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(AZ Family)   "There are times when you get old like this, you feel like you've lived too damn long" Man arrested for helping wife die in mercy killing   (azfamily.com) divider line 203
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2012-11-14 04:19:42 PM
Standing in black-and-white jail clothes for his first court appearance Saturday, Sanders quickly interjected, "my wife," when the judge characterized Virginia Sanders as "the victim." He also asked the judge for help after admitting he didn't understand or have "any experience" with the criminal justice system.

"Excuse me, can I ask you a favor?" George Sanders asked the judge before being taken back to his jail cell. "I'm so cold and I've been so cold. At my age my back is spasming and I can't stop. Could I be given a blanket or two?"


Damn.
 
2012-11-14 04:41:26 PM
Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.
 
2012-11-14 04:42:04 PM
If we didn't have such a hang-up over quantity over quality, there would be no stigma over someone ending their own life, so they didn't have to ask a loved one to be merciful and kill them.
 
2012-11-14 04:44:42 PM
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You can get everything you need at Party City
 
2012-11-14 04:45:24 PM
And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?
 
2012-11-14 04:49:48 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?


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2012-11-14 04:50:12 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?


I guess some people think that nobody in their right mind would want to die, and therefore anyone who wants to die is not in their right mind and shouldn't be allowed to make decisions. I guess.

I think there should, at least, be a way for people to check out. I'm not sure what I think that process should entail, though.
 
2012-11-14 04:50:26 PM

FirstNationalBastard: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

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That would be my point
 
2012-11-14 04:50:29 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?


It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.
 
2012-11-14 04:51:38 PM

TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.


And seem to love war.
 
2012-11-14 04:51:59 PM

TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.


I'm for both
 
2012-11-14 04:52:09 PM

TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.


They want to be In Charge. That's the point - control.
 
2012-11-14 04:52:11 PM

sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.


Tank of helium, a rubber hose and a plastic bag with an elastic draw string. Insert hose into bag, place bag over head, turn on helium. The helium replaces oxygen, but does not cause gasping, you pass out and then die from lack of oxygen.
 
2012-11-14 04:52:20 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If we didn't have such a hang-up over quantity over quality,


Every man dies. Not every man truly lives.
 
2012-11-14 04:52:25 PM
It's sad that my dog will have a more humane end when he gets near the end of his days than I will.
 
2012-11-14 04:53:02 PM
Lock this monster up before he does it again!
 
2012-11-14 04:53:09 PM

Relatively Obscure: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

I guess some people think that nobody in their right mind would want to die, and therefore anyone who wants to die is not in their right mind and shouldn't be allowed to make decisions. I guess.

I think there should, at least, be a way for people to check out. I'm not sure what I think that process should entail, though.


A panel of 3 doctors is all you need. If all three conclude that the person is of sound mind and there's no way to help them they should be allowed to end their life and pain with the assistance of a doctor. Sometimes "do no harm" means not allowing the person to suffer needlessly.
 
2012-11-14 04:53:11 PM
He shot her and she didn't die until 2 days later. Why not another method which would not have been so horrific?
 
2012-11-14 04:53:19 PM
As much as I sympathize with him and believe there should be legal routes that people like his wife can take and as much as I would like an opportunity to lay into the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, this was (under the law) unquestionably murder and he should be convicted as such although I hope the sentence will be mitigated somewhat.
 
2012-11-14 04:53:31 PM
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Petition your town today to have one of these installed.
 
2012-11-14 04:53:38 PM
Anybody who is even remotely interested in this topic owes it to themselves to watch last night's Frontline:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/suicide-plan/
 
2012-11-14 04:54:03 PM
TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

and against abortion! don't forget that one!

seriously, poor old guy. If assisted suicide laws were allowed, he wouldn't have had to shoot her. I wonder if the prosecutor will go ahead with 1st deg murder charges?
 
2012-11-14 04:54:30 PM
My dad says that he doesn't want to go in a nursing home. If he goes for a walk in the woods and doesn't come back, don't go looking for a week. However, that seems unlikely to me. He's such a tough sumbiatch that he won't give up on living till well after he loses the capacity for walking.
 
2012-11-14 04:54:36 PM

Slaves2Darkness: sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.

Tank of helium, a rubber hose and a plastic bag with an elastic draw string. Insert hose into bag, place bag over head, turn on helium. The helium replaces oxygen, but does not cause gasping, you pass out and then die from lack of oxygen.


Plus you sound really funny while telling the tragic story of your horrible life.
 
2012-11-14 04:54:41 PM

TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.


Blowing shiat up to protect blastocysts and ensuring old people live long lives of pain and misery.

That's pro-life!
 
2012-11-14 04:55:01 PM

Slaves2Darkness: sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.

Tank of helium, a rubber hose and a plastic bag with an elastic draw string. Insert hose into bag, place bag over head, turn on helium. The helium replaces oxygen, but does not cause gasping, you pass out and then die from lack of oxygen.


Yeah, but you'll sound like an idiot if someone walks in and tries to stop you.
 
2012-11-14 04:55:30 PM
Lol well he is a killer and should stay locked up. if he really loved his wife, getting locked up shouldnt be a problem for him. The nazi's are old innocent looking killers too.
 
2012-11-14 04:55:57 PM

cgraves67: My dad says that he doesn't want to go in a nursing home. If he goes for a walk in the woods and doesn't come back, don't go looking for a week. However, that seems unlikely to me. He's such a tough sumbiatch that he won't give up on living till well after he loses the capacity for walking.


I'm with your dad, as was my dad.

Our motto "If I ever can't feed myself or wipe my own ass, just take me fishing. I'll figure out a way to fall out of the boat."
 
2012-11-14 04:56:47 PM

dywed88: As much as I sympathize with him and believe there should be legal routes that people like his wife can take and as much as I would like an opportunity to lay into the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, this was (under the law) unquestionably murder and he should be convicted as such although I hope the sentence will be mitigated somewhat.


I'm not sure I can agree with a "well, it IS the law" mindset on some things. Not that this is exactly the same thing, but I doubt I could have brought myself, in the 1800s, to help convict someone for aiding in the escape of slaves, even if I watched them do it.
 
2012-11-14 04:56:49 PM

F22raptom: Lol well he is a killer and should stay locked up. if he really loved his wife, getting locked up shouldnt be a problem for him. The nazi's are old innocent looking killers too.


You're an asshole
 
2012-11-14 04:57:19 PM

Slaves2Darkness: sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.

Tank of helium, a rubber hose and a plastic bag with an elastic draw string. Insert hose into bag, place bag over head, turn on helium. The helium replaces oxygen, but does not cause gasping, you pass out and then die from lack of oxygen.


some old lady got arrested for selling that as a kit online, iirc they eventually had to drop the charges.
 
2012-11-14 04:58:20 PM
I read that headline in Morgan Freeman's voice.
 
2012-11-14 04:59:10 PM
Why do these mercy killers go with shooting? Ugh that is not a good way to go, and too much chance for farking up and just really hurting yourself.

Carbon monoxide poisoning? Pills? If I ever ask any of you to mercy kill me, use those methods, kk thanks.

/these stories are incredibly sad, there should be legal end of life options for those who so choose
//since there aren't, though, asking your loved one to do it isn't really a good option either
 
2012-11-14 04:59:33 PM

bugmn99: Slaves2Darkness: sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.

Tank of helium, a rubber hose and a plastic bag with an elastic draw string. Insert hose into bag, place bag over head, turn on helium. The helium replaces oxygen, but does not cause gasping, you pass out and then die from lack of oxygen.

Yeah, but you'll sound like an idiot if someone walks in and tries to stop you.



Probably about like my 5 year old when he's mad at his older brother...

STOP!!! STOOOP!!! STOOOOOP!

/all in that whiny, high pitched 5 year old voice.
 
2012-11-14 04:59:53 PM

NowhereMon: Anybody who is even remotely interested in this topic owes it to themselves to watch last night's Frontline:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/suicide-plan/


what upset me the most about the Republican attack on PBS is their real target was Frontline.
 
2012-11-14 05:00:11 PM
I hope I hit that sweet spot where I still have the motor skills to move and fire my Glock, while also realizing the jig is about to be up and I need to go out on my own terms. I don't want to be immobile in some bed and having to mouth "Kill me" to the nurses.

What is sad is how many old people do kill themselves via refusing medical treatment. I've seen some older people basically reject another round of some expensive medical treatment, sitting at home and waiting for the sickness to carry them off. They should have a more humane outlet when they feel that time comes.
 
2012-11-14 05:00:29 PM
I agree that it's clearly murder under the law.

I think he should be convicted of it, and then sentenced to time served and informal probation.
 
2012-11-14 05:01:46 PM

Nadie_AZ: Standing in black-and-white jail clothes for his first court appearance Saturday, Sanders quickly interjected, "my wife," when the judge characterized Virginia Sanders as "the victim." He also asked the judge for help after admitting he didn't understand or have "any experience" with the criminal justice system.

"Excuse me, can I ask you a favor?" George Sanders asked the judge before being taken back to his jail cell. "I'm so cold and I've been so cold. At my age my back is spasming and I can't stop. Could I be given a blanket or two?"

Damn.


Goddammit. That is why I DNRTFA.
I want to hug that man.
 
2012-11-14 05:02:02 PM

biyaaatci: He shot her and she didn't die until 2 days later. Why not another method which would not have been so horrific?


I suspect it was faulty assumptions that caused that, plus the hospital may have kept her alive for a while. Many people think a gunshot is quick, easy, and reliable way to kill instantly.
I blame media where all the regular people die at the slightest graze and the major characters can take dozens of bullets without flinching. This causes people to either overestimate or underestimate the typical effects of getting shot.
 
