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(Badass Digest)   "Cowboys & Aliens" creator finally sits down to watch the movie adaptation and live tweets about it. Well, until he got bored about 30 minutes in   (badassdigest.com ) divider line
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2012-11-15 12:28:21 AM  

Mugato: Englebert Slaptyback: Mugato

/and why is gold valuable everywhere in the galaxy?


It's uncommon and it's very useful in electrical applications.

It's uncommon on earth but it's also uncommon everywhere in the universe? I guess it is, the Ferengi love it too.


[DSNerd]

Ferengi thought gold was worthless. They only used it as a convenient medium for holding latinum.

[/DSNerd]
 
2012-11-15 12:36:38 AM  
You know, I remember not disliking the movie, but I also don't remember finishing it. Even bad movies I usually finish. Weird.
 
2012-11-15 12:39:10 AM  
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2012-11-15 01:25:32 AM  

czetie: Also I thought that the special effects were above average. It felt like the actors and the effects shared the same physical space and were intertwined. Too often, effects-heavy movies have that "Look! Up in the sky!" vibe to them, where unremarkable things happen down on the ground while remarkable CGI happens on an entirely different plane and the two never connect -- like that notoriously badly-matted scene towards the end of Men In Black where agents J and K stand awkwardly in front of a blue-screened crashing alien ship, except extended to movie length.


Nothing wrong with the compositing in that scene.

Besides, they used MINIATURES for that crash. Not CG.

/ILM did both C&A and MIB
 
2012-11-15 01:27:09 AM  

Mugato: Englebert Slaptyback: Mugato

/and why is gold valuable everywhere in the galaxy?


It's uncommon and it's very useful in electrical applications.

It's uncommon on earth but it's also uncommon everywhere in the universe? I guess it is, the Ferengi love it too.


Nah, Ferengis like latinum. The gold itself is worthless to them. Any replicator can make gold, but without it they'd have to make change with an eyedropper.
 
2012-11-15 03:27:50 AM  

skepticultist: Tax Boy: I paid to see this movie and got exactly what was advertised.

It was full of cowboys and aliens.

THIS.

It said Cowboys and Aliens, it delivered Cowboys, Aliens and Olivia Wilde. I left satisfied.


plus4chan.org

Anybody who went to this movie expecting high-brow entertainment has wildly unrealistic expectations. If you expected a fun story with decent pacing and reasonably entertaining characters played by well-known actors, then you were a perfectly reasonable about the whole thing.
 
2012-11-15 04:01:32 AM  

buntz: I JUST watched this TODAY (while sitting in Honda's service waiting room) and I enjoyed it.

Did you think it was going to be Schindler's List? It's CALLED "Cowboys & Aliens!"


You do realize where you are, right? These people could see a movie called "Flinging Poop" and expect it to match up with Citizen Kane.
 
2012-11-15 06:38:59 AM  

Doc Batarang: Nah, Ferengis like latinum. The gold itself is worthless to them. Any replicator can make gold, but without it they'd have to make change with an eyedropper.


Then why'd they try to rob Fort Knox?
 
2012-11-15 06:40:21 AM  
Came in expecting cowboys and aliens, saw both, left getting what I expected

/still agree they dropped the ball with something with potential
 
2012-11-15 07:51:19 AM  

peterthx: czetie: Also I thought that the special effects were above average. It felt like the actors and the effects shared the same physical space and were intertwined. Too often, effects-heavy movies have that "Look! Up in the sky!" vibe to them, where unremarkable things happen down on the ground while remarkable CGI happens on an entirely different plane and the two never connect -- like that notoriously badly-matted scene towards the end of Men In Black where agents J and K stand awkwardly in front of a blue-screened crashing alien ship, except extended to movie length.

Nothing wrong with the compositing in that scene.

Besides, they used MINIATURES for that crash. Not CG.

/ILM did both C&A and MIB


I'm pretty sure you're trolling me, but I'll bite anyway. Two things.

Thing 1: Maybe my late-night grammar confused you, but what I'm pointing out about that MiB scene is that it doesn't remotely look like J and K are in the same physical space as the crashing spaceship. There's never any sense that they're standing in front of anything more than a screen, regardless of how the crash was put together.

Thing 2: If you don't think that the compositing in that scene is shiatty, I fear for you. Even the black of the night sky isn't black. And that's even without the glaring continuity error that has J & K reverse positions in the shots from the front (without spaceship) and the back (with spaceship). It's a completely dud moment in an otherwise-enjoyable movie, which makes me suspect you are trolling.
 
2012-11-15 07:54:48 AM  

czetie: I'm pretty sure you're trolling me, but I'll bite anyway. Two things.

