Okay everyone, stand back. I've got this.

*ahem*

"Everything changed after 9/11."

*bows*

Mentat: Man, it's too bad no one warned them that a Democrat would eventually win the Presidency.

Pffft. Foresight and circumspection are for heathens and traitors.

serial_crusher: I thought the rulewas that presidents I agree with have unlimited power, but presidents I disagree with are traitors trampling on the constitution.

It is. SWITCH PLACES!1!!1!!1

I'm sure they would have felt the exact same if Romney had been elected. Scout's honor!

If only you were warned that you wouldn't be in office forever and one day someone from the opposite party would be sitting in that chair with all those powers you wanted.

Mentat: Man, it's too bad no one warned them that a Democrat would eventually win the Presidency.

How could they with a permanent Republican majority?

/permanent Republican majority

Really though?

Lost Thought 00: Magorn: thomps: i don't give a sh*t when or how they got this epiphany, rolling back the bush-era power grab was a 2008 obama campaign promise and it's high time he made good on it.

If you actually have paid attention he HAS in some massive ways, reforming FISA, disclaiming the infamous WH memos about "enemy combatants" and massively reforming FOIA. It's subtle to the casual observer but seismic if you know this area of law

Yeah, but drones

Bingo.

Ed Finnerty: Okay everyone, stand back. I've got this.

*ahem*

"Everything changed after 9/11."

*bows*

I think you're on to something... After 9/11 #1 (2001), the president was imbued with mystical powers BUT after 9/11 #2 (2012), it was like in a cartoon where a concussion can be healed by a second concussion: the powers disappeared. Obama is just so clueless that he is trying to use his superpowers while being completely unaware that he is impotent.

I believe the term you're looking for is "Absolute monarchy."

thomps: Magorn: thomps: i don't give a sh*t when or how they got this epiphany, rolling back the bush-era power grab was a 2008 obama campaign promise and it's high time he made good on it.

If you actually have paid attention he HAS in some massive ways, reforming FISA, disclaiming the infamous WH memos about "enemy combatants" and massively reforming FOIA. It's subtle to the casual observer but seismic if you know this area of law

i'll admit to not being very well educated on the subject, if someone could point me to a good summary of what he's done to roll back executive branch powers, i'd love to read it.

Second. However, I will go look up this FISA and FOIA, though. I need to get my information in order before I let any of my family know I'm turning bluer by the day.

Ed Finnerty: serial_crusher: I thought the rulewas that presidents I agree with have unlimited power, but presidents I disagree with are traitors trampling on the constitution.

It is. SWITCH PLACES!1!!1!!1

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FTA: "...Jennifer Rubin..."

Me: Faaaarrrrtttt!

We told you so. Cheney was a big fan of the unitary executive theory when they were in the white house. I wonder what he thinks about it now.

This is he exact conversation on the filibuster right now.

His prediction, I predict will be full of shiat.

After they get over the shock, they will double the derp. Redistricting, buying more voting machine companies, throwing out voter registrations they'll be working on until the next election, blaming Obama for them not supporting anything, and have their shills like O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and Shrodinger working the media and Internet.

Yawn.

UberDave: I've just had an apostrophe...

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Glenn Close is in that movie. She is the pirate that gets put in the "Boo" box. Study it out.

CynicalLA: We told you so. Cheney was a big fan of the unitary executive theory when they were in the white house. I wonder what he thinks about it now.

I wonder if he was naive/partisan enough to think no Democrat could weild it effectively? Or was it "I got mine, fark you" figuring he had it when he needed it and would be dead before it mattered much how it played out afterwards? Or of course, both....

Typical of these cowards.....

I can't wait until liberals control the supreme court. Obama's win will make that happen.

A lot of these powers come from the declaration of "War on Terror" that Congress rushed through right after 9/11. If there are terrorists anywhere the U.S military is authorized to shoot them and/or blow them up. I'm surprised people aren't callng for that to be revisited.

It's analogous to the epiphany they might soon have about why minority rights are important...

