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2012-11-14 05:28:33 PM  
Benghazi was a failure somewhere. There were previous attacks on the consulate, and repeated requests for enhanced security. This kind of even should have been absolutely no surprise. Either you provide the necessary security to protect your consulate, or if you can't (because Republicans blocked a security bill), you withdraw your consulate. Someone should be held accountable for this lapse.

Mixed messages definitely came out of the administration with Rice claiming the attacks resulted from a spontaneous protest. I don't have any problem with the way the actual attack was handled, but failure definitely occurred prior to it with security and after it with communication.
 
2012-11-14 05:29:19 PM  

bradkanus: thanks for playing - you walked right into it.


Ah, the old debate tactic of pretending all went exactly as planned after you fail miserably to prove anything.

Farking tool.
 
2012-11-14 05:29:32 PM  

sprawl15: Rwa2play: sprawl15: More_Like_A_Stain: There is no hook. This is more like a cat toy than a fishing lure.

none of my cats demand citations from their feather on a string

Your cats are smarter than brad is at this point.

i dont have cats

[i.imgur.com image 454x340]


Of course not. That's impossible. People don't have cats. Cats have people.
 
2012-11-14 05:31:39 PM  
Obama illustrating how to reach across the aisle.

Being taken to the woodshed implies a punishment not a warning. Did he punish them or warn them?

It's more like he's challenging them to a duel or maybe reading them the riot act. I cliche no more.
 
2012-11-14 05:32:17 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Benghazi was a failure somewhere. There were previous attacks on the consulate, and repeated requests for enhanced security. This kind of even should have been absolutely no surprise. Either you provide the necessary security to protect your consulate, or if you can't (because Republicans blocked a security bill), you withdraw your consulate. Someone should be held accountable for this lapse.

Mixed messages definitely came out of the administration with Rice claiming the attacks resulted from a spontaneous protest. I don't have any problem with the way the actual attack was handled, but failure definitely occurred prior to it with security and after it with communication.


There weren't mixed messages. When Susan Rice went on ABC that Sunday the official line of the administration was that it was a spontaneous attack. You can argue whether it was spontaneous or not, but that was the official line. All she did was repeat it. She's the friggen UN ambassador, not the head of the CIA. But rather than go after petraeus, they choose the easy target in a dress.
 
2012-11-14 05:32:18 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Benghazi was a failure somewhere. There were previous attacks on the consulate, and repeated requests for enhanced security. This kind of even should have been absolutely no surprise. Either you provide the necessary security to protect your consulate, or if you can't (because Republicans blocked a security bill), you withdraw your consulate. Someone should be held accountable for this lapse.

Mixed messages definitely came out of the administration with Rice claiming the attacks resulted from a spontaneous protest. I don't have any problem with the way the actual attack was handled, but failure definitely occurred prior to it with security and after it with communication.


Who knows what was going on behind the scenes? You don't always want your enemies to know what you know. Saying "we think it was protests" can help keep the perpetrators' guard down.

They might as well be demanding answers from Obama on Bin Laden.

"You knew Bin Laden was living in Abbottabad for some time - why didn't you tell the American people?"
 
2012-11-14 05:33:03 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Of course not. That's impossible. People don't have cats. Cats have people.


Hah!

prrrrfect!
 
2012-11-14 05:33:04 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: They might as well be demanding answers from Obama on Bin Laden.


they are but obama is blaming rice for everything instead of taking responsibility
 
2012-11-14 05:33:06 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: farking smackdown from orbit


Have mercy.
 
2012-11-14 05:33:50 PM  
This is far too much effort for a cut & paste troll, y'alls.

The epic meltdown and very public failure of the right wing media they use as a surrogate for thinking means we don't need to entertain them any more. They can't even pretend to have credibility, and their entire world view plods along only because they're victims of the sunk-cost fallacy.
 
2012-11-14 05:33:51 PM  

bradkanus: but the guy lied to YOU


No he didn't.

bradkanus: wrong dipshiat - the president admitted today that they were watching the fight as it unfolded. Information wasn't "sketchy" - they watch it all on TV! They also had mulitple intel reports of action against the embassy in the days before the attack. The embassy even asked for troops in response to threats - were denied. The president KNEW. He lied about not knowing and admitted that today on TV. Although that was established weeks ago.


Poor poor Brad... You're desperate to find fault in the President. The eagerness with which regurgitate propaganda and bullshiat is exceeded only by your inability to perceive reality. Face it... you believe what you believe because you want to believe it... not because your position is supported by anything resembling fact.
 
