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2012-11-14 05:10:07 PM  

Corvus: !!!!!


Corvus: !!!!!


Corvus: !!!!!

 
2012-11-14 05:10:16 PM  

vartian: bradkanus: It's hilarious to see the left defend a guy who is one story #4 about Benghazi and flailing about in his own press conference trying to redirect the nation's attention from his fark up and his staff's fark up.

Be partisan all you want, but the guy lied to YOU. If you're fine with that, great. If not, just admit your jesus isn't perfect and start examining things a little deeper.

You are so adorable. *pinches cheeks*

Where have you been? Must have been a tough couple weeks for a conservative living in Washington D.C. Did you see the fireworks?


I work in politics - I don't get excited about who is president. I pretty much only care about the house and senate and I'm butt hurt about the Senate - if you'd like to know.

too many of the morons in here have no idea what the president does and why he is of little importance with the current makeup of the house and senate. Did you not hear him running toward MItt's tax plan for the rich today?
 
2012-11-14 05:10:18 PM  

bradkanus: Corvus: bradkanus: Be partisan all you want, but the guy lied to YOU.

Then give us the exact quote he lied about.

choke on this ashole

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-told-cbs-hours-after-benghazi-a t tack-that-he-had-suspicion-that-event-was-pre-planned-so-why-did-the-s tory-change/


http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

Have you not watched the news. Obama said come after him for the lies he had his officials tell, so that makes him a liar.


Welcome to the Bannation - Population = you
 
2012-11-14 05:10:24 PM  

bradkanus: http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

how about Canadian press?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50601


How about a quote? Feel free to pull it from any of the links that you've provided. Or any other really. You don't even have to get fancy and turn the quote into a link. Just post a quote.
 
2012-11-14 05:11:00 PM  

BMulligan: freetomato: I wish the has-been shell of a once-decent man that is McCain would just STFU - about everything from now on. Every time I hear him speak I can only think "thanks a bunch for foisting that loathsome hillbilly and her spawn on America, asshole".

I can always tell in threads such as this one who is too young to remember the Keating Five. McCain has always demonstrated rather flexible ethics.


Thank you. I tend to forget that myself.
 
2012-11-14 05:11:24 PM  

Corvus: You seem to not even know what you are talking about all you have is what right wingers told you.

KIND OF LIKE WHEN THEY TOLD YOU ROMNEY WAS GOING TO WIN TUESDAY!!!

/yes I went there.


Keep going there. It will be my talking point until I die.
 
2012-11-14 05:11:51 PM  

bradkanus: vartian: bradkanus: It's hilarious to see the left defend a guy who is one story #4 about Benghazi and flailing about in his own press conference trying to redirect the nation's attention from his fark up and his staff's fark up.

Be partisan all you want, but the guy lied to YOU. If you're fine with that, great. If not, just admit your jesus isn't perfect and start examining things a little deeper.

You are so adorable. *pinches cheeks*

Where have you been? Must have been a tough couple weeks for a conservative living in Washington D.C. Did you see the fireworks?

I work in politics - I don't get excited about who is president. I pretty much only care about the house and senate and I'm butt hurt about the Senate - if you'd like to know.

too many of the morons in here have no idea what the president does and why he is of little importance with the current makeup of the house and senate. Did you not hear him running toward MItt's tax plan for the rich today?


Hah, more evasion~! Keep going there champ~!
 
2012-11-14 05:12:14 PM  
oi48.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-14 05:12:24 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: bradkanus: http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

how about Canadian press?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50601

How about a quote? Feel free to pull it from any of the links that you've provided. Or any other really. You don't even have to get fancy and turn the quote into a link. Just post a quote.


It's funny how they thing many right wingers repeating something makes it true.

Then reality like the election hits.
 
2012-11-14 05:12:44 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: "Mr. President, don't think for one minute I don't hold you ultimately responsible for Benghazi. I think you failed as commander in chief before, during and after the attack," Graham said in a statement released by his office.

So Mr. Graham is now fully admitting that Obama is completely and totally responsible for killing Bin Laden, right?


Oh, heavens no!
 
