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(Yahoo)   FBI raid uncovers treasure trove of classified documents in Paula Broadwell's NC home. Not to worry, she has security clearance   (gma.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2012-11-14 09:00:25 PM  
God damn it

I was hoping that this was just a simple adultery.
 
2012-11-14 09:25:36 PM  
So was she up to some kind of espionage funny business, or just an off-kilter military intelligence fangirl?

Broadwell is a West Point grad and a lieutenant colonel in the Army Reserve, and apparently smuggled classified documents out of secure buildings. She is like the unholy love child of Oliver North and Fawn Hall.
 
2012-11-14 09:27:34 PM  
I've seen a few flowcharts and diagrams created so far but this case needs an expert. I have faith in Fark for this one.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-14 09:36:27 PM  
Her security clearance, like Jill's diplomatic immunity, has just been revoked.
 
2012-11-14 09:39:17 PM  

cman: God damn it

I was hoping that this was just a simple adultery.


This is not the person he's accused of having an affair with...I think. She does have clearance for the documents, so it's a non-story.
Haven't been paying attention, don't really care.
 
2012-11-14 09:43:41 PM  

cretinbob: She does have clearance for the documents, so it's a non-story.


Security clearances don't really work like that. I'm assuming she had TS/SCI clearance. However, that does not give you any kind of clearance to just read everything classified as top secret. You have to have a specific reason to have or view that classified information.

If she has sh*t that was not pertinent to a specific job requirement, she has violated the whole concept of clearance. If Petraeus gave her that info, they are both in a world of sh*t.
 
2012-11-14 09:59:03 PM  

cretinbob: cman: God damn it

I was hoping that this was just a simple adultery.

This is not the person he's accused of having an affair with...I think. She does have clearance for the documents, so it's a non-story.
Haven't been paying attention, don't really care.


Security clearances generally do not allow you to take classified information home or out of secure spaces.
 
2012-11-14 10:06:42 PM  

cretinbob:

This is not the person he's accused of having an affair with...I think. She does have clearance for the documents, so it's a non-story.
Haven't been paying attention, don't really care.


I seriously doubt her garage doubles as a farking SCIF.
 
2012-11-14 10:06:56 PM  

cretinbob: cman: God damn it

I was hoping that this was just a simple adultery.

This is not the person he's accused of having an affair with...I think. She does have clearance for the documents, so it's a non-story.
Haven't been paying attention, don't really care.


This is the woman he's accused of having an affair with.
 
2012-11-14 10:08:39 PM  

cretinbob: cman: God damn it

I was hoping that this was just a simple adultery.

This is not the person he's accused of having an affair with...I think. She does have clearance for the documents, so it's a non-story.
Haven't been paying attention, don't really care.


It takes more than a clearance to be allowed to have classified documents. You also need to have a "need to know" and a secure means of storage. Someone can have top secret security clearance and still get in BIG trouble for having classified documents they're not supposed to have. Especially if those documents were improperly stored or improperly disposed of.

There may not have been a nefarious plot behind her having them, but that doesn't mean she's in the clear.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-14 10:11:44 PM  
My understanding is this:

If she mishandled classified documents she loses her clearance and never works in the secret part of the defense industry again.

If she also tried to get information she shouldn't have had, they look at criminal espionage charges.
 
2012-11-14 10:13:24 PM  

Sgt Otter: I seriously doubt her garage doubles as a farking SCIF.

which is required to be handled within formal access control systems established by the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI).


Heh... Maybe DCI issued a memo clearing her garage as secure storage. This whole thing is just incredibly embarrassing and sad.
 
2012-11-14 10:25:05 PM  

Sgt Otter: I seriously doubt her garage doubles as a farking SCIF.


Evidently a SCIF can be mobile, according to the wiki link.
 
2012-11-14 10:51:37 PM  
I'm forever paranoid, so what's attracted my attention so far with this story was this series of events:

1. Paula Broadwell's dad: "This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out. There is a lot more that is going to come out ... You wait and see. There's a lot more here than meets the eye." LINK
2. Cops: "Hey, somebody found your daughter's driver's license in that park where they found Gary Condit's mistress's remains" LINK
3: Broadwell Family: "You need to get your a** off this property right this very second. We don't want to talk." LINK
 
2012-11-14 11:04:50 PM  

Triumph:
2. Cops: "Hey, somebody found your daughter's driver's license in that park where they found Gary Condit's mistress's remains" LINK


Spoken like someone who knows nothing about Rock Creek park. Dude, it's the biggest urban park in America, bigger than Central Park. Millions of people go there. It's not "the park where Chandry Levy was found."
 
2012-11-14 11:18:41 PM  

Rincewind53: It's not "the park where Chandry Levy was found."


Pretty sure it is. And yes, I've been in and around Rock Creek Park. And I said right up front I was paranoid, so there you go.
 
