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2012-11-15 11:57:20 AM

detritus: Dusk-You-n-Me: I think cannabis will be removed from the Schedule I listing sometime in term two. Hopefully sooner than later.

You must be joking. Obama promised to stop federal raids in medical marijuana states yet it continued the past four years. He has still affirmed his position that it should remain completely illegal. Where have you been all this time?


Hoping for Change?
 
2012-11-15 11:58:38 AM

Dr Dreidel: Amos Quito: Dr Dreidel: beta_plus: Hows that crapping all over the 9th and 10th Amendments working out for you libs half the country?

More than half of the country voted for Obama, and 3 liberal states just voted to let adults choose to get farked up on the happy grass. Oh, and a very red state voted AGAINST medical marijuana.


Doesn't excuse Obama's action/inaction.

Are you following me around baiting me in fark threads? I count 3 times in the last 2 days you've tried to get a rise out of me



Are you kidding? LOL! Actually, I find you to be quite reasonable.

I just happened to agree with beta_plus' constitutionality comment, and think that Obama is a hypocrite on this issue. You responded, and I responded.

And yes, I held my nose and voted for him too, but he gets no quarter from me on the issues.
 
2012-11-15 11:59:27 AM
You can not patent something that grows naturally or its specific compounds. You can however patent a one off chemically altered version of said chemicals. this will in no way have an effect on pot legalization and sales of the plant itself patent or no patent.
 
2012-11-15 12:02:07 PM

Hydra: Dusk-You-n-Me: I think cannabis will be removed from the Schedule I listing sometime in term two. Hopefully sooner than later.

Then why would he ramp up the drug war (making more raids than the Bush administration during his first term) if he was just going to legalize it in his second term?


here's a little civics lesson for ya. MJ is still illegal under federal law. Obama can't do jack against any DEA offices going about their job to legally regulate this stuff. He can't legally tell them to ignore the law. He can't make it legal by himself. Congress has to do it. And most of them are afraid to touch it.
 
2012-11-15 12:03:04 PM
I'd love to see it legalized, but I have no illusions about our Governments failure to admit that it is wrong on the subject. Look at alcohol prohibition. Yes, they eventually learned their lesson, but it took over 40 years after prohibition was lifted before you could brew beer at home (Thanks Jimmy Carter, I enjoy my right to brew my own beer!)

I'm not getting my hopes up, and even if it were legalized on the Federal level, I expect it to only be available from State approved/run outlets with few choices and mediocre quality. I expect that growing it for personal use will still remain illegal, as was beer brewing after prohibition.

I've been smoking it since '77 and availability has never been a problem. Legalization would be great, but my contingency plan has been working for 35 years
 
2012-11-15 12:04:14 PM
i.imgur.com 

Just think of the money that could have been made...
 
2012-11-15 12:07:21 PM

detritus: Dusk-You-n-Me: I think cannabis will be removed from the Schedule I listing sometime in term two. Hopefully sooner than later.

You must be joking. Obama promised to stop federal raids in medical marijuana states yet it continued the past four years. He has still affirmed his position that it should remain completely illegal. Where have you been all this time?


Maybe his opinion will 'evolve' as the liberal madia puts in when he changed his mind regarding homo marriage. Which he has also done absolutely nothing about also.
 
2012-11-15 12:07:27 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: I think cannabis will be removed from the Schedule I listing sometime in term two. Hopefully sooner than later.


Not a chance. Far too many are getting fat off the "war".

The status quo will remain.
 
2012-11-15 12:29:41 PM

nmrsnr: the title can be "Seriously You Guys, I'm Patenting Breathing" and the abstract can read "You know? Breathing? That thing you do with your lungs to keep alive? Yeah, I'm totally patenting that." But if the CLAIMS are about a novel cancer treatment it'll still get a patent.


The title can be "Method of swinging on a swing", and the abstract can read "A method of swing on a swing is disclosed, in which a user positioned on a standard swing suspended by two chains from a substantially horizontal tree branch induces side to side motion by pulling alternately on one chain and then the other.", and the claims can be about a method of swinging on a swing from side to side by alternately pulling on the chains, and there can be prior art from pretty-much everybody who's ever sat in a swing (almost certainly including the patent examiner themselves), but it'll still get a patent.

