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2012-11-14 01:40:50 PM  
So much for eating my lunch...
 
2012-11-14 01:41:00 PM  
This is not a repeat over the past few decades.
 
2012-11-14 01:41:45 PM  
Aw shiat, the middle east is going full retard again.
 
2012-11-14 01:42:13 PM  
www.avbbf.com
 
2012-11-14 01:42:16 PM  
Ah, was wondering how long after the election it would be before we saw some shiat go down over there.
 
2012-11-14 01:42:19 PM  
And Here.
we.
Go.
 
2012-11-14 01:42:38 PM  
why can't these people grow the fark up?

really, is your invisible sky fairy worth all this?
 
2012-11-14 01:42:49 PM  
It's on.
 
2012-11-14 01:43:01 PM  
Oh, this is going to end well.
 
2012-11-14 01:43:03 PM  
RELIGION OF PEACE
 
2012-11-14 01:43:36 PM  
Please don't do this.

Just... really... knock it off,

Nothing good shall come of this.

Please?
 
2012-11-14 01:43:47 PM  
So, they seem to be attacking sites that are being used a storage or launch sites for missiles that Hamas uses to attack them.

Problem?
 
2012-11-14 01:43:51 PM  
That's not very nice. And to think that I just sent them a box of food.
 
2012-11-14 01:43:54 PM  
Hamas is learning that when you open fire, people tend to return fire.
 
2012-11-14 01:44:04 PM  
This should end well
 
2012-11-14 01:44:12 PM  
Translation: "Damnit, Romney lost, time to stir the pot!"
 
2012-11-14 01:44:12 PM  
Israelis don't like hummus?

/mind you, neither do I
 
2012-11-14 01:44:15 PM  
November Reprise.
 
2012-11-14 01:44:22 PM  
www.dreamwidth.org
 
2012-11-14 01:44:30 PM  
jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-14 01:44:38 PM  
Is this what constitutes "passive aggression" on the part of the Israeli right wing?:

"Crap, Obama won re-election and won't let us attack Iran. Now what the fark are we going to do?"

*Kicks Palestine*
 
2012-11-14 01:44:59 PM  
Oh good. A bunch of people who think a magic sky man gave them a chunk of desert in the middle of someone else's property are going to go beat the shiat out of a bunch of people who think the appropriate response to losing their land is to blow up buses and pizzerias full of innocent people who largely had nothing to do with it.

fc02.deviantart.net
/hot like the fires of hell all these people can go burn in
 
2012-11-14 01:45:14 PM  

willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE


Wait.... which one?
 
2012-11-14 01:45:19 PM  
Maybe it's time to stop giving these people money with which to play war games.
 
2012-11-14 01:45:52 PM  
Hark! The sound of neocon weiners inflating!
 
2012-11-14 01:46:01 PM  

willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE


It seems a bit unfair to blame Judaism for Israel's invasion, attacks on Palestine and piracy in international waters of aid ships to the Gaza Strip.
 
2012-11-14 01:46:12 PM  

wippit: willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE

Wait.... which one?


Whichever. They're all pretty much equally dumb.
 
2012-11-14 01:46:15 PM  
This comes after the head of Hamas' military wing Ahmed Jabari was killed in an Israeli airstrike.


Unreal. Nobody on earth seems to have military intel like the IDF.
 
2012-11-14 01:47:12 PM  
Can we please stay out of this one and let them beat the shiat out of each other, please?
 
2012-11-14 01:47:51 PM  
Some days, you actually start to believe the world would be a better place if only the zombie apocalypse would start.

/hear our prayer, T-Dog
 
2012-11-14 01:47:55 PM  

Great_Milenko: why can't these people grow the fark up?

really, is your invisible sky fairy worth all this?


youmustbenewhere.jpg
ohwaityoureserious.jpg
mygodhasabiggerdickthanyourgod.jpg
thisecalatedquickly.jpg

In a hurry, can't link right now. Use your imagination. Pick one.
 
2012-11-14 01:48:34 PM  
*sigh* I don't suppose this will settle down and we just have a girls of IDF thread or something?

/ No? Egh. Fine.
 
2012-11-14 01:48:38 PM  
Well, I was wondering how we'd manage to end things in just 27 days.
 
2012-11-14 01:48:48 PM  

wippit: willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE

Wait.... which one?


Um
.. all of em, any of em that, um
 
2012-11-14 01:48:54 PM  
This is bad news, for Hamas
 
2012-11-14 01:49:46 PM  

This is for BOTH sides:

diagoras.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-14 01:49:55 PM  

Deoan: Well, I was wondering how we'd manage to end things in just 27 days.


lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-11-14 01:50:12 PM  
one side of this fight can aim its missiles

won't matter. as always there will be no winner
 
2012-11-14 01:50:18 PM  

BigNumber12: This comes after the head of Hamas' military wing Ahmed Jabari was killed in an Israeli airstrike.


Unreal. Nobody on earth seems to have military intel like the IDF.


It helps when you control all transportation and communication networks in and around the territory in which your enemies live.

/also seconding the thought that Israel is pissed that Obama won
 
2012-11-14 01:50:22 PM  
I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.
 
2012-11-14 01:51:07 PM  
Israel started this one. Airstrikes and killing military leaders = not good, and going to end in retaliation.

*sigh* Can we just sever all ties with everyone in the Middle East, Israel included? It's like having a little brother who knows you can kick ass, and insists on starting shiat with their classmates cuz they know you'll defend them.
 
2012-11-14 01:51:08 PM  

willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE


Funny enough from the standpoint of the history of human society, the point at which religion goes from worshiping feminine nature-based figures to revering male deities is typically shortly after you've seen the move from roaming, hunting and gathering societies that depend a lot on luck to survive (finding food, no ill turns in the weather which push herds away from their typical gathering places, and s on) to agrarian societies that don't move around much and whose survival depends largely on having big stockpiles of stuff.

Stuff you can take by force.

Then it's handy to make God a man 'cause, yanno, war's a man's game and all. All the Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity, Islam, and yes, Judaism)share more or less the same male deity, soooo.... you get this.
 
2012-11-14 01:51:45 PM  
It will end in another Middle East Cease-Fire
The moment Israel ceases, Hamas fires
 
2012-11-14 01:51:56 PM  
So, how many 5 years old terrorist have they gotten so far?

Get your checkbook ready US citizens. White phosphorous ain't cheap.
 
2012-11-14 01:52:04 PM  
Every country has a right to defend their citizens.

Targeted Air strikes are actually a better response than lobbing trios or missiles.
 
2012-11-14 01:52:14 PM  
That's a nice car for a shiaty place. Bad idea.
 
2012-11-14 01:52:33 PM  
Nice car.

/it was
 
2012-11-14 01:52:43 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Hamas is learning that when you open fire, people tend to return fire.


With white phosphorus.
 
2012-11-14 01:53:13 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: Maybe it's time to stop giving these people money with which to play war games.


Thank-you, yes, please, let's end all military aid and weapons sales to all other countries including Israel. I include weapons sales because all too often weapons sales involve weapons manufacturer seeking market growth identifies ABC country as potential customers. After some lobbying, grants or loans, funded by taxpayer money, are forwarded to ABC country. ABC country then purchases weapons. Yeah, how 'bout NO.
 
2012-11-14 01:53:38 PM  
Have you seen the patch of shiat that these diacks are fighting over? Full retards on both sides of this one.

\cue the IDF chick pictures 'cause that's the ONLY good thing that has ever come out of this conflict.
 
2012-11-14 01:53:53 PM  
The great thing about the IDF and Hamas is they both save costs by sharing the same spokesman

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-14 01:54:09 PM  
Have all the anti semite FARKer shown up here yet?
 
2012-11-14 01:54:12 PM  

xaks: Great_Milenko: why can't these people grow the fark up?

really, is your invisible sky fairy worth all this?

youmustbenewhere.jpg
ohwaityoureserious.jpg
mygodhasabiggerdickthanyourgod.jpg
thisecalatedquickly.jpg

In a hurry, can't link right now. Use your imagination. Pick one.


I'm intrigued by the "God's dick" one. Haven't seen that before, seeing as I was never an altar boy.
 
2012-11-14 01:54:21 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Hamas is learning that when you open fire, people tend to return fire.


Is Anthony Bourdain in Gaza again?
 
2012-11-14 01:54:23 PM  

BigNumber12: This comes after the head of Hamas' military wing Ahmed Jabari was killed in an Israeli airstrike.


Unreal. Nobody on earth seems to have military intel like the IDF.


No sh*t, they almost always hit exactly the one car they were looking for. Why doesn't Hamas just start taking the bus?
 
2012-11-14 01:54:32 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Hamas is learning that when you open fire, people tend to return fire.


They've known this for decades. That's why they're firing rockets in the general direction of Israel ("Into" Israel is technically correct, but seems to give more credit to the Palestinian's capacity to aim their rockets than they really deserve), so that the Israelis will retaliate and undermine the authority of the Palestinian (West Bank) government that at least seems to want to move on from the ridiculous goal of retaking the country and just get on with being a real country. Israel, of course doesn't mind playing along with Gaza's plan since they want to keep the West Bank from being sovereign so they can keep putting up settlements and because the Israeli government looks good to its people when it's blowing up stuff. You can make up your own mind which is more important to them.
 
2012-11-14 01:54:54 PM  
As always, this could be normal everyday stuff, or it could be the start of something. Seems that every time I think it is the start of something that it is not so we will see in time.
 
2012-11-14 01:54:58 PM  

mayIFark: So, how many 5 years old terrorist have they gotten so far?

Get your checkbook ready US citizens. White phosphorous ain't cheap.


You know, using WP is wrong period. But so is firing missiles at civilians. HAMAS usually tarts this. I mean sure HAMAS is a annnoying little nerd, but if the little nerd keeps slapping the Linebacker in the face the linebacker is going to respond. The linebacker will look bad, but sometimes you gotta look a little bad.
 
2012-11-14 01:55:15 PM  
i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-14 01:55:53 PM  

NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.


Oh yeah? As President Clinton Famously said, "Arithmetic".

How many Israelis were killed by Hamas rocket, and how many Palestinians killed by IDF?

Something like 0/500?
 
2012-11-14 01:55:57 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Oh good. A bunch of people who think a magic sky man gave them a chunk of desert in the middle of someone else's property are going to go beat the shiat out of a bunch of people who think the appropriate response to losing their land is to blow up buses and pizzerias full of innocent people who largely had nothing to do with it.
[fc02.deviantart.net image 850x543]
/hot like the fires of hell all these people can go burn in


Thats the argument I use against reparations but it just gets me called a racist
 
2012-11-14 01:56:00 PM  

NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.


I think most people understand both sides are at fault and nobody is totally in the 'right' here. Now that i said that I'm sure some douche will call me an anti-semite, usually how it goes.
 
2012-11-14 01:56:19 PM  

SkunkWerks: willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE

Funny enough from the standpoint of the history of human society, the point at which religion goes from worshiping feminine nature-based figures to revering male deities is typically shortly after you've seen the move from roaming, hunting and gathering societies that depend a lot on luck to survive (finding food, no ill turns in the weather which push herds away from their typical gathering places, and s on) to agrarian societies that don't move around much and whose survival depends largely on having big stockpiles of stuff.

Stuff you can take by force.

Then it's handy to make God a man 'cause, yanno, war's a man's game and all. All the Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity, Islam, and yes, Judaism)share more or less the same male deity, soooo.... you get this.


Which is why I worship transsexual gods. Even if you can take something by force, there's still the potential for bad luck.
 
2012-11-14 01:56:31 PM  
Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?
 
2012-11-14 01:56:37 PM  

mayIFark: NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

Oh yeah? As President Clinton Famously said, "Arithmetic".

How many Israelis were killed by Hamas rocket, and how many Palestinians killed by IDF?

Something like 0/500?


It's not ok to fire rockets into population centers at all, regardless of how good you are at it.
 
2012-11-14 01:57:15 PM  
Nononononononononosonuvab*tchNO! O_O
 
2012-11-14 01:57:19 PM  

JosephFinn: willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE

It seems a bit unfair to blame Judaism for Israel's invasion, attacks on Palestine and piracy in international waters of aid ships to the Gaza Strip.


So which sovereign indian tribe do you belong to?

As for "piracy".

Israel: You are welcome to dock and have your equipment unloaded and inspected by us.

"aid ships": We aren't listening, nananah.

Israel: Stop or you will be boarded and searched

"aid ships": We aren't listening. nananah

Israel: Okay fine. *boards and searches*

Guess what Israel found on those "aid ships" - Munitions!

And for those of you who don't know what munitions are:
military weapons, ammunition, equipment, and stores


For people that can read, but I doubt you care:
http://www.humanevents.com/2010/06/10/gaza-flotilla-group-has-violent - past/

He failed to mention activists had access to knives, metal rods, clubs, bulletproof vests and night vision goggles. Fifty lacked passports while carrying large amounts of cash. Onboard as well were building supplies, such as cement, routinely used by Hamas to construct bunkers in Gaza.
 
2012-11-14 01:57:34 PM  
This must be a Christian plot to divert Jewish attention from the "War on Christmas." I suspected an all out "offensive" when I saw Santa statues in retail stores at the end of September.
 
2012-11-14 01:57:51 PM  

Great_Milenko: why can't these people grow the fark up?

really, is your invisible sky fairy worth all this?


Bunch of farking savages out there.
 
2012-11-14 01:58:32 PM  

ronaprhys: So, they seem to be attacking sites that are being used a storage or launch sites for missiles that Hamas uses to attack them.

Problem?


They're Jews. That sort of thing don't go over too well with some farkers.
 
2012-11-14 01:58:35 PM  

Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?


Are you an AP stringer for Reuters?
 
2012-11-14 01:58:39 PM  

Jubeebee: It helps when you control all transportation and communication networks in and around the territory in which your enemies live.



How do you suppose that they control the transportation networks within Gaza?
 
2012-11-14 01:59:20 PM  

xaks: mygodhasabiggerdickthanyourgod.jpg


REALLY?
 
2012-11-14 01:59:51 PM  

Jubeebee: BigNumber12: This comes after the head of Hamas' military wing Ahmed Jabari was killed in an Israeli airstrike.


Unreal. Nobody on earth seems to have military intel like the IDF.

It helps when you control all transportation and communication networks in and around the territory in which your enemies live.

/also seconding the thought that Israel is pissed that Obama won


Which I'm *still* trying to figure out.

Most of Obammy's Isreal policy positions were point-for-point continuations of Dubya's, and they fellated him nonstop.

It isn't like he's an agressor for them or someth....oh, wait....
 
2012-11-14 02:00:11 PM  

Trollomite: Thats the argument I use against reparations but it just gets me called a racist


In case you're curious, nobody is paying attention to you because your trolling is far too obvious.
 
2012-11-14 02:00:38 PM  

Evil Mackerel: jehovahs witness protection: Hamas is learning that when you open fire, people tend to return fire.

With white phosphorus.


Don't fark with people who can shoot back with WP.
 
2012-11-14 02:00:58 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: REALLY?


Yea. You should see it. Looks like a goddamn submarine.
 
2012-11-14 02:01:13 PM  
What do the Ron Paul oompaloompas think non-intervention will lead to? A sudden unofficial agreement among all other nations in the world to also stop military funding abroad?

Of course not.

We send countries money because if we don't, someone else will, and then what? Then it's only a matter of time before one or two countries (Russia and China, most likely) gain a controlling stake in all these teetering countries and we're once again isolated on the Risk board.

That's why when the RP bots try to correct the use of the word "isolationism", they're not really looking at the overall effect of "non-intervention"....which is isolationism.
 
2012-11-14 02:01:24 PM  

QifutuWahuta: xaks: Great_Milenko: why can't these people grow the fark up?

really, is your invisible sky fairy worth all this?

youmustbenewhere.jpg
ohwaityoureserious.jpg
mygodhasabiggerdickthanyourgod.jpg
thisecalatedquickly.jpg

In a hurry, can't link right now. Use your imagination. Pick one.

I'm intrigued by the "God's dick" one. Haven't seen that before, seeing as I was never an altar boy.


Quoth from the master:

i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-11-14 02:01:42 PM  

mayIFark: So, how many 5 years old terrorist have they gotten so far?

Get your checkbook ready US citizens. White phosphorous ain't cheap.


Willy Peter?
i909.photobucket.com
i31.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-14 02:02:34 PM  

ideamaster: He failed to mention activists had access to knives, metal rods, clubs, bulletproof vests and night vision goggles. Fifty lacked passports while carrying large amounts of cash. Onboard as well were building supplies, such as cement, routinely used by Hamas to construct bunkers in Gaza.


It's a little known fact that building supplies have other uses besides constructing bunkers in Gaza for Hamas, as well.
 
2012-11-14 02:03:05 PM  
On the bright side, at least Gaza is too close for the IDF to use nukes. I mean... if they had nukes. I mean... "special weapons".
 
2012-11-14 02:03:17 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-14 02:03:44 PM  
Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?

globalwarmingpraiser: Are you an AP stringer for Reuters?


He's probably a Marine.
 
2012-11-14 02:03:47 PM  

lordjupiter: We send countries money because if we don't, someone else will, and then what? Then it's only a matter of time before one or two countries (Russia and China, most likely) gain a controlling stake in all these teetering countries and we're once again isolated on the Risk board.


This is the oddest argument I have ever read
 
2012-11-14 02:03:48 PM  
This is the wonderful thread where we get to see hypocrites that otherwise claim to be peace loving come to the defense of terrorist organizations like Hamas. You know the same organizations that put into daily practice everything that their useful idiot defenders decry anyone else doing (murder, poor treatment of woman, civil liberties etc).

Never understood people like that, it's like the vegan that says it's okay to eat hamburger from Angus cows but goes around belittling anyone who dares to eat the meat of any other cow or other animal as being cruel to animals. Stand back, grab your marshmallows and get ready to watch everyone flame everyone....
 
2012-11-14 02:04:07 PM  
There goes the neighborhood!
 
2012-11-14 02:04:22 PM  

mayIFark: NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

Oh yeah? As President Clinton Famously said, "Arithmetic".

How many Israelis were killed by Hamas rocket, and how many Palestinians killed by IDF?

Something like 0/500?


When you're up against an enemy that's proud and wanting to die for his cause, you oblige him. Preferably in a way that prevents innocents from getting killed, on BOTH sides. But hey, which one hides among the civilians again?
 
2012-11-14 02:05:44 PM  

Oldiron_79: Aw shiat, the middle east is going full retard again.


Yep. Provocation: how does that work again? Israel is doing exactly what Hamas wanted them to do. They know how to get what they need out of Benjamin Is-a-nut-and-not-cute. And they know that Barack Obama will have to become involved to prevent a fire-storm in the Mid East.
 
2012-11-14 02:06:07 PM  

SkunkWerks: willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE

Funny enough from the standpoint of the history of human society, the point at which religion goes from worshiping feminine nature-based figures to revering male deities is typically shortly after you've seen the move from roaming, hunting and gathering societies that depend a lot on luck to survive (finding food, no ill turns in the weather which push herds away from their typical gathering places, and s on) to agrarian societies that don't move around much and whose survival depends largely on having big stockpiles of stuff.

Stuff you can take by force.

Then it's handy to make God a man 'cause, yanno, war's a man's game and all. All the Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity, Islam, and yes, Judaism)share more or less the same male deity, soooo.... you get this.


That is an extraordinarily charitable view of polytheistic feminine nature-based figures you've got there, fella.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-14 02:06:41 PM  
I think there is only one way to settle this. Jello

For the Jews:

img849.imageshack.us

For Hamas:

Do they have chicks in Hamas?
 
2012-11-14 02:08:08 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: lordjupiter: We send countries money because if we don't, someone else will, and then what? Then it's only a matter of time before one or two countries (Russia and China, most likely) gain a controlling stake in all these teetering countries and we're once again isolated on the Risk board.

This is the oddest argument I have ever read


Did you sleep through the Cold War?
 
2012-11-14 02:08:56 PM  

Trollomite: Have all the anti semite FARKer shown up here yet?


Semites are on both sides of this war. One can not agree with Israel and not be anti-Jew
 
2012-11-14 02:09:08 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I think there is only one way to settle this. Jello

For the Jews:

[img849.imageshack.us image 450x590]

For Hamas:

Do they have chicks in Hamas?


www.joystickdivision.com
 
2012-11-14 02:09:12 PM  

willfullyobscure: That is an extraordinarily charitable view of polytheistic feminine nature-based figures you've got there, fella.

[Kali jpg]


Obviously death is not a part of nature.
 
2012-11-14 02:09:19 PM  

Son of Thunder: Did you sleep through the Cold War?


Are you suggesting the Cold War could happen again?
 
2012-11-14 02:10:11 PM  
No doubt there will be condemnations of Israel's strikes on Gaza. But remember this: Israel would leave Gaza alone if the terrorists would just stop firing rockets into Israel. It really is that simple. Israel wants to live in peace. Hamas and others want to live without Israel existing.

/ American Israeli in Tel Aviv
// Safe from the 130+ rockets fired into Israel over the past three days
/// At least until their range increases
 
2012-11-14 02:10:25 PM  

onyxruby: This is the wonderful thread where we get to see hypocrites that otherwise claim to be peace loving come to the defense of terrorist organizations like Hamas. You know the same organizations that put into daily practice everything that their useful idiot defenders decry anyone else doing (murder, poor treatment of woman, civil liberties etc).

Never understood people like that, it's like the vegan that says it's okay to eat hamburger from Angus cows but goes around belittling anyone who dares to eat the meat of any other cow or other animal as being cruel to animals. Stand back, grab your marshmallows and get ready to watch everyone flame everyone....


The far left loves Muslims for some reason, despite the fact they're kookier on the whole than America's religious people by a wide margin. We're talking entire countries that oppress women, gays, freedom of speech, etcetera, pretty much the antithesis to social progression.

I'm tired of funding any of it. Israel can take care of itself. And they can continue to kill each other, just keep the U.S. out of it.
 
2012-11-14 02:10:56 PM  

Son of Thunder: Tat'dGreaser: lordjupiter: We send countries money because if we don't, someone else will, and then what? Then it's only a matter of time before one or two countries (Russia and China, most likely) gain a controlling stake in all these teetering countries and we're once again isolated on the Risk board.

This is the oddest argument I have ever read

Did you sleep through the Cold War?


Probably wasn't alive. Hipster libertarian, prly
 
2012-11-14 02:11:19 PM  
But I'm le tired
 
2012-11-14 02:11:49 PM  
...reaches out and touches...

Well duh! It's that time of the year.

*checks calendar*

Okay, a little late for Ramadan and Yom Kippur, but just in time for Christmas. And "late" cards are always in style, so we're good, right?
 
2012-11-14 02:12:01 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I think there is only one way to settle this. Jello

For the Jews:

[img849.imageshack.us image 450x590]

For Hamas:

Do they have chicks in Hamas?


Yes, but you have to flip 'em over to find out.
 
2012-11-14 02:12:12 PM  
MY SKY WIZARD IS BETTER THAN YOUR SKY WIZARD!!!!!

NO! MY SKY WIZARD IS BETTER THAN YOUR SKY WIZARD!!!!

kdmedianow.com



The idiots deserve each others.
 
2012-11-14 02:12:24 PM  
What is Israel's problem with a hummus chef?
 
2012-11-14 02:13:41 PM  

Silly Jesus: MY SKY WIZARD IS BETTER THAN YOUR SKY WIZARD!!!!!

NO! MY SKY WIZARD IS BETTER THAN YOUR SKY WIZARD!!!!

[kdmedianow.com image 400x300]



The idiots deserve each others.


Possibly the first intelligent thing Ive ever seen you type.
 
2012-11-14 02:14:07 PM  

NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.


PhoenixInFlames: Israel started this one. Airstrikes and killing military leaders = not good, and going to end in retaliation.

*sigh* Can we just sever all ties with everyone in the Middle East, Israel included? It's like having a little brother who knows you can kick ass, and insists on starting shiat with their classmates cuz they know you'll defend them.


It's fun to see these posts back-to-back.
 
2012-11-14 02:14:13 PM  

onyxruby: This is the wonderful thread where we get to see hypocrites that otherwise claim to be peace loving come to the defense of terrorist organizations like Hamas. You know the same organizations that put into daily practice everything that their useful idiot defenders decry anyone else doing (murder, poor treatment of woman, civil liberties etc).

Never understood people like that, it's like the vegan that says it's okay to eat hamburger from Angus cows but goes around belittling anyone who dares to eat the meat of any other cow or other animal as being cruel to animals. Stand back, grab your marshmallows and get ready to watch everyone flame everyone....


They aren't defending the violence of Hamas, they're condemning the violence of Israel. It's a subtle difference.
 
2012-11-14 02:14:23 PM  

bostonguy: No doubt there will be condemnations of Israel's strikes on Gaza. But remember this: Israel would leave Gaza alone if the terrorists would just stop firing rockets into Israel. It really is that simple. Israel wants to live in peace. Hamas and others want to live without Israel existing.

/ American Israeli in Tel Aviv
// Safe from the 130+ rockets fired into Israel over the past three days
/// At least until their range increases


You left out the part where the Israelis got the other morons land because their sky wizard said so.
 
2012-11-14 02:14:58 PM  

Raharu: Silly Jesus: MY SKY WIZARD IS BETTER THAN YOUR SKY WIZARD!!!!!

NO! MY SKY WIZARD IS BETTER THAN YOUR SKY WIZARD!!!!

[kdmedianow.com image 400x300]



The idiots deserve each others.

Possibly the first intelligent thing Ive ever seen you type.


Likewise.
 
2012-11-14 02:14:59 PM  

onyxruby: This is the wonderful thread where we get to see hypocrites that otherwise claim to be peace loving come to the defense of terrorist organizations like Hamas. You know the same organizations that put into daily practice everything that their useful idiot defenders decry anyone else doing (murder, poor treatment of woman, civil liberties etc).

Never understood people like that, it's like the vegan that says it's okay to eat hamburger from Angus cows but goes around belittling anyone who dares to eat the meat of any other cow or other animal as being cruel to animals. Stand back, grab your marshmallows and get ready to watch everyone flame everyone....


Clearly you never understood people like that, because clearly you don't under what they actually SAY. In the minds of normal people, criticizing Israel does not equate to praising Hamas to the skies. Only in the false dichotomies that bedevil small minds does every statement about Israel or Hamas become either "Israel is wonderful and Hamas is evil" or "Hamas is wonderful and Israel is evil."

But some people's minds simply cannot comprehend that level of nuance and thus mistake it for hypocrisy..
 
2012-11-14 02:15:17 PM  

Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?


ERMAHGERD!! TERX CERTS ERND BINHERZ LERBER!
 
2012-11-14 02:16:36 PM  

ciberido: Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?

globalwarmingpraiser: Are you an AP stringer for Reuters?

He's She's probably a Marine stay at home mom of four.


FTFY. 0_o
 
2012-11-14 02:17:03 PM  
I wish to God that the Middle East would sink into the sea so the rest of us could live our lives in peace!
 
2012-11-14 02:17:12 PM  
I wonder if these events will cause other Muslim nations in the area to react militarily against Israel, which will in turn warrant a military response in kind from the US.

I don't think Iran would directly involve themselves, I'd put my money on Egypt before anyone else, but the Israelis could be hoping that Iran will react forcing the US' hand.

Of course, I never was very good with world politics and could be simply over analyzing the situation and this could simply be a justified response to attacks from Hamas controlled regions in the Gaza strip.
 
2012-11-14 02:17:19 PM  

ciberido: onyxruby: This is the wonderful thread where we get to see hypocrites that otherwise claim to be peace loving come to the defense of terrorist organizations like Hamas. You know the same organizations that put into daily practice everything that their useful idiot defenders decry anyone else doing (murder, poor treatment of woman, civil liberties etc).

Never understood people like that, it's like the vegan that says it's okay to eat hamburger from Angus cows but goes around belittling anyone who dares to eat the meat of any other cow or other animal as being cruel to animals. Stand back, grab your marshmallows and get ready to watch everyone flame everyone....

Clearly you never understood people like that, because clearly you don't under what they actually SAY. In the minds of normal people, criticizing Israel does not equate to praising Hamas to the skies. Only in the false dichotomies that bedevil small minds does every statement about Israel or Hamas become either "Israel is wonderful and Hamas is evil" or "Hamas is wonderful and Israel is evil."

But some people's minds simply cannot comprehend that level of nuance and thus mistake it for hypocrisy..


That's a common theme on Fark. Any criticism of Obama makes you a Tea Bagger etc. People inside echo chambers tend to have very black and white worldviews.
 
2012-11-14 02:17:29 PM  
Next.....
 
2012-11-14 02:17:34 PM  
Go get em IDF! Some of the best damn soldiers in the world.
 
2012-11-14 02:17:55 PM  

topcon: The far left loves Muslims for some reason, despite the fact they're kookier on the whole than America's religious people by a wide margin. We're talking entire countries that oppress women, gays, freedom of speech, etcetera, pretty much the antithesis to social progression.


That's my point, they go around defending people who are /much/ further to the right than any of the religious fundamentalists in this country... It's a bit like if the Westboro Baptist Church was zealously defended by the local GLBT club every time they condemned gays.
 
2012-11-14 02:18:17 PM  
tucsoncitizen.com

Actual Hamas suicide bomber.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I think there is only one way to settle this. Jello

For the Jews:

[img849.imageshack.us image 450x590]

For Hamas:

Do they have chicks in Hamas?

