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2012-11-15 04:30:03 AM
I bet Michael Bay was involved.
 
2012-11-15 04:31:34 AM
I'm angry that the wolves were not released into the cinema.
 
2012-11-15 04:33:59 AM
Certainly this is another over reaction by PETA right?

*click*

Oh wow.. They really did have wolves just chilling in a cage at Hollywood party.. *facepalm*... Godammitsomuch.. I'm with Subby.. I hate agreeing with PETA but yeah they have a point here.
 
2012-11-15 04:37:28 AM
Open the door on that cage. Let's see how badly they want to be bitten, and become part of the pack !
 
2012-11-15 04:39:22 AM
As opposed to just letting them run wild in Hollywood.

www.jackass.de

Link
 
2012-11-15 04:39:22 AM
Screw PETA. They're stupid and evil. For all their hysterical attention whoring, they still kill thousands of animals every year.

Disgusting, subhuman filth, the lot of them. Hypocritical douchebags, every one.

That said, having live wolves caged at a party... bad form, guys. Seriously, dafuq were you thinking?
 
2012-11-15 04:42:34 AM
Hollywood is the opiate of the ... hmm, steak.
 
2012-11-15 04:43:59 AM

Cyclometh: Screw PETA. They're stupid and evil. For all their hysterical attention whoring, they still kill thousands of animals every year.

Disgusting, subhuman filth, the lot of them. Hypocritical douchebags, every one.

That said, having live wolves caged at a party... bad form, guys. Seriously, dafuq were you thinking?


You sound like an angry hypocrite !
 
2012-11-15 04:49:14 AM
How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?
 
2012-11-15 04:55:47 AM

AbstractCode: I'm angry that the wolves were not released into the cinema.


Me too.

AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?


8/10
 
2012-11-15 04:58:11 AM
Even worse!
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2012-11-15 05:06:09 AM
It's not like they went to alaska, shot wolves from a plane, brought back the motherless cubs to put on display and tossed them in the trash after. These are animals that are raised by people and used for movies and commercials. Probably less freaked out then the peta people freaking out about it.
 
2012-11-15 05:11:33 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?


If the wolves were indeed where there was "blaring music and flashing lights," that would have been stressful for them. I occasionally will play music with the volume higher than normal and when I do, my dog and cats leave the room. I imagine that wolves would be the same.
 
2012-11-15 05:13:21 AM
Some pictures of animal cruelty.

WARNING: Some of these photos are very disturbing.

Yorkshire being put into a tiny cage
s.petco.com

Dachshund begging to be set free from its enclosure
www.deborarachelle.com

Chihuahua with feet bound and stuffed into bag
www.snoozerpetproducts.com

Large dog jailed in small cage
www.drsfostersmith.com

OH THE CANINITY!
 
2012-11-15 05:17:30 AM

styckx: Certainly this is another over reaction by PETA right?

*click*

Oh wow.. They really did have wolves just chilling in a cage at Hollywood party.. *facepalm*... Godammitsomuch.. I'm with Subby.. I hate agreeing with PETA but yeah they have a point here.


Now read the headline again, and think about why it's funny.

*facepalm*
 
2012-11-15 05:19:21 AM
Dear Hollywood:

When PETA is right, you have GOT to reexamine your ideas.

Sincerely, everyone.
 
2012-11-15 05:22:57 AM
Even a stopped clock is right when it shiats on the Twilight franchise.
 
2012-11-15 05:23:34 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?


Domestic animals and wild animals have quite different needs, particularly in regards to interactions with humans.

As for PETA here, even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.
 
2012-11-15 05:38:03 AM

Valiente: I bet Michael Bay was involved.


Since the wolves didn't explode, I'd guess otherwise.
 
2012-11-15 05:48:09 AM
Yeah, I like animals much more than people.

Putting animals like that in a cage is just wrong unless it's necessary. Going to have to side with PETA on this one.