Patent law is completely broken in this country. The patent examiners are overloaded and will approve pretty much anything no matter how obvious, unpatentable, and rife with prior art it is, just to get it off their desks. Then once it gets to the courts, it's all about who has the biggest, loudest, most expensive lawyer and the deepest pockets to keep them talking. And in many cases, the most lobbyists and paid-off politicians.
 
2012-11-15 12:31:01 PM

Hobodeluxe: Hydra: Dusk-You-n-Me: I think cannabis will be removed from the Schedule I listing sometime in term two. Hopefully sooner than later.

Then why would he ramp up the drug war (making more raids than the Bush administration during his first term) if he was just going to legalize it in his second term?

here's a little civics lesson for ya. MJ is still illegal under federal law. Obama can't do jack against any DEA offices going about their job to legally regulate this stuff. He can't legally tell them to ignore the law. He can't make it legal by himself. Congress has to do it. And most of them are afraid to touch it.



Sorry, but the DEA under the USDOJ which answers directly to the Executive Branch (Obama).

He can call off the DEA dogs if he so chooses.
 
2012-11-15 12:33:48 PM
But but but brown people's drug are so dangerous. Not like the wet Irish medicines.  Keep the drugs of the undesirables undesirable.
 
2012-11-15 12:37:12 PM

Hobodeluxe: Hydra: Dusk-You-n-Me: I think cannabis will be removed from the Schedule I listing sometime in term two. Hopefully sooner than later.

Then why would he ramp up the drug war (making more raids than the Bush administration during his first term) if he was just going to legalize it in his second term?

here's a little civics lesson for ya. MJ is still illegal under federal law. Obama can't do jack against any DEA offices going about their job to legally regulate this stuff. He can't legally tell them to ignore the law. He can't make it legal by himself. Congress has to do it. And most of them are afraid to touch it.


He could order that it be a low priority--e.g. only to be pursued after every other federal crime has been solved. Maybe it could be worded that all other federal crimes be given attention first, and that the MJ law be fully enforced just as soon as all higher priority crimes have been enfored.

To me, it seemed like he promised to use his executive power to make sure that federal resources were focused on other areas first (with the result being very litte enforcement on medical MJ). He failed to deliver. He cannot make it legal, but he could redirect focus to more important crimes. He didn't. Promise broken.

/I voted for him too.
//Mitt doesn't even give empty lip service to issues I care about.
 
2012-11-15 12:37:46 PM

Mr. Eugenides: This is similar to resveritrol being found in red wine. Sure it's there, but to get to thereputic levels you'd have to drink so much wine you'd die. You'd have to smoke enough pot to turn you into a drooling toadstool before you got any theraputic effect from cannabidiol.


Challenge accepted
 
2012-11-15 12:40:55 PM

TheSwissNavy: Mr Obama's record on medical marijuana is shameful. He's far worse than Bush was. All for politics. But he's the Hope guy.


Walk it off, Francis.
 
2012-11-15 12:45:13 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: He's not in his second term yet.


He said 'four years', not 'first term'. It's close enough to round, especially considering we're in the lame duck period now.

I didn't say legalize, I said take cannabis off the Schedule I listing. He can do that without Congress, which is why I believe it's likely in his second term.

He's won re-election, he's free to do stuff very unpopular to certain segments of society whenever he wants.

Nightsweat: IF it happens. And I say IF. It'll be between the 2016 election and Jan 20, 2017. No way he hands the Repubs an issue for either the midterms or the next presidential election.


Actually, I'd say that now would be a very good time to do it - it's as far away from a midterm election as you can get, and people have 4+ years to forget about the issue before the next presidential, and he's not seeking re-election.

nmrsnr: Take Penicillin as an example. penicillin is a naturally occurring chemical, so you can't patent it. What you CAN patent is a method of treatinga bacterial infection using an appropriate dose of penicillin.


You missed a method. You can patent methods to isolate, extract, and purify penicillin into a form suitable for use in medicine. That's actually the more common patent. In at least some 'gene patents', the patent isn't actually on the gene, it's on the process used to detect the gene.

