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(Washington Examiner)   The Right: Hey you guys remember that theory we've been pushing since about 2001 that the president's powers are nearly unlimited? Yeah, about a week ago Tuesday, we had a sudden epiphany about that, and yeah, never mind   (washingtonexaminer.com) divider line 24
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2012-11-14 05:03:02 PM
5 votes:
Okay everyone, stand back. I've got this.

*ahem*

"Everything changed after 9/11."

*bows*
2012-11-14 09:10:48 PM
4 votes:
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2012-11-14 08:17:32 PM
4 votes:
i don't give a sh*t when or how they got this epiphany, rolling back the bush-era power grab was a 2008 obama campaign promise and it's high time he made good on it.
2012-11-14 06:37:20 PM
4 votes:
Man, it's too bad no one warned them that a Democrat would eventually win the Presidency.
2012-11-14 09:19:51 PM
3 votes:

Phaeon: thomps: Magorn: thomps: i don't give a sh*t when or how they got this epiphany, rolling back the bush-era power grab was a 2008 obama campaign promise and it's high time he made good on it.

If you actually have paid attention he HAS in some massive ways, reforming FISA, disclaiming the infamous WH memos about "enemy combatants" and massively reforming FOIA. It's subtle to the casual observer but seismic if you know this area of law

i'll admit to not being very well educated on the subject, if someone could point me to a good summary of what he's done to roll back executive branch powers, i'd love to read it.

Second. However, I will go look up this FISA and FOIA, though. I need to get my information in order before I let any of my family know I'm turning bluer by the day.


I was working a FOIA request involving a major government agency when the transition happened, since I knew some of the FOIA analysts well, I was in their office making small talk when Obama's memo on FOIA was distributed a few weeks after the inauguration. thier jaws hit the floor in 203 they'd been told to make all questionable calls on the side of withholding information, that if anything could be potentially classified under a FOIA exception to do that. Obama told them to do the exact opposite: Always err on the side of disclosure, and even when something could be exempted think hard about whether it SHOULD be..
2012-11-14 08:26:25 PM
3 votes:

thomps: i don't give a sh*t when or how they got this epiphany, rolling back the bush-era power grab was a 2008 obama campaign promise and it's high time he made good on it.


If you actually have paid attention he HAS in some massive ways, reforming FISA, disclaiming the infamous WH memos about "enemy combatants" and massively reforming FOIA. It's subtle to the casual observer but seismic if you know this area of law
2012-11-14 09:43:43 PM
2 votes:

relcec: CynicalLA: relcec: the left is now apologizing for abuses that are even worse. so yeah, bsab

Worse than Guantanamo Bay and torture. I you say so.

obama has kept gtmo. he could put the 70 guys on a ship and send them to the navy brig in virginia, but he doesn;t want to.
I mean he has the wherewithall to fight a war without congressional support. surely he can send a supply ship 100 miles of florida to pick up 70 guys.
and I gues I should have said at least as bad. starting a war without authorization of congress, when congress in fact voted specifically not to authorize, then ignoring the war powers act, and then unilaterall legalizing 1.2 million illegal aliens contrary to law and the constituion which clearly vests immigration and naturalization with congress. yes at least as bad as waterboarding 3 men that murdered 3000 americans. and you chear it on.


yeah lets see, Congress is keeping GITMO open not Obama, do you mean Iraq, which he got us out off, Afganistan, which is winding down (neither of which he got us in) or Libya, which was just us coordinating our movements with nato and not actually having troops on the ground, which Republicans biatched about. And please show me where in the Constitution is illegal immigration brought up.
2012-11-14 09:08:58 PM
2 votes:

Harry_Seldon: This is he exact conversation on the filibuster right now.


Don't do away with it. It just needs to go back to the "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" era.
2012-11-14 06:50:24 PM
2 votes:
If we just shot all politicians full of sodium penthanol and forced them to give 20 minute speeches once it kicked in, I'd be all for political discussion.


As it is? Election's over. Shut up for awhile.
2012-11-15 12:59:50 AM
1 votes:

red230: They're just trying to save us from this.

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2012-11-15 12:24:08 AM
1 votes:
This crap is like clockwork.

www.sourcewatch.org
2012-11-14 10:42:10 PM
1 votes:

thomps: The Why Not Guy: thomps: f*ck me for admitting imperfect knowledge on the internet.

Oh get off the cross. You came out swinging, and when you were shown to be wrong you're all "well, I don't know anything about it anyway".