2012-11-14 05:12:56 PM  

bradkanus: I work in politics


Janitor at the motor pool doesn't really qualify as "I work in politics"
 
2012-11-14 05:13:05 PM  

Rwa2play: Hah, more evasion~! Keep going there champ~!


you can get the hook to go away by biting even harder

its true i heard it on reddit
 
2012-11-14 05:13:47 PM  

Corvus: bradkanus: The president's staff has given four stories at his direction. He lied.

How are we supposed to discuss this matter if you don't even know the quotes you are talking about?


The actual quotes don't capture the extent of the dishonest. Imagine a scene with Obama standing in silhouette in the Oval Office smoking a crack pipe with no shirt on with Barney Frank rubbing massage oil on his back. He says to Rahm Emanuel (he's still there for some reason) "Cover this up because I'm not losing the election over this. Prep the plane because I don't want to be late for my meeting with Soros in Vegas".
 
2012-11-14 05:14:05 PM  
well children, It's been nice seeing you refuse to read the news and pretend a press conference on the fiscal cliff didn't turn into a grilling on Libya - you're not smart enough to understand what's going on, but when you are, you might graduate from being a liter by then.
 
2012-11-14 05:14:39 PM  

bradkanus: You're obviously not going to follow the previous links that lay out what happened so I'll give you another one.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/


Give us a fuking quote asshole!
 
2012-11-14 05:14:44 PM  

bradkanus: how about Canadian press?


"This is way bigger than Watergate. The only difference is that, this time, a corrupt administration is being protected by an equally corrupt media, completely determined to drag their anointed candidate across the election finish line before this scandal explodes. Such a despicable alliance is the stuff of totalitarian regimes.

And mark my words: if they get away with it, that exactly what this nation will become"


Fair and balanced, eh?
 
2012-11-14 05:14:57 PM  

Corvus: More_Like_A_Stain: bradkanus: http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

how about Canadian press?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50601

How about a quote? Feel free to pull it from any of the links that you've provided. Or any other really. You don't even have to get fancy and turn the quote into a link. Just post a quote.

It's funny how they thing many right wingers repeating something makes it true.

Then reality like the election hits.


I mean, you just knew the usual suspects were going to come out and pull crap like this. Like Monty Python's black knight however, they seem to not realize they can't do crap except howl at the moon at this point.

So. Much. Fun.
 
2012-11-14 05:15:06 PM  
Ok I think it's obvious that bradkanus has no clue how the "president lied to us" even though he says it's true. He has just been told by Hot Air and other Republican sources that also told us Romney was going to win in a landslide so I am not going to stay here and harp on him, because it's obvious he is regurgitating talking points that he doesn't have any facts to support.
 
2012-11-14 05:15:10 PM  

bradkanus: Corvus: bradkanus: Didn't catch on as a scandal? He had to field a question about it in a press conference where his staff controls who gets picked to ask a question!!!! Do you not read the newspaper? This is still huge.

MItt didn't say anything in the debate because he farked up and jumped the gun when the story broke and didnt' want the president to beat him over the head with it. But you wouldn't know that because you don't read much, do you?

Then why do you not even now what was said? Why is your "proof" talking points from right wing sites? Can't you think for yourself? Why can't you show us what went wrong instead of just linking to talking points?

You seem to not understand what you are mad at because you seem unable to explain it.

You're obviously not going to follow the previous links that lay out what happened so I'll give you another one.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

Just let me know if you can't read and I'll leave you alone. I mean, you have a guy who is claiming credit for all of his employees fark ups today and therefore admitting he is the source of them and now you don't want to let him own his mistakes.

If you're that dumb, I can't help you.


From your link:

He added that there was no reason to think that the Benghazi attack wasn't related to the video, given that the clip had sparked protests in many Muslim cities.

"The unrest that we've seen around the region has been in reaction to a video that Muslims, many Muslims, find offensive," Carney said.


OMG SMOKING GUN.

This: "We have no reason to think the attack wasn't related to the video, since we've seen so much unrest in reaction to it."

Doesn't quite equal this: "The video is the direct cause of the embassy attack."

Please, flail more.
 
