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(Some Guy)   An on-the-ground examination of the genesis of one of those many leave-the-union petitions. Submitted mostly because of the petitioner's surname   (theshorthorn.com) divider line 86
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2012-11-14 06:17:16 PM  
Of course, he might have wanted to, you know, do some research on secession and how it turned out before.
 
2012-11-14 06:37:46 PM  
Or, perhaps, think ahead to what would happen to Texas if it suddenly lost all federal governmental funding, all ability to purchase resources domestically from the other 49 states and lost the federally supported space/military programs that parts of Texas rely on (not to mention the protection of the US military itself).

But, he doesn't seem all that smart, so...
 
2012-11-14 06:44:38 PM  
I cannot believe the number of morons that are "concerned" about the national debt. As if they even have a grasp of the issue or its causes and solutions, let alone government expenditures as a percent of GDP versus tax revenue. This issue is just like Benghazi: cooked up in the fevered minds of Roger Ailes and Rush Limbaugh, and then repeated so many times that the morons listening think they actually BELIEVE the horsepoop flowing into their brains.
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2012-11-14 07:49:46 PM  
Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.
 
2012-11-14 08:02:34 PM  
I wonder how long he spent thinking about the pose he would adopt for his picture.

Oh, and this:

Hurd said two things he wants to point out is that he did not post this in response to Obama winning the election and it is definitely not a racial issue.

is the best line in the article.
 
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2012-11-14 08:08:47 PM  
I think it's funny how obviously these people haven't thought the issue through. Do they think a simple majority would be enough to succeed?

I wonder how these people will find jobs when their position is as thoroughly discredited as segregation was in the late sixties.
 
2012-11-14 08:11:09 PM  
Hurd? What is so interesting about the petitioner's surname? Is it because it sounds like turd? Is it because it's a homophone of heard?
 
2012-11-14 08:13:33 PM  
I'd be interested to see the venn diagram of the people involved in this chicanery and those that believed it was seditious to criticize Bush during the ramping up and fark up of the Iraq War.
 
2012-11-14 08:14:05 PM  
www.sfmuseum.net

"Well Mr. Hurd(urr), I think that you, me and this gun I carry in my jacket should be having a talk"
 
2012-11-14 08:14:10 PM  

turbidum: Hurd? What is so interesting about the petitioner's surname? Is it because it sounds like turd? Is it because it's a homophone of heard?


Hurrrrrrrrrrd.

canitbesaturdaynow.com
 
2012-11-14 08:15:14 PM  

djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.


For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.
 
2012-11-14 08:16:39 PM  

cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.


Put yourself in our shoes: we weren't creating online petitions to secede in November 2004.
 
2012-11-14 08:18:49 PM  

coeyagi: cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.

Put yourself in our shoes: we weren't creating online petitions to secede in November 2004.


Considering that "Web 2.0" was at its dawn, that surprises me not. This was before social media overload. The most anyone could do to gather steam was via IRC, random message boards, and Geocities pages\\.
 
2012-11-14 08:19:37 PM  
I love Texas' rationale for this secession. One of the biggest things is that they 'have a balanced budget'. Yeah, whatever Texas, I'd sure like to see you maintain that "balanced budget" without the federal tit to feed on. Maintaining your own highways and bridges, no FAA support at your airports, no federal fundung for your hospitals and schools.

Seriously, where do these dipshaits think all of this money is going to come from? They're either going to have to raise taxes across the board in the state, or the stuff is going to go bye-bye.
 
2012-11-14 08:19:48 PM  

cman: coeyagi: cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.

Put yourself in our shoes: we weren't creating online petitions to secede in November 2004.

Considering that "Web 2.0" was at its dawn, that surprises me not. This was before social media overload. The most anyone could do to gather steam was via IRC, random message boards, and Geocities pages\\.


To elaborate, many commentators agree that the Arab spring would not have succeeded if it wasnt for Twitter, facebook, and the like.
 
2012-11-14 08:20:54 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Or, perhaps, think ahead to what would happen to Texas if it suddenly lost all federal governmental funding, all ability to purchase resources domestically from the other 49 states and lost the federally supported space/military programs that parts of Texas rely on (not to mention the protection of the US military itself).