 
2012-11-14 02:19:01 PM  

PhoenixInFlames: Israel started this one. Airstrikes and killing military leaders = not good, and going to end in retaliation.

*sigh* Can we just sever all ties with everyone in the Middle East, Israel included? It's like having a little brother who knows you can kick ass, and insists on starting shiat with their classmates cuz they know you'll defend them.


Wait, what? Hamas launches over 100 rockets/missiles at you over the course of a few days/weeks, but responding with a precision strike that takes out 1 car that happens to contain the person IN CHARGE of launching hundreds of rockets/missiles is "starting this one"

/facepalm
 
2012-11-14 02:19:08 PM  
Say what you want about Israel, but that's an impressive airstrike. It completely destroyed the passenger, but left the front end nearly intact.
 
2012-11-14 02:20:06 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Oh good. A bunch of people who think a magic sky man gave them a chunk of desert in the middle of someone else's property are going to go beat the shiat out of a bunch of people who think the appropriate response to losing their land is to blow up buses and pizzerias full of innocent people who largely had nothing to do with it.

[fc02.deviantart.net image 850x543]
/hot like the fires of hell all these people can go burn in


Your talking about Hammas, right?
 
2012-11-14 02:20:28 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Oh good. A bunch of people who think a magic sky man gave them a chunk of desert in the middle of someone else's property are going to go beat the shiat out of a bunch of people who think the appropriate response to losing their land is to blow up buses and pizzerias full of innocent people who largely had nothing to do with it.

[fc02.deviantart.net image 850x543]
/hot like the fires of hell all these people can go burn in


You know, genetically speaking, the Jews were there first and there the longest (and as the best defined location specific ethnic group). There was some hoopla a couple of years ago when the studies came out. I'm having trouble remembering where to find them, but I think this is one (unable to log in right now to verify). The Palestinians are fairly recent immigrees to the region (in consideration of that part of the world having a very deep history) moving in as a result of the Romans were doing their thing to run the Jews out. (You know, the whole ethnic cleansing, destroying their temples, outlawing the people and religion, stealing their property, etc all that fun stuff if the history I learned is right.)

The situation is a whole lotta gray once you know the actual history of the place and not the propaganda from both sides. One must be pretty retarded to think one side is right and the other wrong or that both sides are wrong. You say it's the Jews forcing their way onto someone else's property, but others could equate it to the homeowners returning after a long trip away and seeking to kick out squatters (squatters who enlisted the aid of some ethnic cleansers to run the family out in the first place). If there is any truth at all, it's probably in the middle, but where oh where? Can't be easy to find it else they wouldn't be handing Nobel Peace Prizes out like candy to anyone who seems to come close to figuring it out.
 
PJ-
2012-11-14 02:20:30 PM  
If I were surrounded by people who have openly admitted they would not be satisfied until my family was driven into the ocean, damn right I would react with anything I had when they shoot rockets into my backyard.

Palestine can never make peace with Israel, because you can't make peace with a country you say doesn't exist. If they signed a peace treaty, that would go against everything they believe in.
 
2012-11-14 02:21:46 PM  

Russky: NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

I think most people understand both sides are at fault and nobody is totally in the 'right' here. Now that i said that I'm sure some douche will call me an anti-semite, usually how it goes.



Judaism and Islam are both Semitic religions. So however someone wants to take your comment - blame the Jews, blame the Muslims - either way you're anti-semitic.
 
2012-11-14 02:21:50 PM  

onyxruby: (murder, poor treatment of woman, civil liberties)


But enough about Israel...
 
2012-11-14 02:22:06 PM  
Religion isn't the cause here, just the cover.

One day, I hope sooner rather than later, the Zionist's problems will just be the Zionist's problems.

People who are blind to the numerous atrocities committed by the Zionists have got their own problems, and those problems don't make them good Jews.
 
2012-11-14 02:22:37 PM  

marsgwar: Say what you want about Israel, but that's an impressive airstrike. It completely destroyed the passenger, but left the front end nearly intact.


Good shootin' Red Team.....get you a case of beer for that one
 
2012-11-14 02:22:44 PM  

karl2025: jehovahs witness protection: Hamas is learning that when you open fire, people tend to return fire.

They've known this for decades. That's why they're firing rockets in the general direction of Israel ("Into" Israel is technically correct, but seems to give more credit to the Palestinian's capacity to aim their rockets than they really deserve), so that the Israelis will retaliate and undermine the authority of the Palestinian (West Bank) government that at least seems to want to move on from the ridiculous goal of retaking the country and just get on with being a real country. Israel, of course doesn't mind playing along with Gaza's plan since they want to keep the West Bank from being sovereign so they can keep putting up settlements and because the Israeli government looks good to its people when it's blowing up stuff. You can make up your own mind which is more important to them.


and they do this to accomplish what now?
 
2012-11-14 02:22:54 PM  

PhoenixInFlames: Israel started this one. Airstrikes and killing military leaders = not good, and going to end in retaliation.

*sigh* Can we just sever all ties with everyone in the Middle East, Israel included? It's like having a little brother who knows you can kick ass, and insists on starting shiat with their classmates cuz they know you'll defend them.


Seriously? Did you miss the part where Hamas has launched 110 missiles into Israel since Saturday, after the IDF responded to a missile attack on one of their jeeps?

Israel certainly isn't innocent in a general sense, but with respect to these events specifically it seems like a pretty rational act to take out Hamas's military leader.
 
2012-11-14 02:23:22 PM  
I don't have the energy to say anything particularly intelligent or funny right now, but seeing as the submission is an RT link, I'll just say this:

Abby Martin is hot.
 
2012-11-14 02:23:36 PM  

karl2025: They aren't defending the violence of Hamas, they're condemning the violence of Israel. It's a subtle difference.


Except that isn't what their doing, and I have looked for exactly that behavior for years. Seriously, try to find a major condemnation of Hamas or similar terrorist organizations by these people at anything like the level they condemn Israel. You might find a few examples here and there, but they are the exception. To be honest I have read far more criticism and condemnation of Hamas and similar terrorist groups from Arabs. The useful idiots condemn only one side of the equation, having decided that their morals and values don't apply if the victim is somebody that they don't like.
 
2012-11-14 02:24:39 PM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Oh good. A bunch of people who think a magic sky man gave them a chunk of desert in the middle of someone else's property are going to go beat the shiat out of a bunch of people who think the appropriate response to losing their land is to blow up buses and pizzerias full of innocent people who largely had nothing to do with it.

[fc02.deviantart.net image 850x543]
/hot like the fires of hell all these people can go burn in

You know, genetically speaking, the Jews were there first and there the longest (and as the best defined location specific ethnic group). There was some hoopla a couple of years ago when the studies came out. I'm having trouble remembering where to find them, but I think this is one (unable to log in right now to verify). The Palestinians are fairly recent immigrees to the region (in consideration of that part of the world having a very deep history) moving in as a result of the Romans were doing their thing to run the Jews out. (You know, the whole ethnic cleansing, destroying their temples, outlawing the people and religion, stealing their property, etc all that fun stuff if the history I learned is right.)

The situation is a whole lotta gray once you know the actual history of the place and not the propaganda from both sides. One must be pretty retarded to think one side is right and the other wrong or that both sides are wrong. You say it's the Jews forcing their way onto someone else's property, but others could equate it to the homeowners returning after a long trip away and seeking to kick out squatters (squatters who enlisted the aid of some ethnic cleansers to run the family out in the first place). If there is any truth at all, it's probably in the middle, but where oh where? Can't be easy to find it else they wouldn't be handing Nobel Peace Prizes out like candy to anyone who seems to come close to figuring it out.


So following your reasoning Canada should belong to the Danes since they where the first to settle it?
 
2012-11-14 02:25:37 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Russky: NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

I think most people understand both sides are at fault and nobody is totally in the 'right' here. Now that i said that I'm sure some douche will call me an anti-semite, usually how it goes.


Judaism and Islam are both Semitic religions. So however someone wants to take your comment - blame the Jews, blame the Muslims - either way you're anti-semitic.


Just for the record: "Semitic" refers only to a family of languages and not anything else. The Hebrew and Arabic languages are Semitic. The religions, and anything else, are not. (The term "anti-Semitism" was invented by an anti-Semite to describe his beliefs, and it stuck somehow.)
 
2012-11-14 02:26:47 PM  
I think its in our best interest for these people to keep killing each other, we just need to keep subsidizing which ever side is loosing at the moment so we can maximize casualties on both sides. See also: Syria
 
2012-11-14 02:26:53 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-14 02:26:57 PM  
It must be a Wednesday.
 
2012-11-14 02:27:24 PM  

mayIFark: NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

Oh yeah? As President Clinton Famously said, "Arithmetic".

How many Israelis were killed by Hamas rocket, and how many Palestinians killed by IDF?

Something like 0/500?


Oh come on, it isn't for lack of trying. Just because you are bad at being a genocidal pack of hooligans doesn't mean you don't deserve to be put down like a bunch of rabid dogs.
 
2012-11-14 02:27:36 PM  

demonbug: ....it seems like a pretty rational act to take out Hamas's military leader.



And it is a nice cockpunch to Egypt as a bonus.

/Egypt should not have shot off it's mouth.
 
2012-11-14 02:27:49 PM  

onyxruby
2012-11-14 02:17:55 PM

topcon: The far left loves Muslims for some reason, despite the fact they're kookier on the whole than America's religious people by a wide margin. We're talking entire countries that oppress women, gays, freedom of speech, etcetera, pretty much the antithesis to social progression.

That's my point, they go around defending people who are /much/ further to the right than any of the religious fundamentalists in this country... It's a bit like if the Westboro Baptist Church was zealously defended by the local GLBT club every time they condemned gays.

Well... to be perfectly honest, the left does love Westboro baptists
www.freedomsphoenix.com

georgialogcabin.org

georgialogcabin.org
 
2012-11-14 02:27:51 PM  

onyxruby: This is the wonderful thread where we get to see hypocrites that otherwise claim to be peace loving come to the defense of terrorist organizations like Hamas. You know the same organizations that put into daily practice everything that their useful idiot defenders decry anyone else doing (murder, poor treatment of woman, civil liberties etc).

Never understood people like that, it's like the vegan that says it's okay to eat hamburger from Angus cows but goes around belittling anyone who dares to eat the meat of any other cow or other animal as being cruel to animals. Stand back, grab your marshmallows and get ready to watch everyone flame everyone....


topcon: The far left loves Muslims for some reason, despite the fact they're kookier on the whole than America's religious people by a wide margin. We're talking entire countries that oppress women, gays, freedom of speech, etcetera, pretty much the antithesis to social progression.



And once again we see the false dichotomy that plagues the thinking of the the far right. "We think Muslims are evil, and the left doesn't agree with us, therefore liberals love Muslims and think they're perfect!" Any message more nuanced than "Yay Islam wonderful!" or "Boo, Islam bad!" gets distorted into one of those two blurbs. "Yes, there are many problems, and atrocities have been committed in the name of Islam; but not all Muslims are terrorists, and you're oversimplifying the issue and painting with too broad a brush" doesn't fit onto a bumper sticker well, I suppose.

It's both sad and frightening that the left is embroiled in an endless argument with a group of people who by and large LITERALLY CANNOT comprehend what we're trying to say. 

I'm reminded of the adage "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail," except in this case, it would have to start with "When all you have is straw."

/which is an oversimplification, of course
//it's a very real possibility that one can fall into the trap of doing exactly the thing one despises about one's opponents actions.
 
2012-11-14 02:28:26 PM  

thisisarepeat: I think its in our best interest for these people to keep killing each other, we just need to keep subsidizing which ever side is loosing at the moment so we can maximize casualties on both sides. See also: Syria


Sorta like what Israel did during Iraq-Iran war?
 
2012-11-14 02:29:10 PM  
This is the scariest thing I have ever experienced:

I once took a very long bus ride in South America, and was seated next to a guy from Florida. We talked very pleasantly for a good few hours, about a variety of subjects, and then the topic of Israel and Palestine came up. He would later tell me that he was Jewish, but that hadn't come up in the conversation prior to that point. Anyhow, he asked me for my opinion about the conflict and, considering that I was in the midst of reading a lot about that part of the world, I gave (what I thought to be) a very nuanced answer that probably took about 10 minutes to properly lay out.

He looked at me, blankly, for a few seconds, and then simply stated "I'd wipe them all out."
"Who?"
"The Palestinians."
"What do you mean?"
"Simple. Kill every single Palestinian that's alive. It's the only solution."

I sat there, unable to comprehend what he had said. This was an educated and professional man who had a wife, four children, and was able to speak quite eloquently and intelligently about a broad range of topics. Prior to this part of the conversation, I would have easily labelled him a normal, healthy, and friendly guy.

After collecting myself, I tried to reason with him about what he had just suggested, pointing out the insanity of it all, but without being accusatory. It was then that he said the scariest thing I've ever heard, because he GENUINELY believed it:

"You have to understand, I'm a pacifist."

In a single breath, he would go on to explain to me that although he was a pacifist the only solution to the Israel/Palestine conflict was to murder every single man, woman, and child that considers themselves Palestinian. He genuinely believed both of these statements, and saw absolutely no contradiction between them.

As we discussed this further, and he saw that I did not agree with him, he got VERY aggressive towards me. After about 30 more minutes he was so upset that I said something like:

"You know, when you talk about my personal opinions and beliefs, you seem to get as angry as you do when you talk about the Palestinians."

He just stared at me, lifeless, and said "Yes, that's right." You could tell that he would have easily put me in the "EXTERMINATE IMMEDIATELY" group, had he had the power to do so.

After that, we stopped talking (obviously) and just sat on the bus. He had been using the armrest the entire trip, without incident from me, and after he got up to go to the bathroom, I decided that I'd like a turn at it. When he returned, he started trying to forcibly push my arm off the armrest.

"Excuse me, don't do that please" I said.
"Just move your arm up so I can have the back part of the armrest" he replied.
"You've had it for hours, and I would like a turn" I said.
"You are so selfish. You are just like the farking Palestinians" he proclaimed.

As I said, meeting that man was, without a doubt, the scariest experience I've ever had. For someone to appear so normal, and psychologically healthy, after talking for hours about a variety of subjects... only to find out that he's, in many ways, a psychopath... really shook me. Of course, at the time, my reaction to him could probably best be described by this:

www.macrobusiness.com.au

/seemed relevant
 
2012-11-14 02:29:10 PM  

onyxruby: karl2025: They aren't defending the violence of Hamas, they're condemning the violence of Israel. It's a subtle difference.

Except that isn't what their doing, and I have looked for exactly that behavior for years. Seriously, try to find a major condemnation of Hamas or similar terrorist organizations by these people at anything like the level they condemn Israel. You might find a few examples here and there, but they are the exception. To be honest I have read far more criticism and condemnation of Hamas and similar terrorist groups from Arabs. The useful idiots condemn only one side of the equation, having decided that their morals and values don't apply if the victim is somebody that they don't like.


I don't condemn anybody who fights against oppression. We can question their methods, and there is plenty of blame to go around, but Israel is the only actor here that continues to operate an apartheid state.
 
2012-11-14 02:29:41 PM  
I clearly have to do everything around here.
kenchilds.com
kenchilds.com
kenchilds.com
kenchilds.com
 
2012-11-14 02:30:09 PM  

mayIFark: NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

Oh yeah? As President Clinton Famously said, "Arithmetic".

How many Israelis were killed by Hamas rocket, and how many Palestinians killed by IDF?

Something like 0/500?


Dammit, I can't let this stand...even though I am rpetty sure I am being trolled.

Are you American? How many US citizens were killed on 9/11? How many Afghan citizens have been killed in our counterattack? Are you saying that we are dickheads for being there? Should we have packed it up and gone home once the 4,000th Afghan was killed?

In summary, your post is bad, and you should feel bad.
 
2012-11-14 02:30:13 PM  
I for one appreciate that Israel waited until after the election.

It means that at least on this level, they don't want to fark with Obama. That's some quality bet-hedging.

I'm just waiting for all the other shoes to drop post-election. I think it's going to be like a Nike shipping container spilling open as it's lifted off a cargo ship.

/I have only one .jpg for events in the Middle East, and it's awnotthisshiatagain.jpg
 
2012-11-14 02:30:28 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: PhoenixInFlames: Israel started this one. Airstrikes and killing military leaders = not good, and going to end in retaliation.

*sigh* Can we just sever all ties with everyone in the Middle East, Israel included? It's like having a little brother who knows you can kick ass, and insists on starting shiat with their classmates cuz they know you'll defend them.

Wait, what? Hamas launches over 100 rockets/missiles at you over the course of a few days/weeks, but responding with a precision strike that takes out 1 car that happens to contain the person IN CHARGE of launching hundreds of rockets/missiles is "starting this one"

/facepalm


Hamas is ALWAYS launching rockets into Israel. I doubt a month goes by without them flinging some random explosive into Israel.

Israel usually retaliates with a little launching of their own, reacting on-par with the level given to them. Usually.. Sometimes they react a little more aggressively, but typically it's tit-for-tat.

If they thought that taking out a leader in Hamas was going to end well, they were fools.
 
2012-11-14 02:31:16 PM  

OnlyM3: onyxruby
2012-11-14 02:17:55 PM

topcon: The far left loves Muslims for some reason, despite the fact they're kookier on the whole than America's religious people by a wide margin. We're talking entire countries that oppress women, gays, freedom of speech, etcetera, pretty much the antithesis to social progression.

That's my point, they go around defending people who are /much/ further to the right than any of the religious fundamentalists in this country... It's a bit like if the Westboro Baptist Church was zealously defended by the local GLBT club every time they condemned gays.
Well... to be perfectly honest, the left does love Westboro baptists
[www.freedomsphoenix.com image 255x225]

[georgialogcabin.org image 180x160]

[georgialogcabin.org image 255x152]


That looks...recent.
 
2012-11-14 02:31:45 PM  
so long and thanks for all the fish
 
2012-11-14 02:31:51 PM  

Masquerader317: ciberido: Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?

globalwarmingpraiser: Are you an AP stringer for Reuters?

He's She's probably a Marine stay at home mom of four.

FTFY. 0_o


It is a fark meme oh and the obligatory Tits or GTFO, make me a sammich...etc.
 
2012-11-14 02:31:55 PM  
brb popcorn
 
2012-11-14 02:32:00 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man:
So following your reasoning Canada should belong to the Danes since they where the first to settle it?


As a part Native American man, I can say:

img21.imageshack.us

You're racist.

Taking over a land and killing off all who've been there for thousands of years doesn't exactly put you on the moral high ground when it comes to ethical considerations of whose land it was. Whether that be the case with the native tribes of the Americas or the native Semitic tribes of the middle east. Yet, ethics are never so simple, are they?

Plus, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Offering up and considering an alternative perspective with an explanation of its grounds is not the same as taking a position. Not everyone is as simplistic in their thinking as you.
 
2012-11-14 02:32:08 PM  

ciberido: But some people's minds simply cannot comprehend that level of nuance and thus mistake it for hypocrisy..


I have been reading hypocrisy like this online for 18 years now. Terrorist attacks target Israel civilians on consistent basis, and have for years (as well as other countries like Pakistan etc).

Find any closed thread on Fark where this has come up before and someone flamed Israel (and not someone simply saying 'nuke em all'). Now, find another comment from any other closed thread where that same person has flamed Hamas or any other similar organization. Fark has been around for over a decade, if I'm wrong you should easily be able to find examples of this.

Just because you have limited ability to read nuance does not mean that people with oppositional views do.
 
2012-11-14 02:32:29 PM  

onyxruby: topcon: The far left loves Muslims for some reason, despite the fact they're kookier on the whole than America's religious people by a wide margin. We're talking entire countries that oppress women, gays, freedom of speech, etcetera, pretty much the antithesis to social progression.

That's my point, they go around defending people who are /much/ further to the right than any of the religious fundamentalists in this country... It's a bit like if the Westboro Baptist Church was zealously defended by the local GLBT club every time they condemned gays.


The local GLBT condemns gays? Who knew?

A better example would be the ACLU showing support for same-sex marriage one day and defending the Westboro Baptist Church's right to condemn gays the next. It might seem hypocritical or confusing to people who think the entire world is divided into two teams which are polar opposites of each other.
 
2012-11-14 02:33:08 PM  

ciberido: onyxruby: This is the wonderful thread where we get to see hypocrites that otherwise claim to be peace loving come to the defense of terrorist organizations like Hamas. You know the same organizations that put into daily practice everything that their useful idiot defenders decry anyone else doing (murder, poor treatment of woman, civil liberties etc).

Never understood people like that, it's like the vegan that says it's okay to eat hamburger from Angus cows but goes around belittling anyone who dares to eat the meat of any other cow or other animal as being cruel to animals. Stand back, grab your marshmallows and get ready to watch everyone flame everyone....

topcon: The far left loves Muslims for some reason, despite the fact they're kookier on the whole than America's religious people by a wide margin. We're talking entire countries that oppress women, gays, freedom of speech, etcetera, pretty much the antithesis to social progression.


And once again we see the false dichotomy that plagues the thinking of the the far right. "We think Muslims are evil, and the left doesn't agree with us, therefore liberals love Muslims and think they're perfect!" Any message more nuanced than "Yay Islam wonderful!" or "Boo, Islam bad!" gets distorted into one of those two blurbs. "Yes, there are many problems, and atrocities have been committed in the name of Islam; but not all Muslims are terrorists, and you're oversimplifying the issue and painting with too broad a brush" doesn't fit onto a bumper sticker well, I suppose.

It's both sad and frightening that the left is embroiled in an endless argument with a group of people who by and large LITERALLY CANNOT comprehend what we're trying to say. 

I'm reminded of the adage "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail," except in this case, it would have to start with "When all you have is straw."

/which is an oversimplification, of course
//it's a very real possibility that one can fall into the trap of do ...


I'm far right now? Neat. Might want to read my profile. I'm areligious, support gay rights, abortion, health care reform, and a bunch of other stuff the right hates.

I'll say it again: The far left loves Muslims for some kooky reason.
 
2012-11-14 02:34:23 PM  

willyfreddy: He looked at me, blankly, for a few seconds, and then simply stated "I'd wipe them all out."
"Who?"
"The Palestinians."
"What do you mean?"
"Simple. Kill every single Palestinian that's alive. It's the only solution."


Its their "Final Solution" to the "Palestinian Problem". Many Jews seem to have same opinion of Palestinians as Germans had of them during WW II.

Talk about your Stockholm Syndrome.
 
2012-11-14 02:34:30 PM  
The best and only way to beat Israel is not to find toe to toe. Israel will always win in a violent struggle. Economics is the only way to win. Palestinians need to find non-violent leadership. Trading will win the war. Not some bombastic half-arse made mortar out of nearly broken down pickup.

Rather than strapping a bomb to someone's chest and yelling out some silly phrase. Get to work building something (not a missile or mortar launcher). Even if it's a 'pet rock' or metal scrap yard. Get Palestinians back to constructive work and not being paid to work at an airport that doesn't have jets.
 
2012-11-14 02:34:53 PM  

Silly Jesus: That's a common theme on Fark. Any criticism of Obama makes you a Tea Bagger racist


There we go.

Just watch.
 
2012-11-14 02:35:31 PM  

Go Fast Turn Left: I clearly have to do everything around here.
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Meh,

Muslim women are hotter

/I think it's the hijab
 
2012-11-14 02:35:41 PM  
Fark 'em. Go IDF

The most notable of what were considered terrorist acts committed by member organizations of the PLO were:
The 1970 Avivim school bus massacre by the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), killed nine children, three adults and crippled 19.
In the late 1960s and early 1970s, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the second-largest PLO faction after al-Fatah, carried out a number of attacks and plane hijackings mostly directed at Israel, most infamously the Dawson's Field hijackings, which precipitated the Black September in Jordan crisis.
In 1972, the Black September Organization carried out the Munich massacre of Israeli Olympic athletes.
In 1974, members of the DFLP seized a school in Israel and killed a total of 26 students and adults and wounded over 70 in the Ma'alot massacre.
The 1975, Savoy Hotel hostage situation killing 8 hostages and 3 soldiers, carried out by Fatah.
The 1978, Coastal Road massacre killing 37 Israelis and wounding 76, also carried out by Fatah.
And a few more
Name Date Location Responsible Party Deaths Notes
Avivim school bus massacre May 8, 1970 near Avivim PFLP-GC[3] 12[4] 25 wounded; 9 victims were children
Lod Airport massacre May 30, 1972 Lod Three members of the Japanese Red Army, on behalf of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine 26[5] 80 injured
Kiryat Shmona massacre April 11, 1974 Kiryat Shmona, Israel Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command 18[6] 8 victims were children; 15 injured
Ma'alot massacre[7] May 15, 1974 Ma'alot[8] Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine[9] 29[10] 68 injured; victims were mostly children
Coastal Road massacre March 11, 1978 near Tel Aviv Palestinian Liberation Organization 38[11] 38 people were killed on bus. Victims include 13 children. Other people killed nearby. 71 wounded.
Tel Aviv Jerusalem bus 405 massacre July 6, 1989 Kiryat Yearim Palestinian Islamic Jihad 16[12] First Palestinian suicide attack; 27 injured
Beit Lid massacre[13][14][15][16] January 22, 1995 Beit Lid Junction Palestinian Islamic Jihad 23[17] death toll includes 2 perpetrators; 69 injured; first suicide attack by Palestinian Islamic Jihad
Dizengoff Center massacre March 4, 1996 Tel Aviv Hamas 13[18] Victims include 5 children; 130 injured
Island of Peace massacre March 13, 1997 Island of Peace Jordanian Army Corporal Ahmed Daqamseh 7[18] Jordanian soldier opened fire on a large group of Israeli schoolgirls[18]
Dolphinarium discotheque massacre[19] June 1, 2001 Tel Aviv Hamas 21[20][21][22] 132 injured; victims were teenagers[23]
Sbarro restaurant massacre August 9, 2001 Jerusalem Hamas 15[24] 130 injured; 7 victims were children
Bat Mitzvah massacre[25] January 18, 2002 Hadera al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades 7[26] 33 wounded[26]
Yeshivat Beit Yisrael massacre March 2, 2002 Beit Yisrael, Jerusalem Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades 11[27] Victims included 7 children, 2 of which were infants
Passover massacre[28] March 27, 2002 Netanya Hamas[29] 30[30] 140 injured; some victims were Holocaust survivors; considered the deadliest single attack against Israeli civilians during the Second Intifada
Matza restaurant massacre March 31, 2002 Haifa Hamas 16[31]
2002 French Hill Junction massacre June 19, 2002 French Hill neighborhood, Jerusalem Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades 7[32] 35 injured
Hebrew University massacre July 31, 2002 Hebrew University of Jerusalem Hamas 9[33] 5 victims were Americans; 100+ injured;[34] massacre was celebrated in Gaza[35]
Jerusalem bus 20 massacre November 21, 2002 Kiryat Menachem, Jerusalem Hamas 11[36] 50+ injured; 4 victims were children
Tel-Aviv central bus station massacre January 5, 2003 Southern Tel Aviv Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades 23[37] Over 100 injured
Jerusalem bus 2 massacre August 19, 2003 Jerusalem Hamas 23[38] Over 130 injured; 7 victims were children, including infants[39]
Maxim restaurant massacre October 4, 2003 Haifa Islamic Jihad 21.[40] 51 injured; victims include 4 young children
Mercaz HaRav massacre March 6, 2008 Kiryat Moshe, Jerusalem Palestinian gunman 8[41][42] Attack took place at a school, and seven victims were students; the massacre was approved by 84 percent of Palestinians[43]
 
2012-11-14 02:36:07 PM  

Raharu: Silly Jesus: MY SKY WIZARD IS BETTER THAN YOUR SKY WIZARD!!!!!

NO! MY SKY WIZARD IS BETTER THAN YOUR SKY WIZARD!!!!

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The idiots deserve each others.

Possibly the first intelligent thing Ive ever seen you type.


Seconded. Silly Jesus is on one of my "favorites" lists. I only have three lists. "average intelligence/badge licker/fundamentalist" "Urban" and "feminist coont" I think i should add "Jew" just to further outrage anyone looking over my shoulder.
 
2012-11-14 02:36:35 PM  
They're 5 miles high as the crow flies
leavin' vapour trails against a blood red sky
Movin' in from the East toward the West
with Balaclava helmets over their heads, yes!
 
2012-11-14 02:36:52 PM  

willfullyobscure: That is an extraordinarily charitable view of polytheistic feminine nature-based figures you've got there, fella.


So, Hinduism is a feminine nature based religion?

Really?

Wow. Just... wow. Further back brother. Further back. Show me a cave painting of someone being clubbed to death with a Venus of Willendorf for his lunch money and we'll talk.


Incidentally, you have a funny idea of what constitutes a "charitable view" of something. Never suggested hunting and gathering is a "superior" form of culture or society in any way shape or form. Or did you miss the bit where I described "surviving largely by way of luck"?

Yeah, it kinda sucks, I'd be the fist to admit that. But it was a phase we passed through, and we traded it off for beating up people and claiming that God was our Bro and totally on our side- not yours.

But at least we have a pretty good idea whether we'll make it through the winter. Trade-offs.
 
2012-11-14 02:37:02 PM  

nmemkha: willyfreddy: He looked at me, blankly, for a few seconds, and then simply stated "I'd wipe them all out."
"Who?"
"The Palestinians."
"What do you mean?"
"Simple. Kill every single Palestinian that's alive. It's the only solution."