2012-11-14 05:15:19 PM  

sprawl15: Rwa2play: Hah, more evasion~! Keep going there champ~!

you can get the hook to go away by biting even harder

its true i heard it on reddit


There is no hook. This is more like a cat toy than a fishing lure.
 
2012-11-14 05:16:28 PM  

bradkanus: Did you not hear him running toward MItt's tax plan for the rich today?


Funnied!
 
2012-11-14 05:16:37 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: There is no hook. This is more like a cat toy than a fishing lure.


none of my cats demand citations from their feather on a string
 
2012-11-14 05:16:52 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: bradkanus: I work in politics

Janitor at the motor pool doesn't really qualify as "I work in politics"


Hey mister, that's Bradley K. Anus,executive transportation department refuse negotiator, (Class B), you're talking to.
 
2012-11-14 05:16:57 PM  
Hey man, good record.

www.thelyricarchive.com
 
2012-11-14 05:17:14 PM  

bradkanus: http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

how about Canadian press?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50601


Normally I ignore you, because it's easier on my blood pressure, but you need some straightening out, for Corvus's sake if nothing else. I'm sure you won't pay attention, but try this on for size.

A changing story is not the same thing as a lie. Changing stories occur when the initial report is found to be based on incorrect or partial facts, which are later found to be wrong, or which are filled in with more facts as an evolving story unfolds. A "lie" is a total fabrication or untruth told with malice or intent to deceive on the part of the teller, usually for profit or other ulterior motive.

So in this case, the initial reports coming out of Benghazi were fragmented and indicated a terrorist attack; then later reports indicated it was a spontaneous attack following a protest about the video; then finally it appeared that the terrorists themselves staged the protest as a cover for a planned assault on the consulate. None of those are untrue; they are updates to an evolving story that are CHANGED as new facts become available.

A LIE, you see, is telling people something you know to be untrue or unverified by facts. Something like "We know there are WMDs in Baghdad." Now if a President were to assert something like that live on TV, that would be a lie. And if he insisted it was still true later, because he was too embarrassed to admit he was wrong, it would still be a lie. Not a "changing story."
 
2012-11-14 05:17:55 PM  

Gyrfalcon: for Corvus's sake if nothing else


Corvus will be sorted out by puberty in due time.
 
2012-11-14 05:18:02 PM  

bradkanus: well children, It's been nice seeing you refuse to read the news and pretend a press conference on the fiscal cliff didn't turn into a grilling on Libya - you're not smart enough to understand what's going on, but when you are, you might graduate from being a liter by then.


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-14 05:18:11 PM  

bradkanus: well children, It's been nice seeing you refuse to read the news and pretend a press conference on the fiscal cliff didn't turn into a grilling on Libya - you're not smart enough to understand what's going on, but when you are, you might graduate from being a liter by then.


If there are all these lies like you say why not just cut and paste them?

Unless, you don't know what they are. You are just repeating right wing talking points but don't actually have proof to support these points. It's obvious you believe it only because sites like Hot Air tell you they are true and you don't look at them critically.

It's the same thing that happened in the election. These people said Romney would win in a landslide and they believed it even though facts said other wise.

You're believing bullshiat and not questioning it or asking for proof.
 
2012-11-14 05:19:01 PM  

sprawl15: More_Like_A_Stain: There is no hook. This is more like a cat toy than a fishing lure.

none of my cats demand citations from their feather on a string


Your cats are smarter than brad is at this point.
 
2012-11-14 05:19:25 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Normally I ignore you, because it's easier on my blood pressure, but you need some straightening out, for Corvus's sake if nothing else. I'm sure you won't pay attention, but try this on for size.


Don't let these guys get you mad. make fun of them as you show everyone the fools they are.
 
2012-11-14 05:19:43 PM  

bradkanus: I work in politics


somehow i find that both believable & frightening.
 
2012-11-14 05:20:02 PM  

Corvus: Ok I think it's obvious that bradkanus has no clue how the "president lied to us" even though he says it's true. He has just been told by Hot Air and other Republican sources that also told us Romney was going to win in a landslide so I am not going to stay here and harp on him, because it's obvious he is regurgitating talking points that he doesn't have any facts to support.


