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(Deadline)   Skyfall has become the #2 film of all time in the UK, and is poised to become #1 in short order   (deadline.com) divider line 125
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2012-11-14 02:23:04 PM  
As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.
 
2012-11-14 02:35:40 PM  
so want to see this!
 
2012-11-14 02:43:31 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.


This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.
 
2012-11-14 02:58:19 PM  
This one is different than many/most of the other Bond films. It has everything you want - chases, explosions, gun fights, gadgets, etc. But it's got this weird introspection thing going that I'm not used to in my Bond movies. It gave it an extra je ne sais quoi that made it fairly spectacular.

Short version: They tried something new and daring, and they made it work. It was cool.
 
2012-11-14 03:17:01 PM  
Been a fan of Craig since Sword of Honour. (I try to ignore that idiotic Tomb Raider movie) Want to see this real bad.
 
2012-11-14 03:31:31 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.


It really is. Avoid Quantum of Solace at all costs.
 
2012-11-14 03:50:43 PM  
saw it, loved it, nuff said
 
2012-11-14 04:01:57 PM  
"Well, I guess that is completely inconspicuous."

Few can deliver a line like Dame Judy.
 
2012-11-14 05:16:39 PM  
Excellent-and unsurprising-news. May the climb continue.
 
2012-11-14 05:17:55 PM  
What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.
 
2012-11-14 05:19:49 PM  

The English Major: DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.

It really is. Avoid Quantum of Solace at all costs.


And here I am trying to figure out the source of the mass delusion making people think this way. Seriously...the plot was meandering, the characters underdeveloped, the deus ex machina of minions and military hardware implausible, the lack of gadgets notable and the ultimate failure of the mission glaring. It wasn't a terrible movie per se...but I really don't see the ecstatic appeal that some are showing.
 
2012-11-14 05:20:15 PM  
Stop liking things that I don't like.

/Boring set pieces
//Lame locales
///To low-tech
 
2012-11-14 05:22:36 PM  

ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.


This is also true
 
2012-11-14 05:27:42 PM  

The English Major: DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.

It really is. Avoid Quantum of Solace at all costs.


That's been my impression, and I have successfully done so (the only Bond movie I've never seen, actually).
 
2012-11-14 05:30:36 PM  
It was solid, but I have to say I was expecting a bit better.
 
2012-11-14 05:31:38 PM  

The English Major: DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.

It really is. Avoid Quantum of Solace at all costs.


You're both wrong. It's as good as Casino Royale, but not better. It's a toss up really. And Quantum of Solace isn't as bad as some believe. Take out the parachute sequence as filmed and it's still better than most other Bond movies.
 
2012-11-14 05:33:54 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.


if you felt "meh" about Casino Royale....skip Skyfall and wait for DVD or cable.

Unless you have a preference for massive plotholes, lack luster action (the most exciting bits dominate the trailers, and thats about it...frankly the Heinken commercial is more interesting than most of the "action" since the film shoots its wad in the opening chase).
*SPOLIERS*
They spend a lot of time perpetuating this Independence Day level understanding of how computers work, and then have the balls to tell you "we won't be having any cool Bond gadgets cuz that would be unrealistic and silly).... Javier Bardeem can't pick an accent or a mannerism and stick with it, so his character is just all over the map... there is a whole setup about some strange overly complicated assassination in Shanghai that Bond not only fails to prevent when he could easily have done so...it just happens, and then the film moves with zero explanation or even mild curiosity over what the fark THAT just was.
Frankly...its not the worst Bond film... but its not a very good Bond film. Its like it was tailor made for a George Lazenby comeback.
 
2012-11-14 05:35:55 PM  

ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.


The plot was fine. Some people just can't suspend their disbelief and love to nitpick.
 
2012-11-14 05:37:10 PM  

Hoboclown: ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.

The plot was fine. Some people just can't suspend their disbelief and love to nitpick.


