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(CNN)   Thank you for your service, General Ward, now please pay us back the $82,000 you spent on lavish shopping trips and beachfront vacations. We will also be confiscating that Denzel Washington autograph   (news.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 107
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2012-11-14 07:01:10 PM  
I don't have the money, I gave it to Denzel, go get it from him!
 
2012-11-14 07:02:22 PM  

mongbiohazard: So apparently what we'really learning this week is that the upper echelons of our military industrial complex are inundated with some folks who act like they're on a reality show.
I've met quite a few admirals and generals through my work, and they usually seem like pretty awesome dudes... there's a few I've met that I'd hate to think were actually like this. But IIRC we've been promoting a lot more folks up to those ranks than we used to...


The LEAST surprising thing about the Petraeus affair was that they were both West Point grads. They tend to think they're above it all.
 
2012-11-14 07:06:10 PM  
Is this the $82,000 hammer?
 
2012-11-14 07:08:56 PM  
A black general earning 2xx,xxx a year is in charge of the 'Africa Command'.

The black part I can see. Africa. Black. Makes sense.

What I can't see is "Why do we even have an Africa Command?"

When I read the charges against him - excessive expenses, wife goes everywhere with him, _5_ car motorcades through DC, excessively expensive hotels - I'm thinking "What do you expect? He's black. You ever seen a black boxer or entertainer with his 'entourage'?"

/Not proud of that last thought
//Know full well that it's the exception
///I hope
 
2012-11-14 07:09:14 PM  
Damned Republican general got what he had coming
 
2012-11-14 07:10:06 PM  
will lose one star and retire as a lieutenant general,

What kind of bullshiat is that? Stealing tens of thousands of dollars warrants a dishonorable discharge and no retirement. F this guy.
 
2012-11-14 07:11:14 PM  
By the way there is a simple solution. Bush II wanted his Sec of Def, to be accessible at all times hence the military flights. Although that is not technically what is called for. a secure I phone on a commercial flight works just as well. Obama has kept that requirement even though the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are either over or winding down. The president can rescind W's edict and bring some economic restraint into play.

Even under the rules Bush set up Panetta should be paying a lot more money than he has. Its one thing during a war or national emergency for him to fly like that but if your going to ever hope to shrink the size of government you have to set a good example.
 
2012-11-14 07:11:16 PM  

Delawheredad: Bhruic

If you had bothered to read the article. Panetta's military flights at the time the article was published had already cost over $800,000 dollars. Panetta is flying UNSCHEDULED military flights to California every week.His flights cost more than first class commercial flights.


I don't care wtf the article says, I care what you say. If he's not flying first class, you shouldn't be claiming he's flying first class. Furthermore, if his flights in total have cost $860,000 over a 4 month period, claiming that each flight costs "millions of dollars" - your exact words - makes you look like raving lunatic. If you can't stick to facts, your opinion on a subject is less relevant than what I just flushed down the toilet.
 
2012-11-14 07:12:17 PM  

ZAZ: Ward will retire at the lower rank, and consequently a lower pay grade.

Reminds me of when Admiral Poindexter wanted to retire at his temporary higher rank. He just needed the routine formality of Senate confirmation of his promotion.


OH the humanity!
He'll only get $208,802 per year instead of $236,650.
/$17,400 per month instead of $19,720 per month.
 
2012-11-14 07:14:33 PM  

ltdanman44: [www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]

Is this is someone's unilateral wet dream?

/obscure?


No. And just like in the movie, it's just an RTO and nothing to see here folks. Just some rogue gubmint types...keep moving...
 
2012-11-14 07:14:52 PM  

dofus: /Not proud of that last thought
//Know full well that it's the exception
///I hope


Don't worry, I'm sure black people have a fully-staffed Command Center that exists just to address your concerns and lingering stereotypes.
 
2012-11-14 07:14:52 PM  
The General is Near!
 