2012-11-14 05:02:22 PM
if he gets his blankets, he won't use them to keep warm.
 
2012-11-14 05:04:55 PM
If I ever develop some form of dementia or debilitating illness, I damn sure hope someone will help me kill myself. That's no way to live.
 
2012-11-14 05:05:04 PM

ha-ha-guy: I hope I hit that sweet spot where I still have the motor skills to move and fire my Glock, while also realizing the jig is about to be up and I need to go out on my own terms. I don't want to be immobile in some bed and having to mouth "Kill me" to the nurses.

What is sad is how many old people do kill themselves via refusing medical treatment. I've seen some older people basically reject another round of some expensive medical treatment, sitting at home and waiting for the sickness to carry them off. They should have a more humane outlet when they feel that time comes.


That's what my father did at the end except he was in a hospital. He couldn't take it anymore and simply refused any more treatment or medication. The doctors told us he could suffer in agony for up to 4 days. Mercifully he passed away the following day in his sleep. I simply cannot fathom the choice I would have had to make if he had lingered on and begged me to end it.
 
2012-11-14 05:05:12 PM
I gotta say, it's pretty horrific that he botched it. If my wife asked me to help her die and I really, truly believed it was the right thing to do I'd make sure it was done a hell of a lot better than this guy.
 
2012-11-14 05:05:40 PM

dywed88: biyaaatci: He shot her and she didn't die until 2 days later. Why not another method which would not have been so horrific?

I suspect it was faulty assumptions that caused that, plus the hospital may have kept her alive for a while. Many people think a gunshot is quick, easy, and reliable way to kill instantly.
I blame media where all the regular people die at the slightest graze and the major characters can take dozens of bullets without flinching. This causes people to either overestimate or underestimate the typical effects of getting shot.


If you want good results, muzzle against the temple. However I bet it is hard to shoot your wife of 50+ years right in the head. He likely shot her in the chest and then didn't have the stamina to double tap his beloved wife. Asking another senior citizen to shoot you is definitely a bad way to go. Plus odds are he wasn't operating anything that big or heavy at this age.
 
2012-11-14 05:07:56 PM

sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.


Then you better ask your parents. My folks have said it a million times over the years... "If my quality of life is gone, then take me out back, and put a bullet between my eyes". They've made a pact with each other.. and I'm pretty sure they'll stick with it.
 
2012-11-14 05:07:59 PM

Fail in Human Form: Relatively Obscure: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

I guess some people think that nobody in their right mind would want to die, and therefore anyone who wants to die is not in their right mind and shouldn't be allowed to make decisions. I guess.

I think there should, at least, be a way for people to check out. I'm not sure what I think that process should entail, though.

A panel of 3 doctors is all you need. If all three conclude that the person is of sound mind and there's no way to help them they should be allowed to end their life and pain with the assistance of a doctor. Sometimes "do no harm" means not allowing the person to suffer needlessly.


But how can they get months worth of medicare overcharges from that?

Think of the poor MDs!
 
2012-11-14 05:08:41 PM

Relatively Obscure: dywed88: As much as I sympathize with him and believe there should be legal routes that people like his wife can take and as much as I would like an opportunity to lay into the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, this was (under the law) unquestionably murder and he should be convicted as such although I hope the sentence will be mitigated somewhat.

I'm not sure I can agree with a "well, it IS the law" mindset on some things. Not that this is exactly the same thing, but I doubt I could have brought myself, in the 1800s, to help convict someone for aiding in the escape of slaves, even if I watched them do it.


I suppose I should say that I understand the law and can justify it. Especially when the man kills his wife in their home. I do believe his motivation, but I don't think events as described here should be legal. There is way too much room for exploitation and other issues. I believe that it should be decided with the assistance of a doctor and have strong documentation to back it up. However as that is impossible, and for that reason alone I hope he gets off with minimal punishment (even if just released on compassionate grounds of some sort).

Now I entirely disagree with slavery and therefore cannot possibly justify laws supporting it. I put this closer to the "starving man steals a loaf of bread" category than refusing to follow inherently unjust laws.
 
2012-11-14 05:09:48 PM
This is relevant to my interests.

/sadly
//no significant other to help me though
///otherwise, i wouldn't be considering it
 
2012-11-14 05:09:55 PM

ha-ha-guy: If you want good results, muzzle against the temple./i>

Wrong, many people live after doing this but because they see it in movies think it's a sure bet. All you do is blow out your eyes and suffer in agony. Put it right behind the ear and aim perpendicular to your head. Blows out the brain stem and you're dead. I had a friend's dad who did this and he was gone instantly.

/You shouldn't give advice about something this serious you know nothing about.

 
2012-11-14 05:10:25 PM
FTFA: the prosecutor at his arraignment did call this a "mercy killing."

At least the prosecutor hasn't gone full asshole, my guess plea deal, house arrest, and probation probably for the rest of is life since let's face it at 85 5 years of probation would be a long time.
 
2012-11-14 05:10:25 PM
Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.
 
2012-11-14 05:11:29 PM

Jument: I gotta say, it's pretty horrific that he botched it. If my wife asked me to help her die and I really, truly believed it was the right thing to do I'd make sure it was done a hell of a lot better than this guy.


No kidding, 2 days later? He probably shot her in the gut. I can see wanting to have an open casket and all, but just put a bullet in the heart. If you really have to, that is.
 
2012-11-14 05:12:10 PM

Rent Party: cgraves67: My dad says that he doesn't want to go in a nursing home. If he goes for a walk in the woods and doesn't come back, don't go looking for a week. However, that seems unlikely to me. He's such a tough sumbiatch that he won't give up on living till well after he loses the capacity for walking.

I'm with your dad, as was my dad.

Our motto "If I ever can't feed myself or wipe my own ass, just take me fishing. I'll figure out a way to fall out of the boat."


That's a good motto. I'll share that one with my dad who loves to fish and control his own life.
 
2012-11-14 05:12:42 PM

Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.


Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,

I hope I die peacefully in my sleep but if me or my wife is just plain old suffering at the end I don't think most people will judge too harshly.
 
2012-11-14 05:13:29 PM

sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.


Make sure they have advanced directives. Very thorough advanced directives.
 
2012-11-14 05:13:48 PM
Two hundred years from now, people are going to think that this era was as barbarous as we think the dark ages were. There's no excuse for how we treat each other.
 
2012-11-14 05:13:53 PM
It's a slippery slope. If we accept assisted suicide as a normal part of society, then we must also be prepared to accept the fact that Soylent Green is people.
 
2012-11-14 05:15:11 PM

Sad King Billy: Two hundred years from now, people are going to think that this era was as barbarous as we think the dark ages were. There's no excuse for how we treat each other.


If they can read a corporate financial statement, they will understand perfectly.
 
2012-11-14 05:15:13 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If we didn't have such a hang-up over quantity over quality, there would be no stigma over someone ending their own life, so they didn't have to ask a loved one to be merciful and kill them.


It's those crazies and their magic book, farking thing up for everyone!
 
2012-11-14 05:15:41 PM
As someone who might be approaching this type of situation in the near future, I really think it's wrong that we force people to stay alive against their own desire, especially in the case of illness. While I don't think I will be able to assist someone in their suicide, I think they should have the option. Perhaps they can plead their case to some sort of panel of doctors to make it official that this is what they want so there is no question of murder. The worst part though is someone like my mom who won't be able to walk, talk, eat, or breath on her own in the future. What kind of life is that? It's so "nice" that jerks out there think it's for the best to make people suffer while their families sit by watching.
 
2012-11-14 05:16:07 PM

sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.


PROTIP: If you're thinking of going "Old Yeller" on them like this asshat did to his wife, you might want to reconsider your plans.
 
2012-11-14 05:16:38 PM
She was probably 22.

/dnrta
 
2012-11-14 05:17:04 PM
sariq:

Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.

Shoot them and then yourself. You have a son to carry on The Family Name (TM), don't you?

But don't mess it up. This lady didn't die for several days after she was shot: that's not mercy. A deer slug to the back of the head should do it.
 
2012-11-14 05:18:17 PM

AcneVulgaris: FirstNationalBastard: If we didn't have such a hang-up over quantity over quality, there would be no stigma over someone ending their own life, so they didn't have to ask a loved one to be merciful and kill them.

It's those crazies and their magic book, farking thing up for everyone!


I like to blame it on a woman who cheated on her husband and then covered it up with a story about being pregnant by a diety.
 
2012-11-14 05:18:56 PM

PillsHere: Perhaps they can plead their case to some sort of panel of doctors to make it official that this is what they want so there is no question of murder..


Saddly no and very very very very few doctors will risk the medical license and possible charge to do it. Also, you cannot help without becoming an accessory. Welcome to America, land of the ignorant. As was mentioned before, the book "Final Exit" covers all this and is a must read for anyone in this situation.
 
2012-11-14 05:19:22 PM

Slaves2Darkness: sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.

Tank of helium, a rubber hose and a plastic bag with an elastic draw string. Insert hose into bag, place bag over head, turn on helium. The helium replaces oxygen, but does not cause gasping, you pass out and then die from lack of oxygen.


What a way to enter Hell, laughing like Daffy Duck
 
2012-11-14 05:19:22 PM

The Ghost of Tom Ace: This is relevant to my interests.

/sadly
//no significant other to help me though
///otherwise, i wouldn't be considering it


Please don't. Your future significant other will be really peeved if you do. :(
 
2012-11-14 05:19:28 PM
It's really depressing, but if she had a little mobility left, a note or recording, or something could have been in order. I doubt she'd have wanted him to live out the remainder of his days behind bars.

dywed88: I suppose I should say that I understand the law and can justify it. Especially when the man kills his wife in their home. I do believe his motivation, but I don't think events as described here should be legal. There is way too much room for exploitation and other issues. I believe that it should be decided with the assistance of a doctor and have strong documentation to back it up. However as that is impossible, and for that reason alone I hope he gets off with minimal punishment (even if just released on compassionate grounds of some sort).


