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2012-11-14 11:32:32 PM  

Stratohead: They are plot holes...holes in the plot. While some things can be implied, most can not for this film. Without a supporting story structure in place, we are left with a rough draft of a story, where we ended up with a bunch of plot elements that only exist to justify dangling some actor off a precarious perch, or to clumsily move to the next locale change...

Fir instance... Bad guy has allready shot Bond with...groan...a"depleted uranium " auto pistol round, that somehow didn't just cut through him like butter...MP told by M to " take the damn shot"...which he misses...or somehow hits the existent bullet wound? Cuz everyone guilts The shiat out of MP for shooting and missing.

Anyways...Bond has dp shrapnel in his chest...for over a year, before going " say, I've been keeping these safe inside my body...and only now cut them out AFTER all that strenuous excercise montage to confidently move the scene to China."

It's just bad writing.


It's a Bond movie, I know...but I'll bite.

First off, if you pay attention, there's evidence of a second bullet wound on Bond's abdomen as he's floating down the river, just before he falls down the waterfall. It's real blink-and-you-miss-it stuff, but it's there.

Second, Bond himself even mentions to Eve that her shot injured a couple of ribs and "a few of the less vital organs."

Third, depleted uranium or no, that was still a 9mm bullet, because the gun Patrice used was a Glock 18. Never mind that the bullet that struck Bond had to punch through either glass or metal before actually reaching him. And of course, if I really wanted to get nitpicky, I'd start asking whether said round was a FMJ or a hollowpoint, because that in of itself can play a role in penetration and what kind of damage it could have done to him. Depleted uranium's nasty stuff, sure, but that alone's not going to "cut someone in half". That has more to do with the size and speed of the bullet itself. If anything, a 9mm depleted uranium bullet might actually travel SLOWER than a normal 9mm round.
 
2012-11-14 11:39:51 PM  

epyonyx: For everyone complaining about plot holes, it's a movie. Suspension of disbelief is required unless watching a documentary. It's also a Bond flick. That should clue you in much like when you see an ad for a Jason Statham film.


And yet Casino Royale didn't have these problems, which is why it was better.

But please, continue to tell me how when comparing 23 films in a franchise it isn't germaine to discuss every nuance of a film to bring forth a hierarchy of quality.
 
2012-11-14 11:41:23 PM  

Clutch2013: Stratohead: They are plot holes...holes in the plot. While some things can be implied, most can not for this film. Without a supporting story structure in place, we are left with a rough draft of a story, where we ended up with a bunch of plot elements that only exist to justify dangling some actor off a precarious perch, or to clumsily move to the next locale change...

Fir instance... Bad guy has allready shot Bond with...groan...a"depleted uranium " auto pistol round, that somehow didn't just cut through him like butter...MP told by M to " take the damn shot"...which he misses...or somehow hits the existent bullet wound? Cuz everyone guilts The shiat out of MP for shooting and missing.

Anyways...Bond has dp shrapnel in his chest...for over a year, before going " say, I've been keeping these safe inside my body...and only now cut them out AFTER all that strenuous excercise montage to confidently move the scene to China."

It's just bad writing.

It's a Bond movie, I know...but I'll bite.

First off, if you pay attention, there's evidence of a second bullet wound on Bond's abdomen as he's floating down the river, just before he falls down the waterfall. It's real blink-and-you-miss-it stuff, but it's there.

Second, Bond himself even mentions to Eve that her shot injured a couple of ribs and "a few of the less vital organs."

Third, depleted uranium or no, that was still a 9mm bullet, because the gun Patrice used was a Glock 18. Never mind that the bullet that struck Bond had to punch through either glass or metal before actually reaching him. And of course, if I really wanted to get nitpicky, I'd start asking whether said round was a FMJ or a hollowpoint, because that in of itself can play a role in penetration and what kind of damage it could have done to him. Depleted uranium's nasty stuff, sure, but that alone's not going to "cut someone in half". That has more to do with the size and speed of the bullet itself. If anything, a 9mm depleted uranium bull ...


Plus, I distinctly remember that they made a point of mentioning that he got hit by shrapnel only, not a direct hit by the bullet.
 
2012-11-15 12:07:41 AM  
The plot reminded me of The Dark Knight, with Silva's overly intricate plans when a simple bomb would have been sufficient. That said, it was a good movie.
 
2012-11-15 12:19:17 AM  
But only because it's a good movie
 
2012-11-15 01:12:33 AM  
Saw it this evening.

