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2012-11-14 03:31:38 PM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6U2ZQ0EhN4&feature=relmfu 

The strike is on You Tube
IDF Pinpoint Strike on Ahmed Jabari, Head of Hamas Military Wing
 
2012-11-14 03:32:52 PM  

stewmadness: Good for them. F Hamas. What has Israel ever done wrong? If it wasn't for being constantly threatened with genocide the world would be a better place. That and if Muslims went to Mars.


I was nodding until I read the last line. Hamas is pretty terrible but I'm not going to link the Palestinian citizens caught in the crossfire as a guilt by association.
 
2012-11-14 03:33:00 PM  
Ponies would solve the problems in the Middle East. 

www.republibot.com
 
2012-11-14 03:33:10 PM  
I'm impressed Israel can maintain living standards while defending so many terrorist and rocket attacks constantly. I picture Israel as a mom holding a kid while cooking dinner and spanking another kid while answering the door and mowing the yard, all at the same time. Good job Israel.
 
2012-11-14 03:34:02 PM  

Blue_Blazer: mark12A:



How about this for a Final Solution: Israelis stop attacking Palestinians every farking chance they get. Maybe stop acting like non-story irrational mad dogs and try to work out a deal. Stop teaching their children non-stop to hate Palestinians.

If the Israelis HAD ANY BRAINS AT ALL, they would gain the favor of the world, and Palestine, by responsibly running the Gaza Strip as a democratic, fair and just society, instead of just another ghetto..

FTFY.


Cant tell if you are a troll or just a retard.
 
2012-11-14 03:35:18 PM  

Joe Blowme: Blue_Blazer: mark12A:



How about this for a Final Solution: Israelis stop attacking Palestinians every farking chance they get. Maybe stop acting like non-story irrational mad dogs and try to work out a deal. Stop teaching their children non-stop to hate Palestinians.

If the Israelis HAD ANY BRAINS AT ALL, they would gain the favor of the world, and Palestine, by responsibly running the Gaza Strip as a democratic, fair and just society, instead of just another ghetto..

FTFY.

Cant tell if you are a troll or just a retard.


Neither. Please point out what I said that was false.
 
2012-11-14 03:35:32 PM  
the rogue state of israel is a murderer of children.

and no sugar coating can erase this fact.
 
2012-11-14 03:36:01 PM  

ringersol: bostonguy: "Answer that, and you'll get a Nobel Prize."

The problem is that you can't have a country asserting a simultaneous claim to the *right* to a chunk of land but no *responsibilities* to the people who do and have inhabited it for generations. Thus the answers are simple and have long since been hit upon: either A.) relinquish the claim of rights and recognize a sovereign Palestinian State or B.) accept the responsibility and integrate the Palestinians into Israel as full and equal citizens. Short of that, you've just got Apartheid with religious garnish.

The challenge, is in getting two ruling classes to actually implement and stick to these well-understood solutions, due the personal loss of status and power that they would suffer.


There is a third way (which will never happen): Move all the "Palestinians" to Jordan, which would essentially become the Arab half of the British Mandate as had been proposed decades earlier.

Israel could give them money, grants, and everything to leave. Hell, I'd probably vote for a party here in Israel that advocated that. Sure, Israel would get criticized severely for years, but it would result in peace in decades. In fact, it might be the only way to have peace. But Jordan's king does not want to be overthrown.
 
2012-11-14 03:38:12 PM  

ciberido: 1) Judaism and Islam are both Abrahamic religions (as is Christianity). There is such a thing as a "Semitic religion" but it doesn't mean what you think it means.


It's interesting that in your reference to Wikipedia, you missed this:

"Religion

In a religious context, the term 'Semitic' can refer to the religions associated with the speakers of these languages: thus Judaism, Christianity and Islam are often described as "Semitic religions" (irrespective of language family spoken by their adherents). Manicheanism and the Mandaean religion also fall within this category."

It goes on to point out (and I agree) that Abrahamic Religion is more commonly used. However, there's nothing inherently wrong with describing Judaism and Islam as "Semitic" religions. It's the way my history professors referred to them, so I feel quite comfortable continuing to do so myself.

Further, here is a University of Washington (not my alma mater, but easily found for quick linky) International Studies Comparative Religion class schedule:

RELIG 201 Introduction to World Religions: Western Traditions (5) I&S Wellman
History of religions, concentrating on religious traditions that have developed west of the Indus. Primary attention to the Semitic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) and to their ancient world background with emphasis on basic conceptual and symbolic structures.
 