Exactly this.
 
2012-11-14 05:21:29 PM
After that, he told Maricopa County deputies the same thing, adding that his wife was sick and had recently been told by a doctor that she needed hospitalized.

www.antifeministtech.info
 
2012-11-14 05:21:44 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

"Lived too long"?? Look, fella, come back when you're a billion-year old head in a jar. Until then, don't talk to ME about being too old, you ambulatory creature.
 
2012-11-14 05:22:21 PM

Fizpez: Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.

Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,


You shouldn't need to squirrel. My mom certainly didn't want to be where she was at the end of her cancer fight, but was too far into confusion and pain her last week to make her own arrangements. But, she was in hospice care (in our house). They give you a big bottle of oral morphine. They don't say "you're using too much" or measure how much you've used.

I guess the worse case is when you don't really have anyone that close to nurse you.
 
2012-11-14 05:23:14 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If we didn't have such a hang-up over quantity over quality, there would be no stigma over someone ending their own life, so they didn't have to ask a loved one to be merciful and kill them.


This. People are so afraid of the end, that they do anything they can to live as long as possible. I'd rather drop dead at 55 after a great life than make it 90 with nothing to show for it.

/better to burn out than to fade away
//yeah, i went there
 
2012-11-14 05:24:15 PM
Mom died two years ago. In a hospice with LOTS of morphine. Her last words were: "Oh goody! I get to die and it doesn't hurt."

/bless that doctor
 
2012-11-14 05:24:15 PM
As someone who knew a person with MS, i empathize heavily with him and his wife. Late stage MS is terrible.
 
2012-11-14 05:24:19 PM

Oznog: [upload.wikimedia.org image 235x165]

"Lived too long"?? Look, fella, come back when you're a billion-year old head in a jar. Until then, don't talk to ME about being too old, you ambulatory creature.


Cpt Jack didn't age so well did he....
 
2012-11-14 05:24:38 PM

jso2897: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

They want to be In Charge. That's the point - control.


Exactly. I am fairly certain that suicide was made a mortal sin to keep the subjects miserable, malleable, and taxable.
 
2012-11-14 05:25:20 PM

Eps05: As someone who knew a person with MS, i empathize heavily with him and his wife. Late stage MS is terrible.


Also this. A good friend of mine's mother is bedridden at this point.
 
2012-11-14 05:25:40 PM
Jury trial.
Nullify.
 
2012-11-14 05:26:19 PM
TFA is definitely sad. Did you see where it said that one of their sons had just died?

I don't see why suicide, especially under these conditions, should be illegal. If we do not have the freedom to choose when we die, how free are we, really?
 
2012-11-14 05:26:32 PM

pxlboy: jso2897: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

They want to be In Charge. That's the point - control.

Exactly. I am fairly certain that suicide was made a mortal sin to keep the subjects miserable, malleable, and taxable.


It was made a mortal sin because they promised paradise in the afterlife to people who were living horribly harsh lives and they didn't want them checking out early.
 
2012-11-14 05:26:55 PM
Do it yourself, coward.
 
2012-11-14 05:29:09 PM
Pretty damn heartbreaking.

There are organizations that can help with stuff like this, so you don't have to shoot your loved one like a mad dog like Travis did in "Old Yeller." PBS had a show on just last night about it.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/11/the-suicide-plan-frontlin e -explores-organized-world-of-assisted-suicide.html
 
2012-11-14 05:29:19 PM

Relatively Obscure: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

I guess some people think that nobody in their right mind would want to die, and therefore anyone who wants to die is not in their right mind and shouldn't be allowed to make decisions. I guess.

I think there should, at least, be a way for people to check out. I'm not sure what I think that process should entail, though.


Go to the coroner's office, fill out a form, get a psych evalution, take a pill, and then have a forever nap. Optional organ harvest if you ticked that box on the form.
 
2012-11-14 05:29:39 PM
The state has an interest in keeping its sub- CITIZENS alive, and we can't have people offing gram-gram for the inheritance now can we?
 
2012-11-14 05:29:51 PM
I don't know how common the practice is but I had a friend who was left alone in the hospital room with he dying father. The doctor instructed her how to increase the morphine drip before he left "to lessen his pain".
 
2012-11-14 05:30:44 PM

biyaaatci: He shot her and she didn't die until 2 days later. Why not another method which would not have been so horrific?


Because we can't buy pentobarbitol over the counter, as Mexicans can.

Also, probably because it's hard to aim with tears in your eyes.
 
2012-11-14 05:31:44 PM

pxlboy: jso2897: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

They want to be In Charge. That's the point - control.

Exactly. I am fairly certain that suicide was made a mortal sin to keep the subjects miserable, malleable, and taxable.


IIRC that's more of the Catholic Church's handiwork.
 
2012-11-14 05:32:18 PM

The Ghost of Tom Ace: This is relevant to my interests.

/sadly
//no significant other to help me though
///otherwise, i wouldn't be considering it


Whoa Mate, just gonna softball that one in there, are ya?

Surprised it didn't get more attention, even on Fark.

If you're still in the right mind to still consider it, then you have options.

It's when that's the only choice that folks give in.

So, yeah...like, don't.
 
2012-11-14 05:33:32 PM

ChadM89: I agree that it's clearly murder under the law.

I think he should be convicted of it, and then sentenced to time served and informal probation.


I'm hoping that his attorney and the DA will work it out so that's the plea bargain. Putting this old man through a trial and jail time will pretty much kill him, if the stress doesn't do it before it ever gets to trial.
 
2012-11-14 05:33:56 PM

Nadie_AZ: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

And seem to love war.


don;t forget anti-abortion to add to the enigma.
 
2012-11-14 05:35:53 PM

fsbilly: Jury trial.
Nullify.


Yah. But it will be tough to find 12 Arizonans with compassion.
 
2012-11-14 05:36:44 PM
There should be an easier way to go home
www.trickedbythelight.com
 
2012-11-14 05:36:57 PM
My Dad made the comment that he wasn't afraid of dying..."None of us are going to get away from that one" but he was afraid that he'd live "too goddamn long". The last 10 months of his life weren't the best and I don't think that he would have chosen to live like he did.

My Mother has already started...ahem...preparing for her time. If she has to make that call I have no doubt that she will do so. And as far as I'm concerned it's her choice to make any time she goddamn well pleases. Same goes for me and the rest of you.
 
2012-11-14 05:38:06 PM

BarkingUnicorn: fsbilly: Jury trial.
Nullify.

Yah. But it will be tough to find 12 Arizonans with compassion.


You mean 1?
 
2012-11-14 05:40:32 PM

jso2897: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

They want to be In Charge. That's the point - control.


Have you seen what prisoners endure on the TV specials shown every farking week? Guilty or innocent, if I was tossed in prison for life please kill me now. It would be extra sweet if you gave my organs to those who are in need before juicing me Johnny. Death is kind compared to living out your life in a tiny concrete & steel cage surrounded by screaming lunatics who's idea of a good day is raping you in the shower or beating your brains out in the cafeteria.

stevetherobot: If I ever develop some form of dementia or debilitating illness, I damn sure hope someone will help me kill myself. That's no way to live.


why leave it to chance? there is all sorts of paperwork that should be tended to like power of attorney and your personal preferences regarding whether or not you should be put on life assist machinery, things of this sort that way too many people ignore. take care of such things, get your ducks in a row, don't leave the pain to loved ones. make sure people know of this documentation. people don't choose well when emotional. too many adults ignore making out a will, buying a cemetery plot, blah blah blah. the more pre-planning an adult does the more kindness they are showing their loved ones, sparing them agony when the inevitable does come.
 
2012-11-14 05:41:51 PM
Mandatory healthcare for the unborn and the comatose. If you're in between, screw you.
 
2012-11-14 05:41:53 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: My Dad made the comment that he wasn't afraid of dying..."None of us are going to get away from that one" but he was afraid that he'd live "too goddamn long". The last 10 months of his life weren't the best and I don't think that he would have chosen to live like he did.

My Mother has already started...ahem...preparing for her time. If she has to make that call I have no doubt that she will do so. And as far as I'm concerned it's her choice to make any time she goddamn well pleases. Same goes for me and the rest of you.


I had a friend that 'Kevorkian'd' himself in Oregon a few years ago. He checked out surrounded by friends and family, with dignity and he avoided a lot of suffering and stress on his family.
 
2012-11-14 05:43:09 PM

Fizpez: Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.

Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,

I hope I die peacefully in my sleep but if me or my wife is just plain old suffering at the end I don't think most people will judge too harshly.


Even one bottle of tylenol is enough to do the trick, but it takes 3 or 4 days.
 
2012-11-14 05:46:02 PM
"Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's difficult." Isaac Asimov.

Right now, assisted suicide is legal only in Oregon, Washington, and Montana. Might want to look into relocating if you're nearing end of life.
 
2012-11-14 05:46:34 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk:

And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

I'm for both


I'm for both as well as for abortion on demand, mandatory sex education including birth control methods for all 6th graders, condom distribution by every school middle and high nurse's office, subsidized birth control pills, shots, IUDs and diaphragms, voluntary sterilization, and one child policies if y'all must reproduce. I also support mass suicide as well as the self-sacrifice of individuals, and an occasional purge, genocide, mass famine, plague or "elimination of the (whatevers) as a class" could help too. We should aim to bring the global population down half its current level in the next ~40 years, and to under a billion by 2200, and yes I am including "Caucasians" in those figures in fair proportion to our numbers in the global population: 6/7 of my fellow honkies should be downsized as well.