Its their "Final Solution" to the "Palestinian Problem". Many Jews seem to have same opinion of Palestinians as Germans had of them during WW II.

Talk about your Stockholm Syndrome.


Were the Jews actually saying that they should wipeout the Germans prior to the Holocost? The Palestinians were have been saying this for a long time. And it isn't as if the Israeli's haven't been attacked by their neighbors several times in the last 50 years.
 
2012-11-14 02:38:04 PM  

signaljammer: Religion isn't the cause here, just the cover.



One of the smartest things posted yet. And an accurate description of virtually every war in history.
 
2012-11-14 02:39:07 PM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Mid_mo_mad_man:
So following your reasoning Canada should belong to the Danes since they where the first to settle it?

As a part Native American man, I can say:

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You're racist.

Taking over a land and killing off all who've been there for thousands of years doesn't exactly put you on the moral high ground when it comes to ethical considerations of whose land it was. Whether that be the case with the native tribes of the Americas or the native Semitic tribes of the middle east. Yet, ethics are never so simple, are they?

Plus, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Offering up and considering an alternative perspective with an explanation of its grounds is not the same as taking a position. Not everyone is as simplistic in their thinking as you.


My point was (which I didn't state clearly) just because the Jews lived there 2000 years ago doesn't give them rights to land that others are living on. They had no more right to kick out the Arabs living there then American Indians kicking out whitey from the USA
 
2012-11-14 02:39:12 PM  
 
2012-11-14 02:39:26 PM  

bostonguy: Kraftwerk Orange: Russky: NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

I think most people understand both sides are at fault and nobody is totally in the 'right' here. Now that i said that I'm sure some douche will call me an anti-semite, usually how it goes.


Judaism and Islam are both Semitic religions. So however someone wants to take your comment - blame the Jews, blame the Muslims - either way you're anti-semitic.

Just for the record: "Semitic" refers only to a family of languages and not anything else. The Hebrew and Arabic languages are Semitic. The religions, and anything else, are not. (The term "anti-Semitism" was invented by an anti-Semite to describe his beliefs, and it stuck somehow.)


Ok, so they're both religions of the Semitic people, so I'll use that it as an adjective to refer to their beliefs... "Semitic religion" it is!
 
2012-11-14 02:40:30 PM  

cwheelie: Fark 'em. Go IDF.


I tried to reply with a list of a the Israeli terrorism, but it broke the internet.

To paraphrase my ganja-smoking friends, both sides are bad so don't support either.
 
2012-11-14 02:40:36 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: nmemkha: willyfreddy: He looked at me, blankly, for a few seconds, and then simply stated "I'd wipe them all out."
"Who?"
"The Palestinians."
"What do you mean?"
"Simple. Kill every single Palestinian that's alive. It's the only solution."

Its their "Final Solution" to the "Palestinian Problem". Many Jews seem to have same opinion of Palestinians as Germans had of them during WW II.

Talk about your Stockholm Syndrome.

Were the Jews actually saying that they should wipeout the Germans prior to the Holocost? The Palestinians were have been saying this for a long time. And it isn't as if the Israeli's haven't been attacked by their neighbors several times in the last 50 years.


Yeah ever since Israel started taking their land by force, piece by piece. I'd be pissed too and so would you.
 
2012-11-14 02:40:56 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: thisisarepeat: I think its in our best interest for these people to keep killing each other, we just need to keep subsidizing which ever side is loosing at the moment so we can maximize casualties on both sides. See also: Syria

Sorta like what Israel did during Iraq-Iran war?


I never claimed it was an original idea :)
 
2012-11-14 02:41:36 PM  
They are all just confused. They were told they live in The Holey Land and didn't see enough holes.
 
2012-11-14 02:41:51 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: lordjupiter: We send countries money because if we don't, someone else will, and then what? Then it's only a matter of time before one or two countries (Russia and China, most likely) gain a controlling stake in all these teetering countries and we're once again isolated on the Risk board.

This is the oddest argument I have ever read


It's cold war-think. It's what got 50,000 Americans slaughtered in Nam for nothing.
 
2012-11-14 02:42:06 PM  

Go Fast Turn Left:

kenchilds.com

ZOMG YUM!

willyfreddy: "You've had it for hours, and I would like a turn" I said.
"You are so selfish. You are just like the farking Palestinians" he proclaimed.


To be clear, what I suggested was that I take the bottom part of the armrest for a while, and he could still have the top, whereas for the previous several hours he had had the entire armrest.
 
2012-11-14 02:42:47 PM  

thisisarepeat: Mid_mo_mad_man: thisisarepeat: I think its in our best interest for these people to keep killing each other, we just need to keep subsidizing which ever side is loosing at the moment so we can maximize casualties on both sides. See also: Syria

Sorta like what Israel did during Iraq-Iran war?

I never claimed it was an original idea :)


Just a good one
 
2012-11-14 02:43:10 PM  

Blue_Blazer: cwheelie: Fark 'em. Go IDF.

I tried to reply with a list of a the Israeli terrorism, but it broke the internet.

To paraphrase my ganja-smoking friends, both sides are bad so don't support either.


This is the correct answer.

We should have no involvement with these people. If Israel defeats everyone in the region, fine, I don't care. As long as we're not involved in it.
 
2012-11-14 02:43:29 PM  

nmemkha: globalwarmingpraiser: nmemkha: willyfreddy: He looked at me, blankly, for a few seconds, and then simply stated "I'd wipe them all out."
"Who?"
"The Palestinians."
"What do you mean?"
"Simple. Kill every single Palestinian that's alive. It's the only solution."

Its their "Final Solution" to the "Palestinian Problem". Many Jews seem to have same opinion of Palestinians as Germans had of them during WW II.

Talk about your Stockholm Syndrome.

Were the Jews actually saying that they should wipeout the Germans prior to the Holocost? The Palestinians were have been saying this for a long time. And it isn't as if the Israeli's haven't been attacked by their neighbors several times in the last 50 years.

Yeah ever since Israel started taking their land by force, piece by piece. I'd be pissed too and so would you.


I am against the settlements, but I understand them taking the land they did after they were attacked.
 
2012-11-14 02:45:05 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Masquerader317: ciberido: Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?

globalwarmingpraiser: Are you an AP stringer for Reuters?

He's She's probably a Marine stay at home mom of four.

FTFY. 0_o

It is a fark meme oh and the obligatory Tits or GTFO, make me a sammich...etc.


FYI, your music isn't my type, but you have a great voice.
 
2012-11-14 02:45:53 PM  

Russky: I think most people understand both sides are at fault and nobody is totally in the 'right' here. Now that i said that I'm sure some douche will call me an anti-semite, usually how it goes.


Kraftwerk Orange: Judaism and Islam are both Semitic religions. So however someone wants to take your comment - blame the Jews, blame the Muslims - either way you're anti-semitic.



Actually, no.

1) Judaism and Islam are both Abrahamic religions (as is Christianity). There is such a thing as a "Semitic religion" but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

2) I realize that the history and etymology of "Semitic" would lead you to think that "antisemitism" could refer to bigotry against Jewish OR other Semitic people, but that is not the case. Allow me to quote Wikipedia:

'' While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"), and that has been its normal use since then. ''

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2012-11-14 02:47:17 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: nmemkha: globalwarmingpraiser: nmemkha: willyfreddy: He looked at me, blankly, for a few seconds, and then simply stated "I'd wipe them all out."
"Who?"
"The Palestinians."
"What do you mean?"
"Simple. Kill every single Palestinian that's alive. It's the only solution."

Its their "Final Solution" to the "Palestinian Problem". Many Jews seem to have same opinion of Palestinians as Germans had of them during WW II.

Talk about your Stockholm Syndrome.

Were the Jews actually saying that they should wipeout the Germans prior to the Holocost? The Palestinians were have been saying this for a long time. And it isn't as if the Israeli's haven't been attacked by their neighbors several times in the last 50 years.

Yeah ever since Israel started taking their land by force, piece by piece. I'd be pissed too and so would you.

I am against the settlements, but I understand them taking the land they did after they were attacked.


So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.
 
2012-11-14 02:47:26 PM  
And we can trust all of this information about rocket attacks because Israel said so?

A Zionist zealot would happily blow up his own for another hectare or two.

King David Hotel.
 
2012-11-14 02:48:07 PM  

Masquerader317: ciberido: Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?

globalwarmingpraiser: Are you an AP stringer for Reuters?

He's She's probably a Marine stay at home mom of four.

FTFY. 0_o


Old Fark meme. Someone claimed they were a Marine and served in the "core" instead of the corps. It deteriorated from there. Surprised to see it referenced really.
 
2012-11-14 02:50:28 PM  

thisisarepeat: Raharu: Silly Jesus: MY SKY WIZARD IS BETTER THAN YOUR SKY WIZARD!!!!!

NO! MY SKY WIZARD IS BETTER THAN YOUR SKY WIZARD!!!!

[kdmedianow.com image 400x300]



The idiots deserve each others.

Possibly the first intelligent thing Ive ever seen you type.

Seconded. Silly Jesus is on one of my "favorites" lists. I only have three lists. "average intelligence/badge licker/fundamentalist" "Urban" and "feminist coont" I think i should add "Jew" just to further outrage anyone looking over my shoulder.


I have two lists... "Smrt" and "Potato." Go on, guess.
 
2012-11-14 02:51:49 PM  

PhoenixInFlames: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: PhoenixInFlames: Israel started this one. Airstrikes and killing military leaders = not good, and going to end in retaliation.

*sigh* Can we just sever all ties with everyone in the Middle East, Israel included? It's like having a little brother who knows you can kick ass, and insists on starting shiat with their classmates cuz they know you'll defend them.

Wait, what? Hamas launches over 100 rockets/missiles at you over the course of a few days/weeks, but responding with a precision strike that takes out 1 car that happens to contain the person IN CHARGE of launching hundreds of rockets/missiles is "starting this one"

/facepalm

Hamas is ALWAYS launching rockets into Israel. I doubt a month goes by without them flinging some random explosive into Israel.

Israel usually retaliates with a little launching of their own, reacting on-par with the level given to them. Usually.. Sometimes they react a little more aggressively, but typically it's tit-for-tat.

If they thought that taking out a leader in Hamas was going to end well, they were fools.


Why is this acceptable?
 
2012-11-14 02:52:48 PM  

willfullyobscure: SkunkWerks: willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE

Funny enough from the standpoint of the history of human society, the point at which religion goes from worshiping feminine nature-based figures to revering male deities is typically shortly after you've seen the move from roaming, hunting and gathering societies that depend a lot on luck to survive (finding food, no ill turns in the weather which push herds away from their typical gathering places, and s on) to agrarian societies that don't move around much and whose survival depends largely on having big stockpiles of stuff.

Stuff you can take by force.

Then it's handy to make God a man 'cause, yanno, war's a man's game and all. All the Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity, Islam, and yes, Judaism)share more or less the same male deity, soooo.... you get this.

That is an extraordinarily charitable view of polytheistic feminine nature-based figures you've got there, fella.

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Shiva (the pic) is a male. Look up Kali if you want female violent.
 
2012-11-14 02:53:12 PM  

willyfreddy: I once took a very long bus ride in South America, and was seated next to a guy from Florida. We talked very pleasantly for a good few hours, about a variety of subjects, and then the topic of Israel and Palestine came up. He would later tell me that he was Jewish, but that hadn't come up in the conversation prior to that point. Anyhow, he asked me for my opinion about the conflict and, considering that I was in the midst of reading a lot about that part of the world, I gave (what I thought to be) a very nuanced answer that probably took about 10 minutes to properly lay out.

He looked at me, blankly, for a few seconds, and then simply stated "I'd wipe them all out."
"Who?"
"The Palestinians."
"What do you mean?"
"Simple. Kill every single Palestinian that's alive. It's the only solution.".


(Elcor mode: sincerely, without sarcasm)
Thanks for sharing that with us .
(Elcor mode off)

I'm tempted to make a comparison to Cuban exiles living in Florida, but I don't know enough about either group to be sure I wouldn't sound dumb.
 
2012-11-14 02:53:23 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Why is this acceptable?


The rockets are filled with chocolate, clearly.
 
2012-11-14 02:54:25 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

VS

fullmetalcynic.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-14 02:55:05 PM  

RedVentrue: willfullyobscure: SkunkWerks: willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE

Funny enough from the standpoint of the history of human society, the point at which religion goes from worshiping feminine nature-based figures to revering male deities is typically shortly after you've seen the move from roaming, hunting and gathering societies that depend a lot on luck to survive (finding food, no ill turns in the weather which push herds away from their typical gathering places, and s on) to agrarian societies that don't move around much and whose survival depends largely on having big stockpiles of stuff.

Stuff you can take by force.

Then it's handy to make God a man 'cause, yanno, war's a man's game and all. All the Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity, Islam, and yes, Judaism)share more or less the same male deity, soooo.... you get this.

That is an extraordinarily charitable view of polytheistic feminine nature-based figures you've got there, fella.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 394x549]

Shiva (the pic) is a male. Look up Kali if you want female violent.


Sorry, that was Kali. My bad.
 
2012-11-14 02:55:15 PM  

SkunkWerks: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Why is this acceptable?

The rockets are filled with chocolate, clearly.


And the rocket attacks are not part of a false flag operation intended to give Israel the pretense she has been searching for, clearly.
 
2012-11-14 02:55:37 PM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Mid_mo_mad_man:
So following your reasoning Canada should belong to the Danes since they where the first to settle it?

As a part Native American man, I can say:

[img21.imageshack.us image 333x200]

You're racist.

Taking over a land and killing off all who've been there for thousands of years doesn't exactly put you on the moral high ground when it comes to ethical considerations of whose land it was. Whether that be the case with the native tribes of the Americas or the native Semitic tribes of the middle east. Yet, ethics are never so simple, are they?

Plus, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Offering up and considering an alternative perspective with an explanation of its grounds is not the same as taking a position. Not everyone is as simplistic in their thinking as you.


How big of a part is it? Is it a little, pretty much employable part or a big, vanilla swilling, dynamite fishing, "no one else can has casino" part?
 
2012-11-14 02:55:47 PM  
ciberido: But some people's minds simply cannot comprehend that level of nuance and thus mistake it for hypocrisy.

onyxruby: Just because you have limited ability to read nuance does not mean that people with oppositional views do.


Ah, the old "Rubber and Glue" argument. I confess myself mistaken. You are indeed a master of subtlety and nuance.
 
2012-11-14 02:55:50 PM  

nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.


So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.
 
2012-11-14 02:56:03 PM  

Silly Jesus: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 409x545]

VS

[fullmetalcynic.files.wordpress.com image 299x400]



Can we do a before and after, say of about 30 years?
 
2012-11-14 02:56:08 PM  
To all the myopic idiots posting that this, in actuality, has anything to do with religion.

Please grow the fark up.
 
2012-11-14 02:56:44 PM  

RedVentrue: Look up Kali if you want female violent.


And, while you're at it, maybe skip Hinduism entirely because it has about as much to do with female, nature-based religions as a Hasidim has with a pork chop barbeque.

That said, Kali would probably straiten this mess out. She gets shiat done.
 
2012-11-14 02:57:02 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Silly Jesus: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 409x545]

VS

[fullmetalcynic.files.wordpress.com image 299x400]


Can we do a before and after, say of about 30 years?


You mean an older woman v a crater?
 
2012-11-14 02:57:04 PM  
topcon: I'll say it again: The far left loves Muslims for some kooky reason.

Muslims are perceived by the left to be underdogs. And the left worships underdogs. Regardless of the actual issues. Anything that goes against "the man" is good in their eyes. Automatically.

You would think that in a contest between a tolerant, democratic, free society vs. an intolerant, anti-democratic, not free society, the so-called liberals would support the freer society, not the women stoning, gay hanging barbarians.

But Israel is successful and dominant, which makes them "the establishment" They are thus automatically evil, and the underdog muslims virtuous and wonderful.
 
2012-11-14 02:58:31 PM  

boogie_down: myopic idiots


Glasses make you a nerd. And lame. Play moar footballs.
 
2012-11-14 02:58:39 PM  

boogie_down: To all the myopic idiots posting that this, in actuality, has anything to do with religion.

Please grow the fark up.


Explain.
 
2012-11-14 02:59:26 PM  

ciberido: A better example would be the ACLU showing support for same-sex marriage one day and defending the Westboro Baptist Church's right to condemn gays the next. It might seem hypocritical or confusing to people who think the entire world is divided into two teams which are polar opposites of each other.


Except the ACLU is a civil rights organization and has defended Westboro Baptist Church as well as others. They have a /consistent/ stand on free speech rights, even when they don't like the people they are defending. My point is with regards to people that change what they consider ethical based on whom the victim is. Bad example.
 
2012-11-14 02:59:26 PM  

marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.


Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.
 
2012-11-14 02:59:40 PM  

mark12A: topcon: I'll say it again: The far left loves Muslims for some kooky reason.

Muslims are perceived by the left to be underdogs. And the left worships underdogs. Regardless of the actual issues. Anything that goes against "the man" is good in their eyes. Automatically.

You would think that in a contest between a tolerant, democratic, free society vs. an intolerant, anti-democratic, not free society, the so-called liberals would support the freer society, not the women stoning, gay hanging barbarians.

But Israel is successful and dominant, which makes them "the establishment" They are thus automatically evil, and the underdog muslims virtuous and wonderful.


Generalizations, how do they work?
 
2012-11-14 02:59:41 PM  
thedisorderofthings.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-14 02:59:46 PM  

Silly Jesus: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 409x545]

VS

[fullmetalcynic.files.wordpress.com image 299x400]


That second one probably isn't a woman.

/with Man hands like that, I ain't taking no chances.
 
2012-11-14 02:59:48 PM  

jso2897: It's cold war-think. It's what got 50,000 Americans slaughtered in Nam for nothing.


Not only that but the idea that the Cold War wasn't a completely unique thing that could happen again. There is no more World Wars, just skirmishes.
 
2012-11-14 03:00:48 PM  

marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.


What America did you the Native Americans is an apt comparison. Like Nazi did to the Jews, Israel has concentrated Palestinians into impoverished ghettos and controls their movement. So we agree that Israel is using the tactics of brutal regimes. Like employing White Phosphorus on Palestinian children, for instance.
 
2012-11-14 03:02:00 PM  

ciberido: ciberido:


I noticed that with over 10 years of Fark archives you didn't try to find a single example to prove me wrong. Surely you can find at least one example showing the /nuance/ you talked about, right? Attack my argument, not me, is that so hard?
 
2012-11-14 03:02:19 PM  
If the US simply MUST do something about this, try this on for size:

Move out the entire civilian population. Give them a chunk of land that isn't being used for awhile, like out in Nevada or something. Let all the morons who actually care about "The Holy Land" fight it out until there is a clear winner. Clean up the mess, and move the civilians back in.

I think that most of the people on both sides would rather be left alone to do their own thing. It's just the special few that want to be dicks and blow sit up Because God Said SoTM
 
2012-11-14 03:02:51 PM  

mark12A: topcon: I'll say it again: a tolerant, democratic, free society


Is this supposed to be a description of the prison-keepers known as Israel?
LAUGH OUT farkING LOUD
 
2012-11-14 03:03:36 PM  
I hope Israel invades Lebanon again. It went swimmingly last time.
 
2012-11-14 03:05:16 PM  

Silly Jesus: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 409x545]

VS

[fullmetalcynic.files.wordpress.com image 299x400]


If I have to visit either of the possible in-laws, I'll take the PKM.
 
2012-11-14 03:05:28 PM  
images.sodahead.com

The rest of the civilized world is so over it. So. Over. It.
 
2012-11-14 03:07:04 PM  

mark12A: topcon: I'll say it again: The far left loves Muslims for some kooky reason.

Muslims are perceived by the left to be underdogs. And the left worships underdogs. Regardless of the actual issues. Anything that goes against "the man" is good in their eyes. Automatically.

You would think that in a contest between a tolerant, democratic, free society vs. an intolerant, anti-democratic, not free society, the so-called liberals would support the freer society, not the women stoning, gay hanging barbarians.

But Israel is successful and dominant, which makes them "the establishment" They are thus automatically evil, and the underdog muslims virtuous and wonderful.


I confess that there is a degree of truth to this. Liberals do tend to like the underdog and there is thus a tendency to take the side of whoever is perceived to be the underdog in any given situation, all other things being equal.

Any by "a degree of truth," I mean you have, of course, taken a valid observation and cranked it past 11 and to the point of parody. And this again goes back to the point of fetishizing black-and-white thinking because of fundamental inability to appreciate nuance.  "Liberals have a tendency to do this sometimes" becomes "LIBURALS ALWAYS DO THIS!1!!"
 
2012-11-14 03:07:56 PM  

nmemkha: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

What America did you the Native Americans is an apt comparison. Like Nazi did to the Jews, Israel has concentrated Palestinians into impoverished ghettos and controls their movement. So we agree that Israel is using the tactics of brutal regimes. Like employing White Phosphorus on Palestinian children, for instance.


Quoted for truth. I have never seen any of the suckers of Israel's cock suggest a solution, besides a Final Solution, to the Palestinian Question.
 
2012-11-14 03:08:31 PM  

Amusement: The best and only way to beat Israel is not to find toe to toe. Israel will always win in a violent struggle. Economics is the only way to win.


They're going to defeat Israel by out-trading a country full of Jews?
 
2012-11-14 03:08:32 PM  

mayIFark: NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

Oh yeah? As President Clinton Famously said, "Arithmetic".

How many Israelis were killed by Hamas rocket, and how many Palestinians killed by IDF?

Something like 0/500?


Being bad at something doesn't negate the intent.
 
2012-11-14 03:08:32 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: SkunkWerks: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Why is this acceptable?

The rockets are filled with chocolate, clearly.

And the rocket attacks are not part of a false flag operation intended to give Israel the pretense she has been searching for, clearly.


If this is what you think, you are most likely beyond help.
 
2012-11-14 03:08:36 PM  

Blue_Blazer: Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."


No, we'd give them some rocks to live on. Then when we found oil under those rocks, we'd kick them off the rocks.

In addition to "having God on your side" exclusively, it helps a ton if you make a habit of regarding the people you displace as something less than human. It makes getting to sleep at night easier, after all.
 
2012-11-14 03:08:50 PM  

Blue_Blazer: mark12A: topcon: I'll say it again: a tolerant, democratic, free society

Is this supposed to be a description of the prison-keepers known as Israel?
LAUGH OUT farkING LOUD


http://www.gaytlvguide.com/

Link

www.gaytlvguide.com

www.gaytlvguide.com

Now show us websites advertising gay tourism in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, U.A.E., etc. 

Israeli law recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. It is the only country in the Middle East and all of Asia to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel
 
2012-11-14 03:10:56 PM  

Silly Jesus: boogie_down: To all the myopic idiots posting that this, in actuality, has anything to do with religion.

Please grow the fark up.

Explain.


No.

Read a farking book. Learn something and form your own opinion for once in your life. Grow the fark up.
 
2012-11-14 03:12:20 PM  

topcon: I'm far right now? Neat. Might want to read my profile. I'm areligious, support gay rights, abortion, health care reform, and a bunch of other stuff the right hates.

 

I could care less what your profile says. Less so whether you consider yourself to be far right, far left, or neither. I respond to what you say in the thread, not to who you say you are.

But if it makes you feel any better, I am not condemning you personally so much as a mindset which, rightly or wrongly, I felt your post exemplified. If that is indeed not indicative of your true thoughts on the matter, or if I exaggerated or misinterpreted what you said, good on you. 

Take it as a sign that I misjudged you or painted with too broad a brush if you will. I freely admit I am not perfect.
 
2012-11-14 03:12:40 PM  

Blue_Blazer: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.


False equivalency. Israel did not "take their land."

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, gave up their claims.

Of course, those pieces of land still had a lot of the aforementioned Arabs and now their descendants. What to do? Answer that, and you'll get a Nobel Prize.
 
2012-11-14 03:13:47 PM  
Great_Milenko: "really, is your invisible sky fairy worth all this?"

You really think it's about religion?
And not, say, generations of blood feuding and cynical land/power grabs?

Religion is an excuse; a mere marketing pitch to get the people on board who have to do the actual murdering and being murdered.
No religion is *actually* preaching war for the personal enrichment of the ruling class.

Opportunists are twisting religious history and doctrine to *justify* said war. That they want, for their own personal enrichment.
 
2012-11-14 03:14:18 PM  

topcon: Blue_Blazer: mark12A: topcon: I'll say it again: a tolerant, democratic, free society

Is this supposed to be a description of the prison-keepers known as Israel?
LAUGH OUT farkING LOUD

http://www.gaytlvguide.com/

Link

[www.gaytlvguide.com image 233x420]

[www.gaytlvguide.com image 233x420]

Now show us websites advertising gay tourism in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, U.A.E., etc. 

Israeli law recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. It is the only country in the Middle East and all of Asia to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel


This has nothing to do with my point, namely, continued human rights abuse.
And, for your enjoyment:
www.instablogs.com
 
2012-11-14 03:15:25 PM  
Israel has shown restraint over months of rocket attacks. If rocket attacks happened here in America, how fast would we go to war? Within minutes.

Israel cannot defend itself against rocket attacks? Why?
 
2012-11-14 03:15:43 PM  

boogie_down: Silly Jesus: boogie_down: To all the myopic idiots posting that this, in actuality, has anything to do with religion.

Please grow the fark up.

Explain.

No.

Read a farking book.


www.prometheusbooks.com
 
2012-11-14 03:16:24 PM  

onyxruby: ciberido: A better example would be the ACLU showing support for same-sex marriage one day and defending the Westboro Baptist Church's right to condemn gays the next. It might seem hypocritical or confusing to people who think the entire world is divided into two teams which are polar opposites of each other.

Except the ACLU is a civil rights organization and has defended Westboro Baptist Church as well as others. They have a /consistent/ stand on free speech rights, even when they don't like the people they are defending. My point is with regards to people that change what they consider ethical based on whom the victim is. Bad example.


One of us used a bad example, yes. Perhaps we disagree on which one. 

My point is as you say about the ACLU: we are talking about a group which is comprised of either

A) people that change what they consider ethical based on whom the victim is
-or-
B) people who have a have a /consistent/ stand on civil rights, even when they don't like the people they are defending.

It would seem that you have picked (A) and I (B).
 
2012-11-14 03:16:47 PM  

boogie_down: Silly Jesus: boogie_down: To all the myopic idiots posting that this, in actuality, has anything to do with religion.

Please grow the fark up.

Explain.

No.

Read a farking book. Learn something and form your own opinion for once in your life. Grow the fark up.


DIAF
 
2012-11-14 03:16:55 PM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Israel has shown restraint over months of rocket attacks. If rocket attacks happened here in America, how fast would we go to war? Within minutes.

Israel cannot defend itself against rocket attacks? Why?


Because we need to defend Islam no matter how many of them kill Americans because it's just a small handful of them that are terrorists and there really aren't any terrorists anyway.
 
2012-11-14 03:17:24 PM  
Well,this certainly beats the hell out of "Twins Tag Team The Generals".
 
2012-11-14 03:17:47 PM  

Blue_Blazer: topcon: Blue_Blazer: mark12A: topcon: I'll say it again: a tolerant, democratic, free society

Is this supposed to be a description of the prison-keepers known as Israel?
LAUGH OUT farkING LOUD

http://www.gaytlvguide.com/

Link

[www.gaytlvguide.com image 233x420]

[www.gaytlvguide.com image 233x420]

Now show us websites advertising gay tourism in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, U.A.E., etc. 

Israeli law recognizes same-sex marriages performed elsewhere. It is the only country in the Middle East and all of Asia to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel

This has nothing to do with my point, namely, continued human rights abuse.
And, for your enjoyment:
[www.instablogs.com image 460x211]


Eskimo kisses?
 
2012-11-14 03:18:31 PM  
So Israel was attacked and provoked repeatedly until the point they got pissed off and biatch slapped a yapping whelp.
 
2012-11-14 03:18:43 PM  

onyxruby: ciberido: ciberido:

I noticed that with over 10 years of Fark archives you didn't try to find a single example to prove me wrong. Surely you can find at least one example showing the /nuance/ you talked about, right? Attack my argument, not me, is that so hard?


I'm not trying to "prove you wrong." Nor do I have the time or inclination to dance to your tune. If you think that you "win" if I don't answer every challenge to your satisfaction, then enjoy your "victory."
 
2012-11-14 03:19:50 PM  
animesalvation.com 
Obvious
 
2012-11-14 03:20:07 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I think there is only one way to settle this. Jello

For the Jews:

[img849.imageshack.us image 450x590]

For Hamas:

Do they have chicks in Hamas?


Yea but cant tell if they are hot or not

www.sott.net
 
2012-11-14 03:20:28 PM  

ciberido: topcon: I'm far right now? Neat. Might want to read my profile. I'm areligious, support gay rights, abortion, health care reform, and a bunch of other stuff the right hates. 

I could care less what your profile says. Less so whether you consider yourself to be far right, far left, or neither. I respond to what you say in the thread, not to who you say you are.

But if it makes you feel any better, I am not condemning you personally so much as a mindset which, rightly or wrongly, I felt your post exemplified. If that is indeed not indicative of your true thoughts on the matter, or if I exaggerated or misinterpreted what you said, good on you. 

