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(ESPN)   Florida Marlins owner on why he chose to dismantle the team: "You simply make more money when you don't have to pay anyone"   (espn.go.com) divider line 52
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2012-11-14 03:53:35 PM  
Unfortunately my bosses discovered that fact last year.
 
2012-11-14 03:56:04 PM  
And people will continue to go to their games, and buy merchandise.
 
2012-11-14 03:56:24 PM  
It has to be hard to be a Marlins fan. It probably feels the same way I feel about being an Astros fan.
 
2012-11-14 03:57:32 PM  

iron_city_ap: And people will continue to go to their games


they do?
 
2012-11-14 03:57:33 PM  

iron_city_ap: And people will continue to go to their games, and buy merchandise.


No one goes to Marlins games. Their attendance at the old venue was often comparable to some minor league teams and this year, after the initial buzz of the new stadium wore off, they still had low attendance.
 
2012-11-14 03:58:10 PM  

iron_city_ap: And people will continue to go to their games


.....

iron_city_ap: and buy merchandise


I did see some hats around this season.
 
2012-11-14 03:58:13 PM  

m1ke: It has to be hard to be a Marlins fan.


That's probably why there aren't any.
 
2012-11-14 03:58:27 PM  
Well no subbby he didn't say that. Nice trollerific headline.

/he probably thought it though.
 
2012-11-14 03:58:45 PM  
Considering how badly the Marlins did last year, it was more like "we finished last with you, we can finish last without you."
 
2012-11-14 04:00:29 PM  

Nabb1: No one goes to Marlins games. Their attendance at the old venue was often comparable to some minor league teams and this year, after the initial buzz of the new stadium wore off, they still had low attendance.


Well, at JoeRobbieProPlayerLandsharkDolphinsSunLife Stadium, they had a legitimate gripe.. that place is -horrible- for baseball. Still, the overlying issue is it's hard to build a fanbase when everytime you taste success, the team is blown up and sold off before the champagne is cleaned up.

It's funny that they built the new stadium to intentionally have the smallest capacity in MLB and they STILL drew near the bottom in attendance (percentage).
 
2012-11-14 04:01:38 PM  

The Third Man: Considering how badly the Marlins did last year, it was more like "we finished last with you, we can finish last without you."


They had a lot of talent. Sometimes it takes more than a year (half a season) to make things work. Give them some freaking time.
 
2012-11-14 04:01:53 PM  
"We finished in last place. Figure it out,"

I think he's lying about why he went scorched earth, but I agree with the statement.
 
2012-11-14 04:03:31 PM  
I have been of the opinion that Jeffery Loria has been possessed by the spirit of Wayne Huizenga ever since he bought the damn team. Maybe an exorcism is in order before he makes another fountain in the Miami outfield.
 
2012-11-14 04:03:49 PM  

m1ke: It has to be hard to be a Marlins fan. It probably feels the same way I feel about being an Astros fan.


Pirate fan that is proud that Pittsburgh is not at the bottom feeder joke level as the above teams.

Go bucs
 
2012-11-14 04:05:28 PM  

Nabb1: iron_city_ap: And people will continue to go to their games, and buy merchandise.

No one goes to Marlins games. Their attendance at the old venue was often comparable to some minor league teams and this year, after the initial buzz of the new stadium wore off, they still had low attendance.


#18 overall in Total and Avg. home attendance in 2012. #13 in %. Obviously, people went. I'm sure a large portion of that was because of the new stadium, but obviously, people were going. Hopefully this season will be different.
 
2012-11-14 04:08:16 PM  
Translation: "Game's over, losers. I have all the money. Compare your lives to mine and then kill yourselves."
 
2012-11-14 04:09:57 PM  

The Third Man: Considering how badly the Marlins did last year, it was more like "we finished last with you, we can finish last without you."


Almost word for word what the actual quote in the article was.
 
2012-11-14 04:14:04 PM  
Dear Jeff,

Sometimes seem like a jerk but I just can't stay made at you, you big lug. Peace Out.

Sincerely,
Washington baseball fans
 
2012-11-14 04:14:09 PM  

rjakobi: I have been of the opinion that Jeffery Loria has been possessed by the spirit of Wayne Huizenga ever since he bought the damn team. Maybe an exorcism is in order before he makes another fountain in the Miami outfield.


Jeffrey Loria has been a giant asshole for longer than his tenure with the Marlins. Ask an Expos fan about him sometime.
 