Did I mention lately I'm considering running for US Congress in the next election? I have Paypal to handle contributions. EIP!



/Okay, I might be joking about the Congress part. But y'all can still send me money.
 
2012-11-14 05:46:47 PM
I should say that we have been pretty lucky in my family. My great-aunt had a heart attack at 73 that took her in 6 hours (this was in 1993). She was a retired teacher and had been substitute teaching up to a month before she died.

My grandmother could not drive for the last couple of years of her life and was ultimately in a walker due to bad osteoperosis but wasn't even in a wheelchair let alone bedridden and pretty sharp mentally when she had a massive stroke at 82 (another 6 hours hospital deal).

We were less lucky with my stepfather but nothing to what the gentleman in TFA and his wife had to deal with. He had a bad form of Parkinson's and was really having a hard time getting around. He was far from 100% well the last 4 or 5 years of his life but he wasn't an invalid until just the last 2 months of his life. He had a stroke and lasted for two weeks after that, which was horrible.

/Great-grandfather died of a massive heart attack at his desk. On his lunch break. I hope to go like him and his above-mentioned daughters.
 
2012-11-14 05:46:49 PM

theMagni


Go to the coroner's office, fill out a form, get a psych evalution, take a pill, and then have a forever nap. Optional organ harvest if you ticked that box on the form.


Organ donors should go to the guillotine instead: the compounds in the pill might make the organs unusable.
 
2012-11-14 05:47:45 PM
Slaves2Darkness:

sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.

Tank of helium, a rubber hose and a plastic bag with an elastic draw string. Insert hose into bag, place bag over head, turn on helium. The helium replaces oxygen, but does not cause gasping, you pass out and then die from lack of oxygen.


Why not nitrous oxide if you can get it? That sounds like fun.
 
2012-11-14 05:50:01 PM

AbbeySomeone: I had a friend that 'Kevorkian'd' himself in Oregon a few years ago. He checked out surrounded by friends and family, with dignity and he avoided a lot of suffering and stress on his family.


Mamarita
and I talked about it recently. She'd prefer to go unexpectedly in her sleep where I would like to have the opportunity to gather her, my Sons and Grandchildren (twin boys born on 1 November!) have a nice meal, a few drinks some laughs, some tears then go to bed and to sleep...
 
2012-11-14 05:53:13 PM
Although Virginia Sanders didn't immediately die, she passed away at the hospital a couple days after the incident.

Dear old people: This is why, when you want to die, it's worth spending the money to get an overdose of painkillers, rather than relying on a firearm. At 85, you can get a scrip for basically any chemical you could possibly want from your doctor.
 
2012-11-14 05:54:24 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?


On the other hand we only have his say so that she wanted him to kill her. There is always the possibility that he got tired of taking care of her.
 
2012-11-14 05:55:00 PM

Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.


i.imgur.com
"Shoot, a fella could have a pretty good time in Big D with all this stuff."
 
2012-11-14 05:55:04 PM

Broktun: Fizpez: Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.

Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,

I hope I die peacefully in my sleep but if me or my wife is just plain old suffering at the end I don't think most people will judge too harshly.

Even one bottle of tylenol is enough to do the trick, but it takes 3 or 4 days.


Tylenol is a bad way to go. It turns your kidneys to mush and you die in horrible agony. I've got a suicide kit made up of leftover sedatives and antidepressants that I replenish periodically. Try to keep the pills up to date.
 
2012-11-14 05:56:16 PM

joaquin closet: Mom died two years ago. In a hospice with LOTS of morphine. Her last words were: "Oh goody! I get to die and it doesn't hurt."

/bless that doctor


This comment really warmed my heart. The right to die painlessly is an important one. I'm sorry for your loss though *hugs*
 
2012-11-14 05:57:01 PM

farm machine: [www.popsci.com image 350x455]

[cartoon of suicide booth]

Petition your town today to have one of these installed.


You might be kidding but I'm not. Though bigger facilities like "going home" on Soylent Green would be better: more capacity, easier post-death processing, greater efficiency all around. Say 100 rooms in each facility complete with fiber optic Internet on a big flat screen and/or geishas, and don't forget the marijuana, heroin, tranquilizers and booze. There should also be a big room in each facility for mass exit parties. Hookers and masseusses would of course cost extra. And yes, it should be publicly subsidized but something like the YMCA could work too.
 
2012-11-14 05:57:04 PM
I feel terrible for this man. He did the honorable thing by trying to relieve the suffering of the woman he loved. The hospital took care of her pain while she was there.She has passed. MS is a horrible disease. I watched a neighbor suffer from it for 30 years. Now he has to suffer in jail, cold, with back spasms, and with the real criminals--he is NOT one of them. Let the man go free.

The picture of him breaks my heart. He is lost without her and is lost in the criminal justice system. I want to bring him to my house, give him a warm, safe place to live and a decent hot meal. I want to listen to the stories of his life with his wife. Give him a chance to remember her from the best of times--before she was the great cook, before she knew how to make that pie or pot roast better than his mother, and the day he found out he was to be a father, a grandfather.

The criminal justice system is wasting its time.
 
2012-11-14 05:59:23 PM
You've damned for divorcing your spouse, and you're damned for seeing them all the way through a marriage, until the very end of life. He must have loved her more than his own life. I hope his trial ends in with a verdict worthy of the love he and she had, anything less would not be justice.
 
2012-11-14 05:59:35 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: I feel terrible for this man. He did the honorable thing by trying to relieve the suffering of the woman he loved. The hospital took care of her pain while she was there.She has passed. MS is a horrible disease. I watched a neighbor suffer from it for 30 years. Now he has to suffer in jail, cold, with back spasms, and with the real criminals--he is NOT one of them. Let the man go free.

The picture of him breaks my heart. He is lost without her and is lost in the criminal justice system. I want to bring him to my house, give him a warm, safe place to live and a decent hot meal. I want to listen to the stories of his life with his wife. Give him a chance to remember her from the best of times--before she was the great cook, before she knew how to make that pie or pot roast better than his mother, and the day he found out he was to be a father, a grandfather.

The criminal justice system is wasting its time.


Very eloquent! I agree.
 
2012-11-14 06:00:24 PM
Rent Party:

Our motto "If I ever can't feed myself or wipe my own ass, just take me fishing. I'll figure out a way to fall out of the boat."

By the way, Dewar's White Label ain't half bad but it improves with a wee splash of club soda.
 
2012-11-14 06:01:33 PM
My grandfather on my dad's side is at that point. He's ninety-five and had a defibrillator/pacemaker put in a couple months ago because of heart problems, but since then he's lost half his body weight and doesn't know his way around the house anymore. A few days ago him and Grandma went in to get the defibrillator shut off, which the doctor did for them.

I'm expecting a call any day now.

After seventy-five years together, both of them have said they've lived five years too long. Quality of live just isn't there anymore. I'm not sure what Grandma is going to do after he's gone.
 
2012-11-14 06:02:04 PM

joaquin closet: Mom died two years ago. In a hospice with LOTS of morphine. Her last words were: "Oh goody! I get to die and it doesn't hurt."

/bless that doctor


My last word would be "oh my goodness I almost forgot to tell you! I buried ten million in gold bullion under the ..."
 
2012-11-14 06:04:23 PM
"his wife was sick and had recently been told by a doctor that she needed hospitalized."

I'm willing to accept this bastardized infinitive misuse as a colloquialism, but it's got no place in a farking news article.

That needs stopped.
 
2012-11-14 06:06:48 PM

Dogsbody: It's a slippery slope. If we accept assisted suicide as a normal part of society, then we must also be prepared to accept the fact that Soylent Green is people.


Would different races be different colors? Soylent Black, Soylent Tan, Soylent Brown, Soylent Yellow, Soylent White?
 
2012-11-14 06:06:49 PM

The One True TheDavid: Rent Party:

Our motto "If I ever can't feed myself or wipe my own ass, just take me fishing. I'll figure out a way to fall out of the boat."

By the way, Dewar's White Label ain't half bad but it improves with a wee splash of club soda.


I'm too old to drink shiatty liquor. :)
 
2012-11-14 06:08:05 PM

Gyrfalcon: Broktun: Fizpez: Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.

Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,

I hope I die peacefully in my sleep but if me or my wife is just plain old suffering at the end I don't think most people will judge too harshly.

Even one bottle of tylenol is enough to do the trick, but it takes 3 or 4 days.

Tylenol is a bad way to go. It turns your kidneys to mush and you die in horrible agony. I've got a suicide kit made up of leftover sedatives and antidepressants that I replenish periodically. Try to keep the pills up to date.


Are you a secret agent?
 
2012-11-14 06:08:16 PM

Fail in Human Form: ha-ha-guy: If you want good results, muzzle against the temple./i>

Wrong, many people live after doing this but because they see it in movies think it's a sure bet. All you do is blow out your eyes and suffer in agony. Put it right behind the ear and aim perpendicular to your head. Blows out the brain stem and you're dead. I had a friend's dad who did this and he was gone instantly.

/You shouldn't give advice about something this serious you know nothing about.

.

Worked with a man that did himself like that. Blind, alive, and dependent on a resentful wife is no way to go through life son.
 
2012-11-14 06:08:27 PM

screwzloos: My grandfather on my dad's side is at that point. He's ninety-five and had a defibrillator/pacemaker put in a couple months ago because of heart problems, but since then he's lost half his body weight and doesn't know his way around the house anymore. A few days ago him and Grandma went in to get the defibrillator shut off, which the doctor did for them.

I'm expecting a call any day now.

After seventy-five years together, both of them have said they've lived five years too long. Quality of live just isn't there anymore. I'm not sure what Grandma is going to do after he's gone.


