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(Washington Examiner)   The Right: Hey you guys remember that theory we've been pushing since about 2001 that the president's powers are nearly unlimited? Yeah, about a week ago Tuesday, we had a sudden epiphany about that, and yeah, never mind   (washingtonexaminer.com) divider line 119
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2012-11-15 12:39:50 AM  

Fista-Phobia: [i1199.photobucket.com image 454x372]

Really?


I'm glad that I'm not the only one to notice that
 
2012-11-15 12:40:32 AM  

relcec: exactly, obama is a guilty as bush ever was of gtmo's existence. the only constraint keeping him from closing has ever been popularity, which is the only thing that guides his compass in any event. speaking of which it shouldn't really matter at all now since he can't run again.


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2012-11-15 12:41:21 AM  
No, I do not recall any such theory.
 
2012-11-15 12:43:19 AM  
Is anyone else getting a warning in Google Chrome on the second page regarding MalWare from some place called FohGuild?
 
2012-11-15 12:48:26 AM  

Professor Doctor Doctor Professor: Is anyone else getting a warning in Google Chrome on the second page regarding MalWare from some place called FohGuild?


Yes, I did. Though I have my comments set up to view all of them on one page.
 
2012-11-15 12:48:40 AM  
o5iiawah (farkied: Right-wing wharrgarbler with a wharrgarbl name): The dream ACT is a bill and not law. the president has no authority to execute a bill which has not come to his desk.

So write to your congressman and your senators.

Tell them you want them to fund ICE so they can round up all the Greasy Spics.

Tell them you want them to fund ICE so they can swarm this land with goonsagents to flag down anyone who looks a little darkish, ask them Sus papeles, por favor and beat the mierda out of them when they answer in English.

Tell them you want them to build the Great Wall of Texas.

And then STFU about the taxes needed to pay for it all.

i187.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-15 12:50:04 AM  

Fista-Phobia: [i1199.photobucket.com image 454x372]

Really?


Yes really, that's why I called him a communist fascist. Study it out.
 
2012-11-15 12:59:50 AM  

red230: They're just trying to save us from this.

[www.fohguild.org image 419x342]


i115.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-15 12:59:55 AM  

Professor Doctor Doctor Professor: Is anyone else getting a warning in Google Chrome on the second page regarding MalWare from some place called FohGuild?


I got that too, whats that all about?
 
2012-11-15 01:18:53 AM  

relcec: The Mavrick: relcec: obama has kept gtmo. he could put the 70 guys on a ship and send them to the navy brig in virginia. but he doesn;t want to.

Citation Needed.

what citation? he started a war all by himself. he ignores the consitution any time it is politically expedient. why can't he take 50 dudes, put them on a supply ship headed for a virginia brig 400 miles away. it would take 24 hours. there is no law saying the president has to keep them there. and even if the consitution said he had to he would be willing to violate the consitution if it meant the hispanic blcok would vote for him, he showed that.


So in order to prove your assertion that the President could just move people out of Gitmo whenever he wanted and so he obviously wants them there, you're going to . . . tell the same two lies as before?

Like I said, you hate Obama and, to you, it doesn't matter why. You've already reached your conclusion, and if the facts don't fit, then they get discarded. I guess I just don't get the appeal of believing something that can't stand on facts.
 
2012-11-15 01:46:37 AM  

relcec: Sid_6.7: what citation? he started a war all by himself. he ignores the consitution any time it is politically expedient. why can't he take 50 dudes, put them on a supply ship headed for a virginia brig 400 miles away. it would take 24 hours. there is no law saying the president has to keep them there. and even if the consitution said he had to he would be willing to violate the consitution if it meant the hispanic blcok would vote for him, he showed that.

You seem to forget all the people whining that if we brought imprisoned terrorists onto shore it would somehow cause acts of terror to be committed, even if they're in supermax detention.



exactly, obama is a guilty as bush ever was of gtmo's existence. the only constraint keeping him from closing has ever been popularity, which is the only thing that guides his compass in any event. speaking of which it shouldn't really matter at all now since he can't run again.

but the vast majority of democrats don't really give a shiat about gitmo and never did. they ignore it. it's no longer politically useful to bring up.
the ones who at least have a tiny bit of principle and have a little cognitive dissonance from supporting a guy who maintains what they say they used to hate therefore create these lies for their own personal consumptin that somehow congress is making him keep it open.
see the idiot I responded to originally. at least you can admit the truth.
the only thing that guides his compass is political expediency.

see gay marriage: first he thought was good when his district liked the idea, then he said it was evil when he was running for president, then he magically thought it was good again when the nation finally flipped to not giving a shiat about it. but still not that good apparently because he thinks it is a states rights and doesn;t want to actually get involved but wants democrats to know he is now personally for it!

he's unbound by morality, legality, or even common f*cking sense. the perfect polit ...


