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(The Hockey Writers)   NHL's Bettman to NHLPA: Take the deal we offered or EABOD. In fact, why don't you munch on it while you think about it   (thehockeywriters.com) divider line 71
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2012-11-14 06:13:00 PM
I bet you're just kicking yourself for that one, subby.
 
2012-11-14 06:13:03 PM
So no NHL this year I'm gathering.
 
2012-11-14 06:13:28 PM
Headline of the year...in Haiti.
 
2012-11-14 06:14:42 PM
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Confederate Onrait frowns on subby's headline shenanigans.
 
2012-11-14 06:15:16 PM
Am I wrong for hoping that Hockey is farked until the 2020, where they decide not to be ironic and actually look back at the last two insane work stoppages, then do something intelligent?
 
2012-11-14 06:17:00 PM

Techhell: Am I wrong for hoping that Hockey is farked until the 2020, where they decide not to be ironic and actually look back at the last two insane work stoppages, then do something intelligent?


Nah, I'm sure Bettman will die before 2020...
 
2012-11-14 06:22:47 PM
At least there's a silver lining.

Every day the lockout is on is a day I don't have to watch Cory Sarich.
 
2012-11-14 06:22:50 PM
hmmm, this feels like a repeat
 
2012-11-14 06:23:55 PM
Fu(k Bettman!
 
2012-11-14 06:26:13 PM
I'm hoping the players just say "fark it" and start their own league. What, really, do they need from the owners? They are the product, the labor, the marketing and the PR.... they produce everything just being themselves, doing what they've been doing their whole lives. So its easy to start up a league -- the talent sits idle and everything else is just logistics and administration and its easy to find people to do that work. Any MBA grad can run a pro sports team. But there are only 600~ people in the entire world who can do what a professional hockey player does.
 
2012-11-14 06:27:28 PM
fark BETTMAN
 
2012-11-14 06:27:56 PM
Subby here. I guess I don't practice spelling very munch.

On a more serious note, if you hear about the NHL refusing to meet with the NHLPA, or vice versa, it's probably because they don't want to risk the very serious consequences of being deemed to have been "Negotiating in Bad Faith."
 
2012-11-14 06:30:44 PM
Fookin' greedy players!
 
2012-11-14 06:33:36 PM
FŲСK DAT BETTMAN
 
2012-11-14 06:42:40 PM

Ishkur: I'm hoping the players just say "fark it" and start their own league. What, really, do they need from the owners? They are the product, the labor, the marketing and the PR.... they produce everything just being themselves, doing what they've been doing their whole lives. So its easy to start up a league -- the talent sits idle and everything else is just logistics and administration and its easy to find people to do that work. Any MBA grad can run a pro sports team. But there are only 600~ people in the entire world who can do what a professional hockey player does.


Or just go play in the AHL.
 
2012-11-14 06:45:05 PM
Mulch Bettman's dick
 
2012-11-14 06:48:28 PM
No hockey!?!?!?
blogs.suntimes.com
 
2012-11-14 06:52:37 PM

Ishkur: I'm hoping the players just say "fark it" and start their own league. What, really, do they need from the owners? They are the product, the labor, the marketing and the PR.... they produce everything just being themselves, doing what they've been doing their whole lives. So its easy to start up a league -- the talent sits idle and everything else is just logistics and administration and its easy to find people to do that work. Any MBA grad can run a pro sports team. But there are only 600~ people in the entire world who can do what a professional hockey player does.


6/10
 
2012-11-14 06:54:22 PM
One must also remember that this "negotiating" strategy is being pushed by a few greedy basterd owners *cough*BostonBruins*cough*, and this strategy more than likely was predicated on getting the player's hopes up via those ridockulous contracts that were signed right before the CBA ended, only so that they could try and cock-punch the players once the contract "negotiations: began.
 
2012-11-14 06:55:55 PM
I couldn't even see subby's headline mistake through this curtain of rage.

/fark you bettman
//afro-puffs
 
2012-11-14 07:02:50 PM
well, at least the Kings get to keep the cup for another year without having to defend it.
sigh
 
2012-11-14 07:15:16 PM
Like I said yesterday, kil the season and watch how many f*cks I'll give.

hint; it'll be none
 
2012-11-14 07:26:58 PM
I'm just going to watch/see more college puck-
 
2012-11-14 07:28:40 PM
Yeah well whatever. Call me if/when the NHL gets back in business.