Not to sound like too much of an insensitive asshole, but... probably die within a few months of him.

It usually seems to happen that way with couples who were married for extremely long periods of time like that.
 
2012-11-14 06:09:50 PM

wantingout: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk:

seriously, poor old guy. If assisted suicide laws were allowed, he wouldn't have had to shoot her. I wonder if the prosecutor will go ahead with 1st deg murder charges?


Think about what you just said. He was going to shoot her anyway. The laws didn't matter. That is the method he chose; a legal tool for an illegal act. If you made the act legal, how do you assume he would have used another method? He could have used chloroform then asphixiate her in her sleep. Or arseneic. Or hell, snake venom.
 
2012-11-14 06:12:31 PM

dywed88: As much as I sympathize with him and believe there should be legal routes that people like his wife can take and as much as I would like an opportunity to lay into the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, this was (under the law) unquestionably murder and he should be convicted as such although I hope the sentence will be mitigated somewhat.


This is clearly a case for jury nullification.
 
2012-11-14 06:13:37 PM

fanbladesaresharp: wantingout: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk:

seriously, poor old guy. If assisted suicide laws were allowed, he wouldn't have had to shoot her. I wonder if the prosecutor will go ahead with 1st deg murder charges?

Think about what you just said. He was going to shoot her anyway. The laws didn't matter. That is the method he chose; a legal tool for an illegal act. If you made the act legal, how do you assume he would have used another method? He could have used chloroform then asphixiate her in her sleep. Or arseneic. Or hell, snake venom.


Huh? If assisted suicide were allowed, she could have had her physician do it and there would be no questions of guilt or innocence for the husband because he wouldn't have been the only one to perform it. You think given the choice between physician-assisted and shot they'd have still chosen a gun?
 
2012-11-14 06:15:18 PM

Broktun: Fizpez: Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.

Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,

I hope I die peacefully in my sleep but if me or my wife is just plain old suffering at the end I don't think most people will judge too harshly.

Even one bottle of tylenol is enough to do the trick, but it takes 3 or 4 days.


if u had a morphine prescription why would u even want to kill yourself? u have MORPHINE. THE GOLD OF THE ILLICIT PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY
 
2012-11-14 06:15:56 PM

ashinmytomatoes: Shakespeare's Sister: I feel terrible for this man. He did the honorable thing by trying to relieve the suffering of the woman he loved. The hospital took care of her pain while she was there.She has passed. MS is a horrible disease. I watched a neighbor suffer from it for 30 years. Now he has to suffer in jail, cold, with back spasms, and with the real criminals--he is NOT one of them. Let the man go free.

The picture of him breaks my heart. He is lost without her and is lost in the criminal justice system. I want to bring him to my house, give him a warm, safe place to live and a decent hot meal. I want to listen to the stories of his life with his wife. Give him a chance to remember her from the best of times--before she was the great cook, before she knew how to make that pie or pot roast better than his mother, and the day he found out he was to be a father, a grandfather.

The criminal justice system is wasting its time.

Very eloquent! I agree.


Thank you. I watched my grandfather go from lung cancer. It started there and went to his liver, bones, and brain. He died at home with hospice care. I grew up without my dad, so he grandpa it. I took care of him until the day he died. I listened to his stories, cooked him anything he wanted to eat--until he stopped eating; then I gave him anything he wanted to drink--until he quit taking liquids. He told me stories about people and places from his childhood I had never heard of. It was time I would not trade for anything. I think the justice system is being farking stupid here. There is nothing to gain from this.

There were days I wanted to crush all of the morphine pills the hospice gave me and give them all to him. Or put all of the phentonyl (sp) patches on him that hospice gave me, and just let him go. The pain was so bad for him. He was 6 ^ 2 220 when it all began. By the time he died, I (5 ^ 5 135 lbs) could lift him off the sheet). I knew the trouble I would get in. I just kept him as medicated as I could--hedged times between doses--added a bit of "help" to the grape juice I dissolved his crushed morphine to. Anything I could. He died two days before Thanksgiving in 2001.
 
2012-11-14 06:17:34 PM
"his wife was sick and had recently been told by a doctor that she needed hospitalized."


No way the black man in the White House is going to Obamacare my wife!
*BLAM*
*BLAM*
*BLAM*
 
2012-11-14 06:19:19 PM
I hope I go quietly in my sleep like GrandPa, instead of screaming in terror like his passengers.
 
2012-11-14 06:22:35 PM
"Excuse me, can I ask you a favor?" George Sanders asked the judge before being taken back to his jail cell. "I'm so cold and I've been so cold. At my age my back is spasming and I can't stop. Could I be given a blanket or two?"

F**k you judge
F**k you prosecutor
F**k you arresting officers
F**k ever last one of you.



"You can judge a society by the way it treats its prisoners"
- Winston Churchill.
 
2012-11-14 06:24:10 PM
FirstNationalBastard
>>> MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally"
>>> under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on
>>> controlling others?

bible.jpg

Ohhh look. The bigot's have entered.
 
2012-11-14 06:24:33 PM

dywed88: As much as I sympathize with him and believe there should be legal routes that people like his wife can take and as much as I would like an opportunity to lay into the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, this was (under the law) unquestionably murder and he should be convicted as such although I hope the sentence will be mitigated somewhat.


It is not really up to he Sheriffs Office the Prosecutor. Ultimately it will be jury that decides.
 
2012-11-14 06:25:24 PM

NowhereMon: Anybody who is even remotely interested in this topic owes it to themselves to watch last night's Frontline:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/suicide-plan/


as usual, an excellent profile on a wickedly complex issue
the Final Exit org's medical team was especially comical and troubling

/i have NO problem with adults wanting to bail when they're done being here
//not sure i could help
 
2012-11-14 06:27:05 PM
js34603:

Why do these mercy killers go with shooting? Ugh that is not a good way to go, and too much chance for farking up and just really hurting yourself.

They do it the wrong way. If doing it yourself stick a shotgun barrel in your mouth pointed at the back of your head: a 20 gage with #1 buckshot should do it. Practice in front of the mirror if you have to to get the angle right. (Yes you can cut the barrel down a bit if you want, the Feds won't care afterward.) And if you're doing it for somebody else buckshot or a deer slug to the back of their head is still best: in both cases overkill is better than missing the right spot.


Carbon monoxide poisoning? Pills?

Tried those & failed: exhaust gave me such a horrible headache & nausea that I couldn't keep sitting there, and all three times I tried pills somebody found me and called 911. The result was even more "subtle" brain damage than I had already. See?

Walking in front of a car when I was 7 didn't work either: the poor young guy who happened to hit me happened to be a little "under the influence" and carrying an open container and "illicit drugs," so that poor farker's early 20s was pretty much ruined. (I'm pretty sure he could have driven home safely if some kid hadn't thrown himself in front of his car at the last second; the first 2 or 3 times I tried it that day I didn't wait long enough and the driver braked hard and yelled at me.) And three months in the hospital in traction didn't help my mood much either.

A guillotine would also work: there are plans on the Internet. But that's too much like work for me. Cyanide would be great but they don't sell it as easily as they used to for some reason. And abused peasant women in India guzzle pesticide but the process of dying like that sounds icky.

"Going home" by a nice pleasant lethal injection sounds best. I've watch them euthanize ferrets and it seems so peaceful, even when they had to do a "heart stick" because the intravenous & gas wasn't quick enough.

What I think would be great is to be rigged up like a suicide bomber but go off into the middle of a big field by myself instead. The raccoons & coyotes could have whatever's left. But alas, the law being what it is...
 
2012-11-14 06:29:31 PM

Slaves2Darkness:

sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.

Tank of helium, a rubber hose and a plastic bag with an elastic draw string. Insert hose into bag, place bag over head, turn on helium. The helium replaces oxygen, but does not cause gasping, you pass out and then die from lack of oxygen.

Check youtube or other video sites for "How to kill a human being". It's a documentary on the death penalty, but the end describes a method that is 100% painless that yes is quite easy. I'd say it, but it's pro'lly against some rule.
 
2012-11-14 06:30:06 PM

The One True TheDavid: Tried those & failed: exhaust gave me such a horrible headache & nausea that I couldn't keep sitting there, and all three times I tried pills somebody found me and called 911. The result was even more "subtle" brain damage than I had already. See?


It is my firm belief that people who have "tried" to kill themselves, particularly multiple times, aren't really trying.
 
2012-11-14 06:35:13 PM

The One True TheDavid: Walking in front of a car when I was 7 didn't work either: the poor young guy who happened to hit me happened to be a little "under the influence" and carrying an open container and "illicit drugs," so that poor farker's early 20s was pretty much ruined. (I'm pretty sure he could have driven home safely if some kid hadn't thrown himself in front of his car at the last second; the first 2 or 3 times I tried it that day I didn't wait long enough and the driver braked hard and yelled at me.) And three months in the hospital in traction didn't help my mood much either.

A guillotine would also work: there are plans on the Internet. But that's too much like work for me. Cyanide would be great but they don't sell it as easily as they used to for some reason. And abused peasant women in India guzzle pesticide but the process of dying like that sounds icky.


<evilada>: Best suicide plan ever
<mcm310>: what is it?
<evilada>: you go up to the top of a roof
<evilada>: string piano wire tight across the front edge at neck level
<evilada>: tie a cord to your foot and the other end to the building so that you'll be above sidewalk level when its fully stretched
<evilada>: then you put super glue on your hands
<evilada>: and put your arms around the front of the wire and then back to touch your head
<evilada>: then you lean forward, so the piano wire cuts your neck but not your elbows
<evilada>: when the cord goes taut, youll be hanging upside down with no head....except your head will be in your outstretched arms thanks to gravity and the glue, staring at someone upside down and spewing blood everywhere.
<evilada>: And some poor bastard will be traumatized for LIFE.
<mcm310>: i dont think i can be your friend anymore
 
2012-11-14 06:35:42 PM
ha-ha-guy:

If you want good results, muzzle against the temple.

