstNationalBastard: verbaltoxin: Former Creedence Clearwater Revival frontman John Fogerty is to lift the lid on the tensions which tore the band apart in the 1970s after signing a deal to put the whole story down in print.

The veteran rocker is preparing to write his memoirs and he has confirmed the book will detail the bitter feud between the bandmates which led to their split in 1972, the fallout with his record company, and his personal struggles in the aftermath of the band's demise.

The short version:

John Fogerty is a good songwriter and arranger (Re: the cover songs The Muthaship referenced - btw Mutha, in the 1960s most record labels mandated artists to do covers for easy hits, and as part of the contract. See "That Thing You Do" for reference to this.). Fogerty's brother Dan wasn't so great, but still a solid musician so they formed a band with two other guys, who were also solid at what they did, but weren't great songwriters either. Fogerty could also be a prick and made the band record only his compositions (And the covers they recorded to make the label happy), and had them rehearse meticulously everyday. This achieved huge success, but totally burned out the band in a short amount of time, because rehearse/write/record/tour over and over for six years is exhausting.

While Fogerty was a great songwriter, his bandmates and he were terrible businessmen, and like a lot of artists from that era, they got snookered by the label. So they saw little of the money they should've made from all those hit records. This and all the other stuff about Fogerty being a dictator lead to the "Mardi Gras" record, where the other three guys finally got a shot to write their own songs. That record bombed (Though Fogerty kind of set it up to fail, honestly), the band broke up soon after, and all three of them hated Fogerty thereafter. Dan even died in the 1970s and never reconciled with John.

The even shorter version:

Fogerty's brilliant but a giant dick, the label f*cked dumb musicians o ...


Crap, yeah I confused him with Dan Fogelberg. He's dead too.
 
2012-11-15 10:57:42 AM

verbaltoxin:

The even shorter version:

Fogerty's brilliant but a giant dick, the label f*cked dumb musicians out of their money, and everyone still hates each other for sh*t that happened back in the 1960s.


Yeah, I've been following that feud since the 70s and it's one of the saddest in rock, which sets the bar pretty high. John is a major talent and one of rock's classic songwriters but, jeeze, dude, give it a rest.

Even Steven Stills and Neil Young eventually realized that Life Is Too Short and more-or-less made up. Stills can be a massive tool as well, but apparently his failing health has made him adopt a little humility.

/he got the voices speaking riddles
 
2012-11-15 11:07:10 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Stills can be a massive tool as well, but apparently his failing health has made him adopt a little humility.


I was wondering how someone could look at Stiils and Young and then pronounce Stills to be the tool. Then I saw your login.

/I keed
 
2012-11-15 11:07:22 AM
He seems like a cool guy and plays a pretty good guitar but I don't like CCR at all and his 80s solo stuff sucked ass.

CCR sounds like music for dumb people. I can't explain it. something about their sound, the basic-ness of the riffs or just, i don't know, the sound they make, just makes me think of dumb people. worst offender being 'DOwn On The Corner". That opening riff is like, GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. THeir music bothers me.

and I can't stand "Centerfield". That opening riff hurts my ears. and the way he sings. I guess you could call it passionate but he's screaming all the lyrics. YOU GOT TO HIDE-HIDE-HIDE! YOU GOT TO JUMP AND RUN! THE OLD MAN, IS DOWN TH' ROAD"

Screw you, John Fogerty.
 
2012-11-15 11:13:18 AM

The Muthaship: OldManDownDRoad: Stills can be a massive tool as well, but apparently his failing health has made him adopt a little humility.

I was wondering how someone could look at Stiils and Young and then pronounce Stills to be the tool. Then I saw your login.

/I keed


Heh. Yeah, Young has a long and well-established rep as a "difficult" guy. He was recently interviewed by Terry Gross on Fresh Air and, well, I can understand why he gets testy. She asked some really stupid questions and was apparently surprised to discover he was a Canadian - Young's answers got progressively testier and shorter after that. I got the feeling they were both glad when the show was over.

My favorite Stills moment is in the concert film "Celebration at Big Sur" when he punches out a drunk who was rushing the stage.

But the highlight of that film is a young Joni Mitchell bra-less in a cotton top. Yowsers.
 
2012-11-15 11:17:17 AM

OldManDownDRoad: But the highlight of that film is a young Joni Mitchell bra-less in a cotton top. Yowsers.



i saw that one night years ago on PBS....doens't Stills later apologize to the guy?

and isn't that also the one where Joni starts crying, asking the crowd to either quit being rude or some such?

/i know, "gee, if only there were an internet 'engine' of sorts where you could 'search' things....
 