2012-11-14 07:15:36 PM  

topcon: will lose one star and retire as a lieutenant general,

What kind of bullshiat is that? Stealing tens of thousands of dollars warrants a dishonorable discharge and no retirement. F this guy.


Perhaps you didn't see the picture of this guy, and then go back and read some of Eric Holder's deicisions.
 
2012-11-14 07:15:51 PM  
It's hard to say what the actual cost of Panetta's flights is, since the pilots need to get time in the air anyway and most of the staff involved is already being paid their military salary - it is not like the gubmint has to go out and rent planes and pilots. Certainly there is tons of waste there. But vacations and shopping trips under the guise of military business are utterly ridiculous. It is often difficult to prove without an extremely close examination how money is being spent in increments of 100s and 1000s of $. These people are supposed to be protecting American assets but really they are just taking freebies like the slovenly bunch of welfare queens they are. If they had honor, they would be guarding public funds like their own bank accounts. But gubmint and military have become business just like any other business, with expense accounts and paid perks, with no real reward for reigning in spending.
 
2012-11-14 07:18:34 PM  
This guy could run for congress or mayor in any number of places and win easily.
 
2012-11-14 07:18:41 PM  

BoxOfBees: It's hard to say what the actual cost of Panetta's flights is, since the pilots need to get time in the air anyway and most of the staff involved is already being paid their military salary - it is not like the gubmint has to go out and rent planes and pilots. Certainly there is tons of waste there. But vacations and shopping trips under the guise of military business are utterly ridiculous. It is often difficult to prove without an extremely close examination how money is being spent in increments of 100s and 1000s of $. These people are supposed to be protecting American assets but really they are just taking freebies like the slovenly bunch of welfare queens they are. If they had honor, they would be guarding public funds like their own bank accounts. But gubmint and military have become business just like any other business, with expense accounts and paid perks, with no real reward for reigning in spending.


Um,

Check the budgets.

For the last decades.

Where do you think the money goes?

Have you seen a modernly-equipped soldier?

MTF.

And yes, the American people have been kind with their allowances...

*)
 
2012-11-14 07:19:30 PM  
Bhuric

Read the damn article! Not expecting hyperbole on Fark is like thinking that you have a chance with Angelina Jolie!

If you read the damn article you will learn that he often flies a spiffy plane similar to the ones that ferry rock stars around. If that's NOT first class I don't know what is.

So yes his flights ARE costing millions and are unnecessary.

There is no reason why he can't be flying commercial.
 
2012-11-14 07:19:40 PM  

Madbassist1: mongbiohazard: Madbassist1: Delawheredad: AirForceVet

To quote article "Panetta says he "regretted" the cost to taxpayers"

BUT OF COURSE the trips continue and of COURSE he is not paying for them himself

Link

Sorry you dont have the skill set needed to qualify for a job like that...some of us do.

I do furnished housing for a living and I've seen more than my share of government waste over the years. Like guys from the Army staying in short term housing at $5k - $6k per month for 4, 5 years running on the taxpayer dime. They should just move them to the area, but instead they often just keep paying for them to have "temp" housing here.

Which is great for my company and all, but just seems extremely inefficient.

I want to make a point here that I am NOT saying the gov. isnt wasteful, or that panetta is a saint. All I am saying is that it isnt unusual for comped flights and living expenses to be included in a job offer. Its actually fairly common, I believe.


I travel every other week for my job, comped by the company. I am in sales and my job generates revenue far exceeding my cost. Quite common to come across others doing the same as I travel. Haters gonna hate.
 
2012-11-14 07:23:12 PM  

Delawheredad: Bhuric

Read the damn article! Not expecting hyperbole on Fark is like thinking that you have a chance with Angelina Jolie!

If you read the damn article you will learn that he often flies a spiffy plane similar to the ones that ferry rock stars around. If that's NOT first class I don't know what is.

So yes his flights ARE costing millions and are unnecessary.