Its not "nitpicking" when you can drive a Peterbuilt through the holes
 
2012-11-14 05:38:00 PM  
Javier was a pretty damn good villain, he's got sinister down. Spoilers* Even when he kinda got gay with Bond. It might be that when ever I see him I only think about No Country for Old Men and how ruthless he was in that.
 
2012-11-14 05:38:00 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.


Word to that.

Keep in mind, I really dug Casino Royale.

My issues with Quantum of Solace - of which there are many - have nothing to do with Craig.

Skyfall delivers the goods, and THEN some.
 
2012-11-14 05:38:36 PM  

LeroyBourne: Javier was a pretty damn good villain, he's got sinister down.


The dude can talk about COCONUTS and be sinister as hell.
 
2012-11-14 05:39:39 PM  

ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.


Name a Bond movie that didn't have an absolutely terrible plot.

There are a few ridiculous plot devices, but that's the standard MO for a Bond movie. I thought that it retained the spirit of Bond quite well, while still attempting to innovate. My biggest problem with the movie was that I hated Bardem's character. His character was little more than a used-up stock villain from the 80s. However, Bardem played him very well, and it was enough to make me look past the banality of the character and focus on everything that was good, which was a lot.
 
2012-11-14 05:39:50 PM  

Stratohead: Hoboclown: ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.

The plot was fine. Some people just can't suspend their disbelief and love to nitpick.

Its not "nitpicking" when you can drive a Peterbuilt through the holes


Out of curiosity, what plot holes are you referring to?
 
2012-11-14 05:40:38 PM  
I preferred Mads Mikkelsen to Javier Bardem, but Skyfall is a better movie than CR, I think.
 
2012-11-14 05:42:43 PM  

Hoboclown: Out of curiosity, what plot holes are you referring to?


I wouldn't call them holes, but there are some heinous Macguffins in that movie, chief among them being Q and the laptop.
 
2012-11-14 05:43:42 PM  

ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.


James Bond movies don't have plots. They have a series of dialogs and events that hold the action sequences together, if that's what you mean.
 
2012-11-14 05:49:18 PM  
Greatest toy car I ever owned.
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The James Bond franchise is a part of my childhood. One of the good parts.
 
2012-11-14 05:49:31 PM  

Stratohead: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

if you felt "meh" about Casino Royale....skip Skyfall and wait for DVD or cable.

Unless you have a preference for massive plotholes, lack luster action (the most exciting bits dominate the trailers, and thats about it...frankly the Heinken commercial is more interesting than most of the "action" since the film shoots its wad in the opening chase).
*SPOLIERS*
They spend a lot of time perpetuating this Independence Day level understanding of how computers work, and then have the balls to tell you "we won't be having any cool Bond gadgets cuz that would be unrealistic and silly).... Javier Bardeem can't pick an accent or a mannerism and stick with it, so his character is just all over the map... there is a whole setup about some strange overly complicated assassination in Shanghai that Bond not only fails to prevent when he could easily have done so...it just happens, and then the film moves with zero explanation or even mild curiosity over what the fark THAT just was.
Frankly...its not the worst Bond film... but its not a very good Bond film. Its like it was tailor made for a George Lazenby comeback.


The wife and I were talking about that. There was no explanation...none. The only semi-relevant plot point it made was his difficulty with holding on to the elevator, but even that was never made any more a deal of than "here is Bond having a hard time because he's in a rut and out of shape. And now on to this next scene where we will forget about all of that and show him taking out three armed guards just because..." The movie was just so disjointed, it felt like a bunch of randomly patched together scenes that just happen to involve some of the same characters.
 
2012-11-14 05:50:01 PM  

Hoboclown: Stratohead: Hoboclown: ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.

The plot was fine. Some people just can't suspend their disbelief and love to nitpick.

Its not "nitpicking" when you can drive a Peterbuilt through the holes

Out of curiosity, what plot holes are you referring to?