Leo Bloom's Freakout: CynicalLA: We told you so. Cheney was a big fan of the unitary executive theory when they were in the white house. I wonder what he thinks about it now.

I wonder if he was naive/partisan enough to think no Democrat could weild it effectively? Or was it "I got mine, fark you" figuring he had it when he needed it and would be dead before it mattered much how it played out afterwards? Or of course, both....

It's probably both and it looks like he was planning on it since Nixon.


President Ford, along with his Chief of Staff Donald Rumsfeld and aide Dick Cheney, tried unsuccessfully to stem the tide. Ford vetoed strengthening of the Freedom of Information Act, but was overridden. Campaign finance laws were enacted. Ford's Rockefeller Commission, which conducted a limited review of domestic CIA operations, was overtaken by the much more aggressive Church Committee and other post-Watergate Congressional investigations. The Church Committee published reports on CIA plots to assassinate foreign leaders, mail opening operations, NSA electronic surveillance, FBI's COINTELPRO operations against dissident groups and others, the FBI's harassment of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and more. Deeper secrets, like the CIA's MKULTRA drug-and-hypnosis "mind control" program, and CIA relations with the media, remained only partially exposed.
For some, these exposes and the weakening of the Presidency were not welcome events. Ford White House aide Dick Cheney and his boss Donald Rumsfeld, who both went on to prominent positions in the Bush White House, were among them. Cheney's oft-cited expansive view of Presidential powers derives in part from his experience in the Ford post-Watergate administration.
 

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The right did itself no favors during the Bush presidency. They allowed immeasurable over-reaches of the government because it was "our guy" in charge of the White House. All of a sudden, someone from the other party gets in there with the mechanism in place for Constitutional overreach and the right is in a bind about it.

Big government is big government - even when it is "our guy" in charge of it.

Dr.Zom: Mentat: Man, it's too bad no one warned them that a Democrat would eventually win the Presidency.

How could they with a permanent Republican majority?

/permanent Republican majority

they thought this was China for a second, one party and all...

o5iiawah: The right did itself no favors during the Bush presidency. They allowed immeasurable over-reaches of the government because it was "our guy" in charge of the White House. All of a sudden, someone from the other party gets in there with the mechanism in place for Constitutional overreach and the right is in a bind about it.

Big government is big government - even when it is "our guy" in charge of it.

Yep, and no President is going to give up powers for the good of the country.

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you sound like onna them commie marx brothers

/stay in the white house, karl!

Mentat: Man, it's too bad no one warned them that a Democrat would eventually win the Presidency.

But remember all that talk about the "permanent Republican majority"? It's almost as if it was an idiotic idea promoted by a bunch of complete morons.

o5iiawah: The right did itself no favors during the Bush presidency. They allowed immeasurable over-reaches of the government because it was "our guy" in charge of the White House. All of a sudden, someone from the other party gets in there with the mechanism in place for Constitutional overreach and the right is in a bind about it.

Big government is big government - even when it is "our guy" in charge of it.

the left is now apologizing for abuses that are even worse. so yeah, bsab

thomps: Lionel Mandrake: After FDR's 12-year reign...

I have a hard time taking someone seriously when they use the term "reign" to describe a President's term.

no kidding, "reign" implies legitimacy, which this usurper most certainly does not have.

I had done a search on your name to see if anybody had responded to you and gave you the education that you are obviously lacking in regards to what has actually happened...then I read this post, and had a moment of clarity. You are just a ****ing idiot who is trying to troll people by being stupid

I have nothing but pity for you, and hope that you find a better purpose for your life. Going to internet discussion forums like we have here are Fark.com and trolling by being stupid is just pathetic. If you really don't have anything better to do with your life, I suggest you go out, get an education, maybe actually find a purpose for your life. What you are doing now is simply just pathetic and sad. I would say you should live up to your potential, but I am scared to death that this IS the peak of your potential, which just makes me feel bad for humanity...

relcec: the left is now apologizing for abuses that are even worse. so yeah, bsab

Worse than Guantanamo Bay and torture. I you say so.

No, subby, when did the right say the President's powers are nearly unlimited?

citation?