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(AZ Family)   "There are times when you get old like this, you feel like you've lived too damn long" Man arrested for helping wife die in mercy killing   (azfamily.com) divider line 203
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2012-11-14 05:10:25 PM
Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.
 
2012-11-14 05:11:29 PM

Jument: I gotta say, it's pretty horrific that he botched it. If my wife asked me to help her die and I really, truly believed it was the right thing to do I'd make sure it was done a hell of a lot better than this guy.


No kidding, 2 days later? He probably shot her in the gut. I can see wanting to have an open casket and all, but just put a bullet in the heart. If you really have to, that is.
 
2012-11-14 05:12:10 PM

Rent Party: cgraves67: My dad says that he doesn't want to go in a nursing home. If he goes for a walk in the woods and doesn't come back, don't go looking for a week. However, that seems unlikely to me. He's such a tough sumbiatch that he won't give up on living till well after he loses the capacity for walking.

I'm with your dad, as was my dad.

Our motto "If I ever can't feed myself or wipe my own ass, just take me fishing. I'll figure out a way to fall out of the boat."


That's a good motto. I'll share that one with my dad who loves to fish and control his own life.
 
2012-11-14 05:12:42 PM

Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.


Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,

I hope I die peacefully in my sleep but if me or my wife is just plain old suffering at the end I don't think most people will judge too harshly.
 
2012-11-14 05:13:29 PM

sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.


Make sure they have advanced directives. Very thorough advanced directives.
 
2012-11-14 05:13:48 PM
Two hundred years from now, people are going to think that this era was as barbarous as we think the dark ages were. There's no excuse for how we treat each other.
 
2012-11-14 05:13:53 PM
It's a slippery slope. If we accept assisted suicide as a normal part of society, then we must also be prepared to accept the fact that Soylent Green is people.
 
2012-11-14 05:15:11 PM

Sad King Billy: Two hundred years from now, people are going to think that this era was as barbarous as we think the dark ages were. There's no excuse for how we treat each other.


If they can read a corporate financial statement, they will understand perfectly.
 
2012-11-14 05:15:13 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If we didn't have such a hang-up over quantity over quality, there would be no stigma over someone ending their own life, so they didn't have to ask a loved one to be merciful and kill them.


It's those crazies and their magic book, farking thing up for everyone!
 
2012-11-14 05:15:41 PM
As someone who might be approaching this type of situation in the near future, I really think it's wrong that we force people to stay alive against their own desire, especially in the case of illness. While I don't think I will be able to assist someone in their suicide, I think they should have the option. Perhaps they can plead their case to some sort of panel of doctors to make it official that this is what they want so there is no question of murder. The worst part though is someone like my mom who won't be able to walk, talk, eat, or breath on her own in the future. What kind of life is that? It's so "nice" that jerks out there think it's for the best to make people suffer while their families sit by watching.
 
2012-11-14 05:16:07 PM

sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.


PROTIP: If you're thinking of going "Old Yeller" on them like this asshat did to his wife, you might want to reconsider your plans.
 
2012-11-14 05:16:38 PM
She was probably 22.

/dnrta
 
2012-11-14 05:17:04 PM
sariq:

Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.

Shoot them and then yourself. You have a son to carry on The Family Name (TM), don't you?

But don't mess it up. This lady didn't die for several days after she was shot: that's not mercy. A deer slug to the back of the head should do it.
 
2012-11-14 05:18:17 PM

AcneVulgaris: FirstNationalBastard: If we didn't have such a hang-up over quantity over quality, there would be no stigma over someone ending their own life, so they didn't have to ask a loved one to be merciful and kill them.

It's those crazies and their magic book, farking thing up for everyone!


I like to blame it on a woman who cheated on her husband and then covered it up with a story about being pregnant by a diety.
 
2012-11-14 05:18:56 PM

PillsHere: Perhaps they can plead their case to some sort of panel of doctors to make it official that this is what they want so there is no question of murder..