Hobodeluxe: here's a little civics lesson for ya. MJ is still illegal under federal law. Obama can't do jack against any DEA offices going about their job to legally regulate this stuff. He can't legally tell them to ignore the law. He can't make it legal by himself. Congress has to do it. And most of them are afraid to touch it.


As head of the executive branch, he has the ability to tell the DEA to not expend resources fighting MJ. He might not be able to legalize MJ, or even prevent 'all' enforcement of the law, but it's well within his power to redirect(well, tell somebody else to do it) resources to enforcing drug prohibition on other drugs. Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, etc... It's also part of his powers to reschedule it from I to III, which would instantly legalize 'medical marijuana' in all 50 states on a federal level. State laws might take a bit longer.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:54 PM

Aunt Crabby: There is no reason to keep marijuana on Schedule 1. The FDA and AMA have had over a hundred years to do studies, but those in power claim that they need to do more studies to determine that there are no unknown side effects before allowing medical use. There are drugs that are known to be addictive, abused, and that have horrible side effeects that are allowed all the time, and they have been studied less than marinjuanna. There is no good medical reason for the FDA's stance on this issue.


It's not the FDA that schedules substances. That's a DEA responsibility. Many years ago a DEA administrative judge recommended the rescheduling of pot, but the agency ignored the recommendation. It would be simple for Obama to instruct the DEA head to reschedule. If he didn't want to do it... well, he serves at the President's whim.
 
2012-11-15 01:01:04 PM

Firethorn: As head of the executive branch, he has the ability to tell the DEA to not expend resources fighting MJ.


Sounds like a wise move if your funding is suddenly cut by some sort of, I dunno, sequestration or something.

Firethorn: He might not be able to legalize MJ, or even prevent 'all' enforcement of the law, but it's well within his power to redirect(well, tell somebody else to do it) resources to enforcing drug prohibition on other drugs


I think we came to the conclusion in a recent thread that all it would take is a letter from the Secretary of Health & Human Services (I think) to shut the whole thing down. However, we'd then have some really awkward explaining to do on the national stage with regards to certain treaties.
 
2012-11-15 01:02:04 PM

Hobodeluxe: here's a little civics lesson for ya. MJ is still illegal under federal law. Obama can't do jack against any DEA offices going about their job to legally regulate this stuff. He can't legally tell them to ignore the law. He can't make it legal by himself. Congress has to do it. And most of them are afraid to touch it.


This is incorrect.
 
2012-11-15 01:04:39 PM

knobmaker: Aunt Crabby: There is no reason to keep marijuana on Schedule 1. The FDA and AMA have had over a hundred years to do studies, but those in power claim that they need to do more studies to determine that there are no unknown side effects before allowing medical use. There are drugs that are known to be addictive, abused, and that have horrible side effeects that are allowed all the time, and they have been studied less than marinjuanna. There is no good medical reason for the FDA's stance on this issue.

It's not the FDA that schedules substances. That's a DEA responsibility. Many years ago a DEA administrative judge recommended the rescheduling of pot, but the agency ignored the recommendation. It would be simple for Obama to instruct the DEA head to reschedule. If he didn't want to do it... well, he serves at the President's whim.


I thought HHS and/or ONDCP had something to do with it too.
 
2012-11-15 01:05:36 PM
You want good turnout for the mid-term elections? Put legalizing pot on the ballot. the 18-25 group will turn out in droves.
 
2012-11-15 01:09:58 PM

DeaH: You want good turnout for the mid-term elections? Put legalizing pot on the ballot. the 18-25 group will turn out in droves.


The one thing you can count on about the youth vote is that you can never count on the youth vote.
 
2012-11-15 01:12:07 PM
Cannabis could be rescheduled either legislatively, through Congress, or through the executive branch. Congress has so far rejected all bills to reschedule cannabis. However, it is not unheard of for Congress to intervene in the drug scheduling process; in February 2000, for instance, the 105th Congress, in its second official session, passed Public Law 106-172, also known as the Hillory J. Farias and Samantha Reed Date-Rape Drug Prohibition Act of 2000,[15] adding GHB to Schedule I.[16] On June 23, 2011, Rep. Barney Frank and Rep. Ron Paul introduced H.R. 2306,[17] legislation that would completely remove cannabis from the federal schedules, limiting the federal government's role to policing cross-border or interstate transfers into states where it remains illegal.