There is no reason why he can't be flying commercial.


How awesome would it be to sit next to the DoDOD?

Here's how the conversation goes in my mind:

Me: "Holy crap, sir, I am in awe of you. You have a job I would never want."

Him:
 
2012-11-14 07:23:27 PM  

Delawheredad: Madbassist

Would you not agree that since this general is being demoted because he misappropriated plane flights and wasted government money that his boss ought to either pay for his flights or fly commercial or perhaps resign honorably?
Why should Panetta keep his job for doing EXACTLY what one of his generals is doing?


It's not the flights that are causing the problems here, for anybody who bothers to read the (woefully deficient) article. It's the extracurricular shopping sprees wifey was going on and the "lavish beachside" trip wife and general took. I'm guessing that what may be going on here, once things shake out, is that Mrs. Four Star General was using the State Department credit card for a few side trips to Nairobi and Cairo and loading up on some nice trinkets for her relatives back in the states. Of course, that's just speculation on my part.

Flying around on the taxpayer dime is one thing. Taking your wife to the mall is something else entirely, and chances are the General got a few opportunities to stop doing it and didn't take them.
 
2012-11-14 07:29:49 PM  

Delawheredad: Bhuric

Read the damn article! Not expecting hyperbole on Fark is like thinking that you have a chance with Angelina Jolie!

If you read the damn article you will learn that he often flies a spiffy plane similar to the ones that ferry rock stars around. If that's NOT first class I don't know what is.

So yes his flights ARE costing millions and are unnecessary.

There is no reason why he can't be flying commercial.


Ok, so you are, in fact, just making up your own facts as you go along. Noted and ignored.
 
2012-11-14 07:33:55 PM  

Delawheredad: Bhruic

If you had bothered to read the article. Panetta's military flights at the time the article was published had already cost over $800,000 dollars. Panetta is flying UNSCHEDULED military flights to California every week.His flights cost more than first class commercial flights.

He is doing the same /b> thing this general got busted for and has vowed to keep doing it.


Fark off and shut up douchebag!

As others have pointed out, this guy is more important than you and this bothers you a lot. No one needs to reach YOU at a moments notice regarding matters of National Security but SECDEF DOES need to be available. He isn't a farkin milk deliverer or insurance salesman, or whatever the fark you are, he runs the NATIONAL DEFENSE!

/OMG!! The SECDEF is allowed to go home at the taxpayers expense! OMG!! He doesn't fly commercial!

//Your party lost....so did mine actually...get the fark over it and shut the fark UP!

///Life goes on...same as it ever was
 
2012-11-14 07:36:27 PM  

Delawheredad: Madbassist

i doubt that you are flying home on the taxpayers dime. There is nothing wrong with commuting home on the weekends but he should be paying for it himself like EVERYONE ELSE!


I bet the cost for flying him home reguarly is well in excess of his pay. He is # 2 in the National Command Authority, and his necessary entourage (comms, PSD) is probably quite large.
 
2012-11-14 07:39:26 PM  

Delawheredad: Your comped flights are paid for by the airline or someone else somewhere along the line. You are not flying military planes at taxpayer expense.



Oh for the love of...where the fark do you think airlines get the money for those flights? CUSTOMERS (aka taxpayers) you blithering moron!
 
2012-11-14 07:41:26 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Delawheredad: Madbassist

Would you not agree that since this general is being demoted because he misappropriated plane flights and wasted government money that his boss ought to either pay for his flights or fly commercial or perhaps resign honorably?
Why should Panetta keep his job for doing EXACTLY what one of his generals is doing?

It's not the flights that are causing the problems here, for anybody who bothers to read the (woefully deficient) article. It's the extracurricular shopping sprees wifey was going on and the "lavish beachside" trip wife and general took. I'm guessing that what may be going on here, once things shake out, is that Mrs. Four Star General was using the State Department credit card for a few side trips to Nairobi and Cairo and loading up on some nice trinkets for her relatives back in the states. Of course, that's just speculation on my part.