2012-11-14 04:18:31 PM  
Connie Mack used to do this exact same thing for the exact same reasons and people think that farker is a saint.
 
2012-11-14 04:19:25 PM  

Nabb1: m1ke: It has to be hard to be a Marlins fan.

That's probably why there aren't any.


He doesn't need any. With his near-zero payroll for next year he'll make money just by putting his hand out for the revenue sharing check.
 
2012-11-14 04:22:39 PM  

Rent Party: Connie Mack used to do this exact same thing for the exact same reasons and people think that farker is a saint.


Here is something Connie said, "I'm not quitting because I'm getting old, I'm quitting because I think people want me to." Maybe that applies too.
 
2012-11-14 04:38:44 PM  
Jays achieve a great trade and the news is about how the Marlins suck.. sads. soo many sads.
 
2012-11-14 05:07:14 PM  
Dumbass? Sounds to me like he's the smartest owner in the majors. He got taxpayers to build him a stadium and now he can just sit back and let the revenue sharing checks roll in.
 
2012-11-14 05:28:40 PM  
oh god damn it. as if the Marlins were not already the laughing stock of the MLB....another fire sale?! I've been a Marlins fan most of my life (i'm only 29) and have attended hundreds of games at Joe Robbie Stadium and was really hoping to catch a few at the new ballpark (I don't live in south florida anymore but visit sometimes). at this point, the team is dead to me. the city should repossess the stadium and sell it to the highest bidder. I don't care what they do with it. Jeff Loria should be tarred, feathered, and HUNG. fark him for ruining a once great team!
 
2012-11-14 05:29:42 PM  
What really exists is the lack of a middle ground. If you spend a ton of money there is a good chance you team will make the playoffs. But if you spend a middle-amount of money, let's say $75-80 million, you probably won't. So in that case you might as well cut payroll to $35-40 million. And often on a cost-benefit basis it isn't worth the risk of spending for the reward of the extra money to be made. So in the end you can profit just as well by drastically cutting payroll.
 
2012-11-14 05:30:51 PM  

TheOther: "We finished in last place. Figure it out,"

I think he's lying about why he went scorched earth, but I agree with the statement.


I don't. They just brought it all the free agent talent AND a new manager, and they blow it all up after one year? The owner is insane.
 
2012-11-14 05:33:40 PM  
Which doesn't happen without salary cap and floor.

NFL > MLB
 
2012-11-14 05:34:13 PM  
The same logic also applies to taxpayers...you don't need to pay as much in taxes when you aren't buying new ballparks for overrich crybabies.
 
2012-11-14 05:56:14 PM  

Wadded Beef: Which doesn't happen without salary cap and floor.


The Marlins have been fined before for not spending enough on salary, at least according to Buster Olney in an insider piece earlier this year. I didn't see any articles in a quick search though to back it up.
 
2012-11-14 05:59:50 PM  
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Lou Brown Agrees
 
2012-11-14 06:02:22 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Dear Jeff,

Sometimes seem like a jerk but I just can't stay made at you, you big lug. Peace Out.

Sincerely,
Washington baseball fans


Fark you.

Sincerely
Montreal Expos fans.
 
2012-11-14 06:03:39 PM  
LeBatard eviscerated him on his show yesterday.
I can't wait to hear the podcast for todays show, considering Team President Samson has his usual call-in segment on Wednesdays.

Oh, and I bet Ozzie Guillen is laughing his ass off, getting paid no longer having to mamage this dumpster fire.
 
2012-11-14 06:05:15 PM  

Wadded Beef: Which doesn't happen without salary cap and floor.

NFL > MLB


The Bengals come pretty damn close.
 
2012-11-14 06:16:22 PM  
We'll always have '97 and '03.

/apologies to Cleveland
//and Chicago
 
2012-11-14 06:20:23 PM  
See, I can buy the argument of "we're not very good, so let's rebuild". I don't think the act of trading your best players is inherently bad, when you know you're not going to win with them anyway and you want to get worse, get better draft picks and get a few prospects who will help your team when you ARE ready to compete. The Marlins weren't going to compete this year. Too many things would have had to go exactly right for that to happen.

That being said, if your idea is to get some prospects, then why would you trade all your players of value in one trade? The prospects they got back were good - Nicholino, Marisnick and Hechavarria are all were in the top 5 of the Blue Jays' system - but you surely could have gotten more by dealing guys individually. Josh Johnson, by himself, should have gotten two of those guys.