2012-11-14 11:22:11 PM  

NewportBarGuy: cretinbob: She does have clearance for the documents, so it's a non-story.

Security clearances don't really work like that. I'm assuming she had TS/SCI clearance. However, that does not give you any kind of clearance to just read everything classified as top secret. You have to have a specific reason to have or view that classified information.

If she has sh*t that was not pertinent to a specific job requirement, she has violated the whole concept of clearance. If Petraeus gave her that info, they are both in a world of sh*t.


This!

The hot twins, shirtless FBI agent and Gen P's milfy biographer are bread and circuses. If either of them did not properly handle classified documents I would expect prison terms. I'm glad I'm not E. Holder. Prosecuting the head of the CIA is not for the faint of heart.
 
2012-11-14 11:25:49 PM  

Triumph: Rincewind53: It's not "the park where Chandry Levy was found."

Pretty sure it is. And yes, I've been in and around Rock Creek Park. And I said right up front I was paranoid, so there you go.


I mean that as a way to characterize the park, that's pretty stupid. Technically, you could also call DC "The city where she was found" and the Atlantic Seaboard "The coast on which her body was found." also, she was found in the same time zone as Paula Broadwell lives. Coincidence? I think not.
 
2012-11-14 11:38:26 PM  
Daaaaamn, this is entering soap opera levels of crazy.
 
2012-11-14 11:44:59 PM  

ZAZ: My understanding is this:

If she mishandled classified documents she loses her clearance and never works in the secret part of the defense industry again.

If she also tried to get information she shouldn't have had, they look at criminal espionage charges.


Why is it when these things finally get exposed, it looks lie every last person has ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE OF BOUNDARIES? And yet, clearances.

*headdesk*

/Aldrich Aimes
// Robert Hanssen
 
2012-11-14 11:47:54 PM  

Rincewind53: I mean that as a way to characterize the park, that's pretty stupid. Technically, you could also call DC "The city where she was found" and the Atlantic Seaboard "The coast on which her body was found."


If you go to the Wiki entry for Rock Creek Park, Chandra Levy is mentioned in the 7 paragraph main summary of the Park. So I don't see why it's "stupid" to say it is commonly known for that.
 
2012-11-14 11:54:22 PM  

NewportBarGuy: If she has sh*t that was not pertinent to a specific job requirement, she has violated the whole concept of clearance. If Petraeus gave her that info, they are both in a world of sh*t.


And Lindsey Graham will wag his finger at Obama for it.
 
2012-11-15 12:15:33 AM  

Mentat: NewportBarGuy: If she has sh*t that was not pertinent to a specific job requirement, she has violated the whole concept of clearance. If Petraeus gave her that info, they are both in a world of sh*t.

And Lindsey Graham will wag his finger at Obama for it.


THIS article claims charges are unlikely, but who knows? What I would like to know is how she is viewed by the government as a book writer. It seems to me that journalists have a history of publishing classified information (Pentagon Papers, etc.). Why would you allow any journalist to have a clearance and why would any real journalist want one?
 
2012-11-15 12:19:52 AM  
themediajunkie.files.wordpress.com

If you haven't already seen it then check it out. It's eerily similar to this situation. What's worse is that I thought people in such lofty positions weren't such morons as portrayed in the film.
 
2012-11-15 12:21:38 AM  

Triumph: Why would you allow any journalist to have a clearance and why would any real journalist want one?


She's an intelligence officer in the Army Reserve.
 
2012-11-15 12:36:39 AM  

Sgt Otter: She's an intelligence officer in the Army Reserve.


And writing a book about a (then) army General. I'm just curious what the protocols are for that. I assume it all gets vetted, which I guess means it's not what some would consider real journalism.
 
2012-11-15 12:53:47 AM  
She probably just suspects Petraeus has been turned.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:50 AM  
for all of the folks complaining he should not have to step down for adultery- THIS IS WHY HE SHOULD!
 
2012-11-15 01:00:37 AM  
Subby; she HAD security clearances. They were revoked earlier today.
 
2012-11-15 01:03:29 AM  

Mentat: And Lindsey Graham will wag his finger at Obama for it.


Horizontally.

/Try it. You'll get it.
 
2012-11-15 01:03:49 AM  
Has anyone yet mentioned that fat guy who worked for Clinton?
 
2012-11-15 01:04:36 AM  
News outlets sure do like the word "alleged" too much. Video title: Classified Documents Taken from Alleged Petraeus Mistress' Home

Ummm... Is anything about her being his mistress "alleged" anymore? Seriously?
 
2012-11-15 01:07:47 AM  
Somehow, this is Fartbama's fault.
 
2012-11-15 01:11:29 AM  

mahuika: She probably just suspects Petraeus has been turned.