2012-11-15 11:18:08 AM

FirstNationalBastard: And speaking of the members of Creedence Clearwater Revival, here's the best CCR album that wasn't...

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Woah, Doug Sahm. It's a shame he never got the national rep he deserved.

The internet radio station I listen to (Radio Paradise) plays his albums occasionally, and other forgotten gems like Stills' Manassas album. Too bad that country-rock turned into sludge in the mid-70s and stuff like Sahm and Manassas are generally unknown.

/Los Super Seven!
 
2012-11-15 11:22:09 AM

OldManDownDRoad: FirstNationalBastard: And speaking of the members of Creedence Clearwater Revival, here's the best CCR album that wasn't...

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Woah, Doug Sahm. It's a shame he never got the national rep he deserved.

The internet radio station I listen to (Radio Paradise) plays his albums occasionally, and other forgotten gems like Stills' Manassas album. Too bad that country-rock turned into sludge in the mid-70s and stuff like Sahm and Manassas are generally unknown.

/Los Super Seven!


IIRC, part of the reason I discovered Sahm and the Sir Douglas Quintet was from Satellite Radio (before homogenization), and finding out that the musicians on Groover's Paradise were Sahm and the non-Fogerty half of CCR.

The song "Girls Today Don't Like To Sleep Alone" in particular is essentially a CCR song without John Fogerty on vocals.
 
2012-11-15 11:24:11 AM

rickythepenguin: OldManDownDRoad: But the highlight of that film is a young Joni Mitchell bra-less in a cotton top. Yowsers.


i saw that one night years ago on PBS....doens't Stills later apologize to the guy?


Yeah, after Joan Baez gives him a ration of shiat for hitting the guy.

and isn't that also the one where Joni starts crying, asking the crowd to either quit being rude or some such?

It's a strange setup, it looks like they are performing at a resort of some sort, standing next to a pool that overlooks the Pacific. There's really not much between the crowd and the performers. And like most musicians of the era who expected the crowd to be cool and mellow, they were apparently shocked, shocked to discover that a crowd of drunk stoners could get a little out of control. It didn't turn into Altamont, but both Baez and and Mitchell are really uncomfortable with the situation, especially when some members of the crowd turned mean after the Stills altercation.
 
2012-11-15 11:43:30 AM

OldManDownDRoad: It's a strange setup, it looks like they are performing at a resort of some sort, standing next to a pool that overlooks the Pacific. There's really not much between the crowd and the performers. And like most musicians of the era who expected the crowd to be cool and mellow, they were apparently shocked, shocked to discover that a crowd of drunk stoners could get a little out of control. It didn't turn into Altamont, but both Baez and and Mitchell are really uncomfortable with the situation, especially when some members of the crowd turned mean after the Stills altercation.



i should dig that up....i love that era of music but you rarely see that movie show up on "bst of" lists. maybe it sucks. who knows. haven't seen it in perhaps 15-20 years. can't be worse than that frighteningly overrated "The Last Waltz".
 
2012-11-15 11:59:01 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Yeah, after Joan Baez gives him a ration of shiat for hitting the guy.



i saw her live once. my mom is a huge fan, Joan came to town, mom had no one to go with, ehhh, what the hell. She was surprisingly good. I remember several times thinking of how she was at the epicenter of so many things; the MLK speech, Bob when he was an unknown folkie busking for spare change in 1960, then the "Don't Look Back" stuff.....pretty impressive.

she covered "Don't Think Twice, It's Alright" and ended the last verse with an alarmingly good Dylan impression. i don't think she ever mentioned Dylan by name but he came up several times, as in, "you may know this song, and old friend I used to have wrote it", and during one extended introduction, she mentioned "an old friend who liked my 'Boots Of Spanish Leather'" and how their friendship deteriorated.

ehhh.
 
2012-11-15 12:13:53 PM

TimSTP: Belongs in the pantheon of all-time great artists and major douches. Basically destroyed his relationship with his brother and bandmates because they wouldn't join him on his quixotic quest to spend his life suing Fantasy Records. Fogerty is such a dick that he expected his brother Tom, who was on his deathbed in the final stages of cancer, to apologize to him for not supporting his lawsuit efforts.


Tom *was* the major songwriting force in CCR.
 
2012-11-15 12:34:02 PM
If John goes on a nationwide book signing tour, hopefully he will be choogling on down to New Orleans.
 
2012-11-15 12:48:29 PM

rickythepenguin:
she covered "Don't Think Twice, It's Alright" and ended the last verse with an alarmingly good Dylan impression. i don't think she ever mentioned Dylan by name but he came up several times, as in, "you may know this song, and old friend I used to have wrote it", and during one extended introduction, she mentioned "an old friend who liked my 'Boots Of Spanish Leather'" and how their friendship deteriorated.