Saddly no and very very very very few doctors will risk the medical license and possible charge to do it. Also, you cannot help without becoming an accessory. Welcome to America, land of the ignorant. As was mentioned before, the book "Final Exit" covers all this and is a must read for anyone in this situation.
 
2012-11-14 05:19:22 PM

Slaves2Darkness: sariq: Jesus Christ. My parents are getting there. I have no idea what I'd do in a situation like this.

Tank of helium, a rubber hose and a plastic bag with an elastic draw string. Insert hose into bag, place bag over head, turn on helium. The helium replaces oxygen, but does not cause gasping, you pass out and then die from lack of oxygen.


What a way to enter Hell, laughing like Daffy Duck
 
2012-11-14 05:19:22 PM

The Ghost of Tom Ace: This is relevant to my interests.

/sadly
//no significant other to help me though
///otherwise, i wouldn't be considering it


Please don't. Your future significant other will be really peeved if you do. :(
 
2012-11-14 05:19:28 PM
It's really depressing, but if she had a little mobility left, a note or recording, or something could have been in order. I doubt she'd have wanted him to live out the remainder of his days behind bars.

dywed88: I suppose I should say that I understand the law and can justify it. Especially when the man kills his wife in their home. I do believe his motivation, but I don't think events as described here should be legal. There is way too much room for exploitation and other issues. I believe that it should be decided with the assistance of a doctor and have strong documentation to back it up. However as that is impossible, and for that reason alone I hope he gets off with minimal punishment (even if just released on compassionate grounds of some sort).


Exactly this.
 
2012-11-14 05:21:29 PM
After that, he told Maricopa County deputies the same thing, adding that his wife was sick and had recently been told by a doctor that she needed hospitalized.

www.antifeministtech.info
 
2012-11-14 05:21:44 PM
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"Lived too long"?? Look, fella, come back when you're a billion-year old head in a jar. Until then, don't talk to ME about being too old, you ambulatory creature.
 
2012-11-14 05:22:21 PM

Fizpez: Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.

Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,


You shouldn't need to squirrel. My mom certainly didn't want to be where she was at the end of her cancer fight, but was too far into confusion and pain her last week to make her own arrangements. But, she was in hospice care (in our house). They give you a big bottle of oral morphine. They don't say "you're using too much" or measure how much you've used.

I guess the worse case is when you don't really have anyone that close to nurse you.
 
2012-11-14 05:23:14 PM

FirstNationalBastard: If we didn't have such a hang-up over quantity over quality, there would be no stigma over someone ending their own life, so they didn't have to ask a loved one to be merciful and kill them.


This. People are so afraid of the end, that they do anything they can to live as long as possible. I'd rather drop dead at 55 after a great life than make it 90 with nothing to show for it.

/better to burn out than to fade away
//yeah, i went there
 
2012-11-14 05:24:15 PM
Mom died two years ago. In a hospice with LOTS of morphine. Her last words were: "Oh goody! I get to die and it doesn't hurt."

/bless that doctor
 
2012-11-14 05:24:15 PM
As someone who knew a person with MS, i empathize heavily with him and his wife. Late stage MS is terrible.
 
2012-11-14 05:24:19 PM

Oznog: [upload.wikimedia.org image 235x165]

"Lived too long"?? Look, fella, come back when you're a billion-year old head in a jar. Until then, don't talk to ME about being too old, you ambulatory creature.


Cpt Jack didn't age so well did he....
 
2012-11-14 05:24:38 PM

jso2897: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

They want to be In Charge. That's the point - control.


Exactly. I am fairly certain that suicide was made a mortal sin to keep the subjects miserable, malleable, and taxable.
 
2012-11-14 05:25:20 PM

Eps05: As someone who knew a person with MS, i empathize heavily with him and his wife. Late stage MS is terrible.


Also this. A good friend of mine's mother is bedridden at this point.
 
2012-11-14 05:25:40 PM
Jury trial.
Nullify.
 