Flying around on the taxpayer dime is one thing. Taking your wife to the mall is something else entirely, and chances are the General got a few opportunities to stop doing it and didn't take them.


Um,
 
2012-11-14 07:42:11 PM  

Kanemano: Looks like we have too many Generals, time to thin the herd



Link


We've had too many g'damn officers since at LEAST the end of WWII, which would be fine if they were GOOD, but they're not.


Our military doesn't create officers that are leaders or warriors, our military creates officers that are "yes" men. That's why we haven't won anything worth winning since the end of WWII.
 
2012-11-14 07:45:45 PM  

Goetz: His retirement pay will be at highest rank held.


Not according to 10 U.S.C. § 1406. His pay will be calculated based on his retired grade.
 
2012-11-14 07:47:14 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: Kanemano: Looks like we have too many Generals, time to thin the herd



Link

We've had too many g'damn officers since at LEAST the end of WWII, which would be fine if they were GOOD, but they're not.


Our military doesn't create officers that are leaders or warriors, our military creates officers that are "yes" men. That's why we haven't won anything worth winning since the end of WWII.


Welcome to the World.

Let's change it.
 
2012-11-14 07:48:47 PM  

Goetz: ZAZ: Ward will retire at the lower rank, and consequently a lower pay grade.

Reminds me of when Admiral Poindexter wanted to retire at his temporary higher rank. He just needed the routine formality of Senate confirmation of his promotion.

His retirement pay will be at highest rank held.


TFA implies otherwise, as do other sources.

"Retiring as a three-star general will cost Ward about $30,000 a year in retirement pay, giving him close to $208,802 a year rather than the $236,650 he would receive as a four-star general."

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?&pageType=general&catid=57549 5 63&feed_id=999&videofeed=999&nb_splitPage=2
 
2012-11-14 07:51:23 PM  

dofus: What I can't see is "Why do we even have an Africa Command?"


Are you... are you serious?
 
2012-11-14 07:52:14 PM  
Travelling for work is the worst thing ever, I hate it, and would actively avoid any job that required me to do so once again. I pity anyone that has to travel for work, and I suspect anyone that enjoys it must be single or having affairs to make it worthwhile. I would require a minimum $50,000 annual premium on top of a reasonable base salary to even consider work like that again, and going home after work and avoiding hotels and airports is worth easily $50,000 a year to me in sanity and stress reduction.
 
2012-11-14 07:53:35 PM  

Indubitably: Hagenhatesyouall: Kanemano: Looks like we have too many Generals, time to thin the herd



Link

We've had too many g'damn officers since at LEAST the end of WWII, which would be fine if they were GOOD, but they're not.


Our military doesn't create officers that are leaders or warriors, our military creates officers that are "yes" men. That's why we haven't won anything worth winning since the end of WWII.

Welcome to the World.

Let's change it.


Already fought that fight.

Lost.
 
2012-11-14 07:57:03 PM  
Looks like our 4 star general is the equivalent of al-Qaeda #2. Every time one goes down two new ones pop up. Kinda like whack-a-mole.
 
2012-11-14 07:57:39 PM  
Ward will retire at the lower rank, and consequently a lower pay grade. Retirement pay varies widely depending on years of service, but many four-star generals receive well over $100,000 a year.

Retirement is paid at the highest rank held so failed colonels who get passed over 3 times for promotion to general serve out their time as 4 stripe sergeants secure in the knowledge they'll be pulling down colonel grade retirement. In other words it's a meaningless gesture by pooba Panetta. If anybody else, say of a lower rank, had made off with $82,000 they'd be spending the first 20 years of their retirement in Leavenworth.

DIFFERENT SPANKS FOR DIFFERENT RANKS
 
2012-11-14 07:57:55 PM  
Does the asshattery arrive before or after the brass hat?
 