Thing 1: Maybe my late-night grammar confused you, but what I'm pointing out about that MiB scene is that it doesn't remotely look like J and K are in the same physical space as the crashing spaceship. There's never any sense that they're standing in front of anything more than a screen, regardless of how the crash was put together.

Thing 2: If you don't think that the compositing in that scene is shiatty, I fear for you. Even the black of the night sky isn't black. And that's even without the glaring continuity error that has J & K reverse positions in the shots from the front (without spaceship) and the back (with spaceship). It's a completely dud moment in an otherwise-enjoyable movie, which makes me suspect you are trolling.


ILM certainly seems to have an A and B team.

/would work for either
 
2012-11-15 07:58:58 AM  

skepticultist: Tax Boy: I paid to see this movie and got exactly what was advertised.

It was full of cowboys and aliens.

THIS.

It said Cowboys and Aliens, it delivered Cowboys, Aliens and Olivia Wilde. I left satisfied.


Same here. It wasn't wonderful, but it wasn't too awful, either.
 
2012-11-15 08:56:48 AM  

yukichigai: skepticultist: Tax Boy: I paid to see this movie and got exactly what was advertised.

It was full of cowboys and aliens.

THIS.

It said Cowboys and Aliens, it delivered Cowboys, Aliens and Olivia Wilde. I left satisfied.

[plus4chan.org image 201x201]

Anybody who went to this movie expecting high-brow entertainment has wildly unrealistic expectations. If you expected a fun story with decent pacing and reasonably entertaining characters played by well-known actors, then you were a perfectly reasonable about the whole thing.



I just went expecting to be entertained and instead ended up bored out of my skull. I found myself making a mental grocery list for after the movie during one of the action sequences. Lente nailed it noting that they somehow managed to make a dull, self-important movie with the title Cowboys & Aliens. It should have been deliriously fun and wasn't.
 
2012-11-15 09:06:13 AM  
I found it entertaining enough. Then again I just saw John Carter this weekend on tv as well and didn't hate it. Somehow JC managed to shoe horn in most of the SW movies in to one.
 
2012-11-15 09:23:55 AM  

Mugato: Doc Batarang: Nah, Ferengis like latinum. The gold itself is worthless to them. Any replicator can make gold, but without it they'd have to make change with an eyedropper.

Then why'd they try to rob Fort Knox?


In the 23rd century, people were are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of material possessions and sought to improve themselves for the enrichment and betterment of all.

So, probably art for art's sake.
 
2012-11-15 09:29:33 AM  
meh. I tried to watch the film. made it about 45 minutes, maybe an hour and turned it off. It just couldn't hold my attention.

/am I the only one that thinks Harrson Ford's character could have been completely edited out and it wouldn't have changed the movie at all?
 
2012-11-15 09:32:07 AM  
COWBOYS & ALIENS did have one notable thing about it (apart from Olivia Wilde): it spawned an
awful lot of cosplay of Daniel Craig's character with the alien arm gun thingy for months before it came
out.

Though, tellingly, once it did come out such costumes disappeared rather quickly.
 
2012-11-15 10:47:35 AM  
At one point I said to myself, "this is stupid." Then I realized it had the word "aliens" in the title, and I got the fark over it.

Enjoyably flick.
 
2012-11-15 11:41:35 AM  

ConConHead: I feel like the only person in the world (other than Mr ConCon) who liked that movie.


You are not alone.
/saw it twice
 
2012-11-15 04:23:24 PM  
*sigh* Cowboys and aliens needed tits and two fark scenes, one with the dead wife and one with the alien chick who was after the beings who shot her pa.
 
2012-11-15 05:36:03 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: two fark scenes, one with the dead wife


EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
 
2012-11-16 12:06:03 AM  

czetie: Thing 1: Maybe my late-night grammar confused you, but what I'm pointing out about that MiB scene is that it doesn't remotely look like J and K are in the same physical space as the crashing spaceship. There's never any sense that they're standing in front of anything more than a screen, regardless of how the crash was put together.


OK. I just watched the scene again, on the BLU-RAY mind you, and the compositing is not bad for 1997. Mind you the video transfer gamma level is a little on the bright side so bluescreened objects tend to contrast differently: that's the same reason you see garbage mattes (the grey boxes) around ships in things like STAR WARS on video...the higher contrast of video. Theatrically this is not an issue.

Thing 2: If you don't think that the compositing in that scene is shiatty, I fear for you. Even the black of the night sky isn't black. And that's even without the glaring continuity error that has J & K reverse positions in the shots from the front (without spaceship) and the back (with spaceship). It's a completely dud moment in an otherwise-enjoyable movie, which makes me suspect you are trolling.