Take it as a sign that I misjudged you or painted with too broad a brush if you will. I freely admit I am not perfect.


I'm just telling you what I see here on a regular basis, in a nutshell:

American Christians = bad, need to be destroyed.

Foreign Muslims = good, must be preserved.

That's a simplification, but it's true. All this despite the religion of Islam being incompatible with freedoms humanity deserves that the left espouses, that everyone should ideally believe in. And I realize that many of these beliefs are shared with Christianity...but not many Christian-majority nations beat, imprison, and behead women who try to drive, get an education, or wear pants, or murder people who might even be SUSPECTED of being homosexual.

The difference between this majority "self identified" Christian nation of America is, even gay dudes can go out in public holding hands, or even kissing in public. How many majority-Muslim countries can they do that in? Parts of Turkey, maybe?
 
2012-11-14 03:20:56 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Eskimo kisses?


As someone who is part Eskimo, I take umbrage at that.
 
2012-11-14 03:20:59 PM  

bostonguy: Blue_Blazer: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.

False equivalency. Israel did not "take their land."

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, gave up th ...


I appreciate your take on this, but you are leaving out that the land, as you say, did not belong to the Palestinians who lived there, but rather belonged to Egypt and Jordan. So yeah, they didn't really care either way, they weren't using it anyway.
So yes, it was never legally Palestinian land, but it was, in fact, Palestinian land.
 
2012-11-14 03:21:13 PM  
What America did you the Native Americans is an apt comparison. Like Nazi did to the Jews, Israel has concentrated Palestinians into impoverished ghettos and controls their movement. So we agree that Israel is using the tactics of brutal regimes. Like employing White Phosphorus on Palestinian children, for instance.

Quoted for truth. I have never seen any of the suckers of Israel's cock suggest a solution, besides a Final Solution, to the Palestinian Question.


How about this for a Final Solution: Palestinians stop attacking Israelis every farking chance they get. Maybe stop acting like non-story irrational mad dogs and try to work out a deal. Stop teaching their children non-stop to hate Jews.

If the Palistinians HAD ANY BRAINS AT ALL, they would gain the favor of the world, and Israel, by responsibly running the Gaza Strip as a democratic, fair and just society, instead of just another Islamic thugocracy.

Before Israel existed, the Jews bought some desert wasteland (Haifa), SOLD TO THEM BY ARABS, developed it into something productive, which the Arabs then turned around and tried to take back.

Maybe the muslims should try doing something productive, for once.
 
2012-11-14 03:22:33 PM  
Ah, WWIII, just in time for the Mayans to be right.
 
2012-11-14 03:23:30 PM  

Silly Jesus: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 409x545]

VS

[fullmetalcynic.files.wordpress.com image 299x400]


I notice the one on the bottom has her nails done. Must be shopped. No self respecting Jihadess would mark her body with whore paint
 
2012-11-14 03:24:13 PM  

bostonguy: Blue_Blazer: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.

False equivalency. Israel did not "take their land."

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, gave up th ...


Of course the Jews accepted, they had nothing. It would like France invading America tomorrow and then giving America back to Native Americans because they owned it back in the day. Then concentrating all the present day Americans into internment camps and controlling their movements and keeping them in enforced poverty through blockades and the like. Do you think Americans would fight back?
 
2012-11-14 03:24:15 PM  
Looks like there will be more money made in scrap metal than making tall cranes or long metal cylinders today. That's your Gaza strip economic report.
 
2012-11-14 03:27:10 PM  
Regardless of the ideology on either side, who doesn't know by now that if you piss off the Israelis they WILL turn you into a grease spot?
 
2012-11-14 03:27:56 PM  

mark12A:



How about this for a Final Solution: Israelis stop attacking Palestinians every farking chance they get. Maybe stop acting like non-story irrational mad dogs and try to work out a deal. Stop teaching their children non-stop to hate Palestinians.

If the Israelis HAD ANY BRAINS AT ALL, they would gain the favor of the world, and Palestine, by responsibly running the Gaza Strip as a democratic, fair and just society, instead of just another ghetto..


FTFY.
 
2012-11-14 03:29:59 PM  
Good for them. F Hamas. What has Israel ever done wrong? If it wasn't for being constantly threatened with genocide the world would be a better place. That and if Muslims went to Mars.
 
2012-11-14 03:30:49 PM  

ideamaster: JosephFinn: willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE

It seems a bit unfair to blame Judaism for Israel's invasion, attacks on Palestine and piracy in international waters of aid ships to the Gaza Strip.

So which sovereign indian tribe do you belong to?

As for "piracy".

Israel: You are welcome to dock and have your equipment unloaded and inspected by us.

"aid ships": We aren't listening, nananah.

Israel: Stop or you will be boarded and searched

"aid ships": We aren't listening. nananah

Israel: Okay fine. *boards and searches*

Guess what Israel found on those "aid ships" - Munitions!

And for those of you who don't know what munitions are:
military weapons, ammunition, equipment, and stores


For people that can read, but I doubt you care:
http://www.humanevents.com/2010/06/10/gaza-flotilla-group-has-violent - past/

He failed to mention activists had access to knives, metal rods, clubs, bulletproof vests and night vision goggles. Fifty lacked passports while carrying large amounts of cash. Onboard as well were building supplies, such as cement, routinely used by Hamas to construct bunkers in Gaza.


So you admit Israel boarded ships in international and Palestinian waters, committing piracy. They had no right to request or force inspection as the ships were not headed to Israel.
 
2012-11-14 03:31:18 PM  
bostonguy: "Answer that, and you'll get a Nobel Prize."

The problem is that you can't have a country asserting a simultaneous claim to the *right* to a chunk of land but no *responsibilities* to the people who do and have inhabited it for generations. Thus the answers are simple and have long since been hit upon: either A.) relinquish the claim of rights and recognize a sovereign Palestinian State or B.) accept the responsibility and integrate the Palestinians into Israel as full and equal citizens. Short of that, you've just got Apartheid with religious garnish.

The challenge, is in getting two ruling classes to actually implement and stick to these well-understood solutions, due the personal loss of status and power that they would suffer.
 
2012-11-14 03:31:38 PM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6U2ZQ0EhN4&feature=relmfu 

The strike is on You Tube
IDF Pinpoint Strike on Ahmed Jabari, Head of Hamas Military Wing
 
2012-11-14 03:32:52 PM  

stewmadness: Good for them. F Hamas. What has Israel ever done wrong? If it wasn't for being constantly threatened with genocide the world would be a better place. That and if Muslims went to Mars.


I was nodding until I read the last line. Hamas is pretty terrible but I'm not going to link the Palestinian citizens caught in the crossfire as a guilt by association.
 
2012-11-14 03:33:00 PM  
Ponies would solve the problems in the Middle East. 

www.republibot.com
 
2012-11-14 03:33:10 PM  
I'm impressed Israel can maintain living standards while defending so many terrorist and rocket attacks constantly. I picture Israel as a mom holding a kid while cooking dinner and spanking another kid while answering the door and mowing the yard, all at the same time. Good job Israel.
 
2012-11-14 03:34:02 PM  

Blue_Blazer: mark12A:



How about this for a Final Solution: Israelis stop attacking Palestinians every farking chance they get. Maybe stop acting like non-story irrational mad dogs and try to work out a deal. Stop teaching their children non-stop to hate Palestinians.

If the Israelis HAD ANY BRAINS AT ALL, they would gain the favor of the world, and Palestine, by responsibly running the Gaza Strip as a democratic, fair and just society, instead of just another ghetto..

FTFY.


Cant tell if you are a troll or just a retard.
 
2012-11-14 03:35:18 PM  

Joe Blowme: Blue_Blazer: mark12A:



How about this for a Final Solution: Israelis stop attacking Palestinians every farking chance they get. Maybe stop acting like non-story irrational mad dogs and try to work out a deal. Stop teaching their children non-stop to hate Palestinians.

If the Israelis HAD ANY BRAINS AT ALL, they would gain the favor of the world, and Palestine, by responsibly running the Gaza Strip as a democratic, fair and just society, instead of just another ghetto..

FTFY.

Cant tell if you are a troll or just a retard.


Neither. Please point out what I said that was false.
 
2012-11-14 03:35:32 PM  
the rogue state of israel is a murderer of children.

and no sugar coating can erase this fact.
 
2012-11-14 03:36:01 PM  

ringersol: bostonguy: "Answer that, and you'll get a Nobel Prize."

The problem is that you can't have a country asserting a simultaneous claim to the *right* to a chunk of land but no *responsibilities* to the people who do and have inhabited it for generations. Thus the answers are simple and have long since been hit upon: either A.) relinquish the claim of rights and recognize a sovereign Palestinian State or B.) accept the responsibility and integrate the Palestinians into Israel as full and equal citizens. Short of that, you've just got Apartheid with religious garnish.

The challenge, is in getting two ruling classes to actually implement and stick to these well-understood solutions, due the personal loss of status and power that they would suffer.


There is a third way (which will never happen): Move all the "Palestinians" to Jordan, which would essentially become the Arab half of the British Mandate as had been proposed decades earlier.

Israel could give them money, grants, and everything to leave. Hell, I'd probably vote for a party here in Israel that advocated that. Sure, Israel would get criticized severely for years, but it would result in peace in decades. In fact, it might be the only way to have peace. But Jordan's king does not want to be overthrown.
 
2012-11-14 03:38:12 PM  

ciberido: 1) Judaism and Islam are both Abrahamic religions (as is Christianity). There is such a thing as a "Semitic religion" but it doesn't mean what you think it means.


It's interesting that in your reference to Wikipedia, you missed this:

"Religion

In a religious context, the term 'Semitic' can refer to the religions associated with the speakers of these languages: thus Judaism, Christianity and Islam are often described as "Semitic religions" (irrespective of language family spoken by their adherents). Manicheanism and the Mandaean religion also fall within this category."

It goes on to point out (and I agree) that Abrahamic Religion is more commonly used. However, there's nothing inherently wrong with describing Judaism and Islam as "Semitic" religions. It's the way my history professors referred to them, so I feel quite comfortable continuing to do so myself.

Further, here is a University of Washington (not my alma mater, but easily found for quick linky) International Studies Comparative Religion class schedule:

RELIG 201 Introduction to World Religions: Western Traditions (5) I&S Wellman
History of religions, concentrating on religious traditions that have developed west of the Indus. Primary attention to the Semitic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) and to their ancient world background with emphasis on basic conceptual and symbolic structures.
 
2012-11-14 03:39:44 PM  

bostonguy: Blue_Blazer: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.

False equivalency. Israel did not "take their land."

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, gave up th ...


Turn both the West Bank and Gaza into Palestine. If Jordan and Egypt don't want them back and it's a thorn in Israel's side.

Hamas can then figure out how to put in plumbing instead of bombs. Israel then looks generous for giving land back. Win-Win.

Do those strips of land have ANYTHING valuable on them?
 
2012-11-14 03:40:58 PM  
I don't care what Israel does. They shouldn't ne doing it on the US's dime.
 
2012-11-14 03:41:45 PM  
You know who we should go too for thoughtful analysis on the situation, Republicans.

When have they been wrong about anything?
 
2012-11-14 03:43:06 PM  
I hope one of isreal's nukes accidentally explodes it its silo...

www.fbastard.com
 
2012-11-14 03:43:23 PM  

shortymac: Do those strips of land have ANYTHING valuable on them?


One desert clan thinks the sand is their holy sand, and another desert clan think the sand is THEIR holy sand.

The Marvel comic Rising Stars had an interesting little endgame for the middle-east.
 
2012-11-14 03:45:23 PM  
"Sky wizard/fairy"

Is it possible for you guys to have any shred of originality?
 
2012-11-14 03:45:28 PM  
the zionists shouldn't be there in the first place.

it's not their land.
 
2012-11-14 03:49:01 PM  

Bauer: the zionists shouldn't be there in the first place.

it's not their land.


It was back in the 11th century BC
Archaeology how does it work?
 
2012-11-14 03:49:31 PM  

Bauer: the rogue state of israel is a murderer of children.

and no sugar coating can erase this fact.


I'm going to tell you the difference between Iran and Israel:

One is a nation that is becoming more and more ultra-nationalist in its treatment of foreigners and its people when they are out of line and dreams of wiping out their enemies in a nuclear fire in the name of their God.

The other is a nation that is becoming more and more ultra-nationalist in its treatment of foreigners, its people when they are out of line and dreams of wiping their enemies in a nuclear fire in the name of their God...and gets backed up by almost all of the Western nations.
 
2012-11-14 03:49:38 PM  

Mazzic518: I hope one of isreal's nukes accidentally explodes it its silo...

[www.fbastard.com image 680x450]


that would be so sweet.

-how is it even remotely fair to the region that israel has nuclear weapons...and gets away with murder?

they did not "invent" them...so they have no moral compass against using them.

they will...if they feel they can do it...and get away with it.

that will be their great undoing.

"do as i say...not as i do"
 
2012-11-14 03:50:06 PM  
And I was complaining there was nothing good to watch on TV...

/Problem solved
 
2012-11-14 03:50:32 PM  

shortymac: bostonguy: Blue_Blazer: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.

False equivalency. Israel did not "take their land."

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, ...


Well, just like every proposed solution, there's a bad side. Aside from the benefits you mention, this is what Israelis worry about:

Say Hamas or other extremists take over the West Bank (whether through elections or their ongoing civil war with Fatah) at some point. Then you'd have Tel Aviv, the airport, and all major population centers in easy rocket range. That's the objective concern. Hence my idea above about making Jordan the "Palestinian state."
 
2012-11-14 03:51:52 PM  

Joe Blowme: Bauer: the zionists shouldn't be there in the first place.

it's not their land.

It was back in the 11th century BC
Archaeology how does it work?


tell that to all of the murdered native americans.

your soul?

-you have none.

how does that work?
 
2012-11-14 03:52:18 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood: Go Fast Turn Left: I clearly have to do everything around here.
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Meh,

Muslim women are hotter

/I think it's the hijab


Hijabs can be very sexy (and very NSFW)
 
2012-11-14 03:53:13 PM  
static.igossip.com

Ham-ass?
 
2012-11-14 03:53:38 PM  

shortymac: bostonguy: Blue_Blazer: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.

False equivalency. Israel did not "take their land."

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, ...


Israeli seem to think so, they are continually snatching it away for settlements because Jews want cheap land.
 
2012-11-14 03:54:10 PM  

Bauer: the zionists shouldn't be there in the first place.

it's not their land.


See the history above here:

http://www.fark.com/comments/7434006/80693194#c80693194
 
2012-11-14 03:54:56 PM  
every day...israel fulfills it's destiny as the nation that destroyed itself.

the very definition of darwinism.

they are their own worst enemy.
 
2012-11-14 03:56:25 PM  

Coelacanth: I wish to God that the Middle East would sink into the sea so the rest of us could live our lives in peace!


Sink enough so all the oil is in international water then just send in BP lol
 
2012-11-14 03:56:51 PM  
Control + F ..typey typey "Tasuma" = Phrase not found.
 
2012-11-14 03:57:16 PM  

Fear the Clam: [static.igossip.com image 401x271]

Ham-ass?


lol
 
2012-11-14 03:59:20 PM  

Bauer: Joe Blowme: Bauer: the zionists shouldn't be there in the first place.

it's not their land.

It was back in the 11th century BC
Archaeology how does it work?

tell that to all of the murdered native americans.

your soul?

-you have none.

how does that work?


Bering Land Bridge, how did it work?
History is your friend

/
 
2012-11-14 04:02:17 PM  

Frank N Stein: "Sky wizard/fairy"

Is it possible for you guys to have any shred of originality?


Are you farking shiatting me?!
 
2012-11-14 04:02:20 PM  

nmemkha: shortymac: bostonguy: Blue_Blazer: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.

False equivalency. Israel did not "take their land."

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the ...

Israeli seem to think so, they are continually snatching it away for settlements because Jews want cheap land.


Why am I dignifying that with a response. Oh, well.

Look, life in Israel is hard even without the Conflict. Compared to the US, salaries are generally half as much and everything costs twice a much. (It goes into economics, geography, and monopolies here.) Israel has a very high gap between the rich and poor.

Half of the people in the "settlements" are religious Zionists and settle out of devotion. The other half are people just trying to get by and don't want to spend most of their income on rent or a mortgage.

/objectively speaking
 
2012-11-14 04:02:47 PM  

This text is now purple: Amusement: The best and only way to beat Israel is not to find toe to toe. Israel will always win in a violent struggle. Economics is the only way to win.

They're going to defeat Israel by out-trading a country full of Jews?


Good point. They're going to need more Chinese.
 
2012-11-14 04:02:50 PM  
"stop hitting yourself!!"

"stop hitting yourself!!"

"stop hitting yourself!!"
 
2012-11-14 04:03:25 PM  
Crickets Chirping in the White House today. I thought Obama was a foreign policy expert.
He must be out on the golf course.
 
2012-11-14 04:03:33 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: Translation: "Their continual rocket fire into Israel makes it easier to target the source. Gotcha suckers"


FTFY
 
2012-11-14 04:04:11 PM  

ChipNASA: Control + F ..typey typey "Tasuma" = Phrase not found.


Yeah, what the hell happened to ol' turbo jew.
 
2012-11-14 04:04:15 PM  

Bauer: every day...israel fulfills it's destiny as the nation that destroyed itself.

the very definition of darwinism.

they are their own worst enemy.


You been living under a rock or something? Islam is their worst enemy, and humanities as well.
 
2012-11-14 04:06:33 PM  
Good.

The Palis are the brwon trash of the Middle East; the think they can attack at will and not be retaliated against.
 
2012-11-14 04:07:12 PM  

mayIFark: So, how many 5 years old terrorist have they gotten so far?

Get your checkbook ready US citizens. White phosphorous ain't cheap.


But it is effective, were do i donate?
 
2012-11-14 04:07:27 PM  

thisisarepeat: Yeah, what the hell happened to ol' turbo jew.


O'l Turbo Jew??

Ow


I think vacation.
 
2012-11-14 04:07:29 PM  

SkunkWerks: willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE

Funny enough from the standpoint of the history of human society, the point at which religion goes from worshiping feminine nature-based figures to revering male deities is typically shortly after you've seen the move from roaming, hunting and gathering societies that depend a lot on luck to survive (finding food, no ill turns in the weather which push herds away from their typical gathering places, and s on) to agrarian societies that don't move around much and whose survival depends largely on having big stockpiles of stuff.

Stuff you can take by force.

Then it's handy to make God a man 'cause, yanno, war's a man's game and all. All the Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity, Islam, and yes, Judaism)share more or less the same male deity, soooo.... you get this.


Very interesting point, thank you.

I'm not religious myself but find religions fascinating, especially as they relate to the history of mankind. I don't suppose you know of a book or website that goes into further depth about what you said? I'm always looking for new reading material :-)
 
2012-11-14 04:08:58 PM  
to everyone saying it's about sky fairies, Both Zionism and Palestinian nationalism started as parts of secular movements, Zionism was a response to 1800s European ethno-nationalism and Palestinian nationalism as part of the more broad early 1900s Pan-Arabism. The most religious Jews actually oppose the creation of Israel on religious grounds and Pan-Islamism didn't come about till the late 1970s with Hamas being an off shoot of it. The PLO was a secular organization at it's founding
 
2012-11-14 04:09:32 PM  

Shan: Masquerader317: ciberido: Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?

globalwarmingpraiser: Are you an AP stringer for Reuters?

He's She's probably a Marine stay at home mom of four.

FTFY. 0_o

Old Fark meme. Someone claimed they were a Marine and served in the "core" instead of the corps. It deteriorated from there. Surprised to see it referenced really.


He was the best damned Soldier the Core has ever seen!
 
2012-11-14 04:12:35 PM  

mayIFark: NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

Oh yeah? As President Clinton Famously said, "Arithmetic".

How many Israelis were killed by Hamas rocket, and how many Palestinians killed by IDF?

Something like 0/500?


So, should Israel carefully aim their retaliation so that they just barely miss killing anyone?
 
2012-11-14 04:12:48 PM  

thisisarepeat: Frank N Stein: "Sky wizard/fairy"

Is it possible for you guys to have any shred of originality?

Are you farking shiatting me?!


No I'm not. It's a cliche and false portayal of abrahamic religious concept of God.
 
2012-11-14 04:12:56 PM  

topcon: I'm just telling you what I see here on a regular basis, in a nutshell:

American Christians = bad, need to be destroyed.

Foreign Muslims = good, must be preserved.

That's a simplification, but it's true. All this despite the religion of Islam being incompatible with freedoms humanity deserves that the left espouses, that everyone should ideally believe in. And I realize that many of these beliefs are shared with Christianity...but not many Christian-majority nations beat, imprison, and behead women who try to drive, get an education, or wear pants, or murder people who might even be SUSPECTED of being homosexual.

The difference between this majority "self identified" Christian nation of America is, even gay dudes can go out in public holding hands, or even kissing in public. How many majority-Muslim countries can they do that in? Parts of Turkey, maybe?



And I will agree that there is a DEGREE of truth to this, yes. But I cannot help but think some people on Fark greatly exaggerate this tendency, partly because of the whole "nuance" thing and partly because so many Americans and so many Farkers seeing politics as a battle between two teams.

Maybe the world is divided up in some meaningful sense into teams, but if so, there are more than two.

Speaking of dichotomies, the one I most dislike is

Conservative = Christian
Liberal = Atheist
 
2012-11-14 04:13:23 PM  

douchebag/hater: Good.

The Palis are the brwon trash of the Middle East; the think they can attack at will and not be retaliated against.


Seriously. When will the stop oppressing the Israelis and let them live free?!??!?

At least your name is accurate, because your argument is garbage.
 
2012-11-14 04:14:06 PM  

Mazzic518: Shan: Masquerader317: ciberido: Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?

globalwarmingpraiser: Are you an AP stringer for Reuters?

He's She's probably a Marine stay at home mom of four.

FTFY. 0_o

Old Fark meme. Someone claimed they were a Marine and served in the "core" instead of the corps. It deteriorated from there. Surprised to see it referenced really.

He was the best damned Soldier the Core has ever seen!



t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-14 04:14:39 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Hamas is learning that when you open fire, people tend to return fire.


I think Israel is going with Mals philosophy.

"Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back!"
 
2012-11-14 04:15:11 PM  

stewmadness: Good for them. F Hamas. What has Israel ever done wrong?


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2012-11-14 04:15:13 PM  

mark12A: What America did you the Native Americans is an apt comparison. Like Nazi did to the Jews, Israel has concentrated Palestinians into impoverished ghettos and controls their movement. So we agree that Israel is using the tactics of brutal regimes. Like employing White Phosphorus on Palestinian children, for instance.

Quoted for truth. I have never seen any of the suckers of Israel's cock suggest a solution, besides a Final Solution, to the Palestinian Question.

How about this for a Final Solution: Palestinians stop attacking Israelis every farking chance they get. Maybe stop acting like non-story irrational mad dogs and try to work out a deal. Stop teaching their children non-stop to hate Jews.

If the Palistinians HAD ANY BRAINS AT ALL, they would gain the favor of the world, and Israel, by responsibly running the Gaza Strip as a democratic, fair and just society, instead of just another Islamic thugocracy.

Before Israel existed, the Jews bought some desert wasteland (Haifa), SOLD TO THEM BY ARABS, developed it into something productive, which the Arabs then turned around and tried to take back.

Maybe the muslims should try doing something productive, for once.


Of course, you just outed yourself as a sucker of Israeli cock.

Lesson to be learned: NEVER answer a lose-lose question, just ignore poster.
 
2012-11-14 04:16:26 PM  

CujoQuarrel: jehovahs witness protection: Hamas is learning that when you open fire, people tend to return fire.

I think Israel is going with Mals philosophy.

"Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back!"


There's actually a quote in Talmud like that (paraphrased from memory): "If your enemy is coming to kill you in the morning, wake up earlier and kill him first."
 
2012-11-14 04:21:40 PM  

Joe Blowme: Mazzic518: Shan: Masquerader317: ciberido: Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?

globalwarmingpraiser: Are you an AP stringer for Reuters?

He's She's probably a Marine stay at home mom of four.

FTFY. 0_o

Old Fark meme. Someone claimed they were a Marine and served in the "core" instead of the corps. It deteriorated from there. Surprised to see it referenced really.

He was the best damned Soldier the Core has ever seen!


Does anyone have link to the thread? Sounds like a fun read.
 
2012-11-14 04:23:05 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: ciberido: 1) Judaism and Islam are both Abrahamic religions (as is Christianity). There is such a thing as a "Semitic religion" but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

It's interesting that in your reference to Wikipedia, you missed this:

"Religion

In a religious context, the term 'Semitic' can refer to the religions associated with the speakers of these languages: thus Judaism, Christianity and Islam are often described as "Semitic religions" (irrespective of language family spoken by their adherents). Manicheanism and the Mandaean religion also fall within this category."

It goes on to point out (and I agree) that Abrahamic Religion is more commonly used. However, there's nothing inherently wrong with describing Judaism and Islam as "Semitic" religions. It's the way my history professors referred to them, so I feel quite comfortable continuing to do so myself.

Further, here is a University of Washington (not my alma mater, but easily found for quick linky) International Studies Comparative Religion class schedule:

RELIG 201 Introduction to World Religions: Western Traditions (5) I&S Wellman
History of religions, concentrating on religious traditions that have developed west of the Indus. Primary attention to the Semitic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) and to their ancient world background with emphasis on basic conceptual and symbolic structures.


Allow me to repeat the part you misunderstood:

"There is such a thing as a "Semitic religion" but it doesn't mean what you think it means."

You are technically correct in that you CAN describe Judaism and Islam as "Semitic religions," but "Semitic religion" is NOT a synonym for "Abrahamic religion." The terms have distinct meanings.

Since you seem to like doing research, please feel free to continue researching the terms "Semitic religion" and ""Abrahamic religion" until you understand the distinction between the two. On your own time, preferably. 

You might also wish to inform University of Washington that they made a slight error.
 
2012-11-14 04:26:08 PM  
It's been a while since I've seen a bad Reuters photoshop or purposefully bad perspective shot, so I guess we were due. Think they'll run with the stuffed animal thing again? Or maybe the same woman mourning in multiple locations?
 
2012-11-14 04:30:18 PM  
Marine core soldier

http://www.fark.com/comments/3129410/US-Marine-Corps-Commandant-sugge s ts-that-all-US-Marines-withdraw-from-Iraq-redeploy-to-face-actual-enem ies-in-Afghanistan
 
2012-11-14 04:32:29 PM  
I see what the deal is, you need to take the spaces out of the copypastaed url.
 
2012-11-14 04:35:24 PM  
I'll just leave this here:

i378.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-14 04:36:50 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Oh good. A bunch of people who think a magic sky man gave them a chunk of desert in the middle of someone else's property are going to go beat the shiat out of a bunch of people who think the appropriate response to losing their land is to blow up buses and pizzerias full of innocent people who largely had nothing to do with it.

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/hot like the fires of hell all these people can go burn in

You know, genetically speaking, the Jews were there first and there the longest (and as the best defined location specific ethnic group). There was some hoopla a couple of years ago when the studies came out. I'm having trouble remembering where to find them, but I think this is one (unable to log in right now to verify). The Palestinians are fairly recent immigrees to the region (in consideration of that part of the world having a very deep history) moving in as a result of the Romans were doing their thing to run the Jews out. (You know, the whole ethnic cleansing, destroying their temples, outlawing the people and religion, stealing their property, etc all that fun stuff if the history I learned is right.)

The situation is a whole lotta gray once you know the actual history of the place and not the propaganda from both sides. One must be pretty retarded to think one side is right and the other wrong or that both sides are wrong. You say it's the Jews forcing their way onto someone else's property, but others could equate it to the homeowners returning after a long trip away and seeking to kick out squatters (squatters who enlisted the aid of some ethnic cleansers to run the family out in the first place). If there is any truth at all, it's probably in the middle, but where oh where? Can't be easy to find it else they wouldn't be handing Nobel Peace Prizes out like candy to anyone who seems to come close to figuring it out.

So following your reasoning Canada should belong to the Danes since they w ...


Look, if the Danes are going to rule like true Vikings, let's get this revolution started.
 
2012-11-14 04:37:09 PM  

karl2025: onyxruby: This is the wonderful thread where we get to see hypocrites that otherwise claim to be peace loving come to the defense of terrorist organizations like Hamas. You know the same organizations that put into daily practice everything that their useful idiot defenders decry anyone else doing (murder, poor treatment of woman, civil liberties etc).

Never understood people like that, it's like the vegan that says it's okay to eat hamburger from Angus cows but goes around belittling anyone who dares to eat the meat of any other cow or other animal as being cruel to animals. Stand back, grab your marshmallows and get ready to watch everyone flame everyone....

They aren't defending the violence of Hamas, they're condemning the violence of Israel. It's a subtle difference.


So if a man stands outside my home and starts randomly shooting into the house and i shoot him dead to keep me and family safe that makes it OK to condemn my violence?
 
2012-11-14 04:38:10 PM  
farking finally. Its been unbearable for people in the south here.


I only support this however if the goal is full invasion and destruction of Hamas and other armed groups firing rockets. Otherwise, its just a lot of people who will die, lots of civilians from collateral damage rather than being shot in the face at close range and will lead to nothing.


Either we go in full measures, or we do not go in. Anything will be a disaster.
 