Furthermore, if money isn't the issue, then why not absorb some of the cost of those contracts to get better prospects? In 2009 the Indians absorbed the cost of Casey Blake's remaining contract to get a better prospect - ended up being Carlos Santana, a potential all-star. By taking on NONE of the remaining money, you're getting less of a return. Since the team is awash with money now... there's no reason they should have to take a lesser return.

I know attendance was disappointing. I think the Marlins had the lowest attendance for a brand-new ballpark in MLB history. The new look, new contracts and new stadium were supposed to bring in a big spike in attendance like what happened with Minnesota. Instead, they ranked 18th and continued to have embarrassingly sparse crowds. I can understand that they wouldn't want to double down on more free agents this year. But the move was still completely unnecessary and completely antithetical to everything they promised when they asked for that taxpayer money.
 
2012-11-14 06:20:33 PM  
As a Jays fan, I think this trade is a good one for both sides. Sure, losing those players hurt the Marlins in the short term, but let's not forget they lost 93 games last year with those guys. Add to that they did add a lot of young talent to the team.

Escobar had a down year, but is still one of the better SS in the game. Alvarez needs to develop a third pitch to be an effective starter, but the talent is there. Hechavarria is outstanding defensively and has great speed, but needs to work on his hitting. Nicolino was one of the Jays top three pitching prospects, and Marisnick has tons of potential in the outfield.

Yeah, as a Marlin's fan I'd be pissed at them for dumping talent and salaries like they do, but they did pick up a lot of potential with this deal. In 2014 and beyond things could really turn out well for them with this trade.

/maybe not, but trying look on the bright side for my Marlins brethren
//Loria sucks
///Expos fan
 
2012-11-14 06:21:17 PM  

runwiz: What really exists is the lack of a middle ground. If you spend a ton of money there is a good chance you team will make the playoffs. But if you spend a middle-amount of money, let's say $75-80 million, you probably won't. So in that case you might as well cut payroll to $35-40 million. And often on a cost-benefit basis it isn't worth the risk of spending for the reward of the extra money to be made. So in the end you can profit just as well by drastically cutting payroll.


Orioles had an $84M payroll last year, Oakland was at $52M, and the Reds were at $87M. It's not easy to do as it used to be, but contracts/payrolls have stabilized over the last decade or so - teams are gradually creeping higher instead of bounding out of control. The Cardinals, for example, were a reliably $85-90M club for most of the last decade, but lately have crept up to well over $100M. That $85-90M spot is still generally the sweet spot for a mix of free agents and internal talent. The problem for St. Louis right now is not enough cheap pitching to get down that low - free agent caliber contracts to four starters ties up a lot of cash, especially when you also have three or four big name position players on veteran contracts, like Berkman, Beltran, Holliday, and Molina.

But still, if you can keep a relatively young team seasoned with a few veterans in key spots, hitting that $80M number and having success isn't out of the realm of possibility. It's not like the new norm is spending $120M or anything.
 
2012-11-14 06:23:45 PM  

SilentStrider: LeBatard eviscerated him on his show yesterday.
I can't wait to hear the podcast for todays show, considering Team President Samson has his usual call-in segment on Wednesdays.

Oh, and I bet Ozzie Guillen is laughing his ass off, getting paid no longer having to mamage this dumpster fire.


Im listening to LeBatard right now on 104.3. The Samson interview was taped with Dan today, it is on now in the 6 o'clock hour. This is the only time I can ever remember him taping his segment. He has always done it live. That said, Dan is grilling him pretty good. He is supposedly coming on at 5 tomorrow live and will do his regular spot including taking calls. That will be something to behold.

Yes Ozzie is the person who made out the best in this whole fiasco. He is sitting on a couch stuffed with millions of dollars, laughing his arse off and knowing that he doesnt have to Manage this AAA club. Hell Mike Redman is a pretty good spot. Who is going to blame him when the team wins 60 games and finishes last again?
 
2012-11-14 06:25:31 PM  

Mouthoy: We'll always have '97 and '03.

/apologies to Cleveland
//and Chicago


I was at game 7 in '97. Sorry Cleveland.
 
2012-11-14 06:37:25 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: SilentStrider: LeBatard eviscerated him on his show yesterday.
I can't wait to hear the podcast for todays show, considering Team President Samson has his usual call-in segment on Wednesdays.