With special effects they way they are, hopefully people like Hollywood Animals will go out of business and leave these poor bastards to their natural habitat. This type of shiat serves no one but Hollywood Animals' checkbook and the egos of a few socialites.
 
2012-11-15 06:00:40 AM

MurphyMurphy: Yeah, I like animals much more than people.

Putting animals like that in a cage is just wrong unless it's necessary. Going to have to side with PETA on this one.

With special effects they way they are, hopefully people like Hollywood Animals will go out of business and leave these poor bastards to their natural habitat. This type of shiat serves no one but Hollywood Animals' checkbook and the egos of a few socialites.


I guess it depends on how much time it spends in the cage and if it has an open area to roam and get exercise. My dogs both actually like their kennels as long as they are not in them too much. The theory is that it appeals to their desire to have a cave or den. Putting them on display in a cage on the other hand is not cool. The real problem, however is that they are probably stuck in an enclosure without enough area to exercise and nothing to keep them occupied. My dogs get restless if I don't give them some sort task that occupies their minds on a regular basis. It is probably even worse with wolves.

I also would have liked to see them get free and eat the people.
 
2012-11-15 06:06:12 AM

Precision Boobery: Even a stopped clock is right when it shiats on the Twilight franchise.


Gordon Bennett: AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?

Domestic animals and wild animals have quite different needs, particularly in regards to interactions with humans.

As for PETA here, even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.


That was creepy.
 
2012-11-15 06:07:16 AM

AbstractCode: I'm angry that the wolves were not released into the cinema.


I would have paid to see THAT
 
2012-11-15 06:07:58 AM

Gordon Bennett: Precision Boobery: Even a stopped clock is right when it shiats on the Twilight franchise.

Gordon Bennett: AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?

Domestic animals and wild animals have quite different needs, particularly in regards to interactions with humans.

As for PETA here, even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.

That was creepy.


There is the theory of the Mobius. A twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop.
 
2012-11-15 06:09:48 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?

If the wolves were indeed where there was "blaring music and flashing lights," that would have been stressful for them. I occasionally will play music with the volume higher than normal and when I do, my dog and cats leave the room. I imagine that wolves would be the same.


Probably. It looks like one of the three's tails are up, which is a sign of confidence. One making a friendly or reassuring nuzzle from low and to the side. They could be upset, or bored and thinking "this shiat again? Ah well, maybe the guests will feed us treats." Wolves vary in their personalities. Also what they've been trained for.

Could be worse; they could be wild wolves living about anywhere in the USA. They could be an average pack in, say, Wisconsin about to have (or just had) a couple family members scythed out of their ranks by gun or trap this year; fewer in Minnesota.

None legally yet in Michigan, where the predation control, last I have figures for, has been so successful that 600-800 wolves caused damages of one sheep, one cow, and 5 hunting dogs (i.e. domesticated wolves) being run loose in their territory.

Unfortunately in Michigan the local politicians are playing "demonize the wolves for votes" games and are pushing random shooting and trapping of them too, trying to designate that as their proper "management"; they're currently a protected nongame animal in the state. This will be interesting if successful, it'll probably result in a referendum (last time was a dove hunt, went over 2 to 1, against hunting, 31% for). Probably some hairy political advertising, but it looks like it's going to end up as pleasant and easy for all as fixing an enraged cow tangled up in loose barbed wire.
 
2012-11-15 06:11:09 AM
Excuse me, those Michigan predation figures were for the first third of 2012.
 
2012-11-15 06:12:34 AM

SwiftFox: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?

If the wolves were indeed where there was "blaring music and flashing lights," that would have been stressful for them. I occasionally will play music with the volume higher than normal and when I do, my dog and cats leave the room. I imagine that wolves would be the same.

Probably. It looks like one of the three's tails are up, which is a sign of confidence. One making a friendly or reassuring nuzzle from low and to the side. They could be upset, or bored and thinking "this shiat again? Ah well, maybe the guests will feed us treats." Wolves vary in their personalities. Also what they've been trained for.