2012-11-14 04:38:28 PM  

SpectroBoy: This is for BOTH sides:

[diagoras.files.wordpress.com image 800x600]


This isn't religion. This is called 'being human'.

/Amusingly, today I'm studying the debate on Neanderthalensis...
 
2012-11-14 04:39:59 PM  

chucklehead: I'll just leave this here:


Oh thanks, debunked propaganda was awesome.
 
2012-11-14 04:40:17 PM  
lh3.ggpht.com
 
2012-11-14 04:40:38 PM  

Frank N Stein: thisisarepeat: Frank N Stein: "Sky wizard/fairy"

Is it possible for you guys to have any shred of originality?

Are you farking shiatting me?!

No I'm not. It's a cliche and false portayal of abrahamic religious concept of God.


Nope. Seems pretty spot on to me.
 
2012-11-14 04:41:07 PM  

chucklehead: I'll just leave this here:

[i378.photobucket.com image 550x375]


that map is such utter utter BS

First are you going by land deeds? in each which case Jewish land would be bigger
Population? than the bottom 1/3 should belong to no one other than few camels and some Bedouin, the Negav has never been overly populated and still isn't

including the 1947 plan that Israel agreed to but the Palestinians rejected is an interesting choice plus the next image ignores the fact that the W.Bank and Gaza were in Jordain and Egyptian hands between 47 and 67

here is what the W.Bank looks like now
lh3.ggpht.com

Per the Oslo accord

Area A (full civil and security control by the Palestinian Authority): circa 3% of the West Bank, exclusive East-Jerusalem (first phase, 1995).[1][2] In 2011: 18%.[3][4] This area includes all Palestinian cities and their surrounding areas, with no Israeli settlements. Entry into this area is forbidden to all Israeli citizens. The Israel Defense Forces maintain no presence, but sometimes conducts raids to arrest suspected militants.

Area B (Palestinian civil control and joint Israeli-Palestinian security control): circa 25% (first phase, 1995).[1][2] In 2011: 21%.[3][4] Includes areas of many Palestinian towns and villages and areas, with no Israeli settlements.

Area C (full Israeli civil and security control, except over Palestinian civilians): circa 72% (first phase, 1995).[1][2] In 2011: 61%.[3][4] These areas include all Israeli settlements (cities, towns, and villages), nearby land, most roadways that connected the settlements (and which Israelis are now restricted to) as well as strategic areas described as "security zones."[3] There were 1,000 Israeli settlers living in Area C in 1972. By 1993, their population had increased to 110,000. As of 2012 they number more than 300,000 - as against 150,000 Palestinians, the majority of whom are Bedouin and fellahin.[5]
 
2012-11-14 04:42:20 PM  
I'd continually launch rockets at you as well if you kept me segregated in an apartheid prison state and were never going to let me out ever. It's time for Israel to give gaza and the west bank back to the palesitinians and let them administer themselves as a sovereign nation. If they still continue the rocket fire farkery after that, then nuke them for all I care. At least you could say you tried instead of looking like a bunch of complete assholes trying to keep a group of people living in utter despair.
 
2012-11-14 04:46:01 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: I'd continually launch rockets at you as well if you kept me segregated in an apartheid prison state


They have a border with Egypt that is controlled by Egypt. Until they fired rockets, not a single Israeli soldier in Gaza.

How is that either a prison, or an Apartheid state?
 
2012-11-14 04:46:47 PM  
Homer Simpson: It's so cool here in the Tomb of the Unknown Savior.
Ned Flanders: Unknown? He's the most famous person who ever lived!
Homer Simpson: Porky Pig?
Ned Flanders: Porky Pig isn't a person! He's a pig, and he's not even a real pig!
Homer Simpson: But he is buried here, right?
 
2012-11-14 04:48:36 PM  

thisisarepeat: ChipNASA: Control + F ..typey typey "Tasuma" = Phrase not found.

Yeah, what the hell happened to ol' turbo jew.


As I said in another thread I hacked his calendar so every day is now Saturday
 
2012-11-14 04:55:44 PM  

Tatsuma: Communist_Manifesto: I'd continually launch rockets at you as well if you kept me segregated in an apartheid prison state

They have a border with Egypt that is controlled by Egypt. Until they fired rockets, not a single Israeli soldier in Gaza.

How is that either a prison, or an Apartheid state?


Israel does not allow freedom of movement for palestinians within Israel and entirely controls the flow of goods and people going to and from the palestinian territories. Sounds like apartheid to me. Palestine is basically an open air prison because Israel controls it with an iron fist.

Link
 
2012-11-14 04:56:02 PM  

Mazzic518: He was the best damned Soldier the Core has ever seen!


Not a very honorable one though; as I recall he blamed the inaccuracies on his own wife.
 
2012-11-14 04:56:20 PM  

Mazzic518: thisisarepeat: ChipNASA: Control + F ..typey typey "Tasuma" = Phrase not found.

Yeah, what the hell happened to ol' turbo jew.

As I said in another thread I hacked his calendar so every day is now Saturday


Looks like you need to work on your haxx0r skillz...
 
2012-11-14 04:56:52 PM  

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: Ah, was wondering how long after the election it would be before we saw some shiat go down over there.


Fits in my time frame. Give it a month and the resident Prez has shiat to deal with that drags his attention away from budgets, pension....something something.
 
2012-11-14 04:57:51 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I think there is only one way to settle this. Jello

For the Jews:

[img849.imageshack.us image 450x590]

For Hamas:

Do they have chicks in Hamas?


No but they have really cool looking KKK-esque gear, complete with hoods.

tammybruce.com

/should tell you if you are rooting for them you are rooting for the wrong team, but then maybe some of you like to let your Alabama roots show *shrug*
 
2012-11-14 04:59:43 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Israel does not allow freedom of movement for palestinians within Israel


America does not allow freedom of movement of Mexicans in Israel. APARTHEID

Communist_Manifesto: and entirely controls the flow of goods and people going to and from the palestinian territories.


No, Egypt controls its side of the border and whatever goes through there.


Again, no leg to stand on
 
2012-11-14 05:00:37 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Tatsuma: Communist_Manifesto: I'd continually launch rockets at you as well if you kept me segregated in an apartheid prison state

They have a border with Egypt that is controlled by Egypt. Until they fired rockets, not a single Israeli soldier in Gaza.

How is that either a prison, or an Apartheid state?

Israel does not allow freedom of movement for palestinians within Israel and entirely controls the flow of goods and people going to and from the palestinian territories. Sounds like apartheid to me. Palestine is basically an open air prison because Israel controls it with an iron fist.

Link


So move retards. Go claim some other spot on Earth and make it yours. Hell some of us in the US are offering (figuratively) states for the taking. Or a nice ranch in Wyoming. Or a ski area in CA. Pick something, you'll fit in.
 
2012-11-14 05:01:33 PM  

Mazzic518: thisisarepeat: ChipNASA: Control + F ..typey typey "Tasuma" = Phrase not found.

Yeah, what the hell happened to ol' turbo jew.

As I said in another thread I hacked his calendar so every day is now Saturday


He's loose, I'm afraid.
 
2012-11-14 05:01:35 PM  
farm1.static.flickr.com

lh5.google.ca
 
2012-11-14 05:03:38 PM  
This will result in either the Mayans being right of Obama being revealed as the anti-Christ
 
2012-11-14 05:03:51 PM  

Tatsuma: Communist_Manifesto: Israel does not allow freedom of movement for palestinians within Israel

America does not allow freedom of movement of Mexicans in Israel. APARTHEID

Communist_Manifesto: and entirely controls the flow of goods and people going to and from the palestinian territories.

No, Egypt controls its side of the border and whatever goes through there.

Again, no leg to stand on


So palestine is it's own country now, totally free and sovereign? America also doesn't set up road blocks in Mexico, or try to send settlers to Mexico. Quit being obtuse and deflecting from the larger issue. Israel for all intents and purposes controls the palestinian territories.
 
2012-11-14 05:05:35 PM  

violentsalvation: The strike looks pretty surgical


He got blowed up REEAL good!

i4.ytimg.com
 
2012-11-14 05:06:54 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: SkunkWerks: willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE

Funny enough from the standpoint of the history of human society, the point at which religion goes from worshiping feminine nature-based figures to revering male deities is typically shortly after you've seen the move from roaming, hunting and gathering societies that depend a lot on luck to survive (finding food, no ill turns in the weather which push herds away from their typical gathering places, and s on) to agrarian societies that don't move around much and whose survival depends largely on having big stockpiles of stuff.

Stuff you can take by force.

Then it's handy to make God a man 'cause, yanno, war's a man's game and all. All the Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity, Islam, and yes, Judaism)share more or less the same male deity, soooo.... you get this.

Very interesting point, thank you.

I'm not religious myself but find religions fascinating, especially as they relate to the history of mankind. I don't suppose you know of a book or website that goes into further depth about what you said? I'm always looking for new reading material :-)


It's new age wishful thinking.Link

Hunter gathers were just as violent and bloodthirsty as civilized societies. Hippies and Wiccans like to pretend otherwise to justify their critiques of modern society, but its all nonsense. The Pawnee, which certainly fit the definition above, kept slaves, engaged in human sacrifice and regular wars with rival tribes as late as the 1840s. All prechristian societies, agricultural or hunter-gatherer, did the same. Link

People are just people- religion is a symptom, not the disease.
 
2012-11-14 05:07:19 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: Communist_Manifesto: Tatsuma: Communist_Manifesto: I'd continually launch rockets at you as well if you kept me segregated in an apartheid prison state

They have a border with Egypt that is controlled by Egypt. Until they fired rockets, not a single Israeli soldier in Gaza.

How is that either a prison, or an Apartheid state?

Israel does not allow freedom of movement for palestinians within Israel and entirely controls the flow of goods and people going to and from the palestinian territories. Sounds like apartheid to me. Palestine is basically an open air prison because Israel controls it with an iron fist.

Link

So move retards. Go claim some other spot on Earth and make it yours. Hell some of us in the US are offering (figuratively) states for the taking. Or a nice ranch in Wyoming. Or a ski area in CA. Pick something, you'll fit in.


It's hard to move out of a country when you don't have access to the money it takes to move like that. It is also very difficult to get a passport as a palestinian. That's an overly simple "solution" that doesn't take into account that they might have history there and they don't necessarily want to move.
 
2012-11-14 05:07:45 PM  

Two16: Nope. Seems pretty spot on to me.


How so?
 
2012-11-14 05:08:34 PM  

hdhale:

No but they have really cool looking KKK-esque gear, complete with hoods.

[tammybruce.com image 670x460]

/should tell you if you are rooting for them you are rooting for the wrong team, but then maybe some of you like to let your Alabama roots show *shrug*


Are you trolling?
 
2012-11-14 05:10:35 PM  
How many dead palestinian children are needed before they wake up and realise they need to let God's Chosen People have their lebensraum?

The Israelis can bring order to the mess that is Palestine - maybe organise people by giving them little emblems to sew on their clothes, or fix the housing situation by putting them in nice big camps.
 
2012-11-14 05:13:05 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: So palestine is it's own country now, totally free and sovereign?


So a piece of land on this earth is either a fully free state, or its a prison apartheid state?

... stuff like this is why I stopped coming here. And, well, being busy.
 
2012-11-14 05:14:45 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: America also doesn't set up road blocks in Mexico, or try to send settlers to Mexico. Quit being obtuse and deflecting from the larger issue. Israel for all intents and purposes controls the palestinian territories.


Again, a fully open border with Egypt that Israel has nothing to do with.

Even Hamas came out a few months ago and were bragging about how they liberated Gaza from 'the occupation' and how it wasn't occupied thanks to them anymore.
 
2012-11-14 05:17:11 PM  

cegorach: How many dead palestinian children are needed before they wake up and realise they need to let God's Chosen People have their lebensraum?


"Being against Israel is not anti-semitism! Also, fark the Jews!" - cegorach
 
2012-11-14 05:17:42 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

It strikes me as ironic that when a movie is made about Americans fighting against an invading/occupying force, they are seen as heroes.

But when Arabs do it in the real world, they're terrorists.
 
2012-11-14 05:22:27 PM  

Tatsuma: Communist_Manifesto: Israel does not allow freedom of movement for palestinians within Israel

America does not allow freedom of movement of Mexicans in Israel. APARTHEID

Communist_Manifesto: and entirely controls the flow of goods and people going to and from the palestinian territories.

No, Egypt controls its side of the border and whatever goes through there.


Again, no leg to stand on


I bet the Jews took his legs! You ate them, didn't you, Tatsuma!
 
2012-11-14 05:25:21 PM  

Franko: It strikes me as ironic that when a movie is made about Americans fighting against an invading/occupying force, they are seen as heroes.

But when Arabs do it in the real world, they're terrorists.


The wolverines blew themselves up in the middle of buses, and fired missiles at civilian areas and bragged about firing an anti-tank missile on a schoolbus and killing a teenager?
 
2012-11-14 05:26:20 PM  

Tatsuma: Communist_Manifesto: So palestine is it's own country now, totally free and sovereign?

So a piece of land on this earth is either a fully free state, or its a prison apartheid state?

... stuff like this is why I stopped coming here. And, well, being busy.


Please go away again because you add nothing of value. You tried to compare Israel and Palestine to America and Mexico, which means your either truly retarded or you're not arguing in good faith. I said things like America doesn't set up road blocks and curfews for Mexico and you entirely left that part out. You keep bringing up an egyptian border that Israel has nothing to do with. The fact that Israel puts curfews and a vast array of restrictions on the way Palestinians go about their everyday life leads me to the conclusion that they in effect control palestine, whether or not some parts of the palestinian territories border Egypt is immaterial given the vast control Israel exerts over Palestine.
 
2012-11-14 05:30:39 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Please go away again because you add nothing of value.


Outside of debunking your stupid and inaccurate propaganda?

Gaza is neither an apartheid stated, nor a prison. Are you willing to admit that?
 
2012-11-14 05:31:41 PM  

R.A.Danny: Marine core soldier

http://www.fark.com/comments/3129410/US-Marine-Corps-Commandant-sugge s ts-that-all-US-Marines-withdraw-from-Iraq-redeploy-to-face-actual-enem ies-in-Afghanistan


Thank you.
 
2012-11-14 05:32:45 PM  

Tatsuma: cegorach: How many dead palestinian children are needed before they wake up and realise they need to let God's Chosen People have their lebensraum?

"Being against Israel is not anti-semitism! Also, fark the Jews!" - cegorach


Oh, so Jews in other places in the world than Israel demand lebensraum and attack civilians to grab land?

This is a thing?

Well there are some occupying land in my country.

What do you suggest we do about this obvious threat to our security?
 
2012-11-14 05:33:49 PM  

Tatsuma: Communist_Manifesto: Please go away again because you add nothing of value.

Outside of debunking your stupid and inaccurate propaganda?

Gaza is neither an apartheid stated, nor a prison. Are you willing to admit that?


Is it propaganda that Israel places a wide array restrictions on Palestinians in the Palestinian territories? You have debunked nothing and have only inserted a bunch of non sequiturs about the USA and Mexico in to the argument. Do you think the situation between America and Mexico is exactly the same as the situation between Israel and the palestinians?
 
2012-11-14 05:35:14 PM  
Looking through this thread, it seems to me that a lot of the conflict that arises from this issue is generated by people (on both sides) who simply WANT to fight.

img706.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-14 05:35:27 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Is it propaganda that Israel places a wide array restrictions on Palestinians in the Palestinian territories?


There are no Israelis in Gaza.

Gaza has an open border with Egypt controlled by Egypt.


Why can't you understand that? What is wrong with you.
 
2012-11-14 05:37:48 PM  

Tatsuma: farking finally. Its been unbearable for people in the south here.


I only support this however if the goal is full invasion and destruction of Hamas and other armed groups firing rockets. Otherwise, its just a lot of people who will die, lots of civilians from collateral damage rather than being shot in the face at close range and will lead to nothing.


Either we go in full measures, or we do not go in. Anything will be a disaster.


ALL REJOICE HE HATH ARRIVED!!!!
 
2012-11-14 05:38:08 PM  
So, Tatsuma, since you're the hands-down expert on antisemitism here... Is it antisemitic of me to hope that a moderate sized asteroid strikes the region, and that the last thing both sides see is a blinding flash of light?
 
2012-11-14 05:43:46 PM  

Franko: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x303]

It strikes me as ironic that when a movie is made about Americans fighting against an invading/occupying force, they are seen as heroes.

But when Arabs do it in the real world, they're terrorists.


If that invading/occupying force were stopping, say, the genocide of minorities in the US (and NO, there's nothing going on right now that even comes close to qualifying, so don't even try), then yeah, I'd say American resistors were in the wrong. But what about that movie even makes you remotely think, "Well gosh, the Russians did have a noble goal!"... Of course, the fact we're debating a work of fiction in the first place is absurd, so I don't suppose I should be surprised if you didn't argue their side.
 
2012-11-14 05:43:48 PM  
img208.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-14 05:44:25 PM  

sillydragon: So, Tatsuma, since you're the hands-down expert on antisemitism here... Is it antisemitic of me to hope that a moderate sized asteroid strikes the region, and that the last thing both sides see is a blinding flash of light?


Not anti-semitic, no.

However, rather bloodthirsty to wish for the death of hundreds of millions of people just so you can stop reading about it on the internet.
 
2012-11-14 05:44:42 PM  

cegorach: How many dead palestinian children are needed before they wake up and realise they need to let God's Chosen People have their lebensraum?

The Israelis can bring order to the mess that is Palestine - maybe organise people by giving them little emblems to sew on their clothes, or fix the housing situation by putting them in nice big camps.


If they did, do you think anyone would lift a finger to stop them?
 
2012-11-14 05:45:25 PM  

bostonguy: No doubt there will be condemnations of Israel's strikes on Gaza. But remember this: Israel would leave Gaza alone if the terrorists would just stop firing rockets into Israel. It really is that simple. Israel wants to live in peace. Hamas and others want to live without Israel existing.

/ American Israeli in Tel Aviv
// Safe from the 130+ rockets fired into Israel over the past three days
/// At least until their range increases


Can't and won't happen. It's basic human nature regardless of religion etc....when you have a huge disparity in quality of life and constant supression of one side over the other, the 'lesser' side will always try their best to aggravate and harm their more powerful foe even with benefit of hindsight.
When you add religion and historical animosity to the mix, the situation exacerbates
 
2012-11-14 05:45:41 PM  

jso2897: Tat'dGreaser: lordjupiter: We send countries money because if we don't, someone else will, and then what? Then it's only a matter of time before one or two countries (Russia and China, most likely) gain a controlling stake in all these teetering countries and we're once again isolated on the Risk board.

This is the oddest argument I have ever read

It's cold war-think. It's what got 50,000 Americans slaughtered in Nam for nothing.



Um, no. That's prevention of communist expansion based on paranoiod principle against communism, not just global strategy, and it involves invasion, not merely funding allies. Try again.
 
2012-11-14 05:46:05 PM  

Franko: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x303]

It strikes me as ironic that when a movie is made about Americans fighting against an invading/occupying force, they are seen as heroes.

But when Arabs do it in the real world, they're terrorists.


That's because the Wolverines didn't strap explosives to themselves and blow up buses full of civilians. Terrorism means you kill soft-target civilians to spread terror. Guerrilla ops against military forces aren't considered terrorism. The problem is that guerrilla ops don't really work any more in a world with helicopters and smart missiles.

Actually, the Red Dawn kids would have all been dead within a day if that scenario actually played out. That movie was so stupid I wanted to bite the producer.
 
2012-11-14 05:47:43 PM  
This is probably Armageddon.
 
2012-11-14 05:50:07 PM  
Anyway, it's almost one in the morning, I need to go to sleep

might liveblog tomorrow depending on what's happening
 
2012-11-14 05:50:45 PM  
To all the "here we go!" crowd, stop being stupid. You know how many times Israel has invaded a neighbor in the last 30 years (if you count Gaza as a neighbor)? Lots of times, that's how many.And no one else ever gets involved, except by clandestinely shipping arms to Israel's opponents.
 
2012-11-14 05:53:35 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: bostonguy: No doubt there will be condemnations of Israel's strikes on Gaza. But remember this: Israel would leave Gaza alone if the terrorists would just stop firing rockets into Israel. It really is that simple. Israel wants to live in peace. Hamas and others want to live without Israel existing.

/ American Israeli in Tel Aviv
// Safe from the 130+ rockets fired into Israel over the past three days
/// At least until their range increases

Can't and won't happen. It's basic human nature regardless of religion etc....when you have a huge disparity in quality of life and constant supression of one side over the other, the 'lesser' side will always try their best to aggravate and harm their more powerful foe even with benefit of hindsight.
When you add religion and historical animosity to the mix, the situation exacerbates


THIS. It's amazing people don't get it. People want autonomy and a halfway decent quality of life, that is universal. Even though having a border with Eqypt apparently absolves Israel of all wrong doing, this conflict won't end unless Israel lets it end (and the Palestinians agree to whatever territory they're offered and since they're "leaders" are pretty retarded i'm not holding my breath.)
 
2012-11-14 05:54:38 PM  

RanDomino: This is probably Armageddon.


Let's hope!
 
2012-11-14 05:55:23 PM  

sillydragon: So, Tatsuma, since you're the hands-down expert on antisemitism here... Is it antisemitic of me to hope that a moderate sized asteroid strikes the region, and that the last thing both sides see is a blinding flash of light?


The word you're looking for is misanthropic. You could also go with callous, simple-minded, sophomoric and ignominious.
 
2012-11-14 05:57:53 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: SuperNinjaToad: bostonguy: No doubt there will be condemnations of Israel's strikes on Gaza. But remember this: Israel would leave Gaza alone if the terrorists would just stop firing rockets into Israel. It really is that simple. Israel wants to live in peace. Hamas and others want to live without Israel existing.

/ American Israeli in Tel Aviv
// Safe from the 130+ rockets fired into Israel over the past three days
/// At least until their range increases

Can't and won't happen. It's basic human nature regardless of religion etc....when you have a huge disparity in quality of life and constant supression of one side over the other, the 'lesser' side will always try their best to aggravate and harm their more powerful foe even with benefit of hindsight.
When you add religion and historical animosity to the mix, the situation exacerbates

THIS. It's amazing people don't get it. People want autonomy and a halfway decent quality of life, that is universal. Even though having a border with Eqypt apparently absolves Israel of all wrong doing, this conflict won't end unless Israel lets it end (and the Palestinians agree to whatever territory they're offered and since they're "leaders" are pretty retarded i'm not holding my breath.)


Objectively speaking, the ball is in the Palestinians' court. Israel just wants to be left alone. If terrorists in Gaza would simply STOP. FIRING. ROCKETS. then Israel would leave Gaza alone. After all, Israel packed up and left. But, no, the extremists there do not want Israel to exist.

Full stop. That's the situation.
 
2012-11-14 05:57:59 PM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Mid_mo_mad_man:
So following your reasoning Canada should belong to the Danes since they where the first to settle it?

As a part Native American man, I can say:

[img21.imageshack.us image 333x200]

You're racist.

Taking over a land and killing off all who've been there for thousands of years doesn't exactly put you on the moral high ground when it comes to ethical considerations of whose land it was. Whether that be the case with the native tribes of the Americas or the native Semitic tribes of the middle east. Yet, ethics are never so simple, are they?

Plus, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Offering up and considering an alternative perspective with an explanation of its grounds is not the same as taking a position. Not everyone is as simplistic in their thinking as you.


Yeah, well my ancestors were cavemen that the Indians massacred you anti-Neanderthalite.
 
2012-11-14 05:59:29 PM  

ciberido: It's a little known fact that building supplies have other uses besides constructing bunkers in Gaza for Hamas, as well.


Yes. I know. It's a good thing they have those night vision goggles to help with the midnight construction. And the bullet proof vests to protect them from those half-cured cement shovel fights that those crazy workers like to have.

And so does water, but people still complained when it was not used properly in Cuba.
 
2012-11-14 06:01:01 PM  

bostonguy: Communist_Manifesto: SuperNinjaToad: bostonguy: No doubt there will be condemnations of Israel's strikes on Gaza. But remember this: Israel would leave Gaza alone if the terrorists would just stop firing rockets into Israel. It really is that simple. Israel wants to live in peace. Hamas and others want to live without Israel existing.

/ American Israeli in Tel Aviv
// Safe from the 130+ rockets fired into Israel over the past three days
/// At least until their range increases

Can't and won't happen. It's basic human nature regardless of religion etc....when you have a huge disparity in quality of life and constant supression of one side over the other, the 'lesser' side will always try their best to aggravate and harm their more powerful foe even with benefit of hindsight.
When you add religion and historical animosity to the mix, the situation exacerbates

THIS. It's amazing people don't get it. People want autonomy and a halfway decent quality of life, that is universal. Even though having a border with Eqypt apparently absolves Israel of all wrong doing, this conflict won't end unless Israel lets it end (and the Palestinians agree to whatever territory they're offered and since they're "leaders" are pretty retarded i'm not holding my breath.)

Objectively speaking, the ball is in the Palestinians' court. Israel just wants to be left alone. If terrorists in Gaza would simply STOP. FIRING. ROCKETS. then Israel would leave Gaza alone. After all, Israel packed up and left. But, no, the extremists there do not want Israel to exist.

Full stop. That's the situation.


On another note to those who excuse the terrorism because the Israeli blockade and whatnot:

Raise your hand if you think Hamas and others would stop attacking Israel if Israel were to end the blockade and whatnot.

I expect I'll hear crickets. Again, it's up to the Palestinians to choose to live in peace with Israel, and then negotiations can commence from there.
 
2012-11-14 06:03:39 PM  

ideamaster: Guess what Israel found on those "aid ships" - Munitions!

And for those of you who don't know what munitions are:
military weapons, ammunition, equipment, and stores
...

He failed to mention activists had access to knives, metal rods, clubs, bulletproof vests and night vision goggles. Fifty lacked passports while carrying large amounts of cash. Onboard as well were building supplies, such as cement, routinely used by Hamas to construct bunkers in Gaza.


I like how you contradict yourself in the same post. Makes things a lot quicker. Yeah I remember this story from back when it happened. They raided a ship they had no right to, they found NOTHING but tools and equipment that you would expect to find on an aid ship, and they refused to let a whole bunch of shiat on through because their "embargo list" is not meant to stop the militants from arming up but to keep the civilians miserable.

Did you know they banned chocolate? They stopped banning it later but that's what Israel is doing to Gaza.

How do you rebuild a destroyed neighborhood without cement?
 
2012-11-14 06:05:21 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Russky: NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

I think most people understand both sides are at fault and nobody is totally in the 'right' here. Now that i said that I'm sure some douche will call me an anti-semite, usually how it goes.


Judaism and Islam are both Semitic religions. So however someone wants to take your comment - blame the Jews, blame the Muslims - either way you're anti-semitic.


To say both sides should look at themselves is hardly being anti semetic, grow up.
 
2012-11-14 06:06:37 PM  

bostonguy: Objectively speaking, the ball is in the Palestinians' court. Israel just wants to be left alone. If terrorists in Gaza would simply STOP. FIRING. ROCKETS. then Israel would leave Gaza alone. After all, Israel packed up and left. But, no, the extremists there do not want Israel to exist.

Full stop. That's the situation.


I believe that's an oversimplification, but I agree Palestinians need to stop firing the rockets. On the different side of the same token though, there are Israeli extremists who do not want Palestine to exist. I just think that since Israel has pretty much ALL of the power (let's face it, the iron dome shoots most of these rockets down and they have an airforce and tanks etc.) it is Israel who has to stop the cycle. Maybe instead of responding to rocket attacks, respond with food drops instead of bombs. It's a very messed up situation but I believe that power dynamics only truly change when the entity with the most power decides to give some of it up.
 
2012-11-14 06:09:44 PM  
BOOM! Take that, terrorist.
 
2012-11-14 06:10:22 PM  

TheBigJerk: I like how you contradict yourself in the same post. Makes things a lot quicker. Yeah I remember this story from back when it happened. They raided a ship they had no right to, they found NOTHING but tools and equipment that you would expect to find on an aid ship, and they refused to let a whole bunch of shiat on through because their "embargo list" is not meant to stop the militants from arming up but to keep the civilians miserable.

Did you know they banned chocolate? They stopped banning it later but that's what Israel is doing to Gaza.

How do you rebuild a destroyed neighborhood without cement?


i included it from the article, because i knew you wouldn't read it. Of course you are just spewing your ignorance. nothing but tools and equipment on an aid ship. bullet proof vests and night vision googles. yep.

You also skipped over the part where they were offered to have their materials scanned. You are welcome to provide the embargo list if you want. But it isn't worth my time arguing with you. After all night vision goggles are fun for the whole family.
 
2012-11-14 06:10:42 PM  

bostonguy: bostonguy: On another note to those who excuse the terrorism because the Israeli blockade and whatnot:

Raise your hand if you think Hamas and others would stop attacking Israel if Israel were to end the blockade and whatnot.

I expect I'll hear crickets. Again, it's up to the Palestinians to choose to live in peace with Israel, and then negotiations can commence from there.


I don't "excuse the terrorism". Those who launch the rockets and kill innocents deserve whatever hell that awaits them. If Israel did drop the blockade, it would maybe allow for a more free flow ideas and it might allow for more moderate voices to come to power and replace hammas. As it stands now palestinians live in abject poverty and can point to Israel and say "We have to fight them! They are so evil they won't even allow us concrete to build a building!" Hamas more than likely won't stop attacking Israel, but there are better ways Israel could go about ridding themselves of Hamas.
 
