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(Some Guy)   David Simon (creator of "The Wire") talks about the Petraeus scandal. "Allen Dulles screwed his way through dozens of women as director of the CIA"   (davidsimon.com) divider line 30
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2012-11-14 04:08:20 PM
I agree with David Simon a lot, but he's wrong on this one. Hypocritically shiatting on people whose lives should remain private is one thing. Reporting on the gigantic world of shiat created by the director of the CIA and crashing some of the ridiculous levels of glory afforded to generals with a dose of reality is how you get a righteous scoop.
 
2012-11-14 04:10:23 PM
Yeah, but Allen Dulles was probably a Soviet spy. And JFK fired him. And we know how well that ended up. Dulles served on the Warren Commission, that's how.
 
2012-11-14 04:11:01 PM
possibly not probably
 
2012-11-14 04:13:46 PM
I blame the Gray Spy.
 
2012-11-14 04:13:48 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Yeah, but Allen Dulles was probably a Soviet spy. And JFK fired him. And we know how well that ended up. Dulles served on the Warren Commission, that's how.


JFK was just a movie, dude. I enjoyed it too, but it was just a movie.
 
2012-11-14 04:15:45 PM
whats the point of being rich, famous and/or powerful if you can't screw everything that moves?

Its what made america great damnit!
 
2012-11-14 04:22:19 PM

FishyFred: I agree with David Simon a lot, but he's wrong on this one. Hypocritically shiatting on people whose lives should remain private is one thing. Reporting on the gigantic world of shiat created by the director of the CIA and crashing some of the ridiculous levels of glory afforded to generals with a dose of reality is how you get a righteous scoop.


I generally agree, but I still enjoyed the calling out of Roger Simon (or anyone that works for Politico) as a mouth-breathing dimwit.
 
2012-11-14 04:22:54 PM

FishyFred: I agree with David Simon a lot, but he's wrong on this one. Hypocritically shiatting on people whose lives should remain private is one thing. Reporting on the gigantic world of shiat created by the director of the CIA and crashing some of the ridiculous levels of glory afforded to generals with a dose of reality is how you get a righteous scoop.


Did the "world of shiat" Patreus created have anything to do with whether he can effectively do the job of director of the CIA?
 
2012-11-14 04:24:02 PM

Wally Weaver: FishyFred: I agree with David Simon a lot, but he's wrong on this one. Hypocritically shiatting on people whose lives should remain private is one thing. Reporting on the gigantic world of shiat created by the director of the CIA and crashing some of the ridiculous levels of glory afforded to generals with a dose of reality is how you get a righteous scoop.

Did the "world of shiat" Patreus created have anything to do with whether he can effectively do the job of director of the CIA?


Yes. Security clearances are (rightfully) threatened by the possibility of blackmail.
 
2012-11-14 04:26:32 PM
To have a mistress is very French Dulles , to get caught with a mistress is very American Petreus.
 
2012-11-14 04:28:33 PM
i liked the article. i'm bored of gotcha sex tape media.
 
2012-11-14 04:29:45 PM
Nicely done.
 
2012-11-14 04:31:03 PM
They still haven't explained how Boardwell ended up with classified material on her home computer. Even if she had a security clearance she is an idiot for keeping the material on her home computer. If it is stuff she obtained while writing her hagiography then the CIA director is doubly stupid.
 
2012-11-14 04:37:04 PM
I've never cheated on a woman, but I'm well experienced with women cheating with me. I've never once thought it was a flaw in their character, just their husbands' inability to work it in the sack.
 
2012-11-14 04:40:12 PM
Ahem, co-creator of The Wire. Let's not downplay the contribution of Ed Burns.
 
2012-11-14 04:43:53 PM

FishyFred: Wally Weaver: FishyFred: I agree with David Simon a lot, but he's wrong on this one. Hypocritically shiatting on people whose lives should remain private is one thing. Reporting on the gigantic world of shiat created by the director of the CIA and crashing some of the ridiculous levels of glory afforded to generals with a dose of reality is how you get a righteous scoop.

Did the "world of shiat" Patreus created have anything to do with whether he can effectively do the job of director of the CIA?

Yes. Security clearances are (rightfully) threatened by the possibility of blackmail.


Correct. If I have to keep my dick in my pants in order to keep a clearance, so should everyone else. It's damned good reasoning.

I also got the third degree because I married a Canadian. I was fine with that too. There are risks associated with that.
 
2012-11-14 04:53:16 PM

Babwa Wawa: FishyFred: Wally Weaver: FishyFred: I agree with David Simon a lot, but he's wrong on this one. Hypocritically shiatting on people whose lives should remain private is one thing. Reporting on the gigantic world of shiat created by the director of the CIA and crashing some of the ridiculous levels of glory afforded to generals with a dose of reality is how you get a righteous scoop.

Did the "world of shiat" Patreus created have anything to do with whether he can effectively do the job of director of the CIA?

Yes. Security clearances are (rightfully) threatened by the possibility of blackmail.

Correct. If I have to keep my dick in my pants in order to keep a clearance, so should everyone else. It's damned good reasoning.

I also got the third degree because I married a Canadian. I was fine with that too. There are risks associated with that.


Very much so. If she starts getting too polite, you know she's' reporting to some moose up by the border.
 
2012-11-14 04:55:22 PM
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2012-11-14 04:31:03 PM
They still haven't explained how Boardwell ended up with classified material on her home computer. Even if she had a security clearance she is an idiot for keeping the material on her home computer. If it is stuff she obtained while writing her hagiography then the CIA director is doubly stupid.


No, but they did say that have determined that she was legally in possession of it.
 
2012-11-14 04:56:39 PM
I didn't know he had a blog, thanks Subby.