The Controlled Substances Act also provides for a rulemaking process by which the United States Attorney General can reschedule cannabis administratively. These proceedings represent the only means of legalizing medical cannabis without an act of Congress. Rescheduling supporters have often cited the lengthy petition review process as a reason why cannabis is still illegal.[3] The first petition took 22 years to review, and the second took 7 years. In 2002, the Coalition for Rescheduling Cannabis filed a third petition.
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2012-11-15 01:14:32 PM

special20: TheSwissNavy: Mr Obama's record on medical marijuana is shameful. He's far worse than Bush was. All for politics. But he's the Hope guy.

Walk it off, Francis.


Yeah, really, what bullshiat all this talk about Obama going after medical marijuana is. Based on what I have read, the DEA busted a couple of MJ dispensaries that were not following the law (essentially operating like pot bars. No user of medical MJ has been arrested since Obama took office in 2009. He has asked Eric Holder to refrain from this and Holder has. And all he can do is ask. The Attorney General is independent of the Office of the President. As the president said when asked about this in his recent press conference, he said only that he is oath-bound to uphold the laws of the US. Were he to do otherwise would leave him vulnerable to impeachment. But haters have to hate, so none of this means anything to them. Maybe they should secede.
 
2012-11-15 01:15:46 PM

gweilo8888: nmrsnr: the title can be "Seriously You Guys, I'm Patenting Breathing" and the abstract can read "You know? Breathing? That thing you do with your lungs to keep alive? Yeah, I'm totally patenting that." But if the CLAIMS are about a novel cancer treatment it'll still get a patent.

The title can be "Method of swinging on a swing", and the abstract can read "A method of swing on a swing is disclosed, in which a user positioned on a standard swing suspended by two chains from a substantially horizontal tree branch induces side to side motion by pulling alternately on one chain and then the other.", and the claims can be about a method of swinging on a swing from side to side by alternately pulling on the chains, and there can be prior art from pretty-much everybody who's ever sat in a swing (almost certainly including the patent examiner themselves), but it'll still get a patent.

Patent law is completely broken in this country. The patent examiners are overloaded and will approve pretty much anything no matter how obvious, unpatentable, and rife with prior art it is, just to get it off their desks. Then once it gets to the courts, it's all about who has the biggest, loudest, most expensive lawyer and the deepest pockets to keep them talking. And in many cases, the most lobbyists and paid-off politicians.


Ah yes, the terrible "method of swinging on a swing" which, by the way, was reexamined and rejected. The problem with that, and "the exercising a cat" patent, from an examination perspective, is what proof is there of prior art? When was the last time you saw a book, paper, article, etc. Which describes swinging on a swing in weird ways? It probably is in hundreds of home movies, but before YouTube how are you supposed to find them?

The patent system has problems, and legitimate ones at that, but most of the ones people complain about in these threads really aren't the big problems, or even generally a failure of the system.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:39 PM

AeAe: knobmaker: Aunt Crabby: There is no reason to keep marijuana on Schedule 1. The FDA and AMA have had over a hundred years to do studies, but those in power claim that they need to do more studies to determine that there are no unknown side effects before allowing medical use. There are drugs that are known to be addictive, abused, and that have horrible side effeects that are allowed all the time, and they have been studied less than marinjuanna. There is no good medical reason for the FDA's stance on this issue.

It's not the FDA that schedules substances. That's a DEA responsibility. Many years ago a DEA administrative judge recommended the rescheduling of pot, but the agency ignored the recommendation. It would be simple for Obama to instruct the DEA head to reschedule. If he didn't want to do it... well, he serves at the President's whim.

I thought HHS and/or ONDCP had something to do with it too.


I believe both the FDA and the DEA control the drug schedule. It can also be changed through the legislature. I didn't look up the act. I do remember reading something about the FDA opposing medical marijuana, and getting a AMA quote about needing to study it more.
 