2012-11-14 06:11:47 PM  

SpectroBoy: This is for BOTH sides:

[diagoras.files.wordpress.com image 800x600]


You could also use it for your side, atheism.
 
2012-11-14 06:15:56 PM  

Tatsuma: might liveblog tomorrow depending on what's happening


I can't wait to here your unbiased view on the situation.
 
2012-11-14 06:19:37 PM  
My list of red names always swells during one of these threads.

Thank you for coming out of the woodwork, you illogical poorly-studied simpletons, and taking Hamas' side. You certainly didn't add anything new to the "debate," but reading your moronic hatred and basic inability to grasp simple fact and logic is always usually amusing. 

/why yes, that's pure ad hominem... I'm not trying to debate you, your position has been crushed by not only multiple prior Fark threads but by the majority of modern western leaders' opinions as well (ooh, argumentum ad populum et ad vericundiam too!)
//but that's why you're so entertaining... you're like truthers, you just never quit
 
2012-11-14 06:20:03 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: fanbladesaresharp: Communist_Manifesto: Tatsuma: Communist_Manifesto: I'd continually launch rockets at you as well if you kept me segregated in an apartheid prison state

They have a border with Egypt that is controlled by Egypt. Until they fired rockets, not a single Israeli soldier in Gaza.

How is that either a prison, or an Apartheid state?

Israel does not allow freedom of movement for palestinians within Israel and entirely controls the flow of goods and people going to and from the palestinian territories. Sounds like apartheid to me. Palestine is basically an open air prison because Israel controls it with an iron fist.

Link

So move retards. Go claim some other spot on Earth and make it yours. Hell some of us in the US are offering (figuratively) states for the taking. Or a nice ranch in Wyoming. Or a ski area in CA. Pick something, you'll fit in.

It's hard to move out of a country when you don't have access to the money it takes to move like that. It is also very difficult to get a passport as a palestinian. That's an overly simple "solution" that doesn't take into account that they might have history there and they don't necessarily want to move.


OH cry me a farking river. Access to money my ass. Hell even the homeless guys in my town pull in $5 an hour at least. In the rain. In a remote part of CA. Sometimes, it's just best to move your ass out of the way.
 
2012-11-14 06:20:40 PM  

Seraphym: My list of red names always swells during one of these threads.

Thank you for coming out of the woodwork, you illogical poorly-studied simpletons, and taking Hamas' side. You certainly didn't add anything new to the "debate," but reading your moronic hatred and basic inability to grasp simple fact and logic is always usually amusing. 

/why yes, that's pure ad hominem... I'm not trying to debate you, your position has been crushed by not only multiple prior Fark threads but by the majority of modern western leaders' opinions as well (ooh, argumentum ad populum et ad vericundiam too!)
//but that's why you're so entertaining... you're like truthers, you just never quit


You sound fat
 
2012-11-14 06:23:24 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Seraphym: My list of red names always swells during one of these threads.

Thank you for coming out of the woodwork, you illogical poorly-studied simpletons, and taking Hamas' side. You certainly didn't add anything new to the "debate," but reading your moronic hatred and basic inability to grasp simple fact and logic is always usually amusing. 

/why yes, that's pure ad hominem... I'm not trying to debate you, your position has been crushed by not only multiple prior Fark threads but by the majority of modern western leaders' opinions as well (ooh, argumentum ad populum et ad vericundiam too!)
//but that's why you're so entertaining... you're like truthers, you just never quit

You sound fat


At least he didn't call everyone anti-semetic. I'm sure he wanted to.
 
2012-11-14 06:23:37 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Oh good. A bunch of people who think a magic sky man gave them a chunk of desert in the middle of someone else's property are going to go beat the shiat out of a bunch of people who think the appropriate response to losing their land is to blow up buses and pizzerias full of innocent people who largely had nothing to do with it.


Who doesn't vote for mutual death?
 
2012-11-14 06:24:51 PM  

CynicalLA: Communist_Manifesto: Seraphym: My list of red names always swells during one of these threads.

Thank you for coming out of the woodwork, you illogical poorly-studied simpletons, and taking Hamas' side. You certainly didn't add anything new to the "debate," but reading your moronic hatred and basic inability to grasp simple fact and logic is always usually amusing. 

/why yes, that's pure ad hominem... I'm not trying to debate you, your position has been crushed by not only multiple prior Fark threads but by the majority of modern western leaders' opinions as well (ooh, argumentum ad populum et ad vericundiam too!)
//but that's why you're so entertaining... you're like truthers, you just never quit

You sound fat

At least he didn't call everyone anti-semetic. I'm sure he wanted to.


He did make the claim that everyone who doesn't support Israel 100% a supporter of Hamas though, so he came close!
 
2012-11-14 06:25:04 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Seraphym: My list of red names always swells during one of these threads.

Thank you for coming out of the woodwork, you illogical poorly-studied simpletons, and taking Hamas' side. You certainly didn't add anything new to the "debate," but reading your moronic hatred and basic inability to grasp simple fact and logic is always usually amusing. 

/why yes, that's pure ad hominem... I'm not trying to debate you, your position has been crushed by not only multiple prior Fark threads but by the majority of modern western leaders' opinions as well (ooh, argumentum ad populum et ad vericundiam too!)
//but that's why you're so entertaining... you're like truthers, you just never quit

You sound fat


Ooooh, The communist is butthurt. If "you sound fat" is your retort, you've lost the arguement, homey. Go troll another thread.
 
2012-11-14 06:27:51 PM  
Until non-israelis settle down and go on with their lives, and stop pushing a holy war to "wipe israel off the map", nothing is going to change.

Israel is not going to stand up one day and say "you know what, you are right. We should all drown. Sorry about WANTING TO STAY ALIVE all that time."

The non-israelis in the region -can- say "you know what, it isnt worth it, keeping this damn war going on forever." - they have a choice. Israel? Not so much.
 
2012-11-14 06:29:39 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: OH cry me a farking river. Access to money my ass. Hell even the homeless guys in my town pull in $5 an hour at least. In the rain. In a remote part of CA. Sometimes, it's just best to move your ass out of the way.


A one way plane ticket from tel aviv to nyc is $530. The gross national income per capita is $1367. So you're saying they should be able to save almost have of their income for a plane ticket? What do they do when they get here? They can't buy anything, do anything etc. because they don't have money. So while your anecdote about homeless people getting $5 an hour is a great way to make yourself feel better while being a callous ass, it doesn't prove that they can simply move.
 
2012-11-14 06:31:24 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: Communist_Manifesto: Seraphym: My list of red names always swells during one of these threads.

Thank you for coming out of the woodwork, you illogical poorly-studied simpletons, and taking Hamas' side. You certainly didn't add anything new to the "debate," but reading your moronic hatred and basic inability to grasp simple fact and logic is always usually amusing. 

/why yes, that's pure ad hominem... I'm not trying to debate you, your position has been crushed by not only multiple prior Fark threads but by the majority of modern western leaders' opinions as well (ooh, argumentum ad populum et ad vericundiam too!)
//but that's why you're so entertaining... you're like truthers, you just never quit

You sound fat

Ooooh, The communist is butthurt. If "you sound fat" is your retort, you've lost the arguement, homey. Go troll another thread.


Oh look at the sharp fan blade butt hurt. My ad hominem retort to the guy who was making ad hominem attacks and saying he wasn't here to debate is now butthurt and a poor argument? Do you realize how farking dumb you are?
 
2012-11-14 06:31:39 PM  
Israel is kicking things off. The incursion last Saturday that started this mess was a blatant intentional provocation. This is coming immediately after the US elections. They've been planning for major operations for months (I hope we haven't already forgotten the preparation-porn they were showing over the summer). I'm not saying the real target is Iran... but the real target is Iran.

Hopefully Israel will get the ass-kicking it deserves, knocking some sense into their society just as the Angolan war was the deathblow to Apartheid in South Africa.


bostonguy
Raise your hand if you think Hamas and others would stop attacking Israel if Israel were to end the blockade and whatnot.

upload.wikimedia.org
That was exactly the condition on which Hamas agreed to the above cease-fire.
Israel didn't hold up their end. Hamas did. This is a fact.
 
2012-11-14 06:32:38 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: fanbladesaresharp: OH cry me a farking river. Access to money my ass. Hell even the homeless guys in my town pull in $5 an hour at least. In the rain. In a remote part of CA. Sometimes, it's just best to move your ass out of the way.

A one way plane ticket from tel aviv to nyc is $530. The gross national income per capita is $1367. So you're saying they should be able to save almost have of their income for a plane ticket? What do they do when they get here? They can't buy anything, do anything etc. because they don't have money. So while your anecdote about homeless people getting $5 an hour is a great way to make yourself feel better while being a callous ass, it doesn't prove that they can simply move.


You aren't trying hard enough. Or are unemployed and NOT trying. $530 is chump change even to the street people and the weed growers and surfing Kayak for plane tickets is free at the library. So is getting a GreenDot Visa (minus the load charge) to pay for them.. Try to keep up with the times, buddy.
 
2012-11-14 06:33:46 PM  

Tatsuma: Anyway, it's almost one in the morning, I need to go to sleep

might liveblog tomorrow depending on what's happening


nice seeing you again!
 
2012-11-14 06:37:55 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: Communist_Manifesto: fanbladesaresharp: OH cry me a farking river. Access to money my ass. Hell even the homeless guys in my town pull in $5 an hour at least. In the rain. In a remote part of CA. Sometimes, it's just best to move your ass out of the way.

A one way plane ticket from tel aviv to nyc is $530. The gross national income per capita is $1367. So you're saying they should be able to save almost have of their income for a plane ticket? What do they do when they get here? They can't buy anything, do anything etc. because they don't have money. So while your anecdote about homeless people getting $5 an hour is a great way to make yourself feel better while being a callous ass, it doesn't prove that they can simply move.

You aren't trying hard enough. Or are unemployed and NOT trying. $530 is chump change even to the street people and the weed growers and surfing Kayak for plane tickets is free at the library. So is getting a GreenDot Visa (minus the load charge) to pay for them.. Try to keep up with the times, buddy.


You're seriously arguing that since someone living on the street in America can feasibly buy a plane ticket, and in spite of the fact that the ticket price is almost have of the income of the average palestinian, that they "just aren't trying hard enough?" And why does my employment status matter at all in this? You're telling the palestinians to move, I try to explain why that's not as easy as you make it out to be and you respond to a totally different situation.
 
2012-11-14 06:42:34 PM  

RanDomino: Israel is kicking things off. The incursion last Saturday that started this mess was a blatant intentional provocation. This is coming immediately after the US elections. They've been planning for major operations for months (I hope we haven't already forgotten the preparation-porn they were showing over the summer). I'm not saying the real target is Iran... but the real target is Iran.

Hopefully Israel will get the ass-kicking it deserves, knocking some sense into their society just as the Angolan war was the deathblow to Apartheid in South Africa.


bostonguy
Raise your hand if you think Hamas and others would stop attacking Israel if Israel were to end the blockade and whatnot.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x579]
That was exactly the condition on which Hamas agreed to the above cease-fire.
Israel didn't hold up their end. Hamas did. This is a fact.



Wow. Somebody defending Hamas.

Are you one of those "The 911 hijackers were basically just patriots" people too?
 
2012-11-14 06:48:27 PM  
ISO15693
Israel? Not so much.

They have a choice to end the blockade of Gaza, withdraw the illegal settlements from the West Bank, allow Palestine to have a functional government, give control of Palestinian water and borders to Palestine (before the derp, Egypt is paid billions of dollars a year by the US to keep their border with Gaza locked up, so don't even try that line)...

You can claim that they would still be hated, but we'll never know for sure until they do, now will we?
 
2012-11-14 06:50:11 PM  
ISO15693
Wow. Somebody defending Hamas.

upload.wikimedia.org

Is there some aspect of this chart that you find disagreeable? Do you have some contradicting evidence, perhaps?
Will you just be ignoring it, like every other Israel apologist so far?
 
2012-11-14 06:54:14 PM  

RanDomino: ISO15693
Israel? Not so much.

They have a choice to end the blockade of Gaza, withdraw the illegal settlements from the West Bank, allow Palestine to have a functional government, give control of Palestinian water and borders to Palestine (before the derp, Egypt is paid billions of dollars a year by the US to keep their border with Gaza locked up, so don't even try that line)...

You can claim that they would still be hated, but we'll never know for sure until they do, now will we?


Because you didn't include the phrase hamas sucks your argument is invalid apparently. I had Tatsuma upthread argue that because there weren't Israelis in gaza right now and they had a border with Egypt that Israel didn't control palestine at all. Then he tried to equate the US and Mexico to Israel and Palestine.
 
2012-11-14 06:54:59 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: fanbladesaresharp: Communist_Manifesto: fanbladesaresharp: OH cry me a farking river. Access to money my ass. Hell even the homeless guys in my town pull in $5 an hour at least. In the rain. In a remote part of CA. Sometimes, it's just best to move your ass out of the way.

A one way plane ticket from tel aviv to nyc is $530. The gross national income per capita is $1367. So you're saying they should be able to save almost have of their income for a plane ticket? What do they do when they get here? They can't buy anything, do anything etc. because they don't have money. So while your anecdote about homeless people getting $5 an hour is a great way to make yourself feel better while being a callous ass, it doesn't prove that they can simply move.

You aren't trying hard enough. Or are unemployed and NOT trying. $530 is chump change even to the street people and the weed growers and surfing Kayak for plane tickets is free at the library. So is getting a GreenDot Visa (minus the load charge) to pay for them.. Try to keep up with the times, buddy.

You're seriously arguing that since someone living on the street in America can feasibly buy a plane ticket, and in spite of the fact that the ticket price is almost have of the income of the average palestinian, that they "just aren't trying hard enough?" And why does my employment status matter at all in this? You're telling the palestinians to move, I try to explain why that's not as easy as you make it out to be and you respond to a totally different situation.


Yeah idiot, I can. So long as they have a valid ID. It's not easy? You're a goddam fool then. Thing is you make bullshiat claims in your little tirade with Tatsuma and you get called on some specifics. Your reply "you sound fat".

I just talked to a couple of the local homeless guys (that are usually drunk, if not spun out) that come into my work. They know how to work the various systems you seem to think make life impossible. They know how to deal with life. Some of them choose that. If the Palestinians can't manage to pack their shiat up and leave, or lack the intellect to do so, then how do they manage to lob rockets daily? Obviously they're complete morons that need protection right?

So yes, the poor, poor Palis can STFU and move. How far do they need to go? 20 miles? Goddam I can walk that by morning, and panhandle the entire way. I'm sure there'e a fig orchard for them to rob on the way if they're hungry.
 
2012-11-14 06:57:48 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: RanDomino: ISO15693
Israel? Not so much.

They have a choice to end the blockade of Gaza, withdraw the illegal settlements from the West Bank, allow Palestine to have a functional government, give control of Palestinian water and borders to Palestine (before the derp, Egypt is paid billions of dollars a year by the US to keep their border with Gaza locked up, so don't even try that line)...

You can claim that they would still be hated, but we'll never know for sure until they do, now will we?

Because you didn't include the phrase hamas sucks your argument is invalid apparently. I had Tatsuma upthread argue that because there weren't Israelis in gaza right now and they had a border with Egypt that Israel didn't control palestine at all. Then he tried to equate the US and Mexico to Israel and Palestine.


Because you keep moving the goal posts and we're all watching you do it.
 
2012-11-14 07:00:17 PM  
The whole 'LEAVE ISRAEL ALONE' whinefest might hold some water if it wasn't, you know, for the fact that Israelis actively expand into Palestinian territory.

It's not like the Israelis passively sit within defined borders while those awful Palestinians bulldoze their homes and move in.

But let me clarify.

The problem isn't really 'Israelis'.

It's 'Right Wing Israelis and their dominance of the nation'.

For the minority of left leaning Israelis who genuinely want a harmonious relationship with Palestine and don't endorse the fascism of the right, I feel the utmost pity.

As with those Israeli civilians killed as a result of right wing warmongering.

And the exponentially higher numbers of Palestinian civilians killed for the same reason.

I find it hard to grasp that people freak the fark out regarding terrorism, carried out by an oppressed people who have no other military or diplomatic option, kills a small number of people yet applaud when a 'surgical strike' from a nation with vast military, economic and political superiority takes out fifty times the number of civilians as 'collateral damage'.

But let's face facts.

For all the squawking about anti-semitism, Tats and co quite simply believe that an Israeli life has an intrinsic value equal to that of dozens of dirty Palestinians.

That's the only way they can reconcile the simple, factual numbers of how this has played out over the years.
 
2012-11-14 07:00:24 PM  

ciberido: You are technically correct in that you CAN describe Judaism and Islam as "Semitic religions,"


Thank you for finally agreeing that I was correct.

ciberido: "Semitic religion" is NOT a synonym for "Abrahamic religion."


I never said nor implied that.
 
2012-11-14 07:00:50 PM  

hdhale: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I think there is only one way to settle this. Jello

For the Jews:

[img849.imageshack.us image 450x590]

For Hamas:

Do they have chicks in Hamas?

No but they have really cool looking KKK-esque gear, complete with hoods.

[tammybruce.com image 670x460]

/should tell you if you are rooting for them you are rooting for the wrong team, but then maybe some of you like to let your Alabama roots show *shrug*


Ummmm that chick has more hair on her lip that i do ATM
 
2012-11-14 07:07:05 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: Communist_Manifesto: Seraphym: My list of red names always swells during one of these threads.

Thank you for coming out of the woodwork, you illogical poorly-studied simpletons, and taking Hamas' side. You certainly didn't add anything new to the "debate," but reading your moronic hatred and basic inability to grasp simple fact and logic is always usually amusing. 

/why yes, that's pure ad hominem... I'm not trying to debate you, your position has been crushed by not only multiple prior Fark threads but by the majority of modern western leaders' opinions as well (ooh, argumentum ad populum et ad vericundiam too!)
//but that's why you're so entertaining... you're like truthers, you just never quit

You sound fat

Ooooh, The communist is butthurt. If "you sound fat" is your retort, you've lost the arguement, homey. Go troll another thread.


You sound REALLY fat
 
2012-11-14 07:09:44 PM  

zedster: to everyone saying it's about sky fairies, Both Zionism and Palestinian nationalism started as parts of secular movements, Zionism was a response to 1800s European ethno-nationalism and Palestinian nationalism as part of the more broad early 1900s Pan-Arabism. The most religious Jews actually oppose the creation of Israel on religious grounds and Pan-Islamism didn't come about till the late 1970s with Hamas being an off shoot of it. The PLO was a secular organization at it's founding


Well yes and no. The problem is that there isn't much difference between the two that isn't religion. They're genetically indistinguishable (due to the fact that DESPITE delusions of ancestral chastity people tend to fark their neighbors) and they eat the same disgusting stinky foods and all that jazz. And those differences are how they drew their lines between "us" and "them" when they started fighting over post-Phoenicia's shiatty, shiatty land.

But yeah, it's still secular at heart. Assholes who want shiat and aren't capable of sharing. Hatfield/McCoy style feuding as quaint as it is annoying. The human condition.
 
2012-11-14 07:09:47 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: Communist_Manifesto: fanbladesaresharp: Communist_Manifesto: fanbladesaresharp: OH cry me a farking river. Access to money my ass. Hell even the homeless guys in my town pull in $5 an hour at least. In the rain. In a remote part of CA. Sometimes, it's just best to move your ass out of the way.

A one way plane ticket from tel aviv to nyc is $530. The gross national income per capita is $1367. So you're saying they should be able to save almost have of their income for a plane ticket? What do they do when they get here? They can't buy anything, do anything etc. because they don't have money. So while your anecdote about homeless people getting $5 an hour is a great way to make yourself feel better while being a callous ass, it doesn't prove that they can simply move.

You aren't trying hard enough. Or are unemployed and NOT trying. $530 is chump change even to the street people and the weed growers and surfing Kayak for plane tickets is free at the library. So is getting a GreenDot Visa (minus the load charge) to pay for them.. Try to keep up with the times, buddy.

You're seriously arguing that since someone living on the street in America can feasibly buy a plane ticket, and in spite of the fact that the ticket price is almost have of the income of the average palestinian, that they "just aren't trying hard enough?" And why does my employment status matter at all in this? You're telling the palestinians to move, I try to explain why that's not as easy as you make it out to be and you respond to a totally different situation.

Yeah idiot, I can. So long as they have a valid ID. It's not easy? You're a goddam fool then. Thing is you make bullshiat claims in your little tirade with Tatsuma and you get called on some specifics. Your reply "you sound fat".

I just talked to a couple of the local homeless guys (that are usually drunk, if not spun out) that come into my work. They know how to work the various systems you seem to think make life impossible. They know how ...


What.....the.....fark?
 
2012-11-14 07:10:15 PM  
Communist_Manifesto
Because you didn't include the phrase hamas sucks your argument is invalid apparently. I had Tatsuma upthread argue that because there weren't Israelis in gaza right now and they had a border with Egypt that Israel didn't control palestine at all. Then he tried to equate the US and Mexico to Israel and Palestine.

Tatsuma is one of the few people on Fark I would not hesitate to call evil and I sincerely hope he eats a Qassam in the next few weeks.

Also, Jordan is Israel's Mexico.
 
2012-11-14 07:21:36 PM  
US teenager's 18th in nov 2012: Congratulations! Here's your ballot...yes on 64!

Israeli teenagers 18th in nov 2012: Congratulations! Here's your Galil...
 
2012-11-14 07:30:27 PM  

RanDomino: I'm not saying the real target is Iran... but the real target is Iran.


Of course it is. They've been attacking what are essentially Iranian assets.
 
2012-11-14 07:32:06 PM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Oh good. A bunch of people who think a magic sky man gave them a chunk of desert in the middle of someone else's property are going to go beat the shiat out of a bunch of people who think the appropriate response to losing their land is to blow up buses and pizzerias full of innocent people who largely had nothing to do with it.

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/hot like the fires of hell all these people can go burn in

You know, genetically speaking, the Jews were there first and there the longest (and as the best defined location specific ethnic group). There was some hoopla a couple of years ago when the studies came out. I'm having trouble remembering where to find them, but I think this is one (unable to log in right now to verify). The Palestinians are fairly recent immigrees to the region (in consideration of that part of the world having a very deep history) moving in as a result of the Romans were doing their thing to run the Jews out. (You know, the whole ethnic cleansing, destroying their temples, outlawing the people and religion, stealing their property, etc all that fun stuff if the history I learned is right.)

The situation is a whole lotta gray once you know the actual history of the place and not the propaganda from both sides. One must be pretty retarded to think one side is right and the other wrong or that both sides are wrong. You say it's the Jews forcing their way onto someone else's property, but others could equate it to the homeowners returning after a long trip away and seeking to kick out squatters (squatters who enlisted the aid of some ethnic cleansers to run the family out in the first place). If there is any truth at all, it's probably in the middle, but where oh where? Can't be easy to find it else they wouldn't be handing Nobel Peace Prizes out like candy to anyone who seems to come close to figuring it out.


That's the biatch of it all, there is no clear-cut solution that will satisfy all parties involved... As you said, "a whole lotta gray." And with the conflicts in that region going back so far, good luck getting anyone to compromise. I believe the two-state solution to be the most equitable but unfortunately there would only be a temporary truce at best until the violence starts up again.

It's a complete clusterfark over there and I'm not comfortable with us getting dragged into yet another war in the Middle East but it's looking more and more likely. It's farking depressing that my nieces and my friends' kids have never known a time when we weren't at war.
 
2012-11-14 07:32:58 PM  

ideamaster: TheBigJerk: I like how you contradict yourself in the same post. Makes things a lot quicker. Yeah I remember this story from back when it happened. They raided a ship they had no right to, they found NOTHING but tools and equipment that you would expect to find on an aid ship, and they refused to let a whole bunch of shiat on through because their "embargo list" is not meant to stop the militants from arming up but to keep the civilians miserable.

Did you know they banned chocolate? They stopped banning it later but that's what Israel is doing to Gaza.

How do you rebuild a destroyed neighborhood without cement?

i included it from the article, because i knew you wouldn't read it.


Didn't need to do more than skim it, since I have a functioning memory and already KNOW the story. Though to be fair I didn't remember the night-vision goggles and actually find the claim suspect.

Of course you are just spewing your ignorance. nothing but tools and equipment on an aid ship. bullet proof vests and night vision googles. yep.

Yes, exactly. Glad you agree. Because if you DIDN'T agree, if you wanted to claim that some light-enhancement goggles and (what, 2?) bulletproof vests are tools of terror I'd have to point and laugh at you. That would be as ridiculous as claiming chocolate is a military munition.

You also skipped over the part where they were offered to have their materials scanned. You are welcome to provide the embargo list if you want.

Why? The shiat you LISTED is already bananas. A war-ravaged territory is denied farking cement "because they might use it to build bunkers"? Here's the wiki article if you're curious. It was outright insane, now it's just fairly asinine. By the way "offered to have their materials scanned" was, if you didn't pay attention when it was happening, the nice way of saying, "demanded by an agency with questionable (at best) authority to hand all their goods TO said authority with the dubious promise those goods would be delivered at a later date after exhaustive search and seizure."

But it isn't worth my time arguing with you. After all night vision goggles are fun for the whole family.

Well actually, they are. But they are also useful for things like spotting things at night, which sailors are known to want to do, from time to time.

I mean there are no beautiful perfect flower-children in this tawdry tale of violence and human evil, but calling the hijacking of that ship "piracy" is at worst, mild hyperbole.
 
2012-11-14 07:52:07 PM  

cegorach: The whole 'LEAVE ISRAEL ALONE' whinefest might hold some water if it wasn't, you know, for the fact that Israelis actively expand into Palestinian territory.
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You know as well as anyone else that they do that to create a buffer zone because of the endless stream of crazies launching mortars and declaring "death to israel", crossing the border to capture people, and driving suicide bombers through checkpoints, to kill as many israelis as they can.

If you want to claim "but they only do that because Israel did somehting first!" and not beacause "the existance of israel is an affront to my religion" then go ahead, but you will only look silly.

Israel wouldnt need a buffer zone if the crazies WOULD JUST STOP. Israel can live with Palestine if they would be peaceful. Palistine cannot live with Israel, if Israel decided to be peaceful.

That is the fundamental reason why siding with the palestines is just... stupid. Israelis arent raised to believe they need to kill palestinians. They would be happy if palestinians just became rational people.
 
2012-11-14 07:52:58 PM  

Russky: I just talked to a couple of the local homeless guys (that are usually drunk, if not spun out) that come into my work. They know how to work the various systems you seem to think make life impossible. They know how ...

What.....the.....fark?


I believe that's the old "if you don't like it, move" line of reasoning - a favorite with bullies and simpletons for thousands of years.
 
2012-11-14 07:53:33 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: That's the biatch of it all, there is no clear-cut solution that will satisfy all parties involved... As you said, "a whole lotta gray." And with the conflicts in that region going back so far, good luck getting anyone to compromise. I believe the two-state solution to be the most equitable but unfortunately there would only be a temporary truce at best until the violence starts up again.

It's a complete clusterfark over there and I'm not comfortable with us getting dragged into yet another war in the Middle East but it's looking more and more likely. It's farking depressing that my nieces and my friends' kids have never known a time when we weren't at war.


To be fair, how many people have? America doesn't FEEL it like the semites but we've been at a state of perpetual war for 11-60+ years (depending on how and which wars you count). Even when they're "at peace" neither side has the ability (or particularly strong interest) in stopping 100% of the violence, and whether it's a couple of asshole college kids dumping dirty diapers in a well or a suicide bomber blowing up a bus the "peacetime" and "unsanctioned" attacks will be used as justification. Hell, to pull out the ridiculous and retarded US/Mexico comparison, only 25 cartel-related kidnappings was counted as "No 'spillover' violence from Mexican drug-cartel wars.
 
2012-11-14 07:56:59 PM  

RanDomino: Communist_Manifesto
Because you didn't include the phrase hamas sucks your argument is invalid apparently. I had Tatsuma upthread argue that because there weren't Israelis in gaza right now and they had a border with Egypt that Israel didn't control palestine at all. Then he tried to equate the US and Mexico to Israel and Palestine.

Tatsuma is one of the few people on Fark I would not hesitate to call evil and I sincerely hope he eats a Qassam in the next few weeks.

Also, Jordan is Israel's Mexico.


Because he's a dirty jew and ate your children? How adorable. I bet you're a blast at parties.
 
2012-11-14 08:08:49 PM  

willfullyobscure: I should be in the kitchen: SkunkWerks: willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE

Funny enough from the standpoint of the history of human society, the point at which religion goes from worshiping feminine nature-based figures to revering male deities is typically shortly after you've seen the move from roaming, hunting and gathering societies that depend a lot on luck to survive (finding food, no ill turns in the weather which push herds away from their typical gathering places, and s on) to agrarian societies that don't move around much and whose survival depends largely on having big stockpiles of stuff.

Stuff you can take by force.

Then it's handy to make God a man 'cause, yanno, war's a man's game and all. All the Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity, Islam, and yes, Judaism)share more or less the same male deity, soooo.... you get this.

Very interesting point, thank you.