See Bardeems entire character. His entire character is a massive plot hole

*spoilers*

he worked for M in Hong Kong...went rouge , got caught (by whom? The Chinese? we are never told)
he is tortured "for weeks" prior to FINALLY deciding hey...Poison Tooth...he attempts to use it, it doesn't work... so he ends up disfigured in a way that is very conveniently easy to disguise...why? that entire thing was just kind of thrown on there to what end? It's hardly thought out... then no explanation and more than 10 years later he comes back for revenge against M?
If he was captured and being tortured for weeks, THEN attempts a failed suicide that removed bone from his skull... then what happened? how did he escape? Did his captors help him with the Hydrogen Cyanide damage or what? Makes no damn sense.
Theres the entire plot hinging around "hacking" bullshiat... and of course all that unexplained horses shiat in Shanghai... fly someone in...kill a guard...leave the body where its easily found, use a super expensive specialized machine to cut a hole in glass...use a custom made weapon to shoot a guy looking at a painting... as opposed to just stabbing him with an ice pick, or choking the farker out...no...lets spend tens of thousands of dollars to make the crime THAT much easier to detect and trace... stupid and pointless.
 
2012-11-14 05:50:55 PM  
saw it last night. best bond yet.

I normally hate cybercrime movies, like Die hard 23 or whatever it was, but this one was actually good and geeky about it.
 
2012-11-14 05:51:21 PM  

gopher321: Been a fan of Craig since Sword of Honour. (I try to ignore that idiotic Tomb Raider movie) Want to see this real bad.


It'll make you forget about QoS in a heartbeat. I don't recall Craig in the Tomb Raider flicks(mostly because I've successfully repressed the memories of sitting through them).
 
2012-11-14 05:52:16 PM  

GavinTheAlmighty: Hoboclown: Out of curiosity, what plot holes are you referring to?

I wouldn't call them holes, but there are some heinous Macguffins in that movie, chief among them being Q and the laptop.


Sure, there's some silly things like that but nothing that I would describe as "ridiculously bad". Spy movies based too much on real life end up like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (which is great but not as much fun as a Bond movie).

There just seems to be a lot of Bond hipsters on Fark lately bemoaning Skyfall as a terrible movie because Bond doesn't order his martini the right way or Q doesn't build a rocket launcher out of a sandwich.
 
2012-11-14 05:54:19 PM  
I liked Casino Royale a little better, but I really like Casino Royale so that's still good praise. Visually, Skyfall is better (minus there being less hot chick screen time), amazing cinematography.
 
2012-11-14 05:54:21 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: saw it last night. best bond yet.


It was really good, but I'm still torn between From Russia with Love and Goldfinger for the best Bond film.

Skyfall's gotta be up there, though. Top 10, if not top 5.
 
2012-11-14 05:54:47 PM  
Good.
 
2012-11-14 05:56:13 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: LeroyBourne: Javier was a pretty damn good villain, he's got sinister down.

The dude can talk about COCONUTS and be sinister as hell.


Minor thread jack* Have you seen 'the master' yet? Go see it, you wanna see sinister? Joaquin Phoenix is simply amazing, you'll forgive him for his dumbass rapping career. Trust.
 
2012-11-14 05:58:14 PM  
I don't know how anyone could call this film "good". It makes me very sad.
 
2012-11-14 06:00:06 PM  

LeroyBourne: Minor thread jack* Have you seen 'the master' yet? Go see it, you wanna see sinister? Joaquin Phoenix is simply amazing, you'll forgive him for his dumbass rapping career. Trust.


I still haven't seen it (through no fault of my own). I really WANT to see it, though. I'm game for anything Paul Thomas Anderson does.
 
2012-11-14 06:01:37 PM  
If Skyfall were a Harry Potter film...it would be "The Half Blood Prince"...
most of the time is wasted chasing down loose ends that don't pay off, we get "revalations" that no one gives a shiat about, somebody dies before it's all over...but really it's just bridging the last film to whatever is coming next...and thats about it.