Okay - I'll turn the table. What is the Presdient's official "excuse" for the attacks. What exactly does he say happened. REmember - he had no idea what was going on September 12th. However today admitted they were "watching" the attack and couldn't clearly see the severity of the fighting going on.

So, since I'm a failure here, please educate me on the President's official position on the entire attack. I need to know obviously. Do not put links - I want quotes - the standard you request of me.
 
2012-11-14 05:20:27 PM  

Corvus: bradkanus: Corvus: bradkanus: The president's staff has given four stories at his direction. He lied.

Give us these quotes then!!! Stop pretending because you or other right wing nut jobs said it it make it true.

That didn't work for the election did it? They said it was going to be a Romney landslide so why should we take their word on this?

who is "they" when they said Romney was going to win, and what does that have to do with me? I live in Virginia - I could see it was over for Romney in September. You obvioulsy watch way too much Fox and get your news form Drudge, because nobody I read had Romney winning at all.

Ok I am taking one of your quotes from that link then:


"The unrest that we've seen around the region has been in reaction to a video that Muslims, many Muslims, find offensive," Carney said.

Is that a lie? Yes or No?

Was their unrest in the region because of the video YES or NO?


It was obviously a lie. Have you seen the reviews?

Tripoli Times: "A hilarious romp."

Cairo Picayune: "Best portrayal of Muhammad EVER."

Aden Post: "All Muslims should see this flick."

See? 0BAMA AND HIS CRONIES LIED.

All the crowds were just wanting to use our embassies' Internet connection to watch the trailer for themselves.
 
2012-11-14 05:20:31 PM  

mrshowrules: Corvus: bradkanus: The president's staff has given four stories at his direction. He lied.

How are we supposed to discuss this matter if you don't even know the quotes you are talking about?

The actual quotes don't capture the extent of the dishonest. Imagine a scene with Obama standing in silhouette in the Oval Office smoking a crack pipe with no shirt on with Barney Frank rubbing massage oil on his back. He says to Rahm Emanuel (he's still there for some reason) "Cover this up because I'm not losing the election over this. Prep the plane because I don't want to be late for my meeting with Soros in Vegas". He then kicked Michelle, farked Bo, and stormed out of the room, shouting "Thug life 4eva, biatches!".


FTFY
 
2012-11-14 05:20:44 PM  
How are we to judge if a statement is lie if they can't even tell me what statement they are talking about?

Obviously they know if they do their position will be quickly be debunked, this is why they refuse to do so.
 
2012-11-14 05:20:48 PM  

Corvus: Ok I think it's obvious that bradkanus has no clue how the "president lied to us" even though he says it's true.


This.
 
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2012-11-14 05:21:47 PM  

bradkanus: Corvus: Ok I think it's obvious that bradkanus has no clue how the "president lied to us" even though he says it's true. He has just been told by Hot Air and other Republican sources that also told us Romney was going to win in a landslide so I am not going to stay here and harp on him, because it's obvious he is regurgitating talking points that he doesn't have any facts to support.

Okay - I'll turn the table. What is the Presdient's official "excuse" for the attacks. What exactly does he say happened. REmember - he had no idea what was going on September 12th. However today admitted they were "watching" the attack and couldn't clearly see the severity of the fighting going on.

So, since I'm a failure here, please educate me on the President's official position on the entire attack. I need to know obviously. Do not put links - I want quotes - the standard you request of me.


I am not making an allegation you are. You told us the president is lying.

Are you now going to go back from that?
 
2012-11-14 05:22:27 PM  

Rwa2play: sprawl15: More_Like_A_Stain: There is no hook. This is more like a cat toy than a fishing lure.

none of my cats demand citations from their feather on a string

Your cats are smarter than brad is at this point.


i dont have cats

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-14 05:22:35 PM  

bradkanus: Corvus: Ok I think it's obvious that bradkanus has no clue how the "president lied to us" even though he says it's true. He has just been told by Hot Air and other Republican sources that also told us Romney was going to win in a landslide so I am not going to stay here and harp on him, because it's obvious he is regurgitating talking points that he doesn't have any facts to support.