I'm not religious myself but find religions fascinating, especially as they relate to the history of mankind. I don't suppose you know of a book or website that goes into further depth about what you said? I'm always looking for new reading material :-)

It's new age wishful thinking.Link

Hunter gathers were just as violent and bloodthirsty as civilized societies. Hippies and Wiccans like to pretend otherwise to justify their critiques of modern society, but its all nonsense. The Pawnee, which certainly fit the definition above, kept slaves, engaged in human sacrifice and regular wars with rival tribes as late as the 1840s. All prechristian societies, agricultural or hunter-gatherer, did the same. Link

People are just people- religion is a symptom, not the disease.


Interesting, and thanks for sharing links!
 
2012-11-14 08:33:56 PM  

Franko: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x303]

It strikes me as ironic that when a movie is made about Americans fighting against an invading/occupying force, they are seen as heroes.

But when Arabs do it in the real world, they're terrorists.


indeed.
 
2012-11-14 08:34:19 PM  
I'm confused. A "defense" force that "attacks"?

It's almost like they chose the name IDF so people would always subconsciously presume they only fought in order to defend themselves.

And it's almost like anytime they go on the offensive, they claim it's part of a larger defensive tactic.
 
2012-11-14 08:39:49 PM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Oh good. A bunch of people who think a magic sky man gave them a chunk of desert in the middle of someone else's property are going to go beat the shiat out of a bunch of people who think the appropriate response to losing their land is to blow up buses and pizzerias full of innocent people who largely had nothing to do with it.

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/hot like the fires of hell all these people can go burn in

You know, genetically speaking, the Jews were there first and there the longest (and as the best defined location specific ethnic group). There was some hoopla a couple of years ago when the studies came out. I'm having trouble remembering where to find them, but I think this is one (unable to log in right now to verify). The Palestinians are fairly recent immigrees to the region (in consideration of that part of the world having a very deep history) moving in as a result of the Romans were doing their thing to run the Jews out. (You know, the whole ethnic cleansing, destroying their temples, outlawing the people and religion, stealing their property, etc all that fun stuff if the history I learned is right.)

The situation is a whole lotta gray once you know the actual history of the place and not the propaganda from both sides. One must be pretty retarded to think one side is right and the other wrong or that both sides are wrong. You say it's the Jews forcing their way onto someone else's property, but others could equate it to the homeowners returning after a long trip away and seeking to kick out squatters (squatters who enlisted the aid of some ethnic cleansers to run the family out in the first place). If there is any truth at all, it's probably in the middle, but where oh where? Can't be easy to find it else they wouldn't be handing Nobel Peace Prizes out like candy to anyone who seems to come close to figuring it out.


*cough* umm sure.

Land Rights for Canaanites!
 
2012-11-14 08:41:12 PM  

mrsirjojo: I'm confused. A "defense" force that "attacks"?

It's almost like they chose the name IDF so people would always subconsciously presume they only fought in order to defend themselves.

And it's almost like anytime they go on the offensive, they claim it's part of a larger defensive tactic.


exactly.
 
2012-11-14 08:51:01 PM  
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2012-11-14 08:51:29 PM  

marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.


yes.

we were wrong.

it was wrong then...and it's wrong now.
 
2012-11-14 08:57:34 PM  
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Yo! Semite Sam! Look out - he's got a falafel!
 
2012-11-14 09:05:26 PM  
Communist_Manifesto: Israel does not allow freedom of movement for palestinians within Israel

Tatsuma: America does not allow freedom of movement of Mexicans in Israel. APARTHEID


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Did ... did you just have a stroke? Do you need help?
 
2012-11-14 09:15:36 PM  

Seraphym: My list of red names always swells during one of these threads.

Thank you for coming out of the woodwork, you illogical poorly-studied simpletons, and taking Hamas' side. You certainly didn't add anything new to the "debate," but reading your moronic hatred and basic inability to grasp simple fact and logic is always usually amusing. 


And, speaking of illogical poorly-studied simpletons, again we're back to there being only two "sides."
 
2012-11-14 09:16:04 PM  

bostonguy: Blue_Blazer: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.

False equivalency. Israel did not "take their land."

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, gave up th ...


Seems easy - make a country called 'Palestine' - that is a free democracy where everyone lives in peace.

Demographics would end up being about 6mil Jews and about 6mil Arab (with about half a mil left over for the rest.)

Seems like a perfect place for a two party democratic system.
 
2012-11-14 09:17:37 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: Communist_Manifesto: Seraphym: My list of red names always swells during one of these threads.

Thank you for coming out of the woodwork, you illogical poorly-studied simpletons, and taking Hamas' side. You certainly didn't add anything new to the "debate," but reading your moronic hatred and basic inability to grasp simple fact and logic is always usually amusing. 

/why yes, that's pure ad hominem... I'm not trying to debate you, your position has been crushed by not only multiple prior Fark threads but by the majority of modern western leaders' opinions as well (ooh, argumentum ad populum et ad vericundiam too!)
//but that's why you're so entertaining... you're like truthers, you just never quit

You sound fat

Ooooh, The communist is butthurt. If "you sound fat" is your retort, you've lost the arguement, homey. Go troll another thread.


That whooshing sound was the joke going over your head.
 
2012-11-14 09:20:46 PM  

RanDomino: Tatsuma is one of the few people on Fark I would not hesitate to call evil and I sincerely hope he eats a Qassam in the next few weeks.


Really? Isn't that a little harsh?

Overzealous, certainly. A bit derptastic, probably. But evil?
 
2012-11-14 09:42:58 PM  

mrsirjojo: I'm confused. A "defense" force that "attacks"?

It's almost like they chose the name IDF so people would always subconsciously presume they only fought in order to defend themselves.

And it's almost like anytime they go on the offensive, they claim it's part of a larger defensive tactic.



That's right, those bloodthirsty Jews should only be allowed to battle those rockets and mortar rounds once they cross into Israeli territory.
 
2012-11-14 09:46:29 PM  

ciberido: RanDomino: Tatsuma is one of the few people on Fark I would not hesitate to call evil and I sincerely hope he eats a Qassam in the next few weeks.

Really? Isn't that a little harsh?

Overzealous, certainly. A bit derptastic, probably. But evil?



The world is a much simpler place when you just write off smart people who disagree with you as "consciously evil." Because it's unpossible for two people on opposite sides of an issue to both legitimately belive that they're advocating for the justified, correct side.
 
2012-11-14 09:58:23 PM  

BigNumber12: ciberido: RanDomino: Tatsuma is one of the few people on Fark I would not hesitate to call evil and I sincerely hope he eats a Qassam in the next few weeks.

Really? Isn't that a little harsh?

Overzealous, certainly. A bit derptastic, probably. But evil?


The world is a much simpler place when you just write off smart people who disagree with you as "consciously evil." Because it's unpossible for two people on opposite sides of an issue to both legitimately belive that they're advocating for the justified, correct side.


you assume he's smart.

you do not know the pre-conversion "tats".

not. at. all.
 
2012-11-14 10:00:05 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: bostonguy: Objectively speaking, the ball is in the Palestinians' court. Israel just wants to be left alone. If terrorists in Gaza would simply STOP. FIRING. ROCKETS. then Israel would leave Gaza alone. After all, Israel packed up and left. But, no, the extremists there do not want Israel to exist.

Full stop. That's the situation.

I believe that's an oversimplification, but I agree Palestinians need to stop firing the rockets. On the different side of the same token though, there are Israeli extremists who do not want Palestine to exist. I just think that since Israel has pretty much ALL of the power (let's face it, the iron dome shoots most of these rockets down and they have an airforce and tanks etc.) it is Israel who has to stop the cycle. Maybe instead of responding to rocket attacks, respond with food drops instead of bombs. It's a very messed up situation but I believe that power dynamics only truly change when the entity with the most power decides to give some of it up.

To a degree, they have given some of it up. They stopped occupying Gaza, gave more autonomy to the West Bank, and generally gave Hamas free reign on the political side of the court when it came to Gaza, while tacitly supporting Fatah as the "legitimate" rulers of Palestine (Fun fact for people who keep saying Fatah / Hamas is the legit democratically elected government of the people: There were supposed to be re-elections on both sides a long, long time ago. They are both essentially straw-dictators supported by opposing factions. I saw straw because without the support they are getting, they would topple and the other side would pounce like a starved dog on sirloin)

Cast Lead in 08/09 gave Israel "back" some of the power (it also actually turned Gazan's public opinion somewhat against Hamas, not that it matters to anyone), but reversed the trend, unfortunately. Since Cast Lead, GDP and GNI have been rising -- dramatically, in Gaza and the West Bank, especially after the embargo was lessened as part of a cease-fire deal.

My personal belief, as someone with a pretty big stake in this whole thing, is that Israel has a good short term anti-terror policy (Targeted Killings, denial of attack), but really, really terrible long term strategy. A lot of people support or turn to terrorism because they have not many salient options left to those around them (generally, low ranking terrorists are from the middle class and act "on behalf" of those less fortunate than them). If Israel allowed more growth in the occupied territories, then the people who currently support terrorism or for whom terrorism is acted "on behalf of" would have a lot more to lose from a military conflict, and hence, there would be less support.

None of this works without a functioning democracy on the side of the Palestinians, however. The current crop of leaders don't give two farks about the people, they just want to spit in Israel's eye. And Israel isn't too keen on there being a democracy nearby which could better advocate against the settlers.
 
2012-11-14 10:01:27 PM  
i was here.

i saw it all go down.

he was a bush licking drone...from the states...who is a transplant "jew".

he's no more "jewish"...than the people who are bombing gaza.

he's "hipster jewish"...if there ever was such a thing.
 
2012-11-14 10:03:53 PM  

ciberido: RanDomino: Tatsuma is one of the few people on Fark I would not hesitate to call evil and I sincerely hope he eats a Qassam in the next few weeks.

Really? Isn't that a little harsh?

Overzealous, certainly. A bit derptastic, probably. But evil?


lol...he's not evil.

he just longs to be.

-there is a difference.
 
2012-11-14 10:11:53 PM  

TheBigJerk: ideamaster: TheBigJerk: I like how you contradict yourself in the same post. Makes things a lot quicker. Yeah I remember this story from back when it happened. They raided a ship they had no right to, they found NOTHING but tools and equipment that you would expect to find on an aid ship, and they refused to let a whole bunch of shiat on through because their "embargo list" is not meant to stop the militants from arming up but to keep the civilians miserable.

Did you know they banned chocolate? They stopped banning it later but that's what Israel is doing to Gaza.

How do you rebuild a destroyed neighborhood without cement?

i included it from the article, because i knew you wouldn't read it.

Didn't need to do more than skim it, since I have a functioning memory and already KNOW the story. Though to be fair I didn't remember the night-vision goggles and actually find the claim suspect.

Of course you are just spewing your ignorance. nothing but tools and equipment on an aid ship. bullet proof vests and night vision googles. yep.

Yes, exactly. Glad you agree. Because if you DIDN'T agree, if you wanted to claim that some light-enhancement goggles and (what, 2?) bulletproof vests are tools of terror I'd have to point and laugh at you. That would be as ridiculous as claiming chocolate is a military munition.

You also skipped over the part where they were offered to have their materials scanned. You are welcome to provide the embargo list if you want.

Why? The shiat you LISTED is already bananas. A war-ravaged territory is denied farking cement "because they might use it to build bunkers"? Here's the wiki article if you're curious. It was outright insane, now it's just fairly asinine. By the way "offered to have their materials scanned" was, if you didn't pay attention when it was happening, the nice way of saying, "demanded by an agency with questionable (at best) authority to hand all their goods TO said authority with the dubious promise those goods would be delivered at a later date after exhaustive search and seizure."

But it isn't worth my time arguing with you. After all night vision goggles are fun for the whole family.

Well actually, they are. But they are also useful for things like spotting things at night, which sailors are known to want to do, from time to time.

I mean there are no beautiful perfect flower-children in this tawdry tale of violence and human evil, but calling the hijacking of that ship "piracy" is at worst, mild hyperbole.


It was searched. It's intended and published destination was already Israel. So they prevented any prohibited materials from entering.

That hardly accounts to piracy. Especially since they were offered to land at an authorized port and have thier cargo inspected.

If they had nothing to hide then why didn't they accept the proper port and be searched? Also in the event you didn't know. Other weapons that fit into nice wooden boxes are easy to throw overboard.

If you still want to claim to your piracy nonsense them go right ahead. And I will file you in the right wing nut job folder. And that is an affront to right wing nut jobs.

Also it is clear that you don't have children (or you are too stupid to realize) that they will always test thier boundaries. They might not be commiting a cardinal offense today. But they are looking go a chance to see exactly what they can get away with and how.

If you don't find a list of embargoed materials and bring that to the conversation. You can consider this conversation over.

After all you of superior knowledge and intellect and you extoll of the non-weaponized virtues of concrete. I look forward to a discussion on the supreme evils of the devil Israel and thier extreme oppression on a mon-existent nation called Palestine and the non-existent "palestinian" peoples. No embargo list, no discussion.
 
2012-11-14 10:19:18 PM  

ideamaster: If you still want to claim to your piracy nonsense them go right ahead. And I will file you in the right wing nut job folder. And that is an affront to right wing nut jobs.



How does that make him "right wing?" That really seems to be becoming a catch-all insult anymore, like "troll" or "hipster."
 
2012-11-14 10:22:54 PM  

BigNumber12: ideamaster: If you still want to claim to your piracy nonsense them go right ahead. And I will file you in the right wing nut job folder. And that is an affront to right wing nut jobs.


How does that make him "right wing?" That really seems to be becoming a catch-all insult anymore, like "troll" or "hipster."


-- That was sort of the point of the example. Chances are he would hate to be grouped as a right wing person, so that was simply my chosen label. Hence the "and that is an affront to right wing nut jobs".

Writing is not my strong point, however it appears that you have taken a similar agreement with me that calling someone a right wing nut job is essentially banging on the table.
 
2012-11-14 10:33:11 PM  

ciberido: Seraphym: My list of red names always swells during one of these threads.

Thank you for coming out of the woodwork, you illogical poorly-studied simpletons, and taking Hamas' side. You certainly didn't add anything new to the "debate," but reading your moronic hatred and basic inability to grasp simple fact and logic is always usually amusing. 

And, speaking of illogical poorly-studied simpletons, again we're back to there being only two "sides."


Nice try, but.... when it comes to "It's okay for Hamas to fire rockets at and suicide bomb among Israeli citizens, or it's not," there really are only two sides. Beyond that, I insinuated nothing in my post about any position or opinion limitations for any potential solution. But you knew that and just wanted to get in that quick jab. You missed, watch your footing next time.
 
2012-11-14 10:35:18 PM  
www.screeninsults.com

"He who liveth by the sword shall be stucketh."
 
2012-11-14 10:47:36 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: I'd continually launch rockets at you as well if you kept me segregated in an apartheid prison state and were never going to let me out ever. It's time for Israel to give gaza and the west bank back to the palesitinians and let them administer themselves as a sovereign nation. If they still continue the rocket fire farkery after that, then nuke them for all I care. At least you could say you tried instead of looking like a bunch of complete assholes trying to keep a group of people living in utter despair.

They did try.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit#Reasons_for_impas s e

Arafat walked away from the table because he didn't want a two-state solution. He wanted Israel gone.
 
2012-11-14 11:41:29 PM  
Heh.

Every other day it seems I run into people who don't understand that just because someone is living in poverty, hungry, sick, almost powerless and weak, that doesn't automatically make them the good guys. I know the US loves an underdog, but some folks are just plain stupid about this.

The truth of the matter is very simple: As soon as Palestinians care more about their own children and lives than they do about killing jews, their whole world is going to get a lot better. Once they focus on making their lives better and not other people's worse, they'll quickly have access to industry, business, education, health care, art, technology, and maybe even be able to participate in global culture.

Kids throwing rocks at tanks is a powerful emotional image of defiance. It's easy to forget which side is actually the aggressor, and why the tanks had to be there in the first place.

Sadly, they've got that head disease called religion, and it's apparently better to have your children dismembered by return fire than to, say, not fire mortars from their bedroom or a school.
 
2012-11-14 11:46:41 PM  
ISO15693
You know as well as anyone else that they do that to create a buffer zone because of the endless stream of crazies launching mortars and declaring "death to israel", crossing the border to capture people, and driving suicide bombers through checkpoints, to kill as many israelis as they can.

A buffer zone made of civilians?

Hey, going to acknowledge that Hamas held up its end of the 2008 ceasefire? You farking piece of shiat?


Bauer
you do not know the pre-conversion "tats".

Fark account number: 35618
Account created: 2002-05-06 11:17:50

Tread lightly, mortals!

/although I'm only 100,000 behind you
 
2012-11-14 11:48:11 PM  
quietwalker
As soon as Palestinians care more about their own children and lives than they do about killing jews,

woof woof bark meow
 
2012-11-14 11:55:31 PM  
Hardline Zionists (settlers) are just a fanatical and violent as is claimed of the Palestinians.

GIS Israeli settler interviews and see what these people have to say. Their hateful bigoted rhetoric would be right at home in the American South.
 
2012-11-15 12:05:05 AM  

Seraphym: ciberido: Seraphym: My list of red names always swells during one of these threads.

Thank you for coming out of the woodwork, you illogical poorly-studied simpletons, and taking Hamas' side. You certainly didn't add anything new to the "debate," but reading your moronic hatred and basic inability to grasp simple fact and logic is always usually amusing. 

And, speaking of illogical poorly-studied simpletons, again we're back to there being only two "sides."

Nice try, but.... when it comes to "It's okay for Hamas to fire rockets at and suicide bomb among Israeli citizens, or it's not," there really are only two sides. Beyond that, I insinuated nothing in my post about any position or opinion limitations for any potential solution. But you knew that and just wanted to get in that quick jab. You missed, watch your footing next time.


It's cute that you think this is a contest with you the judge of the winner.
 
2012-11-15 12:20:26 AM  

quietwalker: Heh.

Every other day it seems I run into people who don't understand that just because someone is living in poverty, hungry, sick, almost powerless and weak, that doesn't automatically make them the good guys. I know the US loves an underdog, but some folks are just plain stupid about this.

The truth of the matter is very simple: As soon as Palestinians care more about their own children and lives than they do about killing jews, their whole world is going to get a lot better. Once they focus on making their lives better and not other people's worse, they'll quickly have access to industry, business, education, health care, art, technology, and maybe even be able to participate in global culture.

Kids throwing rocks at tanks is a powerful emotional image of defiance. It's easy to forget which side is actually the aggressor, and why the tanks had to be there in the first place.

Sadly, they've got that head disease called religion, and it's apparently better to have your children dismembered by return fire than to, say, not fire mortars from their bedroom or a school.


Gosh that sooo sounds like: "The beatings will continue until moral improves."
 
2012-11-15 12:20:36 AM  

RanDomino: quietwalker
As soon as Palestinians care more about their own children and lives than they do about killing jews,

woof woof bark meow


Was that supposed to be a clever response? I see now! Let's look at your continued focus on the 2008 cease fire truce:

In 2008, two enemies who see every move by the other as a potential attack call a truce, and though neither side is completely committed, nor successful in maintaining their promises, much of the attempted murder stops.

However, the weaker party decides it has suffered one too many violations, even as they have violations of their own, and call off the truce, attacking by targeting civilian populations.

It may not have seemed fair to the palestinians, but this was not a very clever response - they were devastated as israel made good on their threats of escalated retaliation.

That's without addressing the ethical or legal issues of deliberately attacking a civilian population and indiscriminately firing ordnance into civilian areas, which regardless of it's provocation is considered a war crime.

Perhaps it will be of some comfort that you appear to have a response as clever as the Palestinians?
 
2012-11-15 12:21:08 AM  

Langdon_777: quietwalker: Heh.

Every other day it seems I run into people who don't understand that just because someone is living in poverty, hungry, sick, almost powerless and weak, that doesn't automatically make them the good guys. I know the US loves an underdog, but some folks are just plain stupid about this.

The truth of the matter is very simple: As soon as Palestinians care more about their own children and lives than they do about killing jews, their whole world is going to get a lot better. Once they focus on making their lives better and not other people's worse, they'll quickly have access to industry, business, education, health care, art, technology, and maybe even be able to participate in global culture.

Kids throwing rocks at tanks is a powerful emotional image of defiance. It's easy to forget which side is actually the aggressor, and why the tanks had to be there in the first place.

Sadly, they've got that head disease called religion, and it's apparently better to have your children dismembered by return fire than to, say, not fire mortars from their bedroom or a school.

Gosh that sooo sounds like: "The beatings will continue until moral improves."


Oops missed an 'e' ... mmm miss E's.
 
2012-11-15 12:24:33 AM  

quietwalker: RanDomino: quietwalker
As soon as Palestinians care more about their own children and lives than they do about killing jews,

woof woof bark meow

Was that supposed to be a clever response? I see now! Let's look at your continued focus on the 2008 cease fire truce:

In 2008, two enemies who see every move by the other as a potential attack call a truce, and though neither side is completely committed, nor successful in maintaining their promises, much of the attempted murder stops.

However, the weaker party decides it has suffered one too many violations, even as they have violations of their own, and call off the truce, attacking by targeting civilian populations.

It may not have seemed fair to the palestinians, but this was not a very clever response - they were devastated as israel made good on their threats of escalated retaliation.

That's without addressing the ethical or legal issues of deliberately attacking a civilian population and indiscriminately firing ordnance into civilian areas, which regardless of it's provocation is considered a war crime.

Perhaps it will be of some comfort that you appear to have a response as clever as the Palestinians?


STEALING LAND is probably the start of the problem.

Stop stealing their land and boxing them into concentration camps and you might get a better response.

(Oh and as for why I do not biatch about the Palestinian's shiat as much as the Israeli shiat - its because in terms of power/control/information the later are adults compared too kids.
 
2012-11-15 12:27:39 AM  
The thing I love about these threads is that I an genuinely convinced that at least half a dozen people in here are the same guy. Wasn't this proven a while back when that person responded to himself and forgot to switch to his alt?
 
2012-11-15 12:34:33 AM  

RanDomino: ISO15693
Wow. Somebody defending Hamas.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x579]

Is there some aspect of this chart that you find disagreeable? Do you have some contradicting evidence, perhaps?
Will you just be ignoring it, like every other Israel apologist so far?


I find this chart fascinating. Can you show me the period on the chart with ZERO attacks?

No?

And yet you claim one party was "holding up their end of the agreement."

Unless that agreement was to only fire "a couple" of shells a month, then your chart is not showing you something useful.
 
2012-11-15 12:42:11 AM  

Langdon_777: quietwalker: Heh.

Every other day it seems I run into people who don't understand that just because someone is living in poverty, hungry, sick, almost powerless and weak, that doesn't automatically make them the good guys. I know the US loves an underdog, but some folks are just plain stupid about this.

Gosh that sooo sounds like: "The beatings will continue until moral improves."


I can't disagree with that, because it seems to be true.

Israel has maintained a policy of escalated response in return to any attack. We, the US, have supported that policy because we felt it was the only way to enforce the illusion of peace: when faced with overwhelming losses for every aggressive action, only idiots - or irrational idealists - would fight.

Anyone can point out how this leads to a cycle of never ending retaliation. Here's the thing though, Israel is too strong to be beaten by them. The rocket attacks are completely futile, and they only incur more causalities on their own side. It doesn't matter if it seems unfair, or even if it IS unfair. The rational thing to do is to realize they lost the physical fight, they cannot win with violence, and suck up the loss of pride and the various indignities (unfairly?) imposed upon them with humility until they can be seen as rational participants in the world as a whole, and make their case with words.

This is not punitive, or targeting them specifically. This was demonstrated by germany & japan from ww2, blacks and women in pre-equality/suffrage america, and hell, the entire body of arab nations in the 1948 arab-israeli war.

In a way, they hold all the power. They simply have to want peace, in order to have it.
 
2012-11-15 12:46:53 AM  

quietwalker: Langdon_777: quietwalker: Heh.

Every other day it seems I run into people who don't understand that just because someone is living in poverty, hungry, sick, almost powerless and weak, that doesn't automatically make them the good guys. I know the US loves an underdog, but some folks are just plain stupid about this.

Gosh that sooo sounds like: "The beatings will continue until moral improves."

I can't disagree with that, because it seems to be true.

Israel has maintained a policy of escalated response in return to any attack. We, the US, have supported that policy because we felt it was the only way to enforce the illusion of peace: when faced with overwhelming losses for every aggressive action, only idiots - or irrational idealists - would fight.

Anyone can point out how this leads to a cycle of never ending retaliation. Here's the thing though, Israel is too strong to be beaten by them. The rocket attacks are completely futile, and they only incur more causalities on their own side. It doesn't matter if it seems unfair, or even if it IS unfair. The rational thing to do is to realize they lost the physical fight, they cannot win with violence, and suck up the loss of pride and the various indignities (unfairly?) imposed upon them with humility until they can be seen as rational participants in the world as a whole, and make their case with words.

This is not punitive, or targeting them specifically. This was demonstrated by germany & japan from ww2, blacks and women in pre-equality/suffrage america, and hell, the entire body of arab nations in the 1948 arab-israeli war.

In a way, they hold all the power. They simply have to want peace, in order to have it.


No its not!

The rational thing is to go seriously underground and start a proper asymmetric war - you kill their leaders and you kill their leaders families.

But you are right that so far the response has been pitiful - unguided random rocket attacks that mostly land in empty deserts meh.

You wanna win then target their leaders and everything they care about.
 
2012-11-15 01:17:04 AM  

TheBigJerk: I should be in the kitchen: That's the biatch of it all, there is no clear-cut solution that will satisfy all parties involved... As you said, "a whole lotta gray." And with the conflicts in that region going back so far, good luck getting anyone to compromise. I believe the two-state solution to be the most equitable but unfortunately there would only be a temporary truce at best until the violence starts up again.

It's a complete clusterfark over there and I'm not comfortable with us getting dragged into yet another war in the Middle East but it's looking more and more likely. It's farking depressing that my nieces and my friends' kids have never known a time when we weren't at war.

To be fair, how many people have? America doesn't FEEL it like the semites but we've been at a state of perpetual war for 11-60+ years (depending on how and which wars you count). Even when they're "at peace" neither side has the ability (or particularly strong interest) in stopping 100% of the violence, and whether it's a couple of asshole college kids dumping dirty diapers in a well or a suicide bomber blowing up a bus the "peacetime" and "unsanctioned" attacks will be used as justification. Hell, to pull out the ridiculous and retarded US/Mexico comparison, only 25 cartel-related kidnappings was counted as "No 'spillover' violence from Mexican drug-cartel wars.


To be technical, they're ALL Semites in the region. Basically just one group fighting against another group for which magical con-man is more to their liking.

Ahhh. . . as bad as things can be over here, at least we don't have a religious government.
 
2012-11-15 01:46:12 AM  

ideamaster: It was searched. It's intended and published destination was already Israel. So they prevented any prohibited materials from entering.


It wasn't "searched," it was off-loaded in an Israeli-controlled port and the IDF held it for several months before allowing the UN to come in and deliver it the rest of the way.

That hardly accounts to piracy. Especially since they were offered to land at an authorized port and have thier cargo inspected.

Because they have the authority to do that...according to you and in contravention of international maritime law. (I know, I know, "international law" is an oxymoron hurr hurr)

If they had nothing to hide then why didn't they accept the proper port and be searched? Also in the event you didn't know. Other weapons that fit into nice wooden boxes are easy to throw overboard.

Ah, so we're moving on to making things up entirely. And the footage of this action is mysteriously missing despite all the helicopters buzzing around the ships...why?

Also it is clear that you don't have children (or you are too stupid to realize) that they will always test thier boundaries. They might not be commiting a cardinal offense today. But they are looking go a chance to see exactly what they can get away with and how.

So Palestinians are children, but don't call you a bigot!

If you don't find a list of embargoed materials and bring that to the conversation. You can consider this conversation overI'm just making up non-sequitur demands for information that doesn't actually affect the conversation, I am a filthy troll.

Well since you put it that way, I guess I can help your useless lazy ass. I'm guessing you want to poind the pulpit that construction material was banned, construction material being really the only thing they found worth mentioning (I'm sorry, a handful of non-gun riot gear isn't worth mentioning, and calling a farking pipe wrench on a boat a "munition" is just pathetic).

After all you of superior knowledge and intellect and you extoll of the non-weaponized virtues of concrete.

Y'all are aware that Gaza got didn't get rebuilt after the last time Israel bombed it to shiat, right?

I look forward to a discussion on the supreme evils of the devil Israeldefeating more strawmen I set up and thier extreme oppression on a mon-existent nation called Palestine and the non-existent "palestinian" peoplesblathering tired old saws about dirty muslims all being "arabs" because admitting the Palestinians exist is politically inconvenient. No embargo list, no discussion.Also here's another non sequitur

Lern 2 spel nub. lulz.

Look kiddo, they raided a ship and took its cargo. They did it because of a blockade, but basically everyone but Israel and shills for Israel agrees the blockade was illegal. No one did anything about it for the same reason we don't do anything about Darfur, but a spade is a spade, a raid is a raid, and calling it "piracy" is the kind of passive-aggressive technically correct that's good clean fun.