NO NO NO. That'll just blow out the front part of your brain and leave you a crippled moron.

PAGING BRONYMEDIC. Please explain that to this ha-ha-guy.
 
2012-11-14 06:43:46 PM

OnlyM3: FirstNationalBastard
>>> MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally"
>>> under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on
>>> controlling others?

bible.jpg

Ohhh look. The bigot's have entered.


The bigot's entered what?

/learn where apostrophes are appropriate when white knighting books of fairy tales.
 
2012-11-14 06:45:33 PM

Fail in Human Form: ha-ha-guy: If you want good results, muzzle against the temple./i>

Wrong, many people live after doing this but because they see it in movies think it's a sure bet. All you do is blow out your eyes and suffer in agony. Put it right behind the ear and aim perpendicular to your head. Blows out the brain stem and you're dead. I had a friend's dad who did this and he was gone instantly.

/You shouldn't give advice about something this serious you know nothing about.


That looks like what this guy did: Fox News Live Police Chase Suicide (FULL VIDEO) .

I'd still rather "eat" a mouthful of buckshot. Less chance of missing.
 
2012-11-14 06:46:15 PM
media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-14 06:47:22 PM
//Maria! Maria? No! No! Dammnit, no, Maria!
 
2012-11-14 06:50:54 PM

Lawnchair: Fizpez: Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.

Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,

You shouldn't need to squirrel. My mom certainly didn't want to be where she was at the end of her cancer fight, but was too far into confusion and pain her last week to make her own arrangements. But, she was in hospice care (in our house). They give you a big bottle of oral morphine. They don't say "you're using too much" or measure how much you've used.


THIS

We have assisted suicide. It's called "hospice". (Shhh...don't tell anyone)
 
2012-11-14 06:58:43 PM
Broktun:

Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.


I used whatever pain pills I could get. Plus tranquilizers (Valium and meprobamate), sleeping pills and a fistful of Thorazine; I basically emptied out my parents & grandma's medicine cabinets. Half a pint of Scotch on top of it. Problem was some junky I knew figured it out and busted in my grandmother's door with the cops right behind him; "If he's in there call the ambulance, if not arrest me for breaking in!" he said he told then when thy wouldn't go in themselves. So anyway, it didn't work. And my reading comprehension went down noticeably for several months, for one thing.

It's too easy for somerthing to go wrong. E.g., you can puke your guts out after you somehow roll over and not even drown on it: that was my first OD.

Take it from me, being such a loser you can't even kill yourself right sucks.
 
2012-11-14 06:59:42 PM
"There are times when you get old like this, you feel like you've lived too damn long"

You're talking about Mondays, right?

// and some Tuesdays...
 
2012-11-14 07:00:30 PM
Dogsbody:

It's a slippery slope. If we accept assisted suicide as a normal part of society, then we must also be prepared to accept the fact that Soylent Green is people.

SO? I for one don't care what you do with my carcass when I'm finished with it.
 
2012-11-14 07:05:27 PM
img43.imageshack.us

Best Voyager ever.

Well, Think Tank was pretty good too.
 
2012-11-14 07:06:23 PM

Gyrfalcon: ChadM89:

I agree that it's clearly murder under the law.

I think he should be convicted of it, and then sentenced to time served and informal probation.

I'm hoping that his attorney and the DA will work it out so that's the plea bargain. Putting this old man through a trial and jail time will pretty much kill him, if the stress doesn't do it before it ever gets to trial.


Why not just give the old guy a loaded shotgum and leave for a while? You think he wants to live really bad after all this, and then have a trial etc.?
 
2012-11-14 07:08:58 PM
KrispyKritter:

Death is kind compared to living out your life in a tiny concrete & steel cage surrounded by screaming lunatics who's idea of a good day is raping you in the shower or beating your brains out in the cafeteria.

Very much "THIS."
 
2012-11-14 07:10:50 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: theMagni

Go to the coroner's office, fill out a form, get a psych evalution, take a pill, and then have a forever nap. Optional organ harvest if you ticked that box on the form.


Organ donors should go to the guillotine instead: the compounds in the pill might make the organs unusable.


A very good point, sir.
 
2012-11-14 07:12:21 PM
hasty ambush:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

On the other hand we only have his say so that she wanted him to kill her. There is always the possibility that he got tired of taking care of her.


SO?
 
2012-11-14 07:12:23 PM
Wow. People giving their fellow FARKers suicide advice?

Classy.

/right to die should extend to right to humanely end your own life if you have terminal or a painful, intractable illness and are of right mind.
//Helping random people to kill themselves on the Internet on the other hand? No.
 
2012-11-14 07:17:20 PM

jst3p: The One True TheDavid:


Tried those & failed: exhaust gave me such a horrible headache & nausea that I couldn't keep sitting there, and all three times I tried pills somebody found me and called 911. The result was even more "subtle" brain damage than I had already. See?

It is my firm belief that people who have "tried" to kill themselves, particularly multiple times, aren't really trying.


So I'm a failure and an idiot. So shoot me.
 
2012-11-14 07:23:10 PM

F22raptom: Lol well he is a killer and should stay locked up. if he really loved his wife, getting locked up shouldnt be a problem for him. The nazi's are old innocent looking killers too.


Poe's Law pretty much means that it's pretty hard to determine if this guy's a troll or fanatic judging merely from the post itself.

(Personally, I lean towards "troll" with a -23.5/10 for making it too obvious.)

Then there's Psycat's First Corollary to Poe's Law which states that "Any troll who is asinine enough to pose as a fanatic on the Internet is just as screwed up as any fanatic."
 
Poe
2012-11-14 07:40:39 PM
I have seen relatives suffer long lingering deaths to cancer, heart issues, and Alzheimers. The Alzheimers particularly scares me. Were I to get the news that I would be sharing that sort of fate, I would get my affairs in order, hopefully get to do a few bucket list items, and then take myself out.
 
2012-11-14 07:43:42 PM
I worked with an oncologist who gave his patients very large bottles of narcotics, and warned them that if they took too many of them, they might die. Did you understand me? If you take a large amount of these you might die.

Frankly, I can't imagine a less dignified end than being mindless and sitting in a little house somewhere being spoon fed and patronized by a bunch of paid helpers who talk to you condescendingly all day long and roll their eyes when out of your sight. There's a place like that behind my home and it looks so incredibly cruel - although children think they must put their folks there since to keep them at home would be too dangerous and disruptive.

The truth is: most of us will not die spontaneously, painlessly, quickly. We will dwindle, crumble, and drag out the end. If you don't plan for it you 1) will not save enough funds to make that end comfortable and 2) will be at someone else's mercy when you're at your most helpless.
 
2012-11-14 07:51:41 PM

NowhereMon: You can get everything you need at Party City


A full bar and an endless stream of high-end hookers, that's how I'm going to go.
 
2012-11-14 08:25:18 PM
A man should have the right to end the life of his wife, and the wife should accept that judgment. Men have the right to do as they please with their property.
 
2012-11-14 08:40:13 PM
shiat, I'm thirty and many mornings I just hope I don't wake up.

/farking tired of this place.
 
2012-11-14 08:42:57 PM
Pisses me off.

I got to watch my dad, who was not allowed food or drink, starve to death because he's "gone anyway" because we're not allowed to perform mercy killings.

A good dog is dying so we quickly say goodbye and help him along the way with mercy killing.

Why do we treat animals more humanely than people?
 
2012-11-14 08:43:41 PM

dmax: I worked with an oncologist who gave his patients very large bottles of narcotics, and warned them that if they took too many of them, they might die. Did you understand me? If you take a large amount of these you might die.

Frankly, I can't imagine a less dignified end than being mindless and sitting in a little house somewhere being spoon fed and patronized by a bunch of paid helpers who talk to you condescendingly all day long and roll their eyes when out of your sight. There's a place like that behind my home and it looks so incredibly cruel - although children think they must put their folks there since to keep them at home would be too dangerous and disruptive.

The truth is: most of us will not die spontaneously, painlessly, quickly. We will dwindle, crumble, and drag out the end. If you don't plan for it you 1) will not save enough funds to make that end comfortable and 2) will be at someone else's mercy when you're at your most helpless.


Hopefully when the time comes, I can drive to mexico, bang a mexican hooker, get stoned, then go out on those horse drugs...
 
2012-11-14 08:44:59 PM

WhoGAS: Pisses me off.

I got to watch my dad, who was not allowed food or drink, starve to death because he's "gone anyway" because we're not allowed to perform mercy killings.

A good dog is dying so we quickly say goodbye and help him along the way with mercy killing.

Why do we treat animals more humanely than people?


This.
 
2012-11-14 08:47:11 PM
~~OnlyM3: ~~FirstNationalBastard
~~>>> MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally"
~~>>> under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on
~~>>> controlling others?

~~bible.jpg

¨¨¨¨¨¨Ohhh look. The bigot's have entered.¨¨¨¨¨¨


Oh, look the idiot who denie's the link between the bible and euthanasia laws has trouble hitting the quote button.
 
2012-11-14 08:47:42 PM

BronyMedic: Wow. People giving their fellow FARKers suicide advice?

Classy.

/right to die should extend to right to humanely end your own life if you have terminal or a painful, intractable illness and are of right mind.
//Helping random people to kill themselves on the Internet on the other hand? No.


I'm pretty sure if you typed a couple of words into your favorite search engine you'd find all the information and 100000x more in about 3 seconds flat. Welcome to the internet.
 