2012-11-14 08:02:23 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: Indubitably: Hagenhatesyouall: Kanemano: Looks like we have too many Generals, time to thin the herd



Link

We've had too many g'damn officers since at LEAST the end of WWII, which would be fine if they were GOOD, but they're not.


Our military doesn't create officers that are leaders or warriors, our military creates officers that are "yes" men. That's why we haven't won anything worth winning since the end of WWII.

Welcome to the World.

Let's change it.

Already fought that fight.

Lost.


Right.

So, retool.

Work with your partners in crime...

Heh.

I am funny, and I don't need you to tell me that. Think about that for a moment...
 
2012-11-14 08:03:18 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: Kanemano: Looks like we have too many Generals, time to thin the herd



Link

We've had too many g'damn officers since at LEAST the end of WWII, which would be fine if they were GOOD, but they're not.


Our military doesn't create officers that are leaders or warriors, our military creates officers that are "yes" men. That's why we haven't won anything worth winning since the end of WWII.


Link


I need to get that book.
 
2012-11-14 08:03:21 PM  

wambu: Does the asshattery arrive before or after the brass hat?


AND tacks, mind you.

*)
 
2012-11-14 08:03:41 PM  

Delawheredad: Bhuric

Read the damn article! Not expecting hyperbole on Fark is like thinking that you have a chance with Angelina Jolie!

If you read the damn article you will learn that he often flies a spiffy plane similar to the ones that ferry rock stars around. If that's NOT first class I don't know what is.

So yes his flights ARE costing millions and are unnecessary.

There is no reason why he can't be flying commercial.


/if you had read the article you would have learned he is not allowed to fly commercial. He used to at his own expense until he got that job.
 
2012-11-14 08:30:13 PM  
Kanemano: Looks like we have too many Generals, time to thin the herd Link

Excellent link. I figured something like this was going on. Living in northwest Florida and we have an awful lot of retired generals and admirals living down here, always have. I have noticed a difference in the quality of these men; the generals that are 80 and older were all real smart guys; a little arrogant perhaps but very civic minded--most of them did some kind of volunteer work, mostly to help ex service people--and I found them honest and fair in their dealings. The newer generals and admirals are definitely not the same quality of men. They don't seem to be as intelligent, if they do volunteer work at all they are notable for spending too much money and taking credit for work done by others. They make a lot of demands on the military bases for their hobbies--golf, skeet shooting, yacht clubs etc. and expect special treatment everywhere they go.

And the main thing is that they are not as honest as the previous generation of generals and admirals. Most of those old guys were real straight shooters: they said what they meant and meant what they said. The newer generals and admirals all seem to be big bullsh*t guys--you can't get a straight answer out of any of them, and they are very slick at the "who are you and what are your qualifications" game when you catch them making mistakes and ask pointed questions about them. From that article it appears that a lot of these generals would never have made general years ago--which explains a whole lot to me.
 
2012-11-14 08:36:00 PM  

dofus: What I can't see is "Why do we even have an Africa Command?"


The next war we fight is likely to be somewhere in Africa. Mali is the current front-runner.
 
2012-11-14 08:41:19 PM  

Cybernetic: dofus: What I can't see is "Why do we even have an Africa Command?"

The next war we fight is likely to be somewhere in Africa. Mali is the current front-runner.


Yeah.

THE continent.

*phew*

*)
 
2012-11-14 09:09:57 PM  

Goetz: ZAZ: Ward will retire at the lower rank, and consequently a lower pay grade.

Reminds me of when Admiral Poindexter wanted to retire at his temporary higher rank. He just needed the routine formality of Senate confirmation of his promotion.

His retirement pay will be at highest rank held.


Not according to everything I have read. He's gonna lose about $30,000 a year in pension $. How he will survive on $200k+ and speaking fees and consulting for Raytheon or whomever for a paltry additional sum in the hundreds of thousands per year, I do not know.

Poor guy. I feel the sorries for him.
 