Could be worse; they could be wild wolves living about anywhere in the USA. They could be an average pack in, say, Wisconsin about to have (or just had) a couple family members scythed out of their ranks by gun or trap this year; fewer in Minnesota.

None legally yet in Michigan, where the predation control, last I have figures for, has been so successful that 600-800 wolves caused damages of one sheep, one cow, and 5 hunting dogs (i.e. domesticated wolves) being run loose in their territory.

Unfortunately in Michigan the local politicians are playing "demonize the wolves for votes" games and are pushing random shooting and trapping of them too, trying to designate that as their proper "management"; they're currently a protected nongame animal in the state. This will be interesting if successful, it'll probably result in a referendum (last time was a dove hunt, went over 2 to 1, against hunting, 31% for). Probably some hairy political advertising, but it looks like it's going to end up as pleasant and easy for all as fixing an enraged cow tangled up in loose barbed wire.


This post started off as David Attenborough and ended up as C-SPAN.
 
2012-11-15 06:19:50 AM

SwiftFox: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?

If the wolves were indeed where there was "blaring music and flashing lights," that would have been stressful for them. I occasionally will play music with the volume higher than normal and when I do, my dog and cats leave the room. I imagine that wolves would be the same.

Probably. It looks like one of the three's tails are up, which is a sign of confidence. One making a friendly or reassuring nuzzle from low and to the side. They could be upset, or bored and thinking "this shiat again? Ah well, maybe the guests will feed us treats." Wolves vary in their personalities. Also what they've been trained for.

Could be worse; they could be wild wolves living about anywhere in the USA. They could be an average pack in, say, Wisconsin about to have (or just had) a couple family members scythed out of their ranks by gun or trap this year; fewer in Minnesota.

None legally yet in Michigan, where the predation control, last I have figures for, has been so successful that 600-800 wolves caused damages of one sheep, one cow, and 5 hunting dogs (i.e. domesticated wolves) being run loose in their territory.

Unfortunately in Michigan the local politicians are playing "demonize the wolves for votes" games and are pushing random shooting and trapping of them too, trying to designate that as their proper "management"; they're currently a protected nongame animal in the state. This will be interesting if successful, it'll probably result in a referendum (last time was a dove hunt, went over 2 to 1, against hunting, 31% for). Probably some hairy political advertising, but it looks like it's going to end up as pleasant and easy for all as fixing an enraged cow tangled up in loose barbed wire.


There is also the complaint that they decrease the numbers in the deer herd. I am a deer hunter, but I would rather have wolves and have it more difficult to get a deer. It will also probably help prevent a catastrophic decline in deer populations when dense populations lead to fast spreading illness. CWD would probably not be as much of an issue if there were more predators to cull the herd.
 
Xai
2012-11-15 06:20:37 AM
Damn hollywood, I want to hate PETA, not agree with them.

I don't know what is worse, the atrocity of a film or this stunt.
 
2012-11-15 06:20:56 AM

Valiente: I bet Michael Bay was involved.


No, if Michael Bay was involved the Wolves would have exploded and this would be an entirely different sort of news cycle.

Dammit, I hate it when I agree with PETA

FTA: "We hope the rest of the promotional events surrounding 'Breaking Dawn' celebrates the brilliant work of the cast and crew..."

If it makes you feel any better Subby, there's at least something in this article from PETA you can probably violently disagree with.
 
2012-11-15 06:51:55 AM

Beauf: SwiftFox: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?

[my babbling...]

There is also the complaint that they decrease the numbers in the deer herd. I am a deer hunter, but I would rather have wolves and have it more difficult to get a deer. ...


That's the screwy part. The random hunt is about the worst management, just by simple arithmetic and the fact wolves breed a litter per pack.