/mostly disappointed in Sam Mendes ...Road to Perdition is such an amazing film...I expected more from him.
 
2012-11-14 06:02:23 PM  

GavinTheAlmighty: ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.

Name a Bond movie that didn't have an absolutely terrible plot.

There are a few ridiculous plot devices, but that's the standard MO for a Bond movie. I thought that it retained the spirit of Bond quite well, while still attempting to innovate. My biggest problem with the movie was that I hated Bardem's character. His character was little more than a used-up stock villain from the 80s. However, Bardem played him very well, and it was enough to make me look past the banality of the character and focus on everything that was good, which was a lot.


Yeah, a lot of these. Another friend of mine was complaining about the plot, and I said "As opposed to all the other Bond movies that didn't require a scorecard to keep track of?" Come on--you don't watch Bond movies for the PLOT. (Or if you do, you must be high) Bardem's character wasn't much--but his acting was phenomenal, so who cares? He took a meh character and made it believable.

It was definitely NOT like any other Bond film, I have to say that, so people expecting witty one-liners, a suave & polished 007, and hot chicks with double-entendre names are probably the ones who are most upset. It was, however, the most realistic Bond film ever, and they took time to set up a new ensemble cast, which is nice.
 
2012-11-14 06:04:20 PM  
if that movie were any better, it'd have two huge tits and a role on Community.
 
2012-11-14 06:04:39 PM  
I just want to see Daniel Craig attempt the hat toss like the earlier Bonds.

JUST ONCE.
 
2012-11-14 06:06:20 PM  

Stratohead:
*spoilers*

he worked for M in Hong Kong...went rouge , got caught (by whom? The Chinese? we are never told)


He didn't go rogue before he was caught, he was still an agent and M opted to trade his life for others. Does it matter who caught him? He's not pissed at the people who caught him, he's pissed at the person who sent him there.

he is tortured "for weeks" prior to FINALLY deciding hey...Poison Tooth...he attempts to use it, it doesn't work... so he ends up disfigured in a way that is very conveniently easy to disguise...why? that entire thing was just kind of thrown on there to what end? It's hardly thought out... then no explanation and more than 10 years later he comes back for revenge against M?
If he was captured and being tortured for weeks, THEN attempts a failed suicide that removed bone from his skull... then what happened? how did he escape? Did his captors help him with the Hydrogen Cyanide damage or what? Makes no damn sense.


If he believed that MI6 would attempt to save him, why would he eat the cyanide right away? He waits for weeks under torture before he finally gives in and the cyanide she gave him not only fails to work but tortures him worse and leaves him permanently disfigured. All of this is why he wants he's willing to go to such lengths to get back at M. Makes sense to me. Not sure how he escaped though, I'll give you that.

and of course all that unexplained horses shiat in Shanghai... fly someone in...kill a guard...leave the body where its easily found, use a super expensive specialized machine to cut a hole in glass...use a custom made weapon to shoot a guy looking at a painting... as opposed to just stabbing him with an ice pick, or choking the farker out...no...lets spend tens of thousands of dollars to make the crime THAT much easier to detect and trace... stupid and pointless.

How is sniping someone from another building easier to detect than walking up to someone and stabbing them with an ice pick? Why would the assassin care if someone finds a dead guard after he's already left the area?

This is nit-picky stuff.
 
2012-11-14 06:06:22 PM  

Hoboclown: Sure, there's some silly things like that but nothing that I would describe as "ridiculously bad". Spy movies based too much on real life end up like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (which is great but not as much fun as a Bond movie).

There just seems to be a lot of Bond hipsters on Fark lately bemoaning Skyfall as a terrible movie because Bond doesn't order his martini the right way or Q doesn't build a rocket launcher out of a sandwich.