2012-11-15 01:21:15 PM

Mr. Eugenides: This is similar to resveritrol being found in red wine. Sure it's there, but to get to thereputic levels you'd have to drink so much wine you'd die. You'd have to smoke enough pot to turn you into a drooling toadstool before you got any theraputic effect from cannabidiol.


Challenge Accepted.
 
2012-11-15 01:22:39 PM

Amos Quito: Dr Dreidel: Amos Quito: Dr Dreidel: beta_plus: Hows that crapping all over the 9th and 10th Amendments working out for you libs half the country?

More than half of the country voted for Obama, and 3 liberal states just voted to let adults choose to get farked up on the happy grass. Oh, and a very red state voted AGAINST medical marijuana.


Doesn't excuse Obama's action/inaction.

Are you following me around baiting me in fark threads? I count 3 times in the last 2 days you've tried to get a rise out of me

Are you kidding? LOL! Actually, I find you to be quite reasonable.


Fair 'nuff. The one in the Israel thread yesterday seemed egregious, though, so I may have overreacted. Whatever - the reason I continued with a response is 'cause you're usually pretty reasonable (except on Israel, but I can live with that) as well.

I just happened to agree with beta_plus' constitutionality comment, and think that Obama is a hypocrite on this issue. You responded, and I responded.

And yes, I held my nose and voted for him too, but he gets no quarter from me on the issues.


Obama isn't a hypocrite on this issue (he's never said he encourages full decrim or anything; just that he'd keep going after big-level federal violators), he's just wrong. Since this is a small part of "the issues" (even though it's a big one for me...*cough*), I can let it slide so long as there isn't a better option on the table. Bernie Sanders stubbornly decided not to run again this year, so I voted ZerobongofartMao "Frank Marshall Davis Junior Junior" BambamzeroBenghazibumbler (which was hell on the write-in portion, I tell ya what).

I held my nose to vote for Ben Cardin (D-MD). No way was Rob "I'm *totally* independent guys, I swear" Sobhani ("independent") or Dan "Nobody knows a damn thing about me, and I'm sure as hell not gonna bother changing that" Bongino (R, even though I know he's former Secret Service) getting a shot at a Senate seat, no matter how invisible Cardin is.
 
2012-11-15 01:23:59 PM

amundb: Mr. Eugenides: This is similar to resveritrol being found in red wine. Sure it's there, but to get to thereputic levels you'd have to drink so much wine you'd die. You'd have to smoke enough pot to turn you into a drooling toadstool before you got any theraputic effect from cannabidiol.

Challenge Accepted.


Wait, which one? Because the wine thing can kill you for real. Don't do that.
 
2012-11-15 01:34:36 PM

incendi: amundb: Mr. Eugenides: This is similar to resveritrol being found in red wine. Sure it's there, but to get to thereputic levels you'd have to drink so much wine you'd die. You'd have to smoke enough pot to turn you into a drooling toadstool before you got any theraputic effect from cannabidiol.

Challenge Accepted.

Wait, which one? Because the wine thing can kill you for real. Don't do that.


I thought you can get benefit from drinking 1 glass of red wine a day.. Did that change?
 
2012-11-15 01:35:33 PM
Way to keep up with 2006, Fark!
 
2012-11-15 01:48:33 PM

AeAe: incendi: amundb: Mr. Eugenides: This is similar to resveritrol being found in red wine. Sure it's there, but to get to thereputic levels you'd have to drink so much wine you'd die. You'd have to smoke enough pot to turn you into a drooling toadstool before you got any theraputic effect from cannabidiol.

Challenge Accepted.

Wait, which one? Because the wine thing can kill you for real. Don't do that.

I thought you can get benefit from drinking 1 glass of red wine a day.. Did that change?


You get benefits but it's actually from the alcohol. So a beer a day is just as good. Or, if you listen to the Scandinavians three beers a day
 
2012-11-15 01:58:05 PM

AeAe: quantum_csc: odinsposse: detritus: Dusk-You-n-Me: I think cannabis will be removed from the Schedule I listing sometime in term two. Hopefully sooner than later.