/don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby
 
2012-11-14 07:29:19 PM

alienated: well, at least the Kings get to keep the cup for another year without having to defend it.
sigh


saga.guhsd.net
 
2012-11-14 07:33:26 PM

alienated: well, at least the Kings get to keep the cup for another year without having to defend it.
sigh


I was thinking that at least the Sabres can have their second undefeated season in a decade. Same idea I guess...
 
2012-11-14 07:35:13 PM

Ishkur: I'm hoping the players just say "fark it" and start their own league. What, really, do they need from the owners? They are the product, the labor, the marketing and the PR.... they produce everything just being themselves, doing what they've been doing their whole lives. So its easy to start up a league -- the talent sits idle and everything else is just logistics and administration and its easy to find people to do that work. Any MBA grad can run a pro sports team. But there are only 600~ people in the entire world who can do what a professional hockey player does.


They tried that during the last lockout:
Wiki -
There were two attempts to form alternative professional leagues in North America during the lockout, but both failed. A revival of the World Hockey Association had been planned since 2002 and was to start play shortly after the lockout was expected to begin. Despite having former WHA star Bobby Hull as commissioner, however, the league never got off the ground. A lack of stable financing undermined plans to sign both locked-out players and top prospects such as Sidney Crosby.

Another league, the Original Stars Hockey League (OSHL), was established in Canada and expected to play four-on-four games between six teams (ostensibly representing the Original Six cities) in various Canadian cities until the lockout was settled. More than 100 players purportedly signed up to play in the OSHL. The league debuted on September 17, 2004 in Barrie, Ontario, Canada. In the inaugural game, "Toronto" defeated "Detroit" 16-13. The next and last game was played in Brampton, Ontario with "Boston" defeating "Montreal" 14-11. However, escalating salary demands by players quickly bankrupted the league. Shortly after its first two games, OSHL president Randy Gumbley announced that the league had received firm commitments from only twenty players, and the league soon folded.
 
2012-11-14 07:35:20 PM
It'd be funny if all those players decided to stay in Europe when this is over
 
2012-11-14 07:40:36 PM
I'm actually getting more enraged by this as time goes on. If they cancel the season, come playoff time my brain will just be a fine red mist.

I've gone back and forth on who is to blame - but at this point in the negotiations, I'm pretty anti-league, and I think Bettman and the owners should all have to eat a couple packs of jizz-covered crackers at center ice at Madison Square Gardens. for f*cks sakes.
 
2012-11-14 07:53:38 PM

The Bestest: alienated: well, at least the Kings get to keep the cup for another year without having to defend it.
sigh

[saga.guhsd.net image 320x243]


That image breaks my heart everytime i see it. The best trophy in all of sports has that engraved on it..
 
2012-11-14 07:54:08 PM

puckrock2000: Ishkur: I'm hoping the players just say "fark it" and start their own league. What, really, do they need from the owners? They are the product, the labor, the marketing and the PR.... they produce everything just being themselves, doing what they've been doing their whole lives. So its easy to start up a league -- the talent sits idle and everything else is just logistics and administration and its easy to find people to do that work. Any MBA grad can run a pro sports team. But there are only 600~ people in the entire world who can do what a professional hockey player does.

They tried that during the last lockout:
Wiki -
There were two attempts to form alternative professional leagues in North America during the lockout, but both failed. A revival of the World Hockey Association had been planned since 2002 and was to start play shortly after the lockout was expected to begin. Despite having former WHA star Bobby Hull as commissioner, however, the league never got off the ground. A lack of stable financing undermined plans to sign both locked-out players and top prospects such as Sidney Crosby.

Another league, the Original Stars Hockey League (OSHL), was established in Canada and expected to play four-on-four games between six teams (ostensibly representing the Original Six cities) in various Canadian cities until the lockout was settled. More than 100 players purportedly signed up to play in the OSHL. The league debuted on September 17, 2004 in Barrie, Ontario, Canada. In the inaugural game, "Toronto" defeated "Detroit" 16-13. The next and last game was played in Brampton, Ontario with "Boston" defeating "Montreal" 14-11. However, escalating salary demands by players quickly bankrupted the league. Shortly after its first two games, OSHL president Randy Gumbley announced that the league had received firm commitments from only twenty players, and the league soon folded.