Say, 300 of the 600 wolves are in packs averaging 10, the 300 in smallest packs averaging 4 members.
To protect deer you want to remove 300.
Optimal: remove the 300 in the smallest packs, remaining packs will have 30 litters of pups.
Dumb: remove the 300 in the largest packs, the remaining packs will have 75 litters.

Really Farking Stupid: The random sport hunt they're using that will reduce all the pack sizes, but the remnants will probably have >100 litters of pups. At one stroke you've manage to double the number of litters and pups born per adult. Oh, btw, the packs won't cover as much territory, so dispersing wolves can add new packs now, more litters, where they would have been killed or driven out before.

And all those pups need to be fed, like dogs needing more food than adults. Just at the time fawns and so on are growing up too. It is natural for wolves to eat some young deer, but should management maximize it?
 
2012-11-15 07:08:36 AM
I agree. Uncaged wolves would have been far more entertaining.
 
2012-11-15 07:10:48 AM

SwiftFox: That's the screwy part. The random hunt is about the worst management, just by simple arithmetic and the fact wolves breed a litter per pack.

Say, 300 of the 600 wolves are in packs averaging 10, the 300 in smallest packs averaging 4 members.
To protect deer


No, the "screwy" part is that you're doing it to protect deer, apparently.

I know you're presenting a hypothetical here, but I see real incidences of this sort of stupidity fairly frequently.

We had one locally where we had an isolated landmass- essentially an island that was absolutely over-run with deer- with no apex predators in the food chain really, there's pretty much nothing to keep the population in check- except us.

Rather than issue more hunting permits, extend the season or increase limits, we basically let them starve to death.

In the name of being "humane" to the deer.

Ever starved before, or known someone who has? It's anything but humane.
 
2012-11-15 07:11:59 AM

Beauf: It will also probably help prevent a catastrophic decline in deer populations when dense populations lead to fast spreading illness. CWD would probably not be as much of an issue if there were more predators to cull the herd.


Oh, that's another little thing people don't seem to notice. According to particularly bowhunter's reports, deer where there are even moderate numbers of wolves are refusing to congregate in large numbers near bait stations. There's an overall agreement that the wolves make deer move around a lot more.

That's scary as shiat to me. CWD is transmitted by prions where deer congregate. Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease (EHD - think of an Ebola virus for deer) is transmitted where midges can bite multiple deer. And without the natural wolf population deer cluster and stay more in the same places. Did we know we were taming the deer, so diseases and parasites can more easily be transmitted?

Forget culling the diseased out of the herd. It won't prevent CWD from spreading, because the prions are shed for 7-11 months before a few weeks of symptoms and death. If they're keeping the deer apart the wolves are preventing them from becoming diseased in the first place.
 
2012-11-15 07:17:30 AM
bothers the stuffing out of me anytime i would see wild animals being scared on TV shows. so i don't watch them anymore. plus Letterman, Kimmel and the rest of them suck and blow simultaneously.
 
2012-11-15 07:20:48 AM
Were there any actual wolves in the films? From what could tell from the little I've seen, the wolves were all shiatty CGI FX.
 
2012-11-15 07:22:32 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?


A wolf isn't a dog. Like an eagle isn't a chicken, like a tiger isn't a house cat. See, some animals are domesticated and are comfortable living in close proximity with humans. Dogs are domesticated. Wolves aren't. Domestication is a process that takes thousands of years to develop.

In any event, having caged dogs at a premiere would have been cruel as well.
 
2012-11-15 07:22:43 AM
Who cares? PETA can still suck it. They're just wolves. It doesn't look like they gave a shiat about what was going on there and neither should they.
 
2012-11-15 07:28:28 AM

SkunkWerks: SwiftFox: That's the screwy part. The random hunt is about the worst management, just by simple arithmetic and the fact wolves breed a litter per pack.