You must be joking. Obama promised to stop federal raids in medical marijuana states yet it continued the past four years. He has still affirmed his position that it should remain completely illegal. Where have you been all this time?

That isn't what he promised.

I am not sure about you, but I fail to grasp the distinction between stopping federal raids in medical marijuana states and "I'm not going to be using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws [on medical marijuana]." Those dispensaries are operating within the law in their states and he is using Justice Department resources tp shut them down.

While is is against federal law, has is also full of shiat when he says that he cannot tell the Justice Department what laws to enforce, what he means is that he is unwilling to spend the political capital to do so.

/Obama supported
//He is full of shiat when it comes to his actions/words WRT medical marijuana

You're cherry picking. Here's what he said in the article:

"What I specifically said was that we were not going to prioritize prosecutions of persons who are using medical marijuana," Obama said. "I never made a commitment that somehow we were going to give carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana -- and the reason is, because it's against federal law."

It's the "against federal law" part that he's using as the rationale for going after the commercial grower.

Personally, I think he's going after the big fish. I think if you're a small player, keep quiet, don't make waves, the feds wouldn't go after you. Or they might.


I agree, that is not what he says in the Rolling Stone interview, but his comments in 2010 are contradictory to the statement he made while campaigning for president in 2008. I will reserve final judgement until after seeing how the Justice Department reacts to the new legalization laws.
 
2012-11-15 02:00:46 PM
AeAe: You may not know the answer, but what about Marinol? .. which I believe is synthetic THC and is Schedule III ..

You are correct. It requires a prescription, and pisses me off to no end that the government can claim that there's no legitimate medical use for marijuana while approving the sale of Marinol (generic drobadinol). Without insurance it'll cost you upwards of $300 for a month's prescription. With insurance, it's usually off-formulary and will still cost $50-$100 a month, depending on your policy and if you can get your insurance provider to approve it. If they'd approve medical marijuana in my state, I could get the same benefit from THC in its natural form for $20 a month (I'm a lightweight, I admit it).

This stuff is the ONLY thing that has been able to completely get rid of my fibromyalgia pain and not leave me a total zombie like opiates do.
 
2012-11-15 02:04:55 PM

evilempryss: AeAe: You may not know the answer, but what about Marinol? .. which I believe is synthetic THC and is Schedule III ..

You are correct. It requires a prescription, and pisses me off to no end that the government can claim that there's no legitimate medical use for marijuana while approving the sale of Marinol (generic drobadinol). Without insurance it'll cost you upwards of $300 for a month's prescription. With insurance, it's usually off-formulary and will still cost $50-$100 a month, depending on your policy and if you can get your insurance provider to approve it. If they'd approve medical marijuana in my state, I could get the same benefit from THC in its natural form for $20 a month (I'm a lightweight, I admit it).

This stuff is the ONLY thing that has been able to completely get rid of my fibromyalgia pain and not leave me a total zombie like opiates do.


There's no such thing as fibromyalgia. Just fess up to the fact that you enjoy getting high
 
2012-11-15 02:06:36 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: I think cannabis will be removed from the Schedule I listing sometime in term two. Hopefully sooner than later.


I think you're right, but only if impeachment hearings are held. Legalization will certainly take everyone's mind off Benghazi, F&F, and whatever else the administration's been up to.
 
2012-11-15 02:10:50 PM

evilempryss: AeAe: You may not know the answer, but what about Marinol? .. which I believe is synthetic THC and is Schedule III ..

You are correct. It requires a prescription, and pisses me off to no end that the government can claim that there's no legitimate medical use for marijuana while approving the sale of Marinol (generic drobadinol). Without insurance it'll cost you upwards of $300 for a month's prescription. With insurance, it's usually off-formulary and will still cost $50-$100 a month, depending on your policy and if you can get your insurance provider to approve it. If they'd approve medical marijuana in my state, I could get the same benefit from THC in its natural form for $20 a month (I'm a lightweight, I admit it).

This stuff is the ONLY thing that has been able to completely get rid of my fibromyalgia pain and not leave me a total zombie like opiates do.


Absolutely. It drives me nuts how the government will not admit that cannabis has medical use.