2012-11-14 05:34:29 PM  

b>bradkanus: thanks for playing - you walked right into it.

www.lloyds.com

Things are proceeding exactly as I have forseen!
 
2012-11-14 05:37:27 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Someone should be held accountable for this lapse.

Mixed messages definitely came out of the administration with Rice claiming the attacks resulted from a spontaneous protest. I don't have any problem with the way the actual attack was handled, but failure definitely occurred prior to it with security and after it with communication.


Like when Condi Rice was held accountable for that Bin Laden memo? Or when the Bush Administration invaded a country because of bad intelligence?
 
2012-11-14 05:37:54 PM  

Epoch_Zero: rufus-t-firefly: farking smackdown from orbit

Have mercy.


I'm waiting for bradkanus to go through the information he requested and show us what statements were lies. Hell, I didn't even edit them - a few of them were actually shown to be incorrect by later quotes. But he'll need to show us how it all ties together in one big coverup or he's full of shiat. Or at the least, he can show us that Biden was being a scheming mastermind when he said that "we" weren't told about needing security, and that Carney's correction was just part of the master plan.

I'm sure he's working on that right now, and will take us all to the woodshed soon.
 
2012-11-14 05:38:35 PM  

bradkanus: The embassy even asked for troops in response to threats - were denied.



Troops were sent from Tripoli. Glen Doherty, one of the guys who died, was sent from Tripoli.
 
2012-11-14 05:38:44 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: b>bradkanus: thanks for playing - you walked right into it.

[www.lloyds.com image 200x164]

Things are proceeding exactly as I have forseen!


Damn you - I actually laughed out loud and got a funny look.
 
2012-11-14 05:43:37 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: More_Like_A_Stain: b>bradkanus: thanks for playing - you walked right into it.

[www.lloyds.com image 200x164]

Things are proceeding exactly as I have forseen!

Damn you - I actually laughed out loud and got a funny look.


Glad to be of service
 
2012-11-14 05:43:39 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: "Mr. President, don't think for one minute I don't hold you ultimately responsible for Benghazi. I think you failed as commander in chief before, during and after the attack," Graham said in a statement released by his office.

So Mr. Graham is now fully admitting that Obama is completely and totally responsible for killing Bin Laden, right?


This is the exact kind of response Republicans would have had if the Bin laden raid failed and elite Navy Seals died.
 
2012-11-14 05:44:18 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: I'm waiting for bradkanus to go through the information he requested and show us what statements were lies.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-14 05:44:40 PM  
Obama should beat the hell out of Graham with a cane.
What could anyone do to him?
What?

Nothing, that's what.
 
2012-11-14 05:46:01 PM  

JohnnyC: bradkanus: but the guy lied to YOU

No he didn't.

bradkanus: wrong dipshiat - the president admitted today that they were watching the fight as it unfolded. Information wasn't "sketchy" - they watch it all on TV! They also had mulitple intel reports of action against the embassy in the days before the attack. The embassy even asked for troops in response to threats - were denied. The president KNEW. He lied about not knowing and admitted that today on TV. Although that was established weeks ago.

Poor poor Brad... You're desperate to find fault in the President. The eagerness with which regurgitate propaganda and bullshiat is exceeded only by your inability to perceive reality. Face it... you believe what you believe because you want to believe it... not because your position is supported by anything resembling fact.


Hey now - read the transcript from today's press conference and you'll see that bk is right.

Well, I'm sure it's there somewhere.
 
2012-11-14 05:47:11 PM  
McCain has a point. He thinks Rice just may not be the person for such an important job. McCain has some real experience in this kind of decision. After all, he with much thought and vetting offered the vice presidency to Sarah Palin.
 
2012-11-14 05:47:29 PM  

redmond24: Apocalyptic Inferno: Benghazi was a failure somewhere. There were previous attacks on the consulate, and repeated requests for enhanced security. This kind of even should have been absolutely no surprise. Either you provide the necessary security to protect your consulate, or if you can't (because Republicans blocked a security bill), you withdraw your consulate. Someone should be held accountable for this lapse.

Mixed messages definitely came out of the administration with Rice claiming the attacks resulted from a spontaneous protest. I don't have any problem with the way the actual attack was handled, but failure definitely occurred prior to it with security and after it with communication.

There weren't mixed messages. When Susan Rice went on ABC that Sunday the official line of the administration was that it was a spontaneous attack. You can argue whether it was spontaneous or not, but that was the official line. All she did was repeat it. She's the friggen UN ambassador, not the head of the CIA. But rather than go after petraeus, they choose the easy target in a dress.