Okay - I'll turn the table. What is the Presdient's official "excuse" for the attacks. What exactly does he say happened. REmember - he had no idea what was going on September 12th. However today admitted they were "watching" the attack and couldn't clearly see the severity of the fighting going on.

So, since I'm a failure here, please educate me on the President's official position on the entire attack. I need to know obviously. Do not put links - I want quotes - the standard you request of me.


So you are admitting you were wrong and have no way to back up your allegations you were making earlier?
 
2012-11-14 05:23:44 PM  

Corvus: bradkanus: Corvus: Ok I think it's obvious that bradkanus has no clue how the "president lied to us" even though he says it's true. He has just been told by Hot Air and other Republican sources that also told us Romney was going to win in a landslide so I am not going to stay here and harp on him, because it's obvious he is regurgitating talking points that he doesn't have any facts to support.

Okay - I'll turn the table. What is the Presdient's official "excuse" for the attacks. What exactly does he say happened. REmember - he had no idea what was going on September 12th. However today admitted they were "watching" the attack and couldn't clearly see the severity of the fighting going on.

So, since I'm a failure here, please educate me on the President's official position on the entire attack. I need to know obviously. Do not put links - I want quotes - the standard you request of me.

I am not making an allegation you are. You told us the president is lying.

Are you now going to go back from that?


Sounds like it; he's now evading from proving that the President is lying by trying to turn the tables.

Pa. the. tic. He needs to go back to the usual suspects; they seemed to have a better grasp on this than he does.
 
2012-11-14 05:23:52 PM  

Gyrfalcon: bradkanus: http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

how about Canadian press?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50601

Normally I ignore you, because it's easier on my blood pressure, but you need some straightening out, for Corvus's sake if nothing else. I'm sure you won't pay attention, but try this on for size.

A changing story is not the same thing as a lie. Changing stories occur when the initial report is found to be based on incorrect or partial facts, which are later found to be wrong, or which are filled in with more facts as an evolving story unfolds. A "lie" is a total fabrication or untruth told with malice or intent to deceive on the part of the teller, usually for profit or other ulterior motive.

So in this case, the initial reports coming out of Benghazi were fragmented and indicated a terrorist attack; then later reports indicated it was a spontaneous attack following a protest about the video; then finally it appeared that the terrorists themselves staged the protest as a cover for a planned assault on the consulate. None of those are untrue; they are updates to an evolving story that are CHANGED as new facts become available.

A LIE, you see, is telling people something you know to be untrue or unverified by facts. Something like "We know there are WMDs in Baghdad." Now if a President were to assert something like that live on TV, that would be a lie. And if he insisted it was still true later, because he was too embarrassed to admit he was wrong, it would still be a lie. Not a "changing story."


wrong dipshiat - the president admitted today that they were watching the fight as it unfolded. Information wasn't "sketchy" - they watch it all on TV! They also had mulitple intel reports of action against the embassy in the days before the attack. The embassy even asked for troops in response to threats - were denied. The president KNEW. He lied about not knowing and admitted that today on TV. Although that was established weeks ago.
 
2012-11-14 05:24:39 PM  

sprawl15: Rwa2play: sprawl15: More_Like_A_Stain: There is no hook. This is more like a cat toy than a fishing lure.

none of my cats demand citations from their feather on a string

Your cats are smarter than brad is at this point.

i dont have cats

[i.imgur.com image 454x340]


Oh NOES~! I've been had~!

...meh :)
 
2012-11-14 05:24:44 PM  

bradkanus: Corvus: Ok I think it's obvious that bradkanus has no clue how the "president lied to us" even though he says it's true. He has just been told by Hot Air and other Republican sources that also told us Romney was going to win in a landslide so I am not going to stay here and harp on him, because it's obvious he is regurgitating talking points that he doesn't have any facts to support.

Okay - I'll turn the table. What is the Presdient's official "excuse" for the attacks. What exactly does he say happened. REmember - he had no idea what was going on September 12th. However today admitted they were "watching" the attack and couldn't clearly see the severity of the fighting going on.