Here's a video of Cong Polis interviewing the DEA administrator just to piss you off. Link
 
2012-11-15 02:13:14 PM

MFAWG: detritus: Dusk-You-n-Me: I think cannabis will be removed from the Schedule I listing sometime in term two. Hopefully sooner than later.

You must be joking. Obama promised to stop federal raids in medical marijuana states yet it continued the past four years. He has still affirmed his position that it should remain completely illegal. Where have you been all this time?

I don't think he promised that at all


He had a similar position on gay marriage as well.
 
2012-11-15 02:17:10 PM
 
2012-11-15 02:19:55 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: detritus: You must be joking. Obama promised to stop federal raids in medical marijuana states yet it continued the past four years. He has still affirmed his position that it should remain completely illegal. Where have you been all this time?

He's not in his second term yet.

Hydra: Then why would he ramp up the drug war (making more raids than the Bush administration during his first term) if he was just going to legalize it in his second term?

I didn't say legalize, I said take cannabis off the Schedule I listing. He can do that without Congress, which is why I believe it's likely in his second term.


Schedule I down to Schedule II like where cocaine is? Or Schedule III where Asprin is, and you certainly can't manufacture your own Asprin. There is no drug schedule worth putting pot in because it does not require any regulation. The federal controlled substances act specifically excludes alcohol and tobacco from being scheduled as a drug. Nice to know Obama is looking out for the drug companies (and by extension, the tobacco and alcohol companies, two huge supporters and campaign spenders of pot prohibition). It's going to be another fun four years picking on the libtards who didn't elect a libtard.
 
2012-11-15 02:21:13 PM

I Mash Grains: detritus: Dusk-You-n-Me: I think cannabis will be removed from the Schedule I listing sometime in term two. Hopefully sooner than later.

You must be joking. Obama promised to stop federal raids in medical marijuana states yet it continued the past four years. He has still affirmed his position that it should remain completely illegal. Where have you been all this time?

Maybe his opinion will 'evolve' as the liberal madia puts in when he changed his mind regarding homo marriage. Which he has also done absolutely nothing about also.


Yeah, in what, four years? Wishful thinking.
 
2012-11-15 02:21:18 PM

detritus: There is no drug schedule worth putting pot in because it does not require any regulation.


I completely agree, but progress would be progress, and good is not the enemy of perfect.
 
2012-11-15 02:25:36 PM
then we could work at making OxyContin unscheduled
 
2012-11-15 02:27:42 PM

detritus: Dusk-You-n-Me: detritus: You must be joking. Obama promised to stop federal raids in medical marijuana states yet it continued the past four years. He has still affirmed his position that it should remain completely illegal. Where have you been all this time?

He's not in his second term yet.

Hydra: Then why would he ramp up the drug war (making more raids than the Bush administration during his first term) if he was just going to legalize it in his second term?

I didn't say legalize, I said take cannabis off the Schedule I listing. He can do that without Congress, which is why I believe it's likely in his second term.

Schedule I down to Schedule II like where cocaine is? Or Schedule III where Asprin is, and you certainly can't manufacture your own Asprin. There is no drug schedule worth putting pot in because it does not require any regulation. The federal controlled substances act specifically excludes alcohol and tobacco from being scheduled as a drug. Nice to know Obama is looking out for the drug companies (and by extension, the tobacco and alcohol companies, two huge supporters and campaign spenders of pot prohibition). It's going to be another fun four years picking on the libtards who didn't elect a libtard.


I say Schedule III, like Marinol. I fail to see why not being able to manufacture aspirin has any bearing on what cannabis should be scheduled as.
 
2012-11-15 02:32:47 PM

detritus: Dusk-You-n-Me: It's going to be another fun four years picking on the libtards who didn't elect a libtard.


Right. Because Romney totally would have had my libtard back.
 
2012-11-15 02:39:56 PM
Jon iz teh kewl:There's no such thing as fibromyalgia. Just fess up to the fact that you enjoy getting high

Ha! Marinol doesn't give the same high as the natural stuff. From what I've heard, most people who enjoy pot for the high are disappointed by the effects of the pill. If you're taking it for medicinal purposes, though, I think it affects you differently from the get-go. Might have to do a psych paper on that.