2012-11-14 03:39:44 PM  

bostonguy: Blue_Blazer: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.

False equivalency. Israel did not "take their land."

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, gave up th ...


Turn both the West Bank and Gaza into Palestine. If Jordan and Egypt don't want them back and it's a thorn in Israel's side.

Hamas can then figure out how to put in plumbing instead of bombs. Israel then looks generous for giving land back. Win-Win.

Do those strips of land have ANYTHING valuable on them?
 
2012-11-14 03:40:58 PM  
I don't care what Israel does. They shouldn't ne doing it on the US's dime.
 
2012-11-14 03:41:45 PM  
You know who we should go too for thoughtful analysis on the situation, Republicans.

When have they been wrong about anything?
 
2012-11-14 03:43:06 PM  
I hope one of isreal's nukes accidentally explodes it its silo...

www.fbastard.com
 
2012-11-14 03:43:23 PM  

shortymac: Do those strips of land have ANYTHING valuable on them?


One desert clan thinks the sand is their holy sand, and another desert clan think the sand is THEIR holy sand.

The Marvel comic Rising Stars had an interesting little endgame for the middle-east.
 
2012-11-14 03:45:23 PM  
"Sky wizard/fairy"

Is it possible for you guys to have any shred of originality?
 
2012-11-14 03:45:28 PM  
the zionists shouldn't be there in the first place.

it's not their land.
 
2012-11-14 03:49:01 PM  

Bauer: the zionists shouldn't be there in the first place.

it's not their land.


It was back in the 11th century BC
Archaeology how does it work?
 
2012-11-14 03:49:31 PM  

Bauer: the rogue state of israel is a murderer of children.

and no sugar coating can erase this fact.


I'm going to tell you the difference between Iran and Israel:

One is a nation that is becoming more and more ultra-nationalist in its treatment of foreigners and its people when they are out of line and dreams of wiping out their enemies in a nuclear fire in the name of their God.

The other is a nation that is becoming more and more ultra-nationalist in its treatment of foreigners, its people when they are out of line and dreams of wiping their enemies in a nuclear fire in the name of their God...and gets backed up by almost all of the Western nations.
 
2012-11-14 03:49:38 PM  

Mazzic518: I hope one of isreal's nukes accidentally explodes it its silo...

[www.fbastard.com image 680x450]


that would be so sweet.

-how is it even remotely fair to the region that israel has nuclear weapons...and gets away with murder?

they did not "invent" them...so they have no moral compass against using them.

they will...if they feel they can do it...and get away with it.

that will be their great undoing.

"do as i say...not as i do"
 
2012-11-14 03:50:06 PM  
And I was complaining there was nothing good to watch on TV...

/Problem solved
 
2012-11-14 03:50:32 PM  

shortymac: bostonguy: Blue_Blazer: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.

False equivalency. Israel did not "take their land."

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, ...


Well, just like every proposed solution, there's a bad side. Aside from the benefits you mention, this is what Israelis worry about:

Say Hamas or other extremists take over the West Bank (whether through elections or their ongoing civil war with Fatah) at some point. Then you'd have Tel Aviv, the airport, and all major population centers in easy rocket range. That's the objective concern. Hence my idea above about making Jordan the "Palestinian state."
 
2012-11-14 03:51:52 PM  

Joe Blowme: Bauer: the zionists shouldn't be there in the first place.

it's not their land.

It was back in the 11th century BC
Archaeology how does it work?


tell that to all of the murdered native americans.

your soul?

-you have none.

how does that work?
 
2012-11-14 03:52:18 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood: Go Fast Turn Left: I clearly have to do everything around here.
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Meh,

Muslim women are hotter

/I think it's the hijab


Hijabs can be very sexy (and very NSFW)
 
2012-11-14 03:53:13 PM  
static.igossip.com

Ham-ass?
 
2012-11-14 03:53:38 PM  

shortymac: bostonguy: Blue_Blazer: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.

False equivalency. Israel did not "take their land."

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, ...


Israeli seem to think so, they are continually snatching it away for settlements because Jews want cheap land.
 
2012-11-14 03:54:10 PM  

Bauer: the zionists shouldn't be there in the first place.

it's not their land.