That's interesting. Over the last couple of weeks TSN has been reporting on a scam involving the CHL (major junior) player's union run by Randy Gumbley under an alias. Methinks the OSHL was not a credible thing.
 
2012-11-14 08:27:37 PM
As a Bruins fan, I want to sincerely apologize for Jeremy Jacobs. Bettman has his faults, but I think he's a weenie compared to a true thuggish czar like David Stern. It's guys like Jacobs really driving the bus and expecting the players to accept significant rollbacks on a whim AND for us fans to say "aw gee, we missed you guys!!" at the end of this with open arms.

I haven't purchased any Bruins Stanley Cup memorabilia from 2011 mostly because of my disdain for that man, and I certainly won't even tempt the idea ever again. I care way more about how the UEFA Champions League shakes out than when this NHL season, starts, if at all; just a couple years ago, I wouldn't have thought that would be the case, but, c'est la vie.
 
2012-11-14 08:54:43 PM

TeamEd:
That's interesting. Over the last couple of weeks TSN has been reporting on a scam involving the CHL (major junior) player's union run by Randy Gumbley under an alias. Methinks the OSHL was not a credible thing.


It wasn't. Jason York(fomer NHL player now Team1200 host) played for it. The escalating salary demands is funny and in a way true. According to York nobody got paid for the two games played and players paid for room and board out fo their own pocket. So yeah, they did ask for more money because they never saw a dime.
 
2012-11-14 09:01:12 PM
My biggest dasappointment is that my 11 yr. old daughter loves the Bruins and asks if they won after every game. I've taken her to a Bruins game on her birthday the last 3 years as a present and she loved it. Even spent $300 to have her 2 rows from the glass last year, and trust me I don't have the money to do that. I love watching NHL games and played through junior A's years ago but if they don't come together I'd rather take her to a Manchester Monarch's game, which I've done a few times. Cheaper seats, parking, concessions. and she still has a blast. FU Bettman
 
2012-11-14 09:04:11 PM
ugh i think the best thing Betteman can do for the NHL is resign effective last week.
 
2012-11-14 09:26:44 PM
I haven't spent a cent on the NHL since the last lockout... and that streak will probably continue on through the next lockout.
 
2012-11-14 09:33:41 PM

Killer Cars: As a Bruins fan, I want to sincerely apologize for Jeremy Jacobs. Bettman has his faults, but I think he's a weenie compared to a true thuggish czar like David Stern. It's guys like Jacobs really driving the bus and expecting the players to accept significant rollbacks on a whim AND for us fans to say "aw gee, we missed you guys!!" at the end of this with open arms.

I haven't purchased any Bruins Stanley Cup memorabilia from 2011 mostly because of my disdain for that man, and I certainly won't even tempt the idea ever again. I care way more about how the UEFA Champions League shakes out than when this NHL season, starts, if at all; just a couple years ago, I wouldn't have thought that would be the case, but, c'est la vie.


This is why I only buy bootleg Andrew Farance and Milan Lucchino jerseys.
 
2012-11-14 09:58:34 PM
I was (ahem) 110% behind the players... right up to they actually started to negotiate rather than toss proposals at each other. Bettman is a greasy evil midget puppet, but if Fehr thinks the players should get paid for 82 this year he needs someone to give his head a shake, violently.
 
2012-11-14 10:04:07 PM

UseUrHeadFred: Subby here. I guess I don't practice spelling very munch.

On a more serious note, if you hear about the NHL refusing to meet with the NHLPA, or vice versa, it's probably because they don't want to risk the very serious consequences of being deemed to have been "Negotiating in Bad Faith."


You're farking stupid, but I'll give you massive credit for admitting it. Generally, subtards hide their heads in the sand. Kudos to you, sir.
 
2012-11-14 10:35:42 PM

23FPB23: No hockey!?!?!?
[blogs.suntimes.com image 299x407]


Meh. Go watch college hockey.
 
2012-11-14 11:03:22 PM

John Buck 41: 23FPB23: No hockey!?!?!?
[blogs.suntimes.com image 299x407]

Meh. Go watch college hockey.


or Major Jr. CHL three leagues across Canada with a few teams in the US... find a team to cheer near you.

Or AA ECHL not just in the East any more!
 
kab
2012-11-14 11:04:56 PM
Players to owners: "Here's a postcard from the various Euro leagues a lot of us are playing in. Enjoy your empty arenas."