@AeAe: I'm not gonna watch that. I'm in a good mood right now, even without my meds. I don't need you harshing my buzz. :p
 
2012-11-15 02:40:59 PM

AeAe: detritus: Dusk-You-n-Me: detritus: You must be joking. Obama promised to stop federal raids in medical marijuana states yet it continued the past four years. He has still affirmed his position that it should remain completely illegal. Where have you been all this time?

He's not in his second term yet.

Hydra: Then why would he ramp up the drug war (making more raids than the Bush administration during his first term) if he was just going to legalize it in his second term?

I didn't say legalize, I said take cannabis off the Schedule I listing. He can do that without Congress, which is why I believe it's likely in his second term.

Schedule I down to Schedule II like where cocaine is? Or Schedule III where Asprin is, and you certainly can't manufacture your own Asprin. There is no drug schedule worth putting pot in because it does not require any regulation. The federal controlled substances act specifically excludes alcohol and tobacco from being scheduled as a drug. Nice to know Obama is looking out for the drug companies (and by extension, the tobacco and alcohol companies, two huge supporters and campaign spenders of pot prohibition). It's going to be another fun four years picking on the libtards who didn't elect a libtard.

I say Schedule III, like Marinol. I fail to see why not being able to manufacture aspirin has any bearing on what cannabis should be scheduled as.


Because I want to farking grow it for myself and be left alone, and not have to go to Walgreens or CVS to pick up a bag? It's a plant. I'd like to have it in my garden along with all the other vegetables and herbs I grow, but can't. Under ANY schedule, this means it will be left in the hands of needless regulation, DEA enforcement and corporate entities who will rape the consumer whether used recreationally or medically.
 
2012-11-15 02:42:08 PM

Aunt Crabby: detritus: Dusk-You-n-Me: It's going to be another fun four years picking on the libtards who didn't elect a libtard.

Right. Because Romney totally would have had my libtard back.


Great to hear you can count to two. I saw many more names on the ballot.
 
2012-11-15 02:45:18 PM

detritus: Or Schedule III where Asprin is, and you certainly can't manufacture your own Asprin.


Really?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-15 02:49:38 PM

detritus: Under ANY schedule, this means it will be left in the hands of needless regulation, DEA enforcement and corporate entities who will rape the consumer whether used recreationally or medically.


And I farking hate you asshole drug dealers who act like this is worse than sending someone to jail for possessing it. Because unless you have a financial incentive for it to be illegal that position is farking retarded.
 
2012-11-15 02:56:53 PM

detritus: AeAe: detritus: Dusk-You-n-Me: detritus: You must be joking. Obama promised to stop federal raids in medical marijuana states yet it continued the past four years. He has still affirmed his position that it should remain completely illegal. Where have you been all this time?

He's not in his second term yet.

Hydra: Then why would he ramp up the drug war (making more raids than the Bush administration during his first term) if he was just going to legalize it in his second term?

I didn't say legalize, I said take cannabis off the Schedule I listing. He can do that without Congress, which is why I believe it's likely in his second term.

Schedule I down to Schedule II like where cocaine is? Or Schedule III where Asprin is, and you certainly can't manufacture your own Asprin. There is no drug schedule worth putting pot in because it does not require any regulation. The federal controlled substances act specifically excludes alcohol and tobacco from being scheduled as a drug. Nice to know Obama is looking out for the drug companies (and by extension, the tobacco and alcohol companies, two huge supporters and campaign spenders of pot prohibition). It's going to be another fun four years picking on the libtards who didn't elect a libtard.

I say Schedule III, like Marinol. I fail to see why not being able to manufacture aspirin has any bearing on what cannabis should be scheduled as.

Because I want to farking grow it for myself and be left alone, and not have to go to Walgreens or CVS to pick up a bag? It's a plant. I'd like to have it in my garden along with all the other vegetables and herbs I grow, but can't. Under ANY schedule, this means it will be left in the hands of needless regulation, DEA enforcement and corporate entities who will rape the consumer whether used recreationally or medically.


So you're saying you can grow your own weed if it's scheduled? honest question, I don't know.
 
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