The night sky isn't black because that area, the World's Fairgrounds where Shea Stadium used to be (now CitiField) is incredibly lit up at night and the sky is nowhere near black in reality. Of course I lived 20 minutes from there in the 1980s, did you? Took the Q13 bus to the 7 train Flushing Station. You can also see bright lamps and other lighting in the shot. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. Continuity wise when they fire the guns they are on opposite sides but you can see them turning as they watch the ship fall from the sky, indicating the ship went completely around and they were facing the opposite way after they fired the guns.

You call it trolling, life calls it reality. Deal with it.
 
2012-11-16 01:17:43 AM  
A pal of mine worked on this...film. He said the crew was in a permanent state of facepalm the whole time.
 
2012-11-16 02:02:30 AM  

Thunderboy: A pal of mine worked on this...film. He said the crew was in a permanent state of facepalm the whole time.


epicyearproject.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-16 02:07:18 AM  

peterthx: Thunderboy: A pal of mine worked on this...film. He said the crew was in a permanent state of facepalm the whole time.

[epicyearproject.files.wordpress.com image 414x389]


images.wikia.com
 
2012-11-16 01:01:51 PM  

peterthx: czetie: Thing 1: Maybe my late-night grammar confused you, but what I'm pointing out about that MiB scene is that it doesn't remotely look like J and K are in the same physical space as the crashing spaceship. There's never any sense that they're standing in front of anything more than a screen, regardless of how the crash was put together.

OK. I just watched the scene again, on the BLU-RAY mind you, and the compositing is not bad for 1997. Mind you the video transfer gamma level is a little on the bright side so bluescreened objects tend to contrast differently: that's the same reason you see garbage mattes (the grey boxes) around ships in things like STAR WARS on video...the higher contrast of video. Theatrically this is not an issue.

Thing 2: If you don't think that the compositing in that scene is shiatty, I fear for you. Even the black of the night sky isn't black. And that's even without the glaring continuity error that has J & K reverse positions in the shots from the front (without spaceship) and the back (with spaceship). It's a completely dud moment in an otherwise-enjoyable movie, which makes me suspect you are trolling.

The night sky isn't black because that area, the World's Fairgrounds where Shea Stadium used to be (now CitiField) is incredibly lit up at night and the sky is nowhere near black in reality. Of course I lived 20 minutes from there in the 1980s, did you? Took the Q13 bus to the 7 train Flushing Station. You can also see bright lamps and other lighting in the shot. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. Continuity wise when they fire the guns they are on opposite sides but you can see them turning as they watch the ship fall from the sky, indicating the ship went completely around and they were facing the opposite way after they fired the guns.

You call it trolling, life calls it reality. Deal with it.


Um, no. And no. The sky is lit completely differently in the composited shots vs. non-composited, even looking at the same area. I'm sorry you can't see that, but it's very obviously there.

And again, on the continuity, you're missing the point. Before they turn around, while the ship is still approaching them, there are shots from behind them, showing the (composited) spaceship coming towards them. Then there are shots from the front showing their expressions (Jones stony faced, Smith increasingly worried). In those shots their positions are reversed. The continuity error is so obvious it's even in IMDB.

I call it paying attention. Deal with it.
 
2012-11-16 01:32:34 PM  

czetie: Um, no. And no. The sky is lit completely differently in the composited shots vs. non-composited, even looking at the same area. I'm sorry you can't see that, but it's very obviously there.

And again, on the continuity, you're missing the point. Before they turn around, while the ship is still approaching them, there are shots from behind them, showing the (composited) spaceship coming towards them. Then there are shots from the front showing their expressions (Jones stony faced, Smith increasingly worried). In those shots their positions are reversed. The continuity error is so obvious it's even in IMDB.


The shots are NOT reversed. Smith keeps looking nervously to his left - exactly where Tommy Lee Jones is.

IMDB is so often wrong it's funny.

The sky lighting is not lit incorrectly, in fact the screen darkens like it should when the ship kicks up the dirt cloud and blocks the lights in the rear of the shot. Calibrate your TV.
 
2012-11-16 02:27:27 PM  

peterthx: czetie: Um, no. And no. The sky is lit completely differently in the composited shots vs. non-composited, even looking at the same area. I'm sorry you can't see that, but it's very obviously there.

And again, on the continuity, you're missing the point. Before they turn around, while the ship is still approaching them, there are shots from behind them, showing the (composited) spaceship coming towards them. Then there are shots from the front showing their expressions (Jones stony faced, Smith increasingly worried). In those shots their positions are reversed. The continuity error is so obvious it's even in IMDB.

The shots are NOT reversed. Smith keeps looking nervously to his left - exactly where Tommy Lee Jones is.

IMDB is so often wrong it's funny.

The sky lighting is not lit incorrectly, in fact the screen darkens like it should when the ship kicks up the dirt cloud and blocks the lights in the rear of the shot. Calibrate your TV.



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