2012-11-14 08:51:12 PM

The One True TheDavid: KrispyKritter:

Death is kind compared to living out your life in a tiny concrete & steel cage surrounded by screaming lunatics who's idea of a good day is raping you in the shower or beating your brains out in the cafeteria.

Very much "THIS."


Actually you might be surprised how well a man like this would do in prison. I would honestly give him 50/50 odds. He might get chewed up and spit out by the population, but there is also an almost equally good chance that if enough of them heard his story that an old guy like him might get a "pass". Essentially the prisoners would mostly ignore him, maybe even be polite due to his age. Not just the same race but all the race gangs would treat him as an old prison veteran due to his situation. If that were the case then he would be fairly comfortable and fall into the daily routine. There would be no cred for messing with him and if a few of the movers had a bit of sympathy for him he would be considered off limits so his old butt would be unmolested. He could settle in the yard where he wants and talk with anybody without too much worry as long as he didn't start any trouble.

Prison, is weird. Spent alot of time in prison...........for college :D

/I threw myself in front of a car at age 7 too. Didn't kill me but it did get mom to move the hell away from dad. Almost as good.
 
2012-11-14 08:51:43 PM

Kit Fister:
Hopefully when the time comes, I can drive to mexico, bang a mexican hooker, get stoned, then go out on those horse drugs...


I freaking love Taco Tuesdays!! :-D

Though o.d.ing on K sounds nice, I'd rather it was cut 50/50 with coke!!
 
2012-11-14 08:59:06 PM
My father was in hospice when he died...some of the last words he said were "he's the one that's mean to me" while trying to point at a young man standing at the end of the bed.


There were almost two deaths that day.
 
2012-11-14 09:00:27 PM

The One True TheDavid: farm machine: [www.popsci.com image 350x455]

[cartoon of suicide booth]

Petition your town today to have one of these installed.

You might be kidding but I'm not. Though bigger facilities like "going home" on Soylent Green would be better: more capacity, easier post-death processing, greater efficiency all around. Say 100 rooms in each facility complete with fiber optic Internet on a big flat screen and/or geishas, and don't forget the marijuana, heroin, tranquilizers and booze. There should also be a big room in each facility for mass exit parties. Hookers and masseusses would of course cost extra. And yes, it should be publicly subsidized but something like the YMCA could work too.


that is an excellent idea. celebrate with your loved ones, make the most of those final moments enjoying it to the hilt. the day such a place exists we will know a better world has evolved. someone is going to make mad money doing that some day. and they will be much loved too.
 
2012-11-14 09:02:25 PM
I worked in the health care field for years and I saw a lot of folks die a miserable, lengthy, lingering death because of the laws. I'm for assisted suicide, especially when a person reaches the stage where living turns into sheer hell and that hell gets even worse once their money is sucked away by the hideous cost of care.

I've seen families all but abandon seriously ill loved ones, usually leaving them in the care of expensive nursing homes or dumping them on a single family member as care taker -- which then overloads the family member and they can become sick.

I understand the hesitation over assisted suicide, and not because of religious reasons, but because of inheritance. People bump off their ill relatives already if they become a nuisance or have something valuable they want. Plus for a time, before insurance companies applied restrictions, people suicided to get their families out of deep debt.

Then there is the whole temporary and treatable depression thing, brought on by any number of causes.

Still, there are obvious cases where assisted suicide has been justified. One should be allowed to not only die with dignity but not have to drain every last penny they have and mortgage their home to pay the costs of being required to live.

Dr. Kevorkian was ahead of his time. His suicide machine should be patented and made available to those who need it on Dr.s orders. (Cheaply!)

It's dawned on me over time that it's not the quantity of life lived, but the quality. When you've had enough, you should be allowed to go, not linger in abject misery.
 
2012-11-14 09:03:46 PM

Otto's_Jacket: My father was in hospice when he died...some of the last words he said were "he's the one that's mean to me" while trying to point at a young man standing at the end of the bed.

There were almost two deaths that day.


Wow. Gotta admit I'd spend a lot of my time figuring out legal ways to make that kid's life was miserable after that. He picked the wrong job and knew it.

I figure that as the end seems to be near, I might try some drugs that were labelled as "going to screw up your life." A friend recommends mushrooms at this point, saying that acid is a young man's drug.

There's something romantic (and impossible) about spending my end on the desert, camping out and enjoying the view of infinity, and messing with the doors to perception.
 
2012-11-14 09:10:13 PM
Big sigh.

Yup. I know what you mean, Mr. Jensen. What a shame that our nation can't work something out to allow our elders freedom of choice - and to facilitate them to carry out their choice - up to the very end.

This week I read about two similar cases in California, in both cases there were no charges brought. .

Let's hope wisdom and compassion get the upper hand and this man can go home and, I hope, be looked after a bit by his neighbors. I don't understand how the judge didn't do that already, after having a chance to look at the background. This poor man is not a threat to anyone. He shouldn't have to spend even one more minute behind bars.Let him go home and they can continue their investigation.

So much sadness in the world.
 
2012-11-14 09:14:16 PM
10 Years ago this past Jan. I gave the order to take my wife off life support and allow her to die with a bit of dignity, how the fark is this different? dnrtfa.
 
2012-11-14 09:18:36 PM

NowhereMon: Front


Also, How to Die in Oregon. I caught it on HBO Go (might still be up), and I know it's available on Netflix DVD. (Not sure about streaming.) It's hugely moving, and a very sobering look at how hard -- yet necessary -- the choice to end one's life with dignity is when faced with a terminal disease.

/
 
2012-11-14 09:20:07 PM
(Oops, I somehow managed to mangle NowhereMon's post when I quoted it, sorry!)
 
2012-11-14 09:29:54 PM
Eps05: As someone who knew a person with MS, i empathize heavily with him and his wife. Late stage MS is terrible.

Also this. A good friend of mine's mother is bedridden at this point.


When my mother gets to this point, I plan on seeing a doctor for some strong sleeping pills (can't sleep doc, stress of mom dying is keeping me awake!) and leaving them where she can get at them if she wants.
 
2012-11-14 09:37:41 PM
Black widow lying in wait! You law enforcement need to keep an eye onhim & his kind, born before 1920!!!!
 
2012-11-14 09:43:07 PM
no - a bullet is not a mercy killing
 
2012-11-14 09:50:14 PM
Maybe he was just sick of her and offed her. None of us have any idea what the story is there. She can not back up his claim. He looks and sounds like a nice old man. Maybe its all an act.
 
2012-11-14 10:04:01 PM

The One True TheDavid: jst3p: The One True TheDavid:


Tried those & failed: exhaust gave me such a horrible headache & nausea that I couldn't keep sitting there, and all three times I tried pills somebody found me and called 911. The result was even more "subtle" brain damage than I had already. See?

It is my firm belief that people who have "tried" to kill themselves, particularly multiple times, aren't really trying.

So I'm a failure and an idiot. So shoot me.


That is my point, I don't think you are a failure, well at least not because of this. Your goal is to get attention, and I am sure you get it each time you "try" and off yourself. I do know this. If I really wanted to kill myself I would be dead by morning. 99% chance same is true of you.
 
2012-11-14 10:22:37 PM

The One True TheDavid: Slaves2Darkness:

sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.

Tank of helium, a rubber hose and a plastic bag with an elastic draw string. Insert hose into bag, place bag over head, turn on helium. The helium replaces oxygen, but does not cause gasping, you pass out and then die from lack of oxygen.

Why not nitrous oxide if you can get it? That sounds like fun.


Oh, you'll get plenty high off the helium. NO is used when you want to put the patient out temporarily.
 
2012-11-14 10:25:31 PM

the lord god: Maybe he was just sick of her and offed her. None of us have any idea what the story is there. She can not back up his claim. He looks and sounds like a nice old man. Maybe its all an act.


If that is true--and it's not impossible--then what does it say for our medical care system that there is no other option for him EXCEPT killing her? He can't dump her in a nursing home? Foist her off on relatives or the kids? Leave her on the curb? No. Even if your scenario is the correct one, it only works at his age if he ran through the other options and felt killing her was the best alternative. There's no evidence that, for instance, he's getting some kind of huge insurance payoff, or that she's leaving him lots of property in the will, or that family and friends were standing by and would gladly have relieved him of the burden, he was just to ornery to accept.

The idea that someone kills their spouse because he/she was tired of caring for them is only a viable scenario if the killer is going to be better off in some way after the killing--financially, emotionally, physically, whatever. If the killer is going to be poor, alone, and bereft, then you have to consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe, they really couldn't bear to watch their loved one suffer and felt they had no other recourse.
 
2012-11-14 10:28:38 PM
If it came to it and my husband asked, I'd kill him. If I went to jail for it, I'd go in knowing that I did right by the most important person in my life and I'd have no shame, guilt, or fear. Such a thing is worth ruining your life for. Though, like this old guy, I might ask for a blanket.
 
2012-11-14 10:34:02 PM
Shoot your own damn self.
 
2012-11-14 10:34:26 PM

jst3p: If I really wanted to kill myself I would be dead by morning


I used to vemhently hold that position, until I woke in a psych ward. You have no idea. Trust me.
 
2012-11-14 10:37:28 PM

trappedspirit: Shoot your own damn self.


you tell that to my quadriplegic uncle. You'll get the nastiest sounding gurgle you heard in a while.
 
2012-11-14 10:54:10 PM
ahhhh, kill me and I just start over.
The big reset button

It's good being a Buddhist.
 
2012-11-14 11:00:13 PM
A gun not the best method, helium would have been better, in every respect.
 
2012-11-14 11:03:44 PM
As said previously - this is why jury nullification exists.