They were mixed. You had Nuland saying they were hesitant to say anything about the motivations or perpetrators, then Rice a couple days later saying with certainty it was the video and had nothing to do with the US government, when that was obviously nonsense. Attacks and violence had been occurring before this, including assaults on the consulate. Then Carney alluding to the video and Obama focusing on the video in his UN speech, but internally according to CNN, they knew it was a terrorist attack from day one. The continued focus on the video in relation to Benghazi is really what makes no sense.

Regardless, the communication component is minor, but could have been handled better. The real question that should be answered is why was the consulate still there when sufficient security could not be provided? Someone should be held accountable for that decision.
 
2012-11-14 05:49:18 PM  

bradkanus: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50601


"Arnold was an op-ed columist with the NY Post for eight years, currently writing for JewishWorldReview.com and FrontPageMag.com. Arnold can be reached at: atahl­e­rt­[nospam-﹫-backwards]t­sacmoc*ne­t"

lol, "news source"
 
2012-11-14 05:50:36 PM  
I love how this whole thing has come down to: The White House knew it was a terrorist attack BUT THEY DIDN'T TELL US! That means THEY LIED!!!

Everything else is secondary to that one fact. HE KNEW BUT DIDN'T SAY SO!! And I still can't understand why that's got so many people up in arms. So what if the President knew on 9/12 that it was an actual terrorist attack? Why does it make any difference whether the official report blamed a terrorist group that day or a week later? Nobody--not here and not in the real world--has come up with any rational reason why it makes the slightest difference that that information was delayed a few days. Whether it was for confirmation or because initial reports were garbled--what possible difference does it make to anyone here in America?

Withholding information is not a lie. And in this case, it's not even a material omission of fact. Once it was confirmed, we knew it was a terrorist attack, we knew which group was responsible, and we knew when they got caught. Why does it matter which day we got informed? Maybe someday, someone will be able to tell me why it's so goddamn important and such an impeachable offense that the President wasn't making a pronouncement on 9/12 that it was eville terr'ists; but for now, it's just dumb.
 
2012-11-14 05:52:41 PM  

CynicalLA: Apocalyptic Inferno: Someone should be held accountable for this lapse.

Mixed messages definitely came out of the administration with Rice claiming the attacks resulted from a spontaneous protest. I don't have any problem with the way the actual attack was handled, but failure definitely occurred prior to it with security and after it with communication.

Like when Condi Rice was held accountable for that Bin Laden memo? Or when the Bush Administration invaded a country because of bad intelligence?


It's so pathetic how much debate devolves into tu quoque fallacies. This conversation is about Benghazi. It's not the point of every criticism of a Democrat that you should vote Republican. It's not BSARBVR. You should still be able to criticize your side without resorting to constant on-upsmanship. There are quite a few things i don't like about the first four years of Obama, and I will honestly criticize him for those, but I still voted for him.
 
2012-11-14 05:53:08 PM  
"I wonder why we are starting this new Congress with a protracted debate about a foregone conclusion. I can only conclude that we are doing this for no other reason than because of lingering bitterness over the outcome of the election." -John McCain, on the confirmation of Secretary of State nominee Rice, Condoleezza Rice, eight years ago
 
2012-11-14 05:53:36 PM  
Man, Farkers are getting easy.
Trolled by a guy who calls himself "Brad K. Anus", who claims to be from Virginia in his post, claims to be from Texas in his profile, and provides links to right wing shiat blogs as "citations"
Pitiful. Get it together, you guys.

i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-14 05:55:05 PM  
i5.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-14 05:56:10 PM  
You people are arguing about how many angels you can fit on the head of a pin.
I'll only type this once:
What happened at Benghazi was an CIA joint.
As such, none of us small people will ever know what happened because 1) It's secret, and 2) It's secret because revealing details would reveal CIA tactical and operational details that are ... secret.
Somebody screwed up, but this was a screw-up along the lines of the Blackhawk helicopter shootdowns in Somalia. Things happen when you're at play in the fields of the lord.
All of the adults in charge understand this.
Now, Senators John "Thud! Did I Crash Another Navy Jet?!" McCain and Lindsey "Nope, Not Gay!" Graham (America's top Air Force reserve tactical lawyer and rug buyer) are on a warpath because they think they can. They've obviously forgotten that they;re now in the senate minority by quite a margin.
Obviously they're angling for impeachment, or just to raise a stinky stink.
Life will go on.

Let BENGHAZI! be the clarion call of the part of losers.
We'll all get tee shirts. Girls will wear the word emblazoned across their short shorts.
Life will go on.
 