Say, 300 of the 600 wolves are in packs averaging 10, the 300 in smallest packs averaging 4 members.
To protect deer

No, the "screwy" part is that you're doing it to protect deer, apparently.

Actually, the deer management via humans hunting mainly bucks, etc to produce surpluses of deer, and the same humans keeping the deer in check are probably the best prospect for wolves, otherwise the deer overpopulate, wolves or not, and then they starve.

Call me stupid, but I cannot figure out why a wolf pack would not protect a territory big enough to feed it reliably, so the pack itself wouldn't be more danger to its food supply than other wolves nearby.

I know you're presenting a hypothetical here, but I see real incidences of this sort of stupidity fairly frequently.

We had one locally where we had an isolated landmass- essentially an island that was absolutely over-run with deer- with no apex predators in the food chain really, there's pretty much nothing to keep the population in check- except us.

Rather than issue more hunting permits, extend the season or increase limits, we basically let them starve to death.

In the name of being "humane" to the deer.

Ever starved before, or known someone who has? It's anything but humane.
 
Yeah, they did that on Angel Island in CA too, and the prospect of putting coyotes on the islands to control the deer was rejected as too bloody a prospect.

A couple years later people visiting the island started dying from the hantavirus carried by the massive deer mouse population.
 
2012-11-15 07:31:22 AM

rattchett: AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?

A wolf isn't a dog. Like an eagle isn't a chicken, like a tiger isn't a house cat. See, some animals are domesticated and are comfortable living in close proximity with humans. Dogs are domesticated. Wolves aren't. Domestication is a process that takes thousands of years to develop.


I don't think any sane person believes these animals were raised in the wild. They were most likely raised in cages so they would be familiar to the cage environment and trained for movie productions. Nothing cruel about the Hollywood life for them.
 
2012-11-15 07:35:33 AM

pkellmey: I don't think any sane person believes these animals were raised in the wild.


I don't think any sane person believes the process of domestication occurs inside one generation either.

I also don't believe any sane person believes that any canid's ears aren't many times more sensitive to noise than ours are.
 
2012-11-15 07:58:02 AM
Where is this guy when you need him?

i274.photobucket.com

"When you meet the animal on even terms, then you may find you are not so powerful."
 
2012-11-15 08:32:48 AM
You mean they forced the wolves to watch Twilight?

That's cold.
 
2012-11-15 08:36:08 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Gordon Bennett: Precision Boobery: Even a stopped clock is right when it shiats on the Twilight franchise.

Gordon Bennett: AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?

Domestic animals and wild animals have quite different needs, particularly in regards to interactions with humans.

As for PETA here, even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.

That was creepy.

There is the theory of the Mobius. A twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop.


When we reach that point, whatever happened will happen again.
 
2012-11-15 08:46:47 AM
Even a brokrn clock is reight twice a day.
 
2012-11-15 08:55:53 AM
Will nobody think of the insane torture people have to go through when Twi-whinehards display themselves at movie premiers?
 
2012-11-15 08:59:49 AM
Then don't.
 
2012-11-15 09:07:06 AM

jafiwam: "When you meet the animal on even terms, then you may find you are not so powerful."


Well, I guess we'll just have to pull their teeth and claws so we're equal.

Pretty sure I could take a wolf with no teeth.
 
2012-11-15 09:23:44 AM
Wolves aside,I have my stock comment for the PETArds: Plants are alive too, hypocrite.
 
2012-11-15 09:26:14 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Gordon Bennett: Precision Boobery: Even a stopped clock is right when it shiats on the Twilight franchise.

Gordon Bennett: AverageAmericanGuy: How is this different than keeping dogs in kennels?

Domestic animals and wild animals have quite different needs, particularly in regards to interactions with humans.

As for PETA here, even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.

That was creepy.

There is the theory of the Mobius. A twist in the fabric of space where time becomes a loop.


Awright mate, you've just earned yourself a promotion to green on my favourites list for sticking that one in my head for the day.
 
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