But, he doesn't seem all that smart, so...


This. Go ahead Texas. Drop out of the union. And as soon as the last US Army tank rolls over the border to the north, you'll see the Mexican army rolling over the one to the south.

And that's if you're lucky. Don't forget, without the federal government's backing the cartels will have more guns than you.
 
2012-11-14 08:22:17 PM  
Ah I remember when I was young and believed in things.
 
2012-11-14 08:22:24 PM  

coeyagi: cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.

Put yourself in our shoes: we weren't creating online petitions to secede in November 2004.


To be fair, I think one of the Baldwins (the good looking one?) was headed for Canada 11/2004.
 
2012-11-14 08:23:01 PM  

Mikey1969: I love Texas' rationale for this secession. One of the biggest things is that they 'have a balanced budget'. Yeah, whatever Texas, I'd sure like to see you maintain that "balanced budget" without the federal tit to feed on. Maintaining your own highways and bridges, no FAA support at your airports, no federal fundung for your hospitals and schools.

Seriously, where do these dipshaits think all of this money is going to come from? They're either going to have to raise taxes across the board in the state, or the stuff is going to go bye-bye.


Well, people IN Texas. Rick Perry already came out, or well his press secretary did, shooting down the idea of Texas seceding.
 
2012-11-14 08:23:08 PM  
"Because I didn't pay attention to grammatical errors does not mean I don't believe in what I said," Hurd said.

Bless his heart
 
2012-11-14 08:23:22 PM  

cman: coeyagi: cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.

Put yourself in our shoes: we weren't creating online petitions to secede in November 2004.

Considering that "Web 2.0" was at its dawn, that surprises me not. This was before social media overload. The most anyone could do to gather steam was via IRC, random message boards, and Geocities pages\\.


I considered that when I wrote my post, but again, if yahoos are going to do yahoo things, you think the lack of technology is going to hinder them?

Btw, we were slightly better off than a horrorscape of Geocities pages in 2004, that was more circa 2000 and before.
 
2012-11-14 08:24:54 PM  

djkutch: coeyagi: cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.

Put yourself in our shoes: we weren't creating online petitions to secede in November 2004.

To be fair, I think one of the Baldwins (the good looking one?) was headed for Canada 11/2004.


A Baldwin and a few other libs = / = 100,000+ petition signers to secede from the union, but please, keep playing into the "we can't appear to be liberally biased" masterstroke.
 
2012-11-14 08:26:25 PM  
The last group that really went at Texas seceding called themselves the Republic of Texas, a bunch of guys from Missouri who ended up in a shootout with the Texas Rangers.

First these guys sold license plates and whimsical souvenirs with Republic of Texas logos. Turns out they were not that harmless. They took over a small town between Austin and El Paso, in the Davis Mountains and terrorized the locals, and did lots of fraud.

While Texans look at the history of the Nation of Texas that joined the US by annexation, there is a sad fact that others don't understand that secession to a Texas is a subtle way of bragging about having been an independent country in the dream time -- a history that sets it apart from the other states, the same way that Texans fly six national flags as a proud historical gesture (and none of them are the British Union Jack).  That gets coopted by an amusement park company.
 
2012-11-14 08:27:07 PM  
Don't forget to pay your proportion of the national debt before seceeding. What? You thought you could deadbeat on the national debt by seceeding? No no no. You didn't think your clever plan through.
 
2012-11-14 08:27:25 PM  

Mikey1969: I love Texas' rationale for this secession. One of the biggest things is that they 'have a balanced budget'. Yeah, whatever Texas, I'd sure like to see you maintain that "balanced budget" without the federal tit to feed on. Maintaining your own highways and bridges, no FAA support at your airports, no federal fundung for your hospitals and schools.

Seriously, where do these dipshaits think all of this money is going to come from? They're either going to have to raise taxes across the board in the state, or the stuff is going to go bye-bye.


Actually, Texas, like most very populous states, gives more in taxes than funding received back. So it is likely they could actually lower taxes without a significant drop in services. Assuming relative peace with their neighbors, they would certainly be able to survive as a country. Wouldn't prosper, but they wouldn't necessarily turn into North Korea either.
 