2012-11-14 05:56:18 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Benghazi was a failure somewhere. There were previous attacks on the consulate, and repeated requests for enhanced security. This kind of even should have been absolutely no surprise. Either you provide the necessary security to protect your consulate, or if you can't (because Republicans blocked a security bill), you withdraw your consulate. Someone should be held accountable for this lapse.

Mixed messages definitely came out of the administration with Rice claiming the attacks resulted from a spontaneous protest. I don't have any problem with the way the actual attack was handled, but failure definitely occurred prior to it with security and after it with communication.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-14 05:57:02 PM  
Apocalyptic Inferno: according to CNN, they knew it was a terrorist attack from day one.

CNN's unnamed law enforcement source is the only one saying that as a source, no? Everyone else saying it is just repeating him? What sort of "law enforcement source" has that info anyway? FBI?
 
2012-11-14 05:57:36 PM  

bradkanus: It's hilarious to see the left defend a guy who is one story #4 about Benghazi and flailing about in his own press conference trying to redirect the nation's attention from his fark up and his staff's fark up.

Be partisan all you want, but the guy lied to YOU. If you're fine with that, great. If not, just admit your jesus isn't perfect and start examining things a little deeper.


Not quite Messiah, but close enough...DRINK!
 
2012-11-14 05:57:42 PM  

Gyrfalcon: And I still can't understand why that's got so many people up in arms.


Well, you see, there was this press conference that ended with a photo of an embarrassing smirk. It kind of gave the impression that someone was trying to make political points over the death of four Americans, and that would be bad. So this whole thing was ginned up on the spur of the moment to try to distract from that embarrassing photo. But then it took on a life of it's own and grew a bit too large, just a bit too quickly. And now it just can't be reined in anymore. Whoopsie!
 
2012-11-14 06:00:52 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: CynicalLA: Apocalyptic Inferno: Someone should be held accountable for this lapse.

Mixed messages definitely came out of the administration with Rice claiming the attacks resulted from a spontaneous protest. I don't have any problem with the way the actual attack was handled, but failure definitely occurred prior to it with security and after it with communication.

Like when Condi Rice was held accountable for that Bin Laden memo? Or when the Bush Administration invaded a country because of bad intelligence?

It's so pathetic how much debate devolves into tu quoque fallacies. This conversation is about Benghazi. It's not the point of every criticism of a Democrat that you should vote Republican. It's not BSARBVR. You should still be able to criticize your side without resorting to constant on-upsmanship. There are quite a few things i don't like about the first four years of Obama, and I will honestly criticize him for those, but I still voted for him.


This isn't about one-upsmanship. My point was that the people calling this a scandal are only doing it for political reasons. If someone did something illegal then they should be punished. There has been no proof of wrongdoing yet but I'm sure it's coming.
 
2012-11-14 06:01:50 PM  

I_Hate_Iowa: Apocalyptic Inferno: according to CNN, they knew it was a terrorist attack from day one.

CNN's unnamed law enforcement source is the only one saying that as a source, no? Everyone else saying it is just repeating him? What sort of "law enforcement source" has that info anyway? FBI?


i43.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-14 06:04:29 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: You people are arguing about how many angels you can fit on the head of a pin.
I'll only type this once:
What happened at Benghazi was an CIA joint.
As such, none of us small people will ever know what happened because 1) It's secret, and 2) It's secret because revealing details would reveal CIA tactical and operational details that are ... secret.
Somebody screwed up, but this was a screw-up along the lines of the Blackhawk helicopter shootdowns in Somalia. Things happen when you're at play in the fields of the lord.
All of the adults in charge understand this.
Now, Senators John "Thud! Did I Crash Another Navy Jet?!" McCain and Lindsey "Nope, Not Gay!" Graham (America's top Air Force reserve tactical lawyer and rug buyer) are on a warpath because they think they can. They've obviously forgotten that they;re now in the senate minority by quite a margin.
Obviously they're angling for impeachment, or just to raise a stinky stink.
Life will go on.

Let BENGHAZI! be the clarion call of the part of losers.
We'll all get tee shirts. Girls will wear the word emblazoned across their short shorts.
Life will go on.


That should be "a" not "an"

This makes your entire post invalid.

So says GOP
 
2012-11-14 06:04:53 PM  
Dogs bark - but the caravan moves on.
 
2012-11-14 06:05:32 PM  

mrshowrules: bradkanus: if "taking them to the woodshed" means "asking someone to blame me for someone else's mistake and requesting a chat about it" then I've been wrong about that phrase for a while.