2012-11-14 05:26:19 PM
TFA is definitely sad. Did you see where it said that one of their sons had just died?

I don't see why suicide, especially under these conditions, should be illegal. If we do not have the freedom to choose when we die, how free are we, really?
 
2012-11-14 05:26:32 PM

pxlboy: jso2897: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

They want to be In Charge. That's the point - control.

Exactly. I am fairly certain that suicide was made a mortal sin to keep the subjects miserable, malleable, and taxable.


It was made a mortal sin because they promised paradise in the afterlife to people who were living horribly harsh lives and they didn't want them checking out early.
 
2012-11-14 05:26:55 PM
Do it yourself, coward.
 
2012-11-14 05:29:09 PM
Pretty damn heartbreaking.

There are organizations that can help with stuff like this, so you don't have to shoot your loved one like a mad dog like Travis did in "Old Yeller." PBS had a show on just last night about it.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/11/the-suicide-plan-frontlin e -explores-organized-world-of-assisted-suicide.html
 
2012-11-14 05:29:19 PM

Relatively Obscure: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

I guess some people think that nobody in their right mind would want to die, and therefore anyone who wants to die is not in their right mind and shouldn't be allowed to make decisions. I guess.

I think there should, at least, be a way for people to check out. I'm not sure what I think that process should entail, though.


Go to the coroner's office, fill out a form, get a psych evalution, take a pill, and then have a forever nap. Optional organ harvest if you ticked that box on the form.
 
2012-11-14 05:29:39 PM
The state has an interest in keeping its sub- CITIZENS alive, and we can't have people offing gram-gram for the inheritance now can we?
 
2012-11-14 05:29:51 PM
I don't know how common the practice is but I had a friend who was left alone in the hospital room with he dying father. The doctor instructed her how to increase the morphine drip before he left "to lessen his pain".
 
2012-11-14 05:30:44 PM

biyaaatci: He shot her and she didn't die until 2 days later. Why not another method which would not have been so horrific?


Because we can't buy pentobarbitol over the counter, as Mexicans can.

Also, probably because it's hard to aim with tears in your eyes.
 
2012-11-14 05:31:44 PM

pxlboy: jso2897: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

They want to be In Charge. That's the point - control.

Exactly. I am fairly certain that suicide was made a mortal sin to keep the subjects miserable, malleable, and taxable.


IIRC that's more of the Catholic Church's handiwork.
 
2012-11-14 05:32:18 PM

The Ghost of Tom Ace: This is relevant to my interests.

/sadly
//no significant other to help me though
///otherwise, i wouldn't be considering it


Whoa Mate, just gonna softball that one in there, are ya?

Surprised it didn't get more attention, even on Fark.

If you're still in the right mind to still consider it, then you have options.

It's when that's the only choice that folks give in.

So, yeah...like, don't.
 
2012-11-14 05:33:32 PM

ChadM89: I agree that it's clearly murder under the law.

I think he should be convicted of it, and then sentenced to time served and informal probation.


I'm hoping that his attorney and the DA will work it out so that's the plea bargain. Putting this old man through a trial and jail time will pretty much kill him, if the stress doesn't do it before it ever gets to trial.
 
2012-11-14 05:33:56 PM

Nadie_AZ: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

And seem to love war.


don;t forget anti-abortion to add to the enigma.
 
2012-11-14 05:35:53 PM

fsbilly: Jury trial.
Nullify.


Yah. But it will be tough to find 12 Arizonans with compassion.
 
2012-11-14 05:36:44 PM
There should be an easier way to go home
www.trickedbythelight.com
 
2012-11-14 05:36:57 PM
My Dad made the comment that he wasn't afraid of dying..."None of us are going to get away from that one" but he was afraid that he'd live "too goddamn long". The last 10 months of his life weren't the best and I don't think that he would have chosen to live like he did.

My Mother has already started...ahem...preparing for her time. If she has to make that call I have no doubt that she will do so. And as far as I'm concerned it's her choice to make any time she goddamn well pleases. Same goes for me and the rest of you.
 