2012-11-14 08:29:28 PM  

coeyagi: cman: coeyagi: cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.

Put yourself in our shoes: we weren't creating online petitions to secede in November 2004.

Considering that "Web 2.0" was at its dawn, that surprises me not. This was before social media overload. The most anyone could do to gather steam was via IRC, random message boards, and Geocities pages\\.

I considered that when I wrote my post, but again, if yahoos are going to do yahoo things, you think the lack of technology is going to hinder them?

Btw, we were slightly better off than a horrorscape of Geocities pages in 2004, that was more circa 2000 and before.


You also have to remember this was 3 years after 9/11. Partisanship was only starting to return in great numbers after this election. Partisanship started returning to normal levels that year because of the whole Iraq WMD issue. We were still pretty much united from the 9/11 attacks
 
2012-11-14 08:32:30 PM  

cman: coeyagi: cman: coeyagi: cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.

Put yourself in our shoes: we weren't creating online petitions to secede in November 2004.

Considering that "Web 2.0" was at its dawn, that surprises me not. This was before social media overload. The most anyone could do to gather steam was via IRC, random message boards, and Geocities pages\\.

I considered that when I wrote my post, but again, if yahoos are going to do yahoo things, you think the lack of technology is going to hinder them?

Btw, we were slightly better off than a horrorscape of Geocities pages in 2004, that was more circa 2000 and before.

You also have to remember this was 3 years after 9/11. Partisanship was only starting to return in great numbers after this election. Partisanship started returning to normal levels that year because of the whole Iraq WMD issue. We were still pretty much united from the 9/11 attacks


Alright, while I am still not fully convinced, I'll let some doubt linger and wait to see what happens when the next GOPer gets elected. Either way, it won't be as delicious as the current irony of the uber-patriotic-constitutionalist conservatives deciding they no longer want to be part of the greatest most awesomest country that has ever existed or will exist in this dimension or any other in the multiverse.
 
2012-11-14 08:33:56 PM  

coeyagi: djkutch: coeyagi: cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.

Put yourself in our shoes: we weren't creating online petitions to secede in November 2004.

To be fair, I think one of the Baldwins (the good looking one?) was headed for Canada 11/2004.

A Baldwin and a few other libs = / = 100,000+ petition signers to secede from the union, but please, keep playing into the "we can't appear to be liberally biased" masterstroke.


I think your sarcasm meter needs a wee adjustment.
 
2012-11-14 08:35:35 PM  
I.P. Freely?


/Amanda Huggenkiss?
 
2012-11-14 08:36:40 PM  

djkutch: coeyagi: djkutch: coeyagi: cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.

Put yourself in our shoes: we weren't creating online petitions to secede in November 2004.

To be fair, I think one of the Baldwins (the good looking one?) was headed for Canada 11/2004.

A Baldwin and a few other libs = / = 100,000+ petition signers to secede from the union, but please, keep playing into the "we can't appear to be liberally biased" masterstroke.

I think your sarcasm meter needs a wee adjustment.


Why do you hate my freedom to ignore or not see sarcasm? Why do you hate America?
 
2012-11-14 08:37:57 PM  
Huh, this got greened? I just loved that this petition came from someone named Hur(rrrr)d.

/subby
//first submission
///Huh.
 
2012-11-14 08:44:15 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-14 08:44:47 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-14 08:45:56 PM  
Micah "Budd" Hurd?
 
2012-11-14 08:46:22 PM  
I believe a huge percentage of the signers do not live in Texas.

In other words, "Secede, Texas. Please."
 
2012-11-14 08:49:11 PM  

jaytkay: I believe a huge percentage of the signers do not live in Texas.

In other words, "Secede, Texas. Please."


I just signed it. I hope they are a 3rd world country before the decade is out.
 
2012-11-14 08:50:49 PM  

cman: ...So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.


That's when we do the humane thing, and put the animal down.
 
2012-11-14 08:50:51 PM  
Fine, but 1/50th of the debt becomes yours.
 
2012-11-14 08:51:26 PM  
Oh, and all that military hardware has to be returned to the US.
 