I thought the president did a good job of taking the blame instead of shirking it. He simply asked that the critics go after him, not her. I don't see how that is bad for McCain and Graham - they got the president to recognize their shenanigans on national TV bringing more wood to an already raging fire.

Subby obviously didn't watch the press conference.

He told them to shut their cake hole on Benghazzi/Rice. If they do, they were taken to the woodshed. If they don't, he will take them to the woodshed.

Subby might be premature but the woodshed is in play.


What is he going to do about it? Yell at them?
 
2012-11-14 06:07:17 PM  

sprawl15: A woodshed? What color is it? I use my sword to detect whether it's good.


It's white. Why? It's neither good nor evil. It's a woodshed.

/screw it. Roll initiative!
 
2012-11-14 06:07:50 PM  

bradkanus: thanks for playing - you walked right into it.


Jesus fark. That was the single feeblest troll attempt in recent memory. Possibly... ever.

Perma-ignore.
 
2012-11-14 06:08:33 PM  
i18.photobucket.com

You all keep posting this picture, but to me it says a few things.

Why the hell aren't US embassies in hostile countries more secure? Jeez.

Republicans aren't going to call for investigations into a Republican administration, DUH.

Democrats didn't seem to care enough to call for investigations into any of these attacks.
 
Ab3
2012-11-14 06:10:23 PM  
All we are going to hear about on the right for the next for years is Benghazi isn't it?
 
2012-11-14 06:12:10 PM  

jso2897: Dogs bark - but the caravan moves on.


The caravan thunders onward
To the distant dream of the city
The caravan carries me onward
On my way at last, on my way at last



Sorry, had to.
 
2012-11-14 06:12:54 PM  

bradkanus:

So, since I'm a failure here,


Cut!

That's a wrap!
 
2012-11-14 06:12:58 PM  

addy2: BMulligan: freetomato: I wish the has-been shell of a once-decent man that is McCain would just STFU - about everything from now on. Every time I hear him speak I can only think "thanks a bunch for foisting that loathsome hillbilly and her spawn on America, asshole".

I can always tell in threads such as this one who is too young to remember the Keating Five. McCain has always demonstrated rather flexible ethics.

Thank you. I tend to forget that myself.


I freely admit that in '89 I didn't pay attention to politics. I was too worried about the next concert or party. He's been a POS for a long time, I see. I still wish the crotchety, bitter, irrelevant sore loser would just STFU already.
 
2012-11-14 06:14:08 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: You people are arguing about how many angels you can fit on the head of a pin.
I'll only type this once:
What happened at Benghazi was an CIA joint.
As such, none of us small people will ever know what happened because 1) It's secret, and 2) It's secret because revealing details would reveal CIA tactical and operational details that are ... secret.
Somebody screwed up, but this was a screw-up along the lines of the Blackhawk helicopter shootdowns in Somalia. Things happen when you're at play in the fields of the lord.


Came here to say this.

In fact, Broadwell was accusing it of being worse than that. The real target was the CIA base, to rescue some high-profile prisoners being kept there. The attack on the consulate was supposed to get the CIA to send their security to help the base, so then the attackers would target the (relatively) unprotected base. It didn't work- the consulate security was able to hold them off, and the base was kept secure. If they'd move Delta Force in there, it would have been obvious what the CIA base was up to.

So...yeah. Nobody's going to admit that, nor should they. I don't really care that the cover story wasn't well organized. That's hardly a snafu. And frankly, if they're going to report every American death from repelling an enemy force, there wouldn't much room left to report anything else.
 
2012-11-14 06:16:02 PM  

Amdam: These next 4 years could be a lot of fun.


I'm hoping it will be. Life's been a tad boring, besides depressing, since Bush rode in and out of town.
 
2012-11-14 06:17:50 PM  

Corvus: bradkanus: Be partisan all you want, but the guy lied to YOU.

Then give us the exact quote he lied about.



Then give us the exact quote he lied about
 
2012-11-14 06:18:01 PM  

jigger: [Why the hell aren't US embassies in hostile countries more secure? Jeez.

Republicans aren't going to call for investigations into a Republican administration, DUH.

Democrats didn't seem to care enough to call for investigations into any of these attacks.


A better question is, why are all of these questions asked when an embassy or consulate gets attacked, but nobody seems to give a shiat when our soldiers get killed from similar attacks in Iraq or Afghanistan. Apparently people who work for the State Department are sancrosanct, while the people who work for the military are just bullet stoppers.
 
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