I don't mind my Bond movies being unrealistic, or even outright silly; they just shouldn't be intentionally conflicting. I just didn't like the fact that Q is supposed to be an incredible computer genius, but he handled the laptop situation in a way that was completely out of character for anyone with even an iota of technical knowledge. I know it was necessary to drive the plot, but it was pretty jarring when it happened. It didn't ruin the movie, but it was dumb.

But I don't want to nitpick. On the whole, I thought it was glorious.
 
2012-11-14 06:06:24 PM  

Gyrfalcon:
It was, however, the most realistic Bond film ever,



i.qkme.me
 
2012-11-14 06:11:26 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: LeroyBourne: Minor thread jack* Have you seen 'the master' yet? Go see it, you wanna see sinister? Joaquin Phoenix is simply amazing, you'll forgive him for his dumbass rapping career. Trust.

I still haven't seen it (through no fault of my own). I really WANT to see it, though. I'm game for anything Paul Thomas Anderson does.


You'll love it, the Oscar buzz is a total toss up between him and PS Hoffman.
 
2012-11-14 06:11:38 PM  

Hoboclown: Stratohead:
How is sniping someone from another building easier to detect than walking up to someone and stabbing them with an ice pick? Why would the assassin care if someone finds a dead guard after he's already left the area?

This is nit-picky stuff....



leaving the guard lying in the lobby like opens up the chance someone could walk in and go "HEY DEAD GUARD! I SHOULD MAYBE CALL THE COPS!" while the assassin is still in the building.

then the whole aspect of the victim being in a room with people in on the plot to kill him... flying in an Assasin with specialized gear to do what they did is expensive and WAY risky...unless the whole point was to see how many ways the bad guys could try as hard as they could to get caught in the act, or leave as much physical evidence behind as possible "Hey...why is this hole in this window with all these powder burns>!" it makes ZERO sense.
 
2012-11-14 06:12:09 PM  
Not even close to the best movie ever made. It was entertaining, but a great movie? No, I watched it in IMAX also. It doesn't feel very "Bondy" at all in my opinion. For the game geeks out there, it would be like playing Assassin's Creed and never Assassinating anyone and instead running around with your sword drawn out just killing everything. Where is the subterfuge and spy part? 6/10 movie as far as Blockbusters go. For a movie you just happen to come across at home? 7.5 or 8/10.
 
2012-11-14 06:13:27 PM  

LeroyBourne: You'll love it, the Oscar buzz is a total toss up between him and PS Hoffman.


From what I understand, it would probably lean a little heavier toward Hoffman, since Phoenix all but disowned the Academy and called the Oscars horsecrap.
 
2012-11-14 06:16:17 PM  

Hoboclown: Stratohead:
*spoilers*

he worked for M in Hong Kong...went rouge , got caught (by whom? The Chinese? we are never told)

He didn't go rogue before he was caught, he was still an agent and M opted to trade his life for others. Does it matter who caught him? He's not pissed at the people who caught him, he's pissed at the person who sent him there.

he is tortured "for weeks" prior to FINALLY deciding hey...Poison Tooth...he attempts to use it, it doesn't work... so he ends up disfigured in a way that is very conveniently easy to disguise...why? that entire thing was just kind of thrown on there to what end? It's hardly thought out... then no explanation and more than 10 years later he comes back for revenge against M?
If he was captured and being tortured for weeks, THEN attempts a failed suicide that removed bone from his skull... then what happened? how did he escape? Did his captors help him with the Hydrogen Cyanide damage or what? Makes no damn sense.

If he believed that MI6 would attempt to save him, why would he eat the cyanide right away? He waits for weeks under torture before he finally gives in and the cyanide she gave him not only fails to work but tortures him worse and leaves him permanently disfigured. All of this is why he wants he's willing to go to such lengths to get back at M. Makes sense to me. Not sure how he escaped though, I'll give you that.

and of course all that unexplained horses shiat in Shanghai... fly someone in...kill a guard...leave the body where its easily found, use a super expensive specialized machine to cut a hole in glass...use a custom made weapon to shoot a guy looking at a painting... as opposed to just stabbing him with an ice pick, or choking the farker out...no...lets spend tens of thousands of dollars to make the crime THAT much easier to detect and trace... stupid and pointless.