2012-11-14 08:52:51 PM  
Do any of these people have an outline for what their constitution would say?

Would it be different at all, besides banning teh gheys, muslims, etc...?

Honestly kinda curious, because if there isn't much of a difference on actual policy, then it's clearly a case of take your ball and go home.
 
2012-11-14 08:57:10 PM  
Oh Mah Gurd! uhh, i mean, Oh Michah Hurd? (would work better with mike hurd. )
 
2012-11-14 09:00:19 PM  

coeyagi: cman: coeyagi: cman: coeyagi: cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.

Put yourself in our shoes: we weren't creating online petitions to secede in November 2004.

Considering that "Web 2.0" was at its dawn, that surprises me not. This was before social media overload. The most anyone could do to gather steam was via IRC, random message boards, and Geocities pages\\.

I considered that when I wrote my post, but again, if yahoos are going to do yahoo things, you think the lack of technology is going to hinder them?

Btw, we were slightly better off than a horrorscape of Geocities pages in 2004, that was more circa 2000 and before.

You also have to remember this was 3 years after 9/11. Partisanship was only starting to return in great numbers after this election. Partisanship started returning to normal levels that year because of the whole Iraq WMD issue. We were still pretty much united from the 9/11 attacks

Alright, while I am still not fully convinced, I'll let some doubt linger and wait to see what happens when the next GOPer gets elected. Either way, it won't be as delicious as the current irony of the uber-patriotic-constitutionalist conservatives deciding they no longer want to be part of the greatest most awesomest country that has ever existed or will exist in this dimension or any other in the multiverse.


I only hope we all get our heads out of our asses by then - seceding petitions might not have been a big thing in 2004, but leaving the country and "not my president" were. Of course, my solution then is the same as it is now: the losing party needs to grow up and learn from their mistakes.
 
2012-11-14 09:05:20 PM  

cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.


Well there's their problem. This isn't a "war"... Democrats are not the "enemy"... But the Republican sure have convinced their base of that fallacy. The problem is that they've been putting party before country for so long that they consider themselves a Republican (or Tea Party or Libertarian since they're all factions under the same umbrella) first, a Texan (or whatever state they're from) second, and an American last. They brush aside the fact that when the Democrats are trying to do something, they're not doing it to try and screw anyone over. They're just taking their best shot at addressing whatever issue they're addressing. Perhaps the fact that when Republicans do things it's often meant to screw someone over is also a contributing problem. They think everyone else is just as underhanded and spiteful as they are.

Fark all that noise... they need to remember that we're Americans. All of us here... we're in it together. They need to stop looking at their fellow Americans as the enemy. They throw around the word freedom all the time and pretend they know what it means, but then they turn around and try to tell other people who they can love, who they can marry, and what they can and can't do with their bodies. They don't denounce the highly racist and sexist elements in their party. They don't insist that if those people want to remain Republicans that they have to give up hating their fellow man. In fact... they seem to encourage it to a degree. They train themselves to think that "Liberals" stand for the opposite of what they actually stand for (liberty and equality). And considering how much they talk about liberty, it is hard not to come to the conclusion that the real part of the meaning they're taking issue with is the equality part... especially since they keep trying to legislate things that fall under "equality" as well and not in a good way.

By convincing themselves that anyone who isn't "on their side" is the enemy, they've shut down cooperation... they very thing our country's strength comes from (our ability to come together towards common goals and achieve them). And now that they've lost the election... that they aren't just going to have their way... all the sudden they need to secede. Well... I'm an American. They are too. If they can't handle sharing this great country of ours, well... they're free to leave if they want. I still care about my fellow Americans and it's becoming more and more clear every day that they simply don't.
 
2012-11-14 09:09:17 PM  

JohnnyC: cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.

Well there's their problem. This isn't a "war"... Democrats are not the "enemy"... But the Republican sure have convinced their base of that fallacy. The problem is that they've been putting party before country for so long that they consider themselves a Republican (or Tea Party or Libertarian since they're all factions under the same umbrella) first, a Texan (or whatever state they're from) second, and an American last. They brush aside the fact that when the Democrats are trying to do something, they're not doing it to try and screw anyone over. They're just taking their best shot at addressing whatever issue they're addressing. Perhaps the fact that when Republicans do things it's often meant to screw someone over is also a contributing problem. They think everyone else is just as underhanded and spiteful as they are.