You wouldn't even CARE if you weren't emotionally invested in shilling for Israel for some obtuse reason. I mean, let's be honest, the two ethnic groups are the mediterranean equivalent of rednecks having a feud, and have been since foreverty ago. There were terrorist actions being committed by both sides back in the days of the Ottoman Empire, I learned that when Tatsuma brought up "evils of Islam in the 1930s" and someone else countered with some local Jewish atrocity of some relatively equivalent value. It's what they did, because at the time they were peasants in a slowly-collapsing feudal empire. Hell half the problem with the land disputes is that the local land had anywhere from 2 to 5 different owners. Absentee landlords in Turkey, local squatters, the local squatters they'd kicked off of it up to 2 generations ago, OTHER absentee landlords with equally specious claims of ownership, bedouins wandering through and saying, "oh yeah, I own that land. Y'all pay cash, right?"

Palestine's shooting rockets, they're dirty and horrible. Israel's embargoing the "non-existent country" that is not allowed sovereignty but somehow not their responsibility. Bombings and shootings and poisoning wells is commonplace.

But I'm not supposed to point out when ONE side pulls some bullshiat because it's only fair if I take the side of...

which side were you one again? I've already forgotten to care.
 
2012-11-15 01:49:10 AM  

gobstopping: To be technical, they're ALL Semites in the region.


That's why I used the term, the perpetual war sucks for everybody over there.
 
2012-11-15 02:52:30 AM  

TheBigJerk: Look kiddo, they raided a ship and took its cargo. They did it because of a blockade, but basically everyone but Israel and shills for Israel agrees the blockade was illegal.


from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_blockade
Opinion on the legality of the blockade is mixed. In September 2011, a UN investigative committee concluded in the Palmer Report that the naval blockade is legal and had to be judged isolated from the restrictions on goods reaching Gaza via the land crossings.

I guess you want to update wikipedia, but then again the jews own the media.

As for spell check, I don't think you are worth the effort, but I do appreciate you finding the list for me. I did some initial digging before, but I got sidetracked. I appreciate the assistance, it will help me with other 'tired old windbags' such as yourself.

The list seems pretty straightforward, I will see about contacting the Israeli government and complain that iphones and ipods are not allowed on that list.

As for being labeled a troll for supporting Israel, that is the least I can do. I have been called much worse for doing less. I will consider it a badge of honor. If you would let me know if you are part of the" religion of thugs peace" it would make that title so much sweeter.
 
2012-11-15 03:10:16 AM  

ideamaster: As for being labeled a troll for supporting Israel, that is the least I can do. I have been called much worse for doing less. I will consider it a badge of honor. If you would let me know if you are part of the" religion of thugs peace" it would make that title so much sweeter.


In the West, there are two opinions on Israel v Palestine.
The first is supportive of Israel. They often cast Israel as a victim ( a nuclear-armed victim with tanks, jets, and USA to UN backing ), and they like to appear as a victim as well, if they can. Bigotry(usually the racism brand) is a frequent call of the Israel-supporter, but then they turn around and insult Islam. They are hypocrites who practice cognitive dissonance.

The second is objective. Nobody supports Palestine & Hamas, thinks that firing rockets is a good thing. But a lot of rational people are quite willing to say that Israel isn't doing a good thing either. In fact, Israel's done a lot of bad things, and most of the time, they use earlier persecutions from non-Palestinians to justify it. Objective persons are not afraid to point out that the guerillas in Palestine aren't going to be cowed by airstrikes, and this tepid eye for an eye bullshiat isn't getting anyone anywhere. For every militant they kill, they create ten more, not to mention the civilian "collateral damage" - the only way for what Israel's doing to work, is to go as far as genocide.

That's why you're being labeled a troll. Nobody thinks you're so utterly devoid of rationality. But don't worry. I don't think you're a troll at all.
 
2012-11-15 03:18:41 AM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Mid_mo_mad_man:
So following your reasoning Canada should belong to the Danes since they where the first to settle it?

As a part Native American man, I can say:



You're racist.

Taking over a land and killing off all who've been there for thousands of years doesn't exactly put you on the moral high ground when it comes to ethical considerations of whose land it was. Whether that be the case with the native tribes of the Americas or the native Semitic tribes of the middle east. Yet, ethics are never so simple, are they?

Plus, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Offering up and considering an alternative perspective with an explanation of its grounds is not the same as taking a position. Not everyone is as simplistic in their thinking as you.


so are you part alcoholic, or full on?
 
2012-11-15 03:34:59 AM  

RanDomino: Israel is kicking things off. The incursion last Saturday that started this mess was a blatant intentional provocation. This is coming immediately after the US elections. They've been planning for major operations for months (I hope we haven't already forgotten the preparation-porn they were showing over the summer).


Total and utter bullshiat, as usual you have no farking clue what the hell you're talking about. The palestinians started this mess by firing rockets on south Israel for weeks and firing an anti-tank missile on soldier's at the border. The ones who are busy with blatant intentional provocation are the palestinians, Israel had to audacity to say 'enough is enough' and actually do something about it besides sounding alarms 4 times a day and sending civilians in all the cities/towns in the south to a bomb shelter.
 
2012-11-15 05:13:01 AM  
If I have to pick a side, sorry ...I like the Jews...they are nicer to me, and don't scare me as much.
 
2012-11-15 06:26:40 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Hamas is learning that when you open fire, people tend to return fire.


But has Israel learned that when you occupy a people for like, what, 40 years? and deny them basic rights and access to medical supplies and clean wanter, those people tend to get a little sore about it.
 
2012-11-15 07:53:51 AM  

Franko: But has Israel learned that when you occupy a people for like, what, 40 years? and deny them basic rights and access to medical supplies and clean wanter, those people tend to get a little sore about it.


Gaza is not occupied, Hamas themselves say so. If you have any complaints please direct them to the palestinian leadership who denies the basic rights of israelis to exist, israelis tend to get a little sore about it.
 
2012-11-15 09:17:38 AM  
TappingTheVein
The palestinians started this mess by firing rockets on south Israel for weeks and firing an anti-tank missile on soldier's at the border.

"at" is a funny way of saying "on the wrong side of"

Gaza is not occupied, Hamas themselves say so.

"Latest UN declaration of Israel's "occupation" is part of a wider push to maintain Palestinian helplessness."

Sounds fair and balanced to me!

Agreed that Gaza is not occupied, although it remains the world's largest concentration camp. When another country regulates food supplies to ensure calorie intake remains slightly above starvation levels, the word "occupation" seems like only a slight exaggeration.
 
2012-11-15 09:47:13 AM  

RanDomino: "at" is a funny way of saying "on the wrong side of"


They were on the Israeli side of the border you farking idiot. Why do you even bother ? how many times do i need to prove that you have no farking clue what the hell you're talking about ?

RanDomino: "Latest UN declaration of Israel's "occupation" is part of a wider push to maintain Palestinian helplessness."

Sounds fair and balanced to me!


Oh yes, the UN has maintained a well documented fair and balanced approach to Israel.

RanDomino: Agreed that Gaza is not occupied, although it remains the world's largest concentration camp.


How dare Israel block the border with an enemy who declared war on Israel and target israeli civilians on a daily basis! this is an outrage! do i need to bother reminding you that this "concentration camp" has a border they, the palestinians, own and control with another country besides Israel rendering your latest comment utter bullshiat as well ?
 
2012-11-15 09:51:57 AM  
TappingTheVein
They were on the Israeli side of the border you farking idiot. Why do you even bother ? how many times do i need to prove that you have no farking clue what the hell you're talking about ?

Naturally the Israeli account of what happened is automatically correct, by default.

How dare Israel block the border with an enemy who declared war on Israel and target israeli civilians on a daily basis!

Collective punishment? pfft more like collective fun-ishment

this is an outrage! do i need to bother reminding you that this "concentration camp" has a border they, the palestinians, own and control with another country besides Israel rendering your latest comment utter bullshiat as well ?

Oh, a country that's given billions of dollars a year by their enemy? yeah, who wouldn't think that's under their control?
 
2012-11-15 10:06:54 AM  

RanDomino: Naturally the Israeli account of what happened is automatically correct, by default.


Are you too embarrassed to admit that you made another farking mistake ? it was a routine patrol on the israeli side of the border, as reported by every news agency. You were, again, very wrong.
I like your logic though: so none of what Hamas has said so far is correct because naturally the Hamas account of what happened is automatically correct.
Seriously, how low can you go from this one ?

RanDomino: Collective punishment? pfft more like collective fun-ishment


Direct your complaints to Hamas and the rest of the merry jihadist terrorists. If it was possible to blockade only them but sadly we live in what is known as reality. Maybe you should join us.

RanDomino: Oh, a country that's given billions of dollars a year by their enemy? yeah, who wouldn't think that's under their control?


I think someone forgot 2 things: 1. who is in charge of Egypt nowdays and 2. the border is open unless Hamas or other terrorist organizations from Gaza attack Egyptian border security checkpoint in Sinai.
 
2012-11-15 10:16:46 AM  
TappingTheVein
Direct your complaints to Hamas and the rest of the merry jihadist terrorists.

Yep, the blockade is all Hamas's doing. Israel has no power. They're just responding. Israel is forced to do this, forced I say.
 
2012-11-15 10:31:13 AM  

RanDomino: Yep, the blockade is all Hamas's doing. Israel has no power. They're just responding. Israel is forced to do this, forced I say.


The blockade is a result of what Hamas are doing. How do you fail to grasp this is beyond me.
 
2012-11-15 10:41:03 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Oh good. A bunch of people who think a magic sky man gave them a chunk of desert in the middle of someone else's property


Well, technically the land was apportioned out of a World War to provide a culture a 'safe haven', and it was carved out of the territory in contention during that conflict. Spoils of War and all that. World Wars tend to shift borders.
 
2012-11-15 11:21:18 AM  
TappingTheVein
The blockade is a result of what Hamas are doing.

Israel is choosing to enforce the blockade. Say it's a response to Hamas if you like, but what you're saying is "Why do you make me have to hit you?"
 
2012-11-15 11:38:05 AM  

RanDomino: Israel is choosing to enforce the blockade.


Because of what Hamas are doing. Do you have brain damage or something ?

RanDomino: but what you're saying is "Why do you make me have to hit you?"


Yes because Israel is forcing Hamas to declare war on Israel and bomb israeli cities. Which they did when Israel left Gaza and gave an opportunity to Hamas and the palestinians to demonstrate to the world how well they behave now that there is no occupation. It was their choice to declare war on Israel, their choice to move their rocket launchers closer to the border for better aim on israeli cities, their choice to declare 'jihad' on Israel, their choice to openly declare that they refuse to accept the existence of Israel. Their choice to fire an anti-tank missile on an israeli patrol on the israeli side of the border, Are you sensing a theme here ?

Why are you treating the palestinians like retarded children with no responsibility for their own actions ? do you even understand that the palestinians are responsible for what they are doing ? or are you so fixated on your "it's all Israel's fault!" that you choose to ignore this ?
 
2012-11-15 11:42:23 AM  
Now if you excuse me, the palestinians just chose to indiscriminately bomb civilians in my city ,the alarm is sounding outside.
 
2012-11-15 11:42:36 AM  

RanDomino: TappingTheVein
The blockade is a result of what Hamas are doing.

Israel is choosing to enforce the blockade. Say it's a response to Hamas if you like, but what you're saying is "Why do you make me have to hit you?"


Which is true, admittedly.

Ceasefires don't work, talks don't work. Every diplomat who can be forced to issue a statement says the two will never resolve because they have differing strategic goals (and when one side will only accept the complete obliteration of the other side as their long term goal, you're already coming from a hard place), so those involved and the world should focus on improving security and stability. Thus, a blockade, to ensure that less munitions make it into the region. Thus attacks aimed at both munition stockpiles and leaders who encourage attacks.

Since the only option Israel has at this point is capitulation (they all kill themselves, or subject themselves to murder - as a race, total genocide) or violence, each time Palestine provokes them, they are making Israel 'hit them'. There's a lot of people in the world who are asking the Palestinians: Why do you keep making Israel hit you?
 
2012-11-15 11:55:44 AM  

Tatsuma:
America does not allow freedom of movement of Mexicans in Israel. APARTHEID


Having traveled to Israel in 2006 from the United States accompanied by my then fiancee/now wife who is a born-in-Mexico Mexican and who used her United States-issued green card alongside her Mexico-issued passport, I can personally refute your statement here. We had not one single problem going to, within or returning from Israel to the US.
 
2012-11-15 12:05:03 PM  
It is important to understand one simple point: there is no moral symmetry between the terrorists in Gaza and Israel.

Hamas are committing double war crimes: they fire at Israeli civilians and hide behind Palestinian civilians
 
2012-11-15 12:09:47 PM  
TappingTheVein
Because of what Hamas are doing. Do you have brain damage or something ?

Israel chooses to enforce the blockade, not Hamas. Give whatever justification you like for it.

Why are you treating the palestinians like retarded children with no responsibility for their own actions ?

Why are you trying to say Israel has no choice but to respond in ways that have not succeeded in bringing peace? Doing the same thing that doesn't work over and over again is either insanity, or an indication of an ulterior motive. If Israel wants peace, its actions have been nonsensical. If the goal is to create the pretext for a land grab in the West Bank, the actions make perfect sense.
 
2012-11-15 12:11:53 PM  
How it's possible to say that the blockade is not an Israeli action is beyond me.


ISO15693
Hamas are committing double war crimes: they fire at Israeli civilians and hide behind Palestinian civilians

Of course- if the IDF kills civilians, it must be because there were terrorists hiding behind them. If you break a few eggs, it's an omelet!
 
2012-11-15 12:14:49 PM  

RanDomino: How it's possible to say that the blockade is not an Israeli action is beyond me.


ISO15693
Hamas are committing double war crimes: they fire at Israeli civilians and hide behind Palestinian civilians

Of course- if the IDF kills civilians, it must be because there were terrorists hiding behind them. If you break a few eggs, it's an omelet!


Here is a picture for you, since the words were too complicated, apparently.

www.realclearpolitics.com
 
2012-11-15 12:22:44 PM  

RanDomino: srael chooses to enforce the blockade, not Hamas. Give whatever justification you like for it.


BECAUSE of what Hamas are doing. What the hell is wrong with you ?

RanDomino: Why are you trying to say Israel has no choice but to respond in ways that have not succeeded in bringing peace?


It has succeeded in stopping the violence from the palestinian terrorists, Israeli cities are bombed, this is unacceptable. Sending bouquets of flowers to Hamas so far failed in stopping the jihadists.
Blowing them up did.

RanDomino: Doing the same thing that doesn't work over and over again is either insanity, or an indication of an ulterior motive


Since it seemed to work last time in Cast Lead, i will have to conclude that again you have no farking clue what the hell you're talking about.

RanDomino: If Israel wants peace, its actions have been nonsensical. If the goal is to create the pretext for a land grab in the West Bank, the actions make perfect sense.


If the Palestinians want peace they should accept the fact that Israel exists and is going to exist and bombing israeli cities is not a constructive way of establishing peace.
Sure land grab, just like handing Gaza to the palestinians and giving up 92% of the West Bank in a proposed agreement (which the palestinians refused to accept). You sure know what you're talking about.

RanDomino: How it's possible to say that the blockade is not an Israeli action is beyond me.


It is you moron. Because of the palestinians actions, you know: the ones you keep ignoring.
 
2012-11-15 04:04:39 PM  

RanDomino: TappingTheVein
Because of what Hamas are doing. Do you have brain damage or something ?

Israel chooses to enforce the blockade, not Hamas. Give whatever justification you like for it.

Why are you treating the palestinians like retarded children with no responsibility for their own actions ?

Why are you trying to say Israel has no choice but to respond in ways that have not succeeded in bringing peace? Doing the same thing that doesn't work over and over again is either insanity, or an indication of an ulterior motive. If Israel wants peace, its actions have been nonsensical. If the goal is to create the pretext for a land grab in the West Bank, the actions make perfect sense.


well said.
 
2012-11-15 04:14:04 PM  
the solution is simple.

the rogue state of "israel" should not exist.

it was a mistake from it's illegal conception.

-one day soon...it will implode from its own greed.

and the world will be better off.
 
2012-11-15 04:22:06 PM  

Jost: Tatsuma:
America does not allow freedom of movement of Mexicans in Israel. APARTHEID


Having traveled to Israel in 2006 from the United States accompanied by my then fiancee/now wife who is a born-in-Mexico Mexican and who used her United States-issued green card alongside her Mexico-issued passport, I can personally refute your statement here. We had not one single problem going to, within or returning from Israel to the US.


[notsureifsrs.jpg]
 
2012-11-15 04:24:28 PM  

Bauer: one day soon...it will implode from its own greed.


Yes, their political system and standard of living clearly indicate "on the brink of implosion." If only they could imitate the success of their neighbors.
 
2012-11-15 04:25:21 PM  

Isildur: Jost: Tatsuma:
America does not allow freedom of movement of Mexicans in Israel. APARTHEID


Having traveled to Israel in 2006 from the United States accompanied by my then fiancee/now wife who is a born-in-Mexico Mexican and who used her United States-issued green card alongside her Mexico-issued passport, I can personally refute your statement here. We had not one single problem going to, within or returning from Israel to the US.

[notsureifsrs.jpg]


It's a joke.
 
2012-11-15 05:07:23 PM  

RanDomino: Why are you trying to say Israel has no choice but to respond in ways that have not succeeded in bringing peace?


Exercise for the reader: Of the two regions of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, Israel pulled out of the ____ _____. Since then, of the two, the vast majority of the rockets and mortars have been fired from the ____ _____ side at Israeli c______ns (achieving absolutely nothing for the Palestinian c______ns) -- thus cementing in the minds of Israelis that the _____ organization can [not|indeed] be worked with for the mutual security and of all.

Hmm, let's see... ways that do succeed at bringing peace... oh, I know: Israel should negotiate with an organization who still refuses (and has repeatedly sworn that they will never budge on refusing) to recognize any right of Israel to exist. Brilliant!

/I still think that Israel should pull out of most of the West Bank as well (forcibly removing, if necessary, settlements by radical settlers, as was done in Gaza), but to pretend that Israel has easy options at this point is idiotic.
 
2012-11-15 05:10:50 PM  

BigNumber12: Isildur: Jost: Tatsuma:
America does not allow freedom of movement of Mexicans in Israel. APARTHEID


Having traveled to Israel in 2006 from the United States accompanied by my then fiancee/now wife who is a born-in-Mexico Mexican and who used her United States-issued green card alongside her Mexico-issued passport, I can personally refute your statement here. We had not one single problem going to, within or returning from Israel to the US.

[notsureifsrs.jpg]

It's a joke.


Yeah, I thought it may be, but it can be hard to tell deadpan from derp around here, sometimes.
 
2012-11-15 07:53:31 PM  

Bauer: RanDomino: TappingTheVein
Because of what Hamas are doing. Do you have brain damage or something ?

Israel chooses to enforce the blockade, not Hamas. Give whatever justification you like for it.

Why are you treating the palestinians like retarded children with no responsibility for their own actions ?

Why are you trying to say Israel has no choice but to respond in ways that have not succeeded in bringing peace? Doing the same thing that doesn't work over and over again is either insanity, or an indication of an ulterior motive. If Israel wants peace, its actions have been nonsensical. If the goal is to create the pretext for a land grab in the West Bank, the actions make perfect sense.

well said.


media.comicvine.com
 
2012-11-15 08:17:11 PM  

starsrift: ideamaster: As for being labeled a troll for supporting Israel, that is the least I can do. I have been called much worse for doing less. I will consider it a badge of honor. If you would let me know if you are part of the" religion of thugs peace" it would make that title so much sweeter.

In the West, there are two opinions on Israel v Palestine.
The first is supportive of Israel. They often cast Israel as a victim ( a nuclear-armed victim with tanks, jets, and USA to UN backing ), and they like to appear as a victim as well, if they can. Bigotry(usually the racism brand) is a frequent call of the Israel-supporter, but then they turn around and insult Islam. They are hypocrites who practice cognitive dissonance.

The second is objective. Nobody supports Palestine & Hamas, thinks that firing rockets is a good thing. But a lot of rational people are quite willing to say that Israel isn't doing a good thing either. In fact, Israel's done a lot of bad things, and most of the time, they use earlier persecutions from non-Palestinians to justify it. Objective persons are not afraid to point out that the guerillas in Palestine aren't going to be cowed by airstrikes, and this tepid eye for an eye bullshiat isn't getting anyone anywhere. For every militant they kill, they create ten more, not to mention the civilian "collateral damage" - the only way for what Israel's doing to work, is to go as far as genocide.

That's why you're being labeled a troll. Nobody thinks you're so utterly devoid of rationality. But don't worry. I don't think you're a troll at all.


Not a bad summation.

For anyone looking for information on the conflict be sure to use varied sources. European and Asian news have a very different reporting than western English news.
 
2012-11-16 12:49:21 AM  
Isildur
thus cementing in the minds of Israelis that the _____ organization can [not|indeed] be worked with for the mutual security and of all.

upload.wikimedia.org

The problem is that Israelis seem to think safety can come only from a totally dominant position, rather than treating their neighbors respectfully as equals.
 
2012-11-16 01:55:25 AM  
Can I have a citation for that chart?
 
2012-11-16 02:08:34 AM  

RanDomino: The problem is that Israelis seem to think safety can come only from a totally dominant position, rather than treating their neighbors respectfully as equals.


A ridiculously vague statement, in terms of what it actually means regarding how to actually deal with attacks.

Explain what your ideal Israel would do tomorrow, if you were suddenly elected its president. Then please explain in detail what the actual repercussions would be, in the real world. (All while bearing in mind that Hamas is not the African National Congress under Mandela or the Indian National Congress under Ghandi.) 3... 2... 1... aaaaaand go:
 
2012-11-16 03:01:28 AM  

Isildur: Can I have a citation for that chart?


The URL leads to wikipedia. It's used on the wiki page, "List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2008", and appears to be an editor's contribution based on the compilation of the data in that article. Most of the data is sourced from jta.org as well as other news organizations.
 
2012-11-16 03:47:55 AM  

Isildur: RanDomino: The problem is that Israelis seem to think safety can come only from a totally dominant position, rather than treating their neighbors respectfully as equals.

A ridiculously vague statement, in terms of what it actually means regarding how to actually deal with attacks.

Explain what your ideal Israel would do tomorrow, if you were suddenly elected its president. Then please explain in detail what the actual repercussions would be, in the real world. (All while bearing in mind that Hamas is not the African National Congress under Mandela or the Indian National Congress under Ghandi.) 3... 2... 1... aaaaaand go:


I would unify the country into a new state called Palestine and then arrest any violent criminals - seems easy. Only probs is the Israeli's would only be half the population come election day and just maybe they wouldn't be able to keep control of the democracy.
 
2012-11-16 04:20:08 AM  
thumbs.dreamstime.com

I have a graph too! 

You might notice that the bars get bigger, the more to the right of the graph they are.

Refute THAT.
 
2012-11-16 01:02:55 PM  
Isildur
Explain what your ideal Israel would do tomorrow, if you were suddenly elected its president.

Withdraw most of the illegal settlements from the West Bank (except for the most established ones with large populations near the green line) and stop construction of new ones, end the blockade of Gaza, withdraw all IDF forces from the West Bank and let the PA have full control over the Jordan River, etc.

Then please explain in detail what the actual repercussions would be, in the real world.

A coup by far-right Zionists.
 
2012-11-16 01:14:20 PM  

Langdon_777: I would unify the country into a new state called Palestine and then arrest any violent criminals - seems easy. Only probs is the Israeli's would only be half the population come election day and just maybe they wouldn't be able to keep control of the democracy.


Lol, "seems easy". Ok, so you're not even willing to be serious, since there would be nothing "easy" about getting all of Hamas's military/terrorism wing to come quietly -- and that's what you would need to do if you want to avoid massacres of Jews in this new Arab-majority state, akin to what happened in 1941 Baghdad (about 175 Jews killed) or the pogrom in Tripoli after the Allied recaptured Libya, in which more than 140 Jews were killed.

Alternatively, if you are serious but are simply ok with such consequences, there's nothing that can productively be argued with you.
 
2012-11-16 01:24:01 PM  

RanDomino: Isildur
Explain what your ideal Israel would do tomorrow, if you were suddenly elected its president.

Withdraw most of the illegal settlements from the West Bank (except for the most established ones with large populations near the green line) and stop construction of new ones, end the blockade of Gaza, withdraw all IDF forces from the West Bank and let the PA have full control over the Jordan River, etc.

Then please explain in detail what the actual repercussions would be, in the real world.

A coup by far-right Zionists.



Right, so ending the Gaza blockade would result in Hamas stopping all attacks and ending their sworn policy of fighting Israel, and wouldn't result in Hamas simply using the freer access to resupply for a massive campaign of attacks. That's BS, and you know it.
 
2012-11-16 01:39:34 PM  

Isildur: Langdon_777: I would unify the country into a new state called Palestine and then arrest any violent criminals - seems easy. Only probs is the Israeli's would only be half the population come election day and just maybe they wouldn't be able to keep control of the democracy.

Lol, "seems easy". Ok, so you're not even willing to be serious, since there would be nothing "easy" about getting all of Hamas's military/terrorism wing to come quietly -- and that's what you would need to do if you want to avoid massacres of Jews in this new Arab-majority state, akin to what happened in 1941 Baghdad (about 175 Jews killed) or the pogrom in Tripoli after the Allied recaptured Libya, in which more than 140 Jews were killed.

Alternatively, if you are serious but are simply ok with such consequences, there's nothing that can productively be argued with you.


The numbers are pretty much equal really and I will bet my soul that almost all of both sides would prefer a cool fun future than a bloody shot one ... admit the colonial England of the 1940s made a bloody ignorant disrespectful arrogant solution to a scarily painful reality and they made a mistake .. it could have been done sooo much more respectfully.

We all be cousins - esp. in that specific incestuous place on the planet.
 
2012-11-16 04:09:19 PM  
Isildur
Right, so ending the Gaza blockade would result in Hamas stopping all attacks and ending their sworn policy of fighting Israel, and wouldn't result in Hamas simply using the freer access to resupply for a massive campaign of attacks. That's BS, and you know it.

Eventually. Maybe after a few months. What's Israel got to lose? It's not like they've managed to stop the rockets the old fashioned way.
 
2012-11-16 05:22:49 PM  

RanDomino: Isildur
Right, so ending the Gaza blockade would result in Hamas stopping all attacks and ending their sworn policy of fighting Israel, and wouldn't result in Hamas simply using the freer access to resupply for a massive campaign of attacks. That's BS, and you know it.

Eventually. Maybe after a few months. What's Israel got to lose? It's not like they've managed to stop the rockets the old fashioned way.


What it has to lose is exactly the part of my point that you're ignoring -- that Hamas attacks would intensify, not abate.
 
2012-11-16 05:34:18 PM  
Isildur
What it has to lose is exactly the part of my point that you're ignoring -- that Hamas attacks would intensify, not abate.

How do you know that, since it's never been tried? Are you a wizard?

Anyway, I said there's a chance they might, at least initially, but then drop off rapidly as potential militants decide to get real jobs because all of their friends are getting real jobs and buying flashy cars. Holy farking shiat, imagine what would happen to the Palestinian economy if there was an oil pipeline from Saudi Arabia or Iraq terminating in Gaza City! Everyone would forget about that whole "kill the Jews" thing before you can say "Should I spring for the sunroof?".
 
2012-11-16 10:04:34 PM  

RanDomino: Isildur
What it has to lose is exactly the part of my point that you're ignoring -- that Hamas attacks would intensify, not abate.

How do you know that, since it's never been tried? Are you a wizard?

Anyway, I said there's a chance they might, at least initially, but then drop off rapidly as potential militants decide to get real jobs because all of their friends are getting real jobs and buying flashy cars. Holy farking shiat, imagine what would happen to the Palestinian economy if there was an oil pipeline from Saudi Arabia or Iraq terminating in Gaza City! Everyone would forget about that whole "kill the Jews" thing before you can say "Should I spring for the sunroof?".


How do I know? How about taking them at their own words to never renounce fighting Israel while it exists at any form within the former British mandate of Palestine?


Right, because the investment you describe is likely to happen while there's "initial violence" going on?

Look, extremist groups can possibly become more moderate, but there's simply no evidence currently supporting optimism in Hamas's case, and there likely won't be, as long as their stated goal is what it is: to end Israel -- not end "the current state of siege" -- but to thoroughly destroy "the Zionist entity". At least with Fatah/P.A., there are elements who seem more reasonable, but that doesn't appear to be the case with Hamas.
 
2012-11-16 10:08:22 PM  
Why do you think Israel (and Egypt) set up the current blockade after Hamas took power in Gaza? Hint: Hamas said it would not stand by previous agreements.
 
2012-11-16 10:13:09 PM  
Fark seems to have eaten an addendum post I just made while in mobile view. Let's try this again:

Why do you think Israe (and Egypt) blockaded Gaza after Hamas took power?

Hamas refused to agree to honor prior agreements. A real partner for peace there.
 
2012-11-16 10:14:50 PM  
Oh, never mind, I was just not used to the pagination and didn't see that it was pushed to the next page. Duh.
 
2012-11-17 12:16:28 AM  
Isildur
How do I know? How about taking them at their own words to never renounce fighting Israel while it exists at any form within the former British mandate of Palestine?

They say they want war = They can be taken at their word
They say they want peace = They are liars
Does that about sum it up?

Right, because the investment you describe is likely to happen while there's "initial violence" going on?

People naturally rebuild and get on with their lives in absence of external pressures. The only question is if they're going to be allowed to do so.

Look, extremist g