2012-11-14 05:38:06 PM

BarkingUnicorn: fsbilly: Jury trial.
Nullify.

Yah. But it will be tough to find 12 Arizonans with compassion.


You mean 1?
 
2012-11-14 05:40:32 PM

jso2897: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

They want to be In Charge. That's the point - control.


Have you seen what prisoners endure on the TV specials shown every farking week? Guilty or innocent, if I was tossed in prison for life please kill me now. It would be extra sweet if you gave my organs to those who are in need before juicing me Johnny. Death is kind compared to living out your life in a tiny concrete & steel cage surrounded by screaming lunatics who's idea of a good day is raping you in the shower or beating your brains out in the cafeteria.

stevetherobot: If I ever develop some form of dementia or debilitating illness, I damn sure hope someone will help me kill myself. That's no way to live.


why leave it to chance? there is all sorts of paperwork that should be tended to like power of attorney and your personal preferences regarding whether or not you should be put on life assist machinery, things of this sort that way too many people ignore. take care of such things, get your ducks in a row, don't leave the pain to loved ones. make sure people know of this documentation. people don't choose well when emotional. too many adults ignore making out a will, buying a cemetery plot, blah blah blah. the more pre-planning an adult does the more kindness they are showing their loved ones, sparing them agony when the inevitable does come.
 
2012-11-14 05:41:51 PM
Mandatory healthcare for the unborn and the comatose. If you're in between, screw you.
 
2012-11-14 05:41:53 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: My Dad made the comment that he wasn't afraid of dying..."None of us are going to get away from that one" but he was afraid that he'd live "too goddamn long". The last 10 months of his life weren't the best and I don't think that he would have chosen to live like he did.

My Mother has already started...ahem...preparing for her time. If she has to make that call I have no doubt that she will do so. And as far as I'm concerned it's her choice to make any time she goddamn well pleases. Same goes for me and the rest of you.


I had a friend that 'Kevorkian'd' himself in Oregon a few years ago. He checked out surrounded by friends and family, with dignity and he avoided a lot of suffering and stress on his family.
 
2012-11-14 05:43:09 PM

Fizpez: Broktun: Narcotics, sleeping pills, and alcohol.

Morphine, diazepam and whiskey will work.

Yep, I plan on squirreling away a couple dozen vicodin as I get older - the rest can be gotten at any time,

I hope I die peacefully in my sleep but if me or my wife is just plain old suffering at the end I don't think most people will judge too harshly.


Even one bottle of tylenol is enough to do the trick, but it takes 3 or 4 days.
 
2012-11-14 05:46:02 PM
"Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's difficult." Isaac Asimov.

Right now, assisted suicide is legal only in Oregon, Washington, and Montana. Might want to look into relocating if you're nearing end of life.
 
2012-11-14 05:46:34 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: TimonC346: MaudlinMutantMollusk:

And who are the people who insist your life must end "naturally" under any and all circumstances? On what do they base their insistence on controlling others?

It's really odd--the people who tend to be against mercy killing are all for the Death Penalty. That's...odd.

I'm for both


I'm for both as well as for abortion on demand, mandatory sex education including birth control methods for all 6th graders, condom distribution by every school middle and high nurse's office, subsidized birth control pills, shots, IUDs and diaphragms, voluntary sterilization, and one child policies if y'all must reproduce. I also support mass suicide as well as the self-sacrifice of individuals, and an occasional purge, genocide, mass famine, plague or "elimination of the (whatevers) as a class" could help too. We should aim to bring the global population down half its current level in the next ~40 years, and to under a billion by 2200, and yes I am including "Caucasians" in those figures in fair proportion to our numbers in the global population: 6/7 of my fellow honkies should be downsized as well.

Did I mention lately I'm considering running for US Congress in the next election? I have Paypal to handle contributions. EIP!



/Okay, I might be joking about the Congress part. But y'all can still send me money.
 
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