2012-11-14 09:52:23 PM  

LegacyDL: Okay, I'm not anti-Obama like most of the local crazy farkers in the politics tab, but is it just me or is it just odd that all of this drama is going down right after the President's re-election?


The right-wing histrionics are going to be in an upswing until either they calm down (get over it) or get back on their meds.
 
2012-11-14 09:54:28 PM  

Delawheredad: Bhruic

If you had bothered to read the article. Panetta's military flights at the time the article was published had already cost over $800,000 dollars. Panetta is flying UNSCHEDULED military flights to California every week.His flights cost more than first class commercial flights.

He is doing the same /b> thing this general got busted for and has vowed to keep doing it.


Panetta is required to fly in military aircraft by government regulation. He is barred from commercial travel due to his position. Since the trip is unofficial travel he must reimburse the government the cost of a commercial ticket. Which he does. See DoD Directive 4500.56, "DoD Policy on the Use of Government Aircraft and Air Travel," April 14, 2009

Congress has the power to change it but I think it is a bad idea. An office like that requires the secretary to be immediately reached by the president and vice versa. If we are attacked how will the public respond to, "well, I was in coach and couldn't use my cell phone."

There is more to this than dolla dolla bills, yo.
 
2012-11-14 09:57:57 PM  

CPT.Goodlaw: Delawheredad: Bhruic

If you had bothered to read the article. Panetta's military flights at the time the article was published had already cost over $800,000 dollars. Panetta is flying UNSCHEDULED military flights to California every week.His flights cost more than first class commercial flights.

He is doing the same /b> thing this general got busted for and has vowed to keep doing it.

Panetta is required to fly in military aircraft by government regulation. He is barred from commercial travel due to his position. Since the trip is unofficial travel he must reimburse the government the cost of a commercial ticket. Which he does. See DoD Directive 4500.56, "DoD Policy on the Use of Government Aircraft and Air Travel," April 14, 2009

Congress has the power to change it but I think it is a bad idea. An office like that requires the secretary to be immediately reached by the president and vice versa. If we are attacked how will the public respond to, "well, I was in coach and couldn't use my cell phone."

There is more to this than dolla dolla bills, yo.


And because people think that government spending done exactly the same way as their household spending and budgeting. That's part of why I want to smack people when I hear them braying on about the "debt ceiling".
 
2012-11-14 10:21:32 PM  
I've worked for both Ward and Petraeus. It's been a bad few weeks for my former bosses.

FWIW, I hated the way Ward said, "Tropic Lightning!" Outside of that, nice guy.
 
2012-11-14 10:31:29 PM  

undernova: I've worked for both Ward and Petraeus. It's been a bad few weeks for my former bosses.

FWIW, I hated the way Ward said, "Tropic Lightning!" Outside of that, nice guy.


Interesting. Can you tell us more, or is there a third party on the line?
 
2012-11-14 10:43:27 PM  

Delawheredad: AirForceVet

To quote article "Panetta says he "regretted" the cost to taxpayers"

BUT OF COURSE the trips continue and of COURSE he is not paying for them himself

Link


From Your Given Link: Under government rules established by President George W. Bush, the defense secretary is required to fly on military aircraft, which are outfitted with secure communication links to the White House and Pentagon.

Under the same rules, Panetta must reimburse the government for what it would cost for a round-trip commercial flight to the same destination - usually a fraction of the expense of operating a military plane.

The Associated Press reported this month that Panetta had reimbursed the government about $17,000 for 27 personal trips since becoming Pentagon chief. The AP calculated that the expense of operating Panetta's military aircraft - usually an Air Force C-37A - totaled about $860,000 for those trips.


So Delawheredad, WTF is your point, dude?
 
2012-11-14 11:09:14 PM  
Dear DoD,

May we also get the Pentagon's missing $3 trilliom back?

No?

Ok, just asking.

Sincerely,

Your Biatch, the Tax Payers.
 
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