I've always liked Baez as a person - not much for her music - but her ambivalent attitude toward Dylan always makes me laugh. She's obviously one tough broad and not much shakes her up. Last time I saw her talking about Dylan, she was pretty dismissive of him as just another notch on the bedpost.

And, after all, "Diamonds and Rust" is about Dylan drunk-dialing her years after the affair when he was already either shacked up or married to Sarah. Not everyone gets a chance to write a major hit (for a folkie, anyway) that disses an ex.

/Alanis Morissette could only wish
 
2012-11-15 12:53:29 PM
"There's a bathroom on the right..."
 
2012-11-15 12:54:43 PM

rickythepenguin:
i should dig that up....i love that era of music but you rarely see that movie show up on "bst of" lists. maybe it sucks. who knows. haven't seen it in perhaps 15-20 years. can't be worse than that frighteningly overrated "The Last Waltz".


Oh, it sucks, trust me. It's in my collection only because it's a document of a time and place. But every concert film has a few high points - with "Big Sur" it's the radiant Mitchell and Baez. With "Last Waltz" it's the obvious tension between Levon Helms and Robbie Robertson (who, fortunately, put aside their differences just before Helms passed).

A sadly neglected concert film is "Festival Express", which features a couple excellent acts touring the hinterlands of Canada. My favorite scene is the Greatful Dead opening up to an audience of bemused hayseeds at some county fair while tractors drive by in the background.

/early appearance of the Burrito Brothers, too
 
2012-11-15 01:06:53 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Can we stop calling musicians "hit-makers"? Something about it really grates on my nerves.


Indeed. This term should apply to the loader of the bowl.
 
2012-11-15 04:28:35 PM

OldManDownDRoad: sadly neglected concert film is "Festival Express", which features a couple excellent acts touring the hinterlands of Canada. My favorite scene is the Greatful Dead opening up to an audience of bemused hayseeds at some county fair while tractors drive by in the background.


yeah, that's a great one. it is sad to see Danko so incredibly wasted on that trip.

Concert / Band Films Power Rankings, in no order:

1. Depeche Mode, 101. A phenomenal document. Aside from predating MTV's "reality" craze by about 2-3 years (they took about a dozen strangers, put them on a tour bus on Depeche Mode, filmed what happened) the live scenes are pretty amazing, with the Rose Bowl sequences at times astonishing.

2. Wilco, I Am Trying To break Your Heart. A new poignance with what's his nuts pasting about a year ago.

3. Gimme Shelter.

4. U2, Rattle and Hum. Yes, a lot of contrived self-fellatio. Bono et al rying to very, very passionately to look like they aren't aware of the cameras. But some pretty cool performances and some of it is really endearing. and the "Bad" is just phenonemal.

5. Grateful Dead Movie.

6. Don't Look Back.

7. The Song Remains The Same. No less bloated and self-aggrandizing than Rattle And Hum, but pretty cool. Some of it is really bizarre. But entertaining.

8. Concert For George.

9. Westway to the World documentary. There's a scene where Joe is moved almost to tears when talking about how dumb it was to fire Mick. And another incredible scene when Topper says if he had the chance to do it all over he wouldn't change a thing.

10. A Hard Day's Night.
 
2012-11-15 06:14:59 PM
Member, subby? He founded the band, was the lead singer, guitarist, and song writer.
 
2012-11-15 07:25:51 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Member, subby? He founded the band, was the lead singer, guitarist, and song writer.


I thought he was singing while on drums.
 
2012-11-16 09:10:56 AM

rickythepenguin:
6. Don't Look Back.


That's always been a fave of mine. Dylan acts like a massive tool for most of the film and gets away with it.

7. The Song Remains The Same. No less bloated and self-aggrandizing than Rattle And Hum, but pretty cool. Some of it is really bizarre. But entertaining.

A few years ago I invested an hour of my time with some video editing software and cut out all the fantasy crap - the result is a fairly solid performance by the Zep crew. The sound is pretty good for the era, too.

Man, makes you wish someone had filmed the Who about this time, especially the two Leeds concerts.
 
2012-11-16 09:33:10 PM
OldManDownDRoad: Man, makes you wish someone had filmed the Who about this time, especially the two Leeds concerts.

Leeds: 2/14/70
Isle of Wight: 8/29/70

Basically the same setlist, plus there's this:

c3.cduniverse.ws

There's also a bootleg video of the 7/7/70 Tanglewood performance thats smokes both of those shows.
 
2012-11-17 09:21:36 AM
"The kid from El Cerrito (California) wanted to be the best musician in the world - my promise to myself. I accomplished that goal against all odds..."

Geez... Delusions of grandeur much?
 
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