That.....doesn't even make any sense. Not even gramatically.
 
2012-11-15 01:53:01 AM  

Magorn: thomps: i don't give a sh*t when or how they got this epiphany, rolling back the bush-era power grab was a 2008 obama campaign promise and it's high time he made good on it.

If you actually have paid attention he HAS in some massive ways, reforming FISA, disclaiming the infamous WH memos about "enemy combatants" and massively reforming FOIA. It's subtle to the casual observer but seismic if you know this area of law


NDAA ... ya, that's rolling back in massive ways.
 
2012-11-15 02:29:16 AM  
John Yoo testified before Congress as a Bush lawyer that when we are at war (since 2001 with no letup in sight) that the President has the authority to have a young boy's testicles crushed in front of his parents to extract information from them (it is on YouTube if you care to look it up). Odd that the statement didn't make headlines with reporters having to scrape their jaws off the ground.

Obama tried to extend our stay in Iraq but Iraq wouldn't extend the immunity of our soldiers. Guantanamo is still open. I just don't see that much difference between Obama and W on the war issue other than Obama doubled down with the surge and using drones to kill US citizens.
 
2012-11-15 03:22:03 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Tell them you want them to fund ICE so they can swarm this land with goonsagents to flag down anyone who looks a little darkish,


You havent read SB1070 and you dont know the Constitution so this conversation is pointless.
 
2012-11-15 05:28:49 AM  
This was all predicted back when the Bush administration made their power grab. Sooner or later a Democrat would take office and utilize those same powers. The people that were at the time defending Bush would suddenly find reasons to dislike the abuses, while many of the ones critical of Bush would get partisan blinders for a lot of it. It's home-team politics, where people are drawn to defend "their guy" no matter what simply because it comes off as weakness or an admission of wrongdoing to recognize that there might be serious problems, regardless of who is in office or what he's doing to your tax rate. Conservatives who chided Bush for all of this were derided as RINOs or worse. Liberals who speak out against Obama on these same matters are brushed off either as trolls or wide-eyed idealist wackos.
 
2012-11-15 06:56:00 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: No, subby, when did the right say the President's powers are nearly unlimited?

citation?


look up The legal Memos from John Yoo, David Addington, and Jay Bybee. They say almost exactly that verbatim, and advance the "Unitary executive" Theory That, for example the DOJ can't prosecute anyone in the WH because both are part of the executive branch and the executive can't prosecute itself because it is a unitary entity

eg:
Cassel: If the President deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can stop him?
Yoo: No treaty.
Cassel: Also no law by Congress. That is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.
Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.

Yoo argues presidential powers on Constitutional grounds, but where in the Constitution does it say the President can order the torture of children ? As David Cole puts it, "Yoo reasoned that because the Constitution makes the President the 'Commander-in-Chief,' no law can restrict the actions he may take in pursuit of war. On this reasoning, the President would be entitled by the Constitution to resort to genocide if he wished."
 
2012-11-15 07:29:04 AM  

o5iiawah: Lee Jackson Beauregard: Tell them you want them to fund ICE so they can swarm this land with goonsagents to flag down anyone who looks a little darkish,

You havent read SB1070 and you dont know the Constitution so this conversation is pointless.


It's doubly pointless, because it doesn't matter what he, you, or I think about SB1070. What the soon-to-be Hispanic majorityy in Arizona thinks about it - that matters. The smart money says Arizona goes Blue in the next two or three cycles.
 
2012-11-15 07:53:12 AM  

Dr.Zom: Mentat: Man, it's too bad no one warned them that a Democrat would eventually win the Presidency.

How could they with a permanent Republican majority?

/permanent Republican majority


What used to concern me, a lot, was: why would Darth Cheney give his chimp such powers if he ever thought The Enemy would be in power? Darth, the man who had a plan to invade Iraq before 9/11, who insisted on evidence tying Saddam to 9/11, who was torture's greatest fan, who frequently talked about White House Über Alles. The implications were scary.

Turns out Darth was really not much brighter than the chimp, as his post-office whining has shown. He had the same dimwitted faith that they would just hang onto power because derp.
 
2012-11-15 06:37:46 PM  
The right-wing didn't argue the president had unlimited power. They argued that the president had set powers under the Constitution and Congress couldn't usurp them. As to limits, the congress already can impeach him for anything they want. That's a pretty nebulous limit that can be pulled at any time.
 
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