Fark all that noise... they need to remember that we're Americans. All of us here... we're in it together. They need to stop looking at their fellow Americans as the enemy. They throw around the word freedom all the time and pretend they know what it means, but then they turn around and ...


Amen, bro.
 
2012-11-14 09:12:58 PM  

JohnnyC: cman: djkutch: Republicans can't win on ideas or policy. So, naturally, all that's left is to take the ball and go home.

What a bunch of pussies.

For one second, put yourself in their shoes.

They are angry. They feel like they are losing their representation in the federal government. When a group of people feel like they dont have control then serious shiat happens. This isnt just about political positions; it is about their team. We humans are competitive by nature fighting over power and resources. These people feel that their side is losing the current war, so they lash out. Their enemy the Democrats are winning and it looks like Republicans are losing their shot for retaking power. So, like an injured animal, it fights back with what it can.

I am not saying that I agree with their viewpoint, but understanding it is something that we should all strive for.

Well there's their problem. This isn't a "war"... Democrats are not the "enemy"... But the Republican sure have convinced their base of that fallacy. The problem is that they've been putting party before country for so long that they consider themselves a Republican (or Tea Party or Libertarian since they're all factions under the same umbrella) first, a Texan (or whatever state they're from) second, and an American last. They brush aside the fact that when the Democrats are trying to do something, they're not doing it to try and screw anyone over. They're just taking their best shot at addressing whatever issue they're addressing. Perhaps the fact that when Republicans do things it's often meant to screw someone over is also a contributing problem. They think everyone else is just as underhanded and spiteful as they are.

Fark all that noise... they need to remember that we're Americans. All of us here... we're in it together. They need to stop looking at their fellow Americans as the enemy. They throw around the word freedom all the time and pretend they know what it means, but then they turn around and ...


It is a war. We are always fighting a war. It is human nature. Humans thrive on competition. Some wars are fought with bombs and bullets, others with the ballot. The only time when we can put partisanship behind us is when we have a foreign enemy that could hurt us badly. When we are not fighting them we fight ourselves. This isnt even just an American thing. Arab leaders have done this for years, using Israel as an excuse to keep their own populations from uprising and removing the corrupt leaders from power. Nasser was one of the biggest proponents of this usage.
 
2012-11-14 09:13:47 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Actually, Texas, like most very populous states, gives more in taxes than funding received back. So it is likely they could actually lower taxes without a significant drop in services. Assuming relative peace with their neighbors, they would certainly be able to survive as a country. Wouldn't prosper, but they wouldn't necessarily turn into North Korea either.


Yeah, 6 cents on the dollar. The 39 cents on the dollar that New Jersey returns is far more impressive to me.

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2012-11-14 09:25:51 PM  

meat0918: Fine, but 1/50th of the debt becomes yours.


Why just 1/50th? Their share of the debt should be proportional to their population.
 
2012-11-14 09:35:15 PM  

cman: The only time when we can put partisanship behind us is when we have a foreign enemy that could hurt us badly. When we are not fighting them we fight ourselves. This isnt even just an American thing.


Honest question here. How do you think the Republicans would have acted if there was a Democrat in office when 9/11 happened?
 
2012-11-14 09:36:12 PM  

CynicalLA: cman: The only time when we can put partisanship behind us is when we have a foreign enemy that could hurt us badly. When we are not fighting them we fight ourselves. This isnt even just an American thing.

Honest question here. How do you think the Republicans would have acted if there was a Democrat in office when 9/11 happened?


The same way Dems did.
 
2012-11-14 09:38:35 PM  

cman: CynicalLA: cman: The only time when we can put partisanship behind us is when we have a foreign enemy that could hurt us badly. When we are not fighting them we fight ourselves. This isnt even just an American thing.

Honest question here. How do you think the Republicans would have acted if there was a Democrat in office when 9/11 happened?

The same way Dems did.


If Bengazi is any indication I would have to disagree. They started hammering Obama the day he took office and never stopped.
 
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