See the history above here:

http://www.fark.com/comments/7434006/80693194#c80693194
 
2012-11-14 03:54:56 PM  
every day...israel fulfills it's destiny as the nation that destroyed itself.

the very definition of darwinism.

they are their own worst enemy.
 
2012-11-14 03:56:25 PM  

Coelacanth: I wish to God that the Middle East would sink into the sea so the rest of us could live our lives in peace!


Sink enough so all the oil is in international water then just send in BP lol
 
2012-11-14 03:56:51 PM  
Control + F ..typey typey "Tasuma" = Phrase not found.
 
2012-11-14 03:57:16 PM  

Fear the Clam: [static.igossip.com image 401x271]

Ham-ass?


lol
 
2012-11-14 03:59:20 PM  

Bauer: Joe Blowme: Bauer: the zionists shouldn't be there in the first place.

it's not their land.

It was back in the 11th century BC
Archaeology how does it work?

tell that to all of the murdered native americans.

your soul?

-you have none.

how does that work?


Bering Land Bridge, how did it work?
History is your friend

/
 
2012-11-14 04:02:17 PM  

Frank N Stein: "Sky wizard/fairy"

Is it possible for you guys to have any shred of originality?


Are you farking shiatting me?!
 
2012-11-14 04:02:20 PM  

nmemkha: shortymac: bostonguy: Blue_Blazer: marsgwar: nmemkha: So we agree, they have a right to be upset. Given Israel's decades long brutal occupation, violence is expected and arguably justified.

So is the retaliation by Israel. It's called a war. If Native American tribes started shooting rockets at US tragets to get back land, we would retaliate accordingly and wouldn't be wrong for doing so.

Maybe, but there would still be plenty of us saying "well taking their land was pretty dickieh, and so was the forced resettlement, maybe we should give them some land."

And instead of a reasonable argument, I would be called Anti-American.

False equivalency. Israel did not "take their land."

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the ...

Israeli seem to think so, they are continually snatching it away for settlements because Jews want cheap land.


Why am I dignifying that with a response. Oh, well.

Look, life in Israel is hard even without the Conflict. Compared to the US, salaries are generally half as much and everything costs twice a much. (It goes into economics, geography, and monopolies here.) Israel has a very high gap between the rich and poor.

Half of the people in the "settlements" are religious Zionists and settle out of devotion. The other half are people just trying to get by and don't want to spend most of their income on rent or a mortgage.

/objectively speaking
 
2012-11-14 04:02:47 PM  

This text is now purple: Amusement: The best and only way to beat Israel is not to find toe to toe. Israel will always win in a violent struggle. Economics is the only way to win.

They're going to defeat Israel by out-trading a country full of Jews?


Good point. They're going to need more Chinese.
 
2012-11-14 04:02:50 PM  
"stop hitting yourself!!"

"stop hitting yourself!!"

"stop hitting yourself!!"
 
2012-11-14 04:03:25 PM  
Crickets Chirping in the White House today. I thought Obama was a foreign policy expert.
He must be out on the golf course.
 
2012-11-14 04:03:33 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: Translation: "Their continual rocket fire into Israel makes it easier to target the source. Gotcha suckers"


FTFY
 
2012-11-14 04:04:11 PM  

ChipNASA: Control + F ..typey typey "Tasuma" = Phrase not found.


Yeah, what the hell happened to ol' turbo jew.
 
2012-11-14 04:04:15 PM  

Bauer: every day...israel fulfills it's destiny as the nation that destroyed itself.

the very definition of darwinism.

they are their own worst enemy.


You been living under a rock or something? Islam is their worst enemy, and humanities as well.
 
2012-11-14 04:06:33 PM  
Good.

The Palis are the brwon trash of the Middle East; the think they can attack at will and not be retaliated against.
 
2012-11-14 04:07:12 PM  

mayIFark: So, how many 5 years old terrorist have they gotten so far?

Get your checkbook ready US citizens. White phosphorous ain't cheap.


But it is effective, were do i donate?
 
2012-11-14 04:07:27 PM  

thisisarepeat: Yeah, what the hell happened to ol' turbo jew.


O'l Turbo Jew??

Ow


I think vacation.
 