So, since I'm a failure here, please educate me on the President's official position on the entire attack. I need to know obviously. Do not put links - I want quotes - the standard you request of me.


Thank you for that admission.

And, before reading this, remember that the violence wasn't only in Benghazi.

September 12 -- President Barack Obama:

"The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. ... No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation."

September 12 -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton:
"We are working to determine the precise motivations and methods of those who carried out this assault. Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior, along with the protest that took place at our embassy in Cairo yesterday, as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. America's commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is no justification for this; none."

September 12 -- White House spokesman Jay Carney, in response to questions about whether the attack was planned:

"It's too early for us to make that judgment. I think -- I know that this is being investigated, and we're working with the Libyan government to investigate the incident. So I would not want to speculate on that at this time."

September 12 -- Obama, at a campaign event in Las Vegas, again uses the "act of terror" line:

"No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America."

He repeats the line again the next day in Golden, Colorado. "I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished."

September 13 -- Jay Carney:

"The protests we're seeing around the region are in reaction to this movie. They are not directly in reaction to any policy of the United States or the government of the United States or the people of the United States."

September 13 -- A senior U.S. official tells CNN that the Benghazi violence was a "clearly planned attack":

"It was not an innocent mob," the official said. "The video or 9/11 made a handy excuse and could be fortuitous from their perspective, but this was a clearly planned military-type attack."

September 13 -- State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland:

"Well, as we said yesterday when we were on background, we are very cautious about drawing any conclusions with regard to who the perpetrators were, what their motivations were, whether it was premeditated, whether they had any external contacts, whether there was any link, until we have a chance to investigate along with the Libyans. So I know that's going to be frustrating for you, but we really want to make sure that we do this right and we don't jump to conclusions. That said, obviously, there are plenty of people around the region citing this disgusting video as something that has been motivating."

September 14 -- Jay Carney:

"We were not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent."

September 16 -- Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on CNN's "State of the Union" with Candy Crowley:

"There was a hateful video that was disseminated on the Internet. It had nothing to do with the United States government, and it's one that we find disgusting and reprehensible. It's been offensive to many, many people around the world. That sparked violence in various parts of the world, including violence directed against Western facilities including our embassies and consulates."

On CBS' "Face the Nation," Rice also said that, "We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned."

September 18 -- Jay Carney:

"Our belief, based on the information we have, is it was the video that caused the unrest in Cairo, and the video and the unrest in Cairo that helped -- that precipitated some of the unrest in Benghazi and elsewhere. What other factors were involved is a matter of investigation."

September 19 -- Jay Carney:

"It is a simple fact that there are, in post-revolution, postwar Libya, armed groups, there are bad actors hostile to the government, hostile to the West, hostile to the United States. And as has been the case in other countries in the region, it is certainly conceivable that these groups take advantage of and exploit situations that develop, when they develop, to protest against or attack either Westerners, Americans, Western sites or American sites. ... Right now I'm saying we don't have evidence at this point that this was premeditated or preplanned to coincide on a -- to happen on a specific date or coincide with that anniversary."

September 19 -- Matthew Olson, director of the National Counterterrorism Center, responding to a question by Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Chairman Joe Lieberman on whether the attack was a terrorist attack:

"They were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy. ... At this point, what I would say is that a number of different elements appear to have been involved in the attack, including individuals connected to militant groups that are prevalent in eastern Libya, particularly the Benghazi area, as well we are looking at indications that individuals involved in the attack may have had connections to al Qaeda or al Qaeda affiliates, in particular al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb." Olson also said U.S. officials had no "specific evidence of significant advanced planning."

September 20 -- Jay Carney:

"It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Our embassy was attacked violently, and the result was four deaths of American officials."

September 20 -- President Obama at a town hall meeting organized by the Spanish-language Univision Network, responding to a question about the possible involvement of al Qaeda:

"What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests."

September 21 -- Hillary Clinton:

"What happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack, and we will not rest until we have tracked down and brought to justice the terrorists who murdered four Americans."