Or was in the cross hairs to be compromised - hence the stay-away-from-Petraeus emails. I wonder who she thought Jill Kelley was working for.
 
2012-11-15 01:13:29 AM  

Sgt Otter: cretinbob:

This is not the person he's accused of having an affair with...I think. She does have clearance for the documents, so it's a non-story.
Haven't been paying attention, don't really care.

I seriously doubt her garage doubles as a farking SCIF.


Don't worry, the maid knows not to go in there
 
2012-11-15 01:15:17 AM  

I_Hate_Iowa: News outlets sure do like the word "alleged" too much. Video title: Classified Documents Taken from Alleged Petraeus Mistress' Home

Ummm... Is anything about her being his mistress "alleged" anymore? Seriously?


Nothing's news once people are found guilty. So yeah, alleged. Otherwise a libel lawsuit is won just after the trial.
 
2012-11-15 01:22:22 AM  

tlchwi02: for all of the folks complaining he should not have to step down for adultery- THIS IS WHY HE SHOULD!


Well Yah. Adultery is his "spend more time with the family" excuse. This was never about the unsanctioned sexy time.
 
2012-11-15 01:22:55 AM  
So...what's going on right now that they are masking by plastering this stuff all over the news?
 
2012-11-15 01:23:11 AM  
Never stick your dick in crazy. Of course, we'd have a world of virgins and no children unless they were test tube babies. That still wouldnt' stop the DNA so I'm afraid we're doomed.
 
2012-11-15 01:23:21 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: Has anyone yet mentioned that fat guy who worked for Clinton?


Uhh....Linda Tripp?
 
2012-11-15 01:27:42 AM  

Ambivalence: Insatiable Jesus: Has anyone yet mentioned that fat guy who worked for Clinton?

Uhh....Linda Tripp?


No this guy

Link
 
2012-11-15 01:28:33 AM  

Dallymo: So was she up to some kind of espionage funny business, or just an off-kilter military intelligence fangirl?

Broadwell is a West Point grad and a lieutenant colonel in the Army Reserve, and apparently smuggled classified documents out of secure buildings. She is like the unholy love child of Oliver North and Fawn Hall.


She's an author.

I'm doubting espionage. Probably was lining up to write a book she thought she could sit on for a decade or two before asking for clearance to publish it.

There really is little other reason to have the stuff laying around unless you want to peruse it at your own leisure.
 
2012-11-15 01:29:04 AM  

Dr.Zom: mahuika: She probably just suspects Petraeus has been turned.

Or was in the cross hairs to be compromised - hence the stay-away-from-Petraeus emails. I wonder who she thought Jill Kelley was working for.


I was actually kidding, a person with a level of security clearance illegally taking home classified documents is a plot point in Homeland.
 
2012-11-15 01:29:27 AM  

ds615: So...what's going on right now that they are masking by plastering this stuff all over the news?


If you want to read up on what's going on in Gaza, go elsewhere - this is Fark.
 
2012-11-15 01:31:31 AM  
Not any more she doesn't:

Link
 
2012-11-15 01:32:23 AM  

Sgt Otter: Triumph: Why would you allow any journalist to have a clearance and why would any real journalist want one?

She's an intelligence officer in the Army Reserve.


Apparently not that intelligent.

At this time of day, it's unlikely (although not impossible) that she was engaged in espionage for any hostile power...anyone who would send a threatening message to her lover's supposed "other woman" isn't my idea of spy material. She's more likely to be a classified-document junkie. Which doesn't let either her or Petraeus off the hook (if he was the source of her information, or got her access to places where she got it).

Either way, for anyone who doubts it--yeah, this is why the government and military takes adultery very seriously. It's not because of the sex. It's because of everything else that gets compromised along the way.
 
2012-11-15 01:32:36 AM  
You DO NOT remove classified information from a secure area to an unsecure area, on-base or off. PERIOD. Those are the rules and they are pretty explicit and DoDM 5200.01-V3 is pretty specific about who sees it and how it is handled...even for the purposes of research. She screwed up becuase of her assumed privilige, arrogance and celebrity status.
 
2012-11-15 01:32:57 AM  
Security issues aside, I would really like to see some light shed on the allegedly bogus cancer charity socialite Kelley was running with her husband and sister. I heard all funds raised were spent on expenses and not a cent went to charity. Meanwhile, the Kelleys are drowning in debt.
 
2012-11-15 01:33:46 AM  
Paula Broadwell in Classified Document Probe

Heh, they said "probe".


ds615: So...what's going on right now that they are masking by plastering this stuff all over the news?


B...B...B... BENGHAZI!!!
 
2012-11-15 01:35:02 AM  

turbidum: Not any more she doesn't:

Link


Hell, I bet if she was Enlisted that clearance would have been gone six months ago. Not because she did anything bad, but because someone misfiled paperwork. >.> What?
 
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