Pros:
Characters, dialogue, acting, villain, callbacks, visuals (especially Shanghai).

Cons:
Story was so-so as a whole, though I did enjoy the origins of Bond and Silva.

All in all, it was a nice change of pace from "guy wants world domination" or "guy wants a lot of money". Silva and his antics made for great fun, and Bond's "resurrection" over the course of the film is great, as is his interaction with everyone. I also loved Naomi Harris and Judi Dench.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:39 AM  

Lunchlady: ...If this is a reboot and Craig's movies are the new timeline, why the hell does he have that DB5 with all the Goldfinger goodies?...


It's fan service. It's not supposed to be tied in with anything else.
 
2012-11-15 01:23:43 AM  
It was different but I liked it.

As for "plot holes", I'm not sure some of you know what that means. It doesn't mean any area where you find the story could be better, it means huge gaping unintended "wait how the hell did that happen?" moments. Complete breaks of logic or massive unexplained advances in the story.

*SPOILERS*
*SPOILERS*
*SPOILERS*

The only bits I groaned a bit to myself over was some of the "hacking" stuff and the depleted uranium pistol ammo. And neither of those were too bad.

Depleted uranium is typically used for maximum penetration in cases of armor or if your target is behind one or more objects of impact for the projectile. It's very very dense meaning it can punch through to your desired target.

If it was DU it wouldn't have fractured like a jacketed round does, which is what those slivers looked like that Bond was pulling from his shoulder. If Bond pulled anything out it should have been a hunk of metal... this is ignoring that since he wasn't wearing armor a DU round would have punched clean through him.

The Aston bit and the last introduction of the movie seemed a bit too convenient and intentional. But on top of just making a new bond movie they wanted to set up a new cast theme for the next ones AND have a couple of 50th anniversary hat tips in the movie.

I also feel like some of the parts of the story were rushed. Both the entire thing in Taiwan or wherever they were and the time on the abandoned island, these locations seemed rushed. As soon as we find out why we are there we are on to the next stop.

Overall, good flick. Very cool that they went with a disgruntled ex-employee revenge thing instead of a "HUGE MEGAPLOT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD WITH SCIENCE!"
 
2012-11-15 03:13:23 AM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: I've never been a big fan of TRWL. I know that's blasphemy to many Bond fans but you'll get over it. Also, full disclosure--I have never seen OHMSS. Watching it right now on BBCAmerica and am underwhelmed, but I'm DVRing it and will give it another chance in the near future.

Fair enough on both counts.

OHMSS gets better with rewatchings.

I didn't like it so much the first time around, but it really grew on me.

Who knows?


I've had sort of the opposite reaction: the first few times I saw it it was 'meh' (in my youth my favorite Bond film
was THUNDERBALL, and its still up there in my personal top 5), but the more I see it the more I cringe at Lazenby's
uneven performance. At times he's as flippant and jokey as the worst of Roger Moore, at others he manages to
pull off the 'world weary spy taking a chance on love' bit excellently. If he'd been a better actor it would have been
a far better film.
 
2012-11-15 04:10:31 AM  
SPOILER ALERT

OK, I saw this weeks ago and something has been bugging me since - its been out long enough now so here goes. The baddie wins! His whole plan was to kill M and she dies?!?!? He even shows that he is willing to die himself to make it happen so the fact that he does die too doesn't really matter. In short, Bond loses and baddie wins.
 
2012-11-15 06:52:26 AM  
I saw this on Monday...

First Bond film i've ever wanted to stand up and applaud as the end credits rolled. Absolutely epic film.

Brigandaca, does that really matter? Does Bond have to win every mission? Bardem's villain is Bonds equal, the only difference is that Bond survived, because Bond is better than him....

Sam Mendes has done a job second only to that of Martin Campbell in creating a more intense Bond, The cinematography was amazing, the hat tips made me smile..and we are set back in the proper world of Flemings Bond, with M, the leather doored office, Moneypenny

Ralph Feinnes is M!!! How can that not be the most awesome thing to happen ever? All of you muppets who are saying 'it was crap, it had plot holes', it's BOND. Sit down, shut up and strap yourself in. This is in my top 3.

1.Tommorrow never dies
2. Casino Royale
3. Skyfall.
 
2012-11-15 08:10:33 AM  

moel: This is in my top 3.

1.Tommorrow never dies

From Russia With Love
2. Casino Royale
3. Skyfall.