Let me flip it so you understand. I have no idea if you robbed a bank yesterday. I haven't heard anything about it on the news. But I won't let it stop me from accusing you of robbing a bank. Wouldn't that be silly? Or, I could take the 10 seconds necessary to pop over to Google and see if you had or hadn't robbed a bank before shooting my mouth off.

he extended the PATRIOT act, pushed for the renewal of FISA, has been an active proponent of extrajudicial assassinations. sorry if i don't notice the things that are "subtle to the casual observer" but do see the things that are publicly denounced by his own base.


One. One extrajudicial assassination unless you know of any more than I do. And it's been acknowledged that that was done to prevent having to go to war in Yemen. ALL presidents have been proponents of and used extrajudicial assassination precisely because of that reason: To kill certain individuals without having to go to war in countries that can't or won't allow us to pursue them via legal means. I don't like it and neither does anybody else with two brain cells to rub together, but that doesn't mean it doesn't go on and won't until the end of time.

And extending the Patriot Act has been a foregone conclusion since it was given that name. In today's climate, do you think ANYONE is going to go on record as "opposing the PATRIOT ACT"? You might as well expect a politician to go on record opposing the God save fluffy bunnies act. You should at least try to understand how politics works before you excoriate the outward results of certain actions.
2012-11-14 10:09:37 PM
1 votes:

thomps: f*ck me for admitting imperfect knowledge on the internet.


Oh get off the cross. You came out swinging, and when you were shown to be wrong you're all "well, I don't know anything about it anyway".

Let me flip it so you understand. I have no idea if you robbed a bank yesterday. I haven't heard anything about it on the news. But I won't let it stop me from accusing you of robbing a bank. Wouldn't that be silly? Or, I could take the 10 seconds necessary to pop over to Google and see if you had or hadn't robbed a bank before shooting my mouth off.
2012-11-14 09:47:35 PM
1 votes:

relcec: thomps: tenpoundsofcheese: No, subby, when did the right say the President's powers are nearly unlimited?

citation?

google "unitary executive theory president bush huge boner for"

google fark brigade never says a word about presedential power abuses after 2009. they love them in fact. google that. you are the same assholes. just on different teams. identical in your craveness and depravity.


amazing, when the president doesn't start 2 wars under false pretenses, there might be less to talk about concerning presidential power abuses!!

/yeah, there have been a hell of a lot of threads about GITMO/drones where have you been
2012-11-14 09:07:59 PM
1 votes:
It's analogous to the epiphany they might soon have about why minority rights are important...
2012-11-14 09:00:15 PM
1 votes:
A lot of these powers come from the declaration of "War on Terror" that Congress rushed through right after 9/11. If there are terrorists anywhere the U.S military is authorized to shoot them and/or blow them up. I'm surprised people aren't callng for that to be revisited.
2012-11-14 08:59:38 PM
1 votes:
I can't wait until liberals control the supreme court. Obama's win will make that happen.
2012-11-14 08:54:40 PM
1 votes:
After FDR's 12-year reign...

I have a hard time taking someone seriously when they use the term "reign" to describe a President's term.
2012-11-14 08:50:16 PM
1 votes:

CynicalLA: We told you so. Cheney was a big fan of the unitary executive theory when they were in the white house. I wonder what he thinks about it now.


I wonder if he was naive/partisan enough to think no Democrat could weild it effectively? Or was it "I got mine, fark you" figuring he had it when he needed it and would be dead before it mattered much how it played out afterwards? Or of course, both....
2012-11-14 08:46:43 PM
1 votes:
His prediction, I predict will be full of shiat.

After they get over the shock, they will double the derp. Redistricting, buying more voting machine companies, throwing out voter registrations they'll be working on until the next election, blaming Obama for them not supporting anything, and have their shills like O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and Shrodinger working the media and Internet.

Yawn.
2012-11-14 08:46:22 PM
1 votes:
This is he exact conversation on the filibuster right now.
2012-11-14 08:42:50 PM
1 votes:

thomps: Magorn: thomps: i don't give a sh*t when or how they got this epiphany, rolling back the bush-era power grab was a 2008 obama campaign promise and it's high time he made good on it.

If you actually have paid attention he HAS in some massive ways, reforming FISA, disclaiming the infamous WH memos about "enemy combatants" and massively reforming FOIA. It's subtle to the casual observer but seismic if you know this area of law

i'll admit to not being very well educated on the subject, if someone could point me to a good summary of what he's done to roll back executive branch powers, i'd love to read it.


Second. However, I will go look up this FISA and FOIA, though. I need to get my information in order before I let any of my family know I'm turning bluer by the day.
2012-11-14 08:30:43 PM
1 votes:
I'm sure they would have felt the exact same if Romney had been elected. Scout's honor!
2012-11-14 05:36:12 PM
1 votes:
Great article. It's as though the rules are there for allowing you to do what you want to do, not any sort of sustainable, objective, proper, and fair system.
 
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