I would not convict this man, even if it meant I had to force a hung jury.
 
2012-11-14 11:09:16 PM

TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.


The reason for that is the Death Penalty is a penalty for crimes. Mercy killing, is not.
 
2012-11-14 11:17:02 PM

Broktun: Fizpez: Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.

Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,

I hope I die peacefully in my sleep but if me or my wife is just plain old suffering at the end I don't think most people will judge too harshly.

Even one bottle of tylenol is enough to do the trick, but it takes 3 or 4 days.


I'm told that the liver failure route is more than a bit agonizing.
 
2012-11-14 11:46:51 PM

uttertosh: trappedspirit: Shoot your own damn self.

you tell that to my quadriplegic uncle. You'll get the nastiest sounding gurgle you heard in a while.


Why are we dragging your quadriplegic uncle into this? Dismissing the fact that we have to drag him where ever he goes.
 
2012-11-14 11:59:21 PM
Extra tank of CO2 filled, at the now defunct pepsi bottling facility in town, decades ago. Good for boosting plant growth, and producing fertilizer.

Really need an implant of Fentanyl with wireless connection to activate the plunger. If I can no longer recognize my own face on the screen and type in my name in the allotted time? Well, what's the use of running a train with a `daffy' conductor, or wrecking friends and family at the end of that line?. Irreproducible, ever more frequent errors in the function of the wetware concern me more than taking a header into a wood chipper (gone all to shiat like an old Abit board fitted with capacitors loaded with contaminated electrolyte).

In these matters the law is an inadequate `judge' of what constitutes `humane', or, even, what is rational 

Went through paternal Grandfather's garage after his death (prof. Civil Engineering): He had spent serious time placing twenty Styrofoam packing peanuts in large paper bag, into which he placed a smaller paper bag in which there were another twenty packing peanuts into which he'd placed an even smaller bag with another twenty count - seemingly.ad infinitum - the garage half-filled with nothing but these nested constructs; during one of his more `lucid' moments he'd broken my grandmother's - `the `devil's' - jaw. I would rather surrender a few months of `bright eyed and bushy tailed' to prevent a drooling, recursively paranoic denouement (wouldn't be `me', anyway, fark that look-a-like husk). 

/plotting out exit with a lawyer is far easier (for all concerned) than having lawyers plotting afterwards
 
2012-11-15 12:23:55 AM

trappedspirit: uttertosh: trappedspirit: Shoot your own damn self.

you tell that to my quadriplegic uncle. You'll get the nastiest sounding gurgle you heard in a while.

Why are we dragging your quadriplegic uncle into this? Dismissing the fact that we have to drag him where ever he goes.


haters gonna hate, but that's just how I roll him.
 
2012-11-15 12:28:05 AM

Rik01: I worked in the health care field for years and I saw a lot of folks die a miserable, lengthy, lingering death because of the laws. I'm for assisted suicide, especially when a person reaches the stage where living turns into sheer hell and that hell gets even worse once their money is sucked away by the hideous cost of care.

I've seen families all but abandon seriously ill loved ones, usually leaving them in the care of expensive nursing homes or dumping them on a single family member as care taker -- which then overloads the family member and they can become sick.

I understand the hesitation over assisted suicide, and not because of religious reasons, but because of inheritance. People bump off their ill relatives already if they become a nuisance or have something valuable they want. Plus for a time, before insurance companies applied restrictions, people suicided to get their families out of deep debt.

Then there is the whole temporary and treatable depression thing, brought on by any number of causes.

Still, there are obvious cases where assisted suicide has been justified. One should be allowed to not only die with dignity but not have to drain every last penny they have and mortgage their home to pay the costs of being required to live.

Dr. Kevorkian was ahead of his time. His suicide machine should be patented and made available to those who need it on Dr.s orders. (Cheaply!)

It's dawned on me over time that it's not the quantity of life lived, but the quality. When you've had enough, you should be allowed to go, not linger in abject misery.


THIS SO G-D MUCH.

I'm not sure if this applies for every state in the US, but in the 4 states I've worked EMS in, a family member can rescind a dying person's do not resuscitate order.

I've been a paramedic for 17 years. When I first got into medicine, I thought I was going to be a LIFE SAVER! It didn't take long to realize that wasn't going to be the case.

One of the toughest calls I've ever ran was for a woman with end-stage cervical cancer. Her brother was an RN and helped her and her husband with end-of-life issues, along with her "do not resuscitate " order.

She went into cardiac arrest one day, and her husband called 911. We got on scene to find a grown woman who, due to her disease, was merely skin and bones - maybe 70 pounds at the most. Her husband had lost it - "Do whatever you can for her!"

We tried to talk him out of it, be he wouldn't budge - "Please, save her!" Since he was her husband, we had no choice but to COMPLETELY DISREGARD this woman's wishes and do what her husband wanted.

Have any of you ever done CPR? It's not like "Baywatch." You break ribs. You break sternums. CPR, when done correctly, can cause a lot of damage to a person.

We "did everything we could" for this poor woman, and took her to the hospital. Her brother (the RN) was waiting for us, and when we walked in with his sister, he looked at his brother-in-law and said, "What the hell are you doing?" His brother-in-law looked at him for a moment and just started crying...at that point, we were able to stop.

I ran this call at the beginning of my EMS career, and it's stayed with me. I remember it like it happened yesterday. I felt (and still feel) like I let her down, because I did to her exactly what she didn't want done...I tried to save her.

Why am I telling you this? Because this woman made an informed decision about the end of her life and how she wanted it handled (do not resuscitate), and when that moment came, her wishes went right out the window because of her husband deciding to rescind her do not resuscitate order.

I get it, people - that was her HUSBAND. I know he thought he was doing what was right. I know he loved her very much. I can't imagine how hard his wife's disease and death was for him...

...but it was hard for her, too. SHE was the one with cancer. SHE was the person dying. And SHE didn't want her life extended.

I guess my point is this - if you have a friend or family member who is sick and/or dying, and that friend or family member chooses to die on their own terms, HONOR THEIR WISHES.

If medicine has taught me anything, it's QUALITY of life, not QUANTITY. Rik01 is right.
 
2012-11-15 01:34:00 AM
If you want to have your family "pull the plug," don't use Catholic hospitals.

The bishops have decided they have the right to override your advance directives.

Wish I was kidding.
 
2012-11-15 01:55:49 AM
One of the young women docs at my job went home, injected the skin at the side of her neck with lidocaine, and the cut open her carotids and bled to death.

Ignoring the psychic pain preceding that, it sounded like she thought through, pretty clearly, how to leave without suffering any more.
 
2012-11-15 02:24:17 AM
You should have honored her wishes.
But I don't blame you.
Not one bit.
In that situation, just about anyone would have done the same.
 
2012-11-15 02:31:41 AM
I'm more than slightly concerned at the number of people in this thread that have "suicide kits" I mean, really? WTF?
 
2012-11-15 05:51:42 AM
My last stay in the hospital, my next door neighbor was an old Portuguese woman in her 90s. The nurses were having to fight her to give her the medication prescribed. She wanted to died. Didn't speak English. The nurses didn't speak Portuguese. Her family had power of attorney and all the decision making power and they said she needed to live - even though she was suffering. It's disgusting.

In a way, I'm glad I'm a type 1 diabetic - over dose on insulin and take some sleeping pills. My brain will be dead before they find me.
 
2012-11-15 09:00:15 AM

Lawnchair: Fizpez: Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.

Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,

You shouldn't need to squirrel. My mom certainly didn't want to be where she was at the end of her cancer fight, but was too far into confusion and pain her last week to make her own arrangements. But, she was in hospice care (in our house). They give you a big bottle of oral morphine. They don't say "you're using too much" or measure how much you've used.

I guess the worse case is when you don't really have anyone that close to nurse you.



I'm glad someone posted a hospice story like that before I had to. My little sister died at 25 from a recurrence of a childhood cancer and that's actually how she went. Doctor had prescribed a 30 day dose of morphine for a patient that had maybe 4-5 days left.
 
2012-11-15 10:08:49 AM

PapaChester: [img43.imageshack.us image 700x546]

Best Voyager ever.

Well, Think Tank was pretty good too.


Not the Star Trek episode I was expecting to be referenced.

24.media.tumblr.com

Half a Life is definitely in my top 5 (maybe 3) TNG episodes and probably the first time I didn't abhor Lwaxana. Majel Barrett was brilliant in this episode.

/ Love TNG
// And Voyager
// Tearing up thinking about this. :(
 
2012-11-15 04:15:40 PM
Fizpez: Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.

Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,

I hope I die peacefully in my sleep but if me or my wife is just plain old suffering at the end I don't think most people will judge too harshly.

Even one bottle of tylenol is enough to do the trick, but it takes 3 or 4 days.



NO NO NO

Tylenol and other OTC meds are the wrong way to do it altogether. 9 times out of 10 it hurts so much that you go to the hospital and they pump your stomach and then determine that your kidneys or liver are shot and you aren't a donor candidate because you did it to yourself (even if you are a 12 year old girl, seriously). So you end up with a 6-12 month sentence of lingering pain until you finally die. OTC meds are NEVER the way to go.
 
2012-11-17 10:08:27 AM

SpaceyCat: My last stay in the hospital, my next door neighbor was an old Portuguese woman in her 90s. The nurses were having to fight her to give her the medication prescribed. She wanted to died. Didn't speak English. The nurses didn't speak Portuguese. Her family had power of attorney and all the decision making power and they said she needed to live - even though she was suffering. It's disgusting.

In a way, I'm glad I'm a type 1 diabetic - over dose on insulin and take some sleeping pills. My brain will be dead before they find me.


All the more goddamn reason to have an Advanced Directive for Care, and have it designated to be executed by someone you trust.
 
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