September 25 -- President Obama on ABC's "The View," in response to interviewer Joy Behar's question, "I heard Hillary Clinton say it was an act of terrorism. Is it? What do you say?":

"We're still doing an investigation. There's no doubt that (with) the kind of weapons that were used, the ongoing assault, that it wasn't just a mob action. We don't have all the information yet, so we're still gathering it. But what's clear is that around the world, there's still a lot of threats out there." Obama also said "extremist militias" were suspected to have been involved.

September 26 -- Hillary Clinton:

"What is happening inside Mali is augmented by the rising threat from violent extremism across the region. For some time, al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and other groups have launched attacks and kidnappings from northern Mali into neighboring countries. Now, with a larger safe haven and increased freedom to maneuver, terrorists are seeking to extend their reach and their networks in multiple directions. And they are working with other violent extremists to undermine the democratic transitions under way in North Africa, as we tragically saw in Benghazi."

September 27 -- Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta:

"It was a terrorist attack. ... As we determined the details of what took place there and how that attack took place, it became clear that there were terrorists who had planned that attack."

September 27 -- A senior U.S. official tells CNN that it became clear within about a day of the Benghazi attack that it been the work of terrorists.

Separately, CNN National Security Analyst Fran Townsend reports that a law enforcement source told her that "from day one, we had known clearly that this was a terrorist attack."

September 28 -- Statement by Shawn Turner, spokesman for Director of National Intelligence James Clapper:

"In the immediate aftermath, there was information that led us to assess that the attack began spontaneously following protests earlier that day at our embassy in Cairo. We provided that initial assessment to executive branch officials and members of Congress, who used that information to discuss the attack publicly and provide updates as they became available. Throughout our investigation, we continued to emphasize that information gathered was preliminary and evolving. As we learned more about the attack, we revised our initial assessment to reflect new information indicating that it was a deliberate and organized terrorist attack carried out by extremists."

October 1 -- Nuland, in response to calls from Rep. Peter King, R-California, for Rice to resign because her remarks about the attack were, according to him, misleading:

"Well, let me start by saying that Secretary Clinton believes that Ambassador Rice has done a superb job. So let's just start there, and we completely reject any such calls here in this building."

October 1 -- Nuland, responding to a question about whether officials in Libya had sought additional security for diplomatic installations and personnel there:

"I think it's fair to say that we are still working through what we have in this building in terms of documentation, in terms of information about what we knew, who knew it, when they knew it, and that's part of the process that we have to go through."

October 2 -- Carney:

"I can tell you that from the moment our facility was attacked in Benghazi, the president's focus has been on securing our diplomats and facilities in Libya and around the world, and on bringing the killers to justice. At every step of the way, the administration has based its public statements on the best assessments that were provided by the intelligence community. As the intelligence community learned more information, they updated Congress and the American people on it."

October 9 -- During a background briefing with reporters, a senior State Department official responding to a question about whether the attack was a spontaneous assault taking advantage of a demonstration over the movie:

"That is a question that you would have to ask, have to ask others. That was not, that was not our conclusion. I'm not saying that we had a conclusion."

The background briefing contains detailed information about the attack, including how dozens of armed men stormed the complex as Stevens and two security team members took refuge in a fortified room.

"The lethality and the number of armed people is unprecedented," one official said. "There had been no attacks like that anywhere in Libya -- Tripoli, Benghazi or anywhere -- in the time that we had been there. And so it is unprecedented, in fact, it would be very, very hard to find precedent for an attack like (it) in recent diplomatic history."

October 9 -- Clapper, during a speech in Orlando:

Upon returning from a trip to Australia, Clapper said, he was "reading the media clips about the hapless, hopeless, helpless, inept, incompetent DNI, because I acknowledged publicly that we didn't instantly have that 'God's eye, God's ear' certitude" about what had happened.

He later added, in answer to a question: "The challenge is always a tactical warning, the exact insights ahead of time that such an attack is going to take place, and obviously we did not have that. This gets into the mysteries versus secrets thing. If people don't behave, emit a behavior or talk or something else ahead of time to be detected, it's going to be very hard to predict an exact attack and come up with an exact attack."