Generation Kill was awesome. too bad it was only 7 episodes.
 
2012-11-14 04:57:13 PM

FishyFred: I agree with David Simon a lot, but he's wrong on this one. Hypocritically shiatting on people whose lives should remain private is one thing. Reporting on the gigantic world of shiat created by the director of the CIA and crashing some of the ridiculous levels of glory afforded to generals with a dose of reality is how you get a righteous scoop.


Except Petraeus did not create a world of shiat. He had an extramarital affair with, as far as we know, one woman who was well-educated, had a background in the military, who flattered and adored him, and who was lovely to look at. This is something human and not uncommon. By all accounts he did not shirk his job. There is no evidence that he betrayed national secrets. He schtupped a hot, (comparatively) young thing. It affects his wife, his mistress, and their families, not the nation.

No, the thing that created the shiat-storm was a rogue, shirtless FBI agent with an axe to grind against the Obama administration doing a favor for a well-connected women who received annoying emails (we don't know how many) from Petraeus's mistress. These were private emails (and as far as we know, none of them were physically threatening), not government emails. According to some of the articles, if Kelley had gone to her local police department with the emails, they would not have had the grounds to investigate the case. This is the focal point, where the world of shiat began. Frankly, I don't give a flying fark about Petraeus's affair.
 
2012-11-14 05:08:56 PM

DeaH: According to some of the articles, if Kelley had gone to her local police department with the emails, they would not have had the grounds to investigate the case. This is the focal point, where the world of shiat began.


The incredible power of the FBI to investigate and surveil the parties to the extent that they did so is definitely frightening, but the subject here is whether a public official whose work can be adversely affected by infidelity deserves to be dragged through the mud. And my answer is yes, absolutely.
 
2012-11-14 05:30:21 PM

FishyFred: DeaH: According to some of the articles, if Kelley had gone to her local police department with the emails, they would not have had the grounds to investigate the case. This is the focal point, where the world of shiat began.

The incredible power of the FBI to investigate and surveil the parties to the extent that they did so is definitely frightening, but the subject here is whether a public official whose work can be adversely affected by infidelity deserves to be dragged through the mud. And my answer is yes, absolutely.


His work can be adversely affected by lack of sleep. Do we monitor his sleep habits? It can be adversely affected by having a sick child. Do we as those in power to take a vow of celibacy? The man had an affair. There is no evidence - none - that it in any way affected his job. The world of shiat is the part where the FBI and the press act like this is something world-shaking. David Simon was right, and most of the press is wrong. Petraeus's wife has every reason to be angry. The rest of us are rubber-neckers - except for the part about the FBI's rogue, shirtless agent who went to Eric Cantor before he knew if there was a national security issue or not - because the shirtless himbo wanted to bring the Obama administration down and he thought he might be able to dredge up some additional dirt. That is the part of the story that belongs to the public. The sex is just something that happened off in the wings.
 
2012-11-14 05:38:57 PM
Well, Dulles didn't have a gmail account.
 
2012-11-14 06:05:51 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: whats the point of being rich, famous and/or powerful if you can't screw everything that moves?

Its what made america great damnit!


SO MUCH THIS!
 
2012-11-14 06:06:08 PM
Man, I need to become the Director of the CIA.

Those guys have it good.
Anybody know their HR number??
 
2012-11-14 06:07:41 PM
ohh...I know...maybe he was seducing her to get her to betray her double-agent life.

James Bond does it....part of his job requirements.
 
2012-11-14 06:14:54 PM

blackminded: JFK was just a movie, dude. I enjoyed it too, but it was just a movie.


If you are in San Francisco on Nov. 22, you should see it again. It will be followed by E. Howard Hunt's son playing the audio tapes where his father confessed to him his involvement in JFK's assassination. He'll discuss his dad's life as a CIA assassin. After that, Lee Harvey Oswald's mistress, who left the country to hide in Europe for 50 years, will give a talk about the book she released last year (Me & Lee). Link

Nov 22 - Thursday - San Francisco
Presentation 4:00 - 11:00 pm
Roxy Theater
3117 16th Street San Francisco, CA 94103
(415) 863-1087
4:00 PM Doors Open
4:45 PM Introductions
4:50 PM Dr. Paul Kangas
5:15 PM Kris Millegan
5:25 PM Screening of Oliver Stone's JFK
8:30 PM Saint John Hunt (with Q&A)
9:30 PM Judyth Vary Baker (with Q&A)
 
2012-11-14 06:34:51 PM

Triumph: blackminded: JFK was just a movie, dude. I enjoyed it too, but it was just a movie.

If you are in San Francisco on Nov. 22 Thanksgiving, you should see it again. It will be followed by E. Howard Hunt's son playing the audio tapes where his father confessed to him his involvement in JFK's assassination. He'll discuss his dad's life as a CIA assassin. After that, Lee Harvey Oswald's mistress, who left the country to hide in Europe for 50 years, will give a talk about the book she released last year (Me & Lee). Link

Nov 22 - Thursday - San Francisco
Presentation 4:00 - 11:00 pm
Roxy Theater
3117 16th Street San Francisco, CA 94103
(415) 863-1087
4:00 PM Doors Open
4:45 PM Introductions
4:50 PM Dr. Paul Kangas
5:15 PM Kris Millegan
5:25 PM Screening of Oliver Stone's JFK
8:30 PM Saint John Hunt (with Q&A)
9:30 PM Judyth Vary Baker (with Q&A)

 
2012-11-14 10:43:08 PM
Dulles was a member of the shadow govt. He could do what he pleased.
 
2012-11-15 12:24:29 AM
who farking cares?

i expect a man doing a douchebag's job
to be a douchebag
 
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