FTFY... ;-)
 
2012-11-15 08:29:17 AM  

Mega Steve: Skyfall has become the #2 film of all time in the UK, and is poised to become #1 in short order

Who is number 1?
[www.wired.com image 660x429]


You are, Number Two.

- or -

You are Number Two.

/my favorite series of all time
 
2012-11-15 08:46:38 AM  
Saw it last night. I think it runs neck and neck with Royale. Wish they had developed Bardem's character a bit more, done some flash backs or something instead of just him telling us what his beef was. Thought Q was good. Fight scenes in Shanghai were great. Glad they're brining in Fiennes...love him in just about everything.
 
2012-11-15 08:57:31 AM  
I really liked the nod to Bond's parent's tombstone. Bardem looking at it mildly surprised. Was that because Bond's mother was French?
 
2012-11-15 09:23:03 AM  
As an aside, can someone tell me what the actual point was of the guy having the casino chip in his assassination kit? I mean obviously it's how he collects his money once the assassination is done, but is there any purpose to it besides collateral?
 
2012-11-15 10:20:16 AM  

KeelingLovesCornholes: Saw it last night. I think it runs neck and neck with Royale. Wish they had developed Bardem's character a bit more, done some flash backs or something instead of just him telling us what his beef was. Thought Q was good. Fight scenes in Shanghai were great. Glad they're brining in Fiennes...love him in just about everything.


See I thought the "he just tells it" really works there. It's distant past, it really doesn't matter to Bond, it matters very little to M. He's the only one it is driving, and by having it just be a tale he relates the film makes it seem that much more isolated, empty, and personal.
 
2012-11-15 10:54:02 AM  

Stratohead: t"...which he misses...or somehow hits the existent bullet wound? Cuz everyone guilts The shiat out of MP for shooting and missing.


Yeah,

fatalvenom: red5ish: Greatest toy car I ever owned.
[imageshack.us image 500x341]
The James Bond franchise is a part of my childhood. One of the good parts.


That's so awesome.... I have the same Corgi car myself.

Anyone who keeps up this charade that QoS was the biggest duck-turd to be laid-upon the franchise has obviously never seen the last two Bronson movies. Or the last Dalton one. Or pretty much every-single one that Moore starred in past TSHLM.


This scene wasn't the best part of QoS, but it was probably the most awesome part


I for one really enjoy QoS. And you're right, that scene is awesome. I love how much you can tell that Bond wants to kill Vesper's boyfriend, and that it takes everything in him not to.
 
2012-11-15 10:57:33 AM  
Two things: Where does Eve hit Bond when she shoots him? And how the fark did Silva know Bond would be chasing him down that tunnel so as to set up a bomb to divert a train on top of him?
 
2012-11-15 11:00:29 AM  

Falco09: Two things: Where does Eve hit Bond when she shoots him? And how the fark did Silva know Bond would be chasing him down that tunnel so as to set up a bomb to divert a train on top of him?


Lower abdomen and I thought the explosion was there to cover his tracks no matter what or just in case he was pursued by anyone from MI6. It also creates a distraction and panic that allows him to covertly approach the hearing.
 
2012-11-15 12:01:20 PM  
 
2012-11-15 12:28:54 PM  

Sybarite: Aaand now I'm in the Skyfall tropes page.


Doesn't take much to be considered a trope, does it? I imagine you could come up with a list like that for every movie.
 
2012-11-15 03:27:01 PM  
I liked the "A-Team" scene of everyone preparing traps for the upcoming foes.

Why they didn't just escape into the tunnel at the beginning, I don't know.
 
2012-11-15 03:43:01 PM  

Hoboclown: Sybarite: Aaand now I'm in the Skyfall tropes page.

Doesn't take much to be considered a trope, does it? I imagine you could come up with a list like that for every movie.



TV Tropes does have a page for every movie. Okay maybe not *every* movie, but you'd have to go damned obscure to find one that doesn't exist yet.
 
2012-11-16 02:31:21 PM  

coeyagi: TDBoedy: does it really matter how he escaped? I mean that sort of plot element is easily hand waved. There is no need to have MORE exposition on that. Hell that would be an entire other movie tbh.

But the whole premise, to be captured, so he could escape in some elaborate plot and then go through the tube tunnels just so he could get to the hearing that also had M there by chance, in part because of his actions, in order to kill her.... c'mon.

I liked the rest of the movie, didn't think it was as good as Casino Royale, but the end of Act II kinda ruined it for me from being up there with Casino.


it didn't happen over night. He escaped years ago...He was captured back in the 1990's. And ever since he's been rogue.
 
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