October 10 -- Under Secretary of State for Management Pat Kennedy, in congressional testimony:

"No one in the administration has claimed to know all the answers. We have always made clear that we are giving the best information we have at the time, and that information has evolved."

In the same hearing, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Programs Charlene Lamb testified that the State Department "had the correct number of assets in Benghazi at the time."

October 10 -- Obama, in an ABC interview:

"The information may not have always been right the first time. And as soon as it turns out that we have a fuller picture of what happened, then that was disclosed."

October 10 -- Carney, responding to questions about whether administration officials had misled the public because they did not want to acknowledge a terrorist attack:

"The president of the United States referred to it as an act of terror immediately after it occurred."

"I never said we don't know if it's terrorism. There was an issue about the definition of terrorism. This is by definition an act of terror, as the president made clear."

October 11 -- Vice President Joe Biden, during his debate with GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan, responding to a question about what the administration knew about security requests from Libya:

"We weren't told they wanted more security there."

October 12 -- Carney, asked to respond to Biden's comments:

"The vice president was speaking about himself, and the president and the White House. He was not referring to the administration, clearly, since there was a public hearing for four and a half hours where it was discussed openly by individuals working at the State Department requests that were made."

October 15 -- Clinton, in an interview with CNN:

"I take responsibility. I'm in charge of the State Department's 60,000-plus people all over the world, 275 posts. The president and the vice president wouldn't be knowledgeable about specific decisions that are made by security professionals. They're the ones who weigh all of the threats and the risks and the needs and make a considered decision."

October 16 -- Obama, speaking to GOP challenger Mitt Romney at their second debate:

"The day after the attack, governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people in the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened; that this was an act of terror. And I also said that we're going to hunt down those who committed this crime."
 
2012-11-14 05:25:03 PM  

bradkanus: So, since I'm a failure here,


Finally! Something we can all agree on.

bradkanus: Do not put links - I want quotes - the standard you request of me.


The standard that you have yet to meet.
 
2012-11-14 05:25:17 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Careful, Mr President. If you get McCain angry, at best he will call your wife a coont.
 
2012-11-14 05:25:33 PM  

bradkanus: http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-st ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/19/mcclatchy-obama-admin-changed-s t ory-on-benghazi-to-blame-video-3-days-after-attack/

how about Canadian press?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50601


I've been following along and been entertained by your floundering, but seriously, the freep as a news source? It's noticeably less reliable than WND. You really need to step up your game, we expect a better breed of lunatic here.

Cheers

// Canadian so libbyist lib and all that
 
2012-11-14 05:25:52 PM  

bradkanus: REmember - he had no idea what was going on September 12th. However today admitted they were "watching" the attack and couldn't clearly see the severity of the fighting going on.


So on the 12th, they didn't know exactly what was going on in an attack that they couldn't clearly see.

THE HORROR!!!

This truly is a national scandal.
 
2012-11-14 05:26:15 PM  

bradkanus: you might graduate from being a liter by then.


I would just like to point out that this is the dumbest thing you said in this thread. And you have said a number of really dumb things.
 
2012-11-14 05:26:41 PM  

Corvus: bradkanus: Corvus: Ok I think it's obvious that bradkanus has no clue how the "president lied to us" even though he says it's true. He has just been told by Hot Air and other Republican sources that also told us Romney was going to win in a landslide so I am not going to stay here and harp on him, because it's obvious he is regurgitating talking points that he doesn't have any facts to support.

Okay - I'll turn the table. What is the Presdient's official "excuse" for the attacks. What exactly does he say happened. REmember - he had no idea what was going on September 12th. However today admitted they were "watching" the attack and couldn't clearly see the severity of the fighting going on.

So, since I'm a failure here, please educate me on the President's official position on the entire attack. I need to know obviously. Do not put links - I want quotes - the standard you request of me.

I am not making an allegation you are. You told us the president is lying.

Are you now going to go back from that?


Gotcha! - crickets.

how would you know if I'm lying if you don't know the story yourself.

Kind of funny that you don't have an asnwer even though I gave you the link to the four answers!

thanks for playing - you walked right into it.
 
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