Owners can say whatever they like, but they aren't the reason folks buy tickets / merch, and watch on tv. The players are.
 
2012-11-14 11:09:24 PM

kab: Players to owners: "Here's a postcard from the various Euro leagues a lot of us are playing in. Enjoy your empty arenas."

Owners can say whatever they like, but they aren't the reason folks buy tickets / merch, and watch on tv. The players are.


Or Patrick Kane and Tyler Seguin send postcards of themselves getting fingerblasted in their ass holes while wearing shorts over their pants.

boston.3432.voxcdn.com
 
2012-11-15 12:09:43 AM
I quit caring a few weeks ago.
 
2012-11-15 01:37:02 AM
I hope they break the union. Hockey players are genuinely nice guys for the most part, but they are also dumber than a sack of hammers for the most part as well. They are so easy to lead around like sheep and when a couple militantly hardass players or people get to the top, they will drag everyone over the cliff with them because no hockey player wants to go a different direction than "the team".

Fehr has sold to these guys that the NHL has a better offer coming. All the player reps repeat this line over and over "we haven't seen the league's best offer yet". They could easily be making a very VERY bad mistake thinking this.

The players are also still resentful that the league successfully destroyed Goodenow last time, and this time, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with their best interests, they want to be the ones who "destroy Bettman" this time, in order to claim victory. Only simpletons actually blame Bettman for the lockouts, he has marching orders as to what kind of deal to get and he is paid - very well - to get it.

The fact is, the middling players of the NHL make far too much money. The stars? Nah, they can get paid. But the middle players, the ones who have moderate production but don't put a single fan in the seats, they have grossly overinflated ideas of their value. It's this block of players than needs to be broken, and if we need to lose a season to do it, so be it.
 
2012-11-15 02:20:37 AM

Tryfan: The fact is, the middling players of the NHL make far too much money.


By whose standards? The money is there or else they wouldn't have been offered it in the first place.

So the owners need to be saved from themselves again? Tough poop. You can whine about Bobby Holik's contract when the league is having actual financial problems. You can't whine about what third-liners get when the league is making more money than ever.
 
2012-11-15 02:43:22 AM

Tryfan: The fact is, the middling players of the NHL make far too much money


Yes, I remember fondly when Mason Raymond and Tyler Bozak led the great "Third Line Revolution" against the vile, greedy, wicked NHL owners, breaking into their homes and forcing them at gunpoint to pay egregious salaries to the plugs and lunchbuckets of the league or else they would force the owners to lockout the players in reverse revenge.

That sure showed them.
 
2012-11-15 03:48:37 AM
The owners never needed to be "saved from themselves". This is another line of baloney typically offered up by the simpleton sports media that is about as knowledgeable as your typical Northern Pocket Gopher when it comes to sports business. The owners can't act as a collective group in most business dealings, therefore they are not being "saved from themselves", a number of them (the have nots) are being saved from those who are the haves. Compounding this is the stupidity or desperation of some of the "haves" that lead them to pay the Tyler Bozaks and Jeff Fingers of the world stupid amounts of money.

The haves, in their desire to have a winner, spend money on the middling players that they don't deserve. The union, which IS allowed to act collectively, then uses those salaries as their basis for demands for ALL teams, whether they are within the budgets of the have-nots or not.

The fact is, whether you want to believe the league is making money or losing money, the owners are under absolutely no obligation to pay a dime more than they want to pay. If they don't like it? Well, if the salary isn't good enough for their tastes, they can go shovel coal or push pipes. No? Then maybe they should be a little more grateful at what they are getting and a little less militant about what they think they "deserve".

Best thing to come out of this would be an end to guaranteed contracts. These players held the league for ransom before the 1992 playoffs and thanks to Goodenow pushed the league so far in the wrong direction and became so hardheaded about it this is the inevitable result. This union is doing nothing good for hockey, and needs breaking.
 
2012-11-15 04:05:42 AM

Tryfan: This is another line of baloney typically offered up by the simpleton sports media that is about as knowledgeable as your typical Northern Pocket Gopher when it comes to sports business.


Oh, the irony. Especially when you serve up this turd right after:

Tryfan: The owners can't act as a collective group in most business dealings,


You know how I know you know absolutely nothing about the NHL and its Board of Governors?
 
2012-11-15 04:36:37 AM
Meh, still have College Hockey to watch. In some ways, I prefer that to the product from the NHL, actually.
 
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