Oh, and I bet Ozzie Guillen is laughing his ass off, getting paid no longer having to mamage this dumpster fire.

Im listening to LeBatard right now on 104.3. The Samson interview was taped with Dan today, it is on now in the 6 o'clock hour. This is the only time I can ever remember him taping his segment. He has always done it live. That said, Dan is grilling him pretty good. He is supposedly coming on at 5 tomorrow live and will do his regular spot including taking calls. That will be something to behold.

Yes Ozzie is the person who made out the best in this whole fiasco. He is sitting on a couch stuffed with millions of dollars, laughing his arse off and knowing that he doesnt have to Manage this AAA club. Hell Mike Redman is a pretty good spot. Who is going to blame him when the team wins 60 games and finishes last again?


Thanks for filling me in. I will enjoy the scadenfreude.

This means the Phils won't come in last in the division.
 
2012-11-14 06:57:33 PM  

Nabb1: iron_city_ap: And people will continue to go to their games, and buy merchandise.

No one goes to Marlins games. Their attendance at the old venue was often comparable to some minor league teams and this year, after the initial buzz of the new stadium wore off, they still had low attendance.


They drew 2.2 million this year. That's not horrible for a team that lost 93 games.
 
2012-11-14 07:39:50 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Nabb1: iron_city_ap: And people will continue to go to their games, and buy merchandise.

No one goes to Marlins games. Their attendance at the old venue was often comparable to some minor league teams and this year, after the initial buzz of the new stadium wore off, they still had low attendance.

They drew 2.2 million this year. That's not horrible for a team that lost 93 games.


Still pretty sad for a team in a new park.
 
2012-11-14 09:02:08 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Hell Mike Redman is a pretty good spot. Who is going to blame him when the team wins 60 games and finishes last again?


We're talking about an owner that fired *BOTH* Joe Giradi (who had just won manager of the year) and Fredi Gonzalez (who was the Marlins manager with the most wins ever, despite having bottom-of-the-barrel-payroll teams), because he decided he didn't like either one. Never assume a job is safe with Loria around.
 
2012-11-14 09:36:31 PM  
You know what else saves money. Getting the city to pay for most of your stadium. That saves money!
 
2012-11-14 10:08:41 PM  

Joe_diGriz: Igor Jakovsky: Hell Mike Redman is a pretty good spot. Who is going to blame him when the team wins 60 games and finishes last again?

We're talking about an owner that fired *BOTH* Joe Giradi (who had just won manager of the year) and Fredi Gonzalez (who was the Marlins manager with the most wins ever, despite having bottom-of-the-barrel-payroll teams), because he decided he didn't like either one. Never assume a job is safe with Loria around.


Oh the job isnt safe by any means, but I think other MLB teams understand that. The marlins have had like 8 managers in 10 years or something stupid like that. Redman will get MLB management experience and maybe when they decide to fire him he can get good work elsewhere.
 
2012-11-14 10:31:34 PM  
Strangely enough this isn't even AA's best trade since taking over the Blue Jays. Finding somebody, anybody, willing to take on Vernon Wells' contract was nothing short of a miracle.
 
2012-11-15 02:12:59 AM  
Dear Jays,

Danks and Floyd for Buehrle, okay? Please?!?

Sincerely,
White Sox

// not gonna happen, but a girl can dream :/
 
2012-11-15 04:27:56 AM  

Lumber Jack Off: oh god damn it. as if the Marlins were not already the laughing stock of the MLB....another fire sale?! I've been a Marlins fan most of my life (i'm only 29) and have attended hundreds of games at Joe Robbie Stadium and was really hoping to catch a few at the new ballpark (I don't live in south florida anymore but visit sometimes). at this point, the team is dead to me. the city should repossess the stadium and sell it to the highest bidder. I don't care what they do with it. Jeff Loria should be tarred, feathered, and HUNG. fark him for ruining a once great team!

 

You're not alone, man. I'm 31 and was at the first opening day at Joe Robbie. I too was hoping someday to see the new stadium but now, fark it. I don't know how much longer I can support this garbage organization.
 
2012-11-15 01:23:36 PM  
They only drew 2.2 million fans in a losing season when they expected 3 million? Oh dear, i guess it is time to totally sell off your star players and restock with a bunch of nobodies...that should boost the attendance and improve the odds of a winning season!

Why is this guy trying to say it wasn't a swindle? Does anyone believe it?
 
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