2012-11-14 04:07:29 PM  

SkunkWerks: willfullyobscure: RELIGION OF PEACE

Funny enough from the standpoint of the history of human society, the point at which religion goes from worshiping feminine nature-based figures to revering male deities is typically shortly after you've seen the move from roaming, hunting and gathering societies that depend a lot on luck to survive (finding food, no ill turns in the weather which push herds away from their typical gathering places, and s on) to agrarian societies that don't move around much and whose survival depends largely on having big stockpiles of stuff.

Stuff you can take by force.

Then it's handy to make God a man 'cause, yanno, war's a man's game and all. All the Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity, Islam, and yes, Judaism)share more or less the same male deity, soooo.... you get this.


Very interesting point, thank you.

I'm not religious myself but find religions fascinating, especially as they relate to the history of mankind. I don't suppose you know of a book or website that goes into further depth about what you said? I'm always looking for new reading material :-)
 
2012-11-14 04:08:58 PM  
to everyone saying it's about sky fairies, Both Zionism and Palestinian nationalism started as parts of secular movements, Zionism was a response to 1800s European ethno-nationalism and Palestinian nationalism as part of the more broad early 1900s Pan-Arabism. The most religious Jews actually oppose the creation of Israel on religious grounds and Pan-Islamism didn't come about till the late 1970s with Hamas being an off shoot of it. The PLO was a secular organization at it's founding
 
2012-11-14 04:09:32 PM  

Shan: Masquerader317: ciberido: Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?

globalwarmingpraiser: Are you an AP stringer for Reuters?

He's She's probably a Marine stay at home mom of four.

FTFY. 0_o

Old Fark meme. Someone claimed they were a Marine and served in the "core" instead of the corps. It deteriorated from there. Surprised to see it referenced really.


He was the best damned Soldier the Core has ever seen!
 
2012-11-14 04:12:35 PM  

mayIFark: NumberFiveIsAlive: I wonder how many people in here will see that the most recent round of violence started with Hamas attacked the IDF. IDF shoots back, Hamas shoots rockets indescriminately.

Israel does their share of stupid shiat, but Hamas ain't the cherub faced baby in this one.

Oh yeah? As President Clinton Famously said, "Arithmetic".

How many Israelis were killed by Hamas rocket, and how many Palestinians killed by IDF?

Something like 0/500?


So, should Israel carefully aim their retaliation so that they just barely miss killing anyone?
 
2012-11-14 04:12:48 PM  

thisisarepeat: Frank N Stein: "Sky wizard/fairy"

Is it possible for you guys to have any shred of originality?

Are you farking shiatting me?!


No I'm not. It's a cliche and false portayal of abrahamic religious concept of God.
 
2012-11-14 04:12:56 PM  

topcon: I'm just telling you what I see here on a regular basis, in a nutshell:

American Christians = bad, need to be destroyed.

Foreign Muslims = good, must be preserved.

That's a simplification, but it's true. All this despite the religion of Islam being incompatible with freedoms humanity deserves that the left espouses, that everyone should ideally believe in. And I realize that many of these beliefs are shared with Christianity...but not many Christian-majority nations beat, imprison, and behead women who try to drive, get an education, or wear pants, or murder people who might even be SUSPECTED of being homosexual.

The difference between this majority "self identified" Christian nation of America is, even gay dudes can go out in public holding hands, or even kissing in public. How many majority-Muslim countries can they do that in? Parts of Turkey, maybe?



And I will agree that there is a DEGREE of truth to this, yes. But I cannot help but think some people on Fark greatly exaggerate this tendency, partly because of the whole "nuance" thing and partly because so many Americans and so many Farkers seeing politics as a battle between two teams.

Maybe the world is divided up in some meaningful sense into teams, but if so, there are more than two.

Speaking of dichotomies, the one I most dislike is

Conservative = Christian
Liberal = Atheist
 
2012-11-14 04:13:23 PM  

douchebag/hater: Good.

The Palis are the brwon trash of the Middle East; the think they can attack at will and not be retaliated against.


Seriously. When will the stop oppressing the Israelis and let them live free?!??!?

At least your name is accurate, because your argument is garbage.
 
2012-11-14 04:14:06 PM  

Mazzic518: Shan: Masquerader317: ciberido: Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?

globalwarmingpraiser: Are you an AP stringer for Reuters?

He's She's probably a Marine stay at home mom of four.

FTFY. 0_o

Old Fark meme. Someone claimed they were a Marine and served in the "core" instead of the corps. It deteriorated from there. Surprised to see it referenced really.

He was the best damned Soldier the Core has ever seen!



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