How is sniping someone from another building easier to detect than walking up to someone and stabbing them with an ice pick? Why w ...


Ok, then answer why he even killed that guy in the first place? There is literally zero explanation except the fact that Bond meets the lady. Who then dies 20 minutes later never quite explaining how or why she knew Barden.

Honestly I enjoyed the movie, but it's not the masterpiece it's being described as.
 
2012-11-14 06:16:29 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I just want to see Daniel Craig attempt the hat toss like the earlier Bonds.

JUST ONCE.


He'd probably be as adept at that as he is at clever quips, amigo.
 
2012-11-14 06:18:46 PM  

Apos: He'd probably be as adept at that as he is at clever quips, amigo.


Heh, I don't doubt it!

I'm glad that the script didn't shortchange him in the zinger department.
 
2012-11-14 06:20:51 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Apos: He'd probably be as adept at that as he is at clever quips, amigo.

Heh, I don't doubt it!

I'm glad that the script didn't shortchange him in the zinger department.


Agreed.
 
2012-11-14 06:25:08 PM  
I think the next movie has the potential to be the best Craig movie. This movie did not care about the plot, which played second fiddle to developing the theme of old espionage and new espionage w/r/t people vs. tech. That theme was enjoyable, especially with all the nods to past Bonds, so in that way it was a Bond fan's Bond. It was not a Bond for Bond fans in that they skimped on the gadgetry and the glamour, and even the humor was not quite as fun/campy as you might expect. The music was good and acting was well above average for a Bond. That being said, it was a solid (if not well-rounded) Bond effort, I would give it a B/B+ and Casino Royale gets a B+/A-. QoS just sucked as a Bond movie. Final note, this was an improvement, but the next movie really needs to eradicate the Bourne influence on Bond.
 
2012-11-14 06:30:56 PM  

Stratohead: then the whole aspect of the victim being in a room with people in on the plot to kill him... flying in an Assasin with specialized gear to do what they did is expensive and WAY risky...unless the whole point was to see how many ways the bad guys could try as hard as they could to get caught in the act, or leave as much physical evidence behind as possible "Hey...why is this hole in this window with all these powder burns>!" it makes ZERO sense.


A hole in the window and powder burns means the shot came from another building, giving no clues as to who the shooter was other than the fact it couldn't have been anyone in the room with the target at the time. I'd say that's worth the money.

Lunchlady: Ok, then answer why he even killed that guy in the first place? There is literally zero explanation except the fact that Bond meets the lady. Who then dies 20 minutes later never quite explaining how or why she knew Barden.

Honestly I enjoyed the movie, but it's not the masterpiece it's being described as.


I might be in the minority here but it never mattered to me who the target was or why. Bond is tracking an assassin, assassins gonna assassinate. Bond probably could've saved him but he would've lost the advantage, and Bond being a cold bastard doesn't step in.

I'm not saying it's a masterpiece, but that doesn't mean it's ridiculous or shiatty either.
 
2012-11-14 06:39:13 PM  
I don't know why people are complaining about the plot.

-Bordem's character obviously parallels 007 because technically they were both screwed by M
-The technological aspects of the plot makes sense within the story line. Are they feasible? Probably, but the whole point is that it all leads into the next sequence of the story

The problem with a lot of people that I'm noticing is they expect James Bond to still be Cold War-era Bond and are somewhat thrown off by this Jason Borne-esque portrayal of the character. Times change, characters change. Jeez can't wait to see how people will react if they named Idris Elba as the new James Bond.
 
2012-11-14 06:45:28 PM  

Stratohead: leaving the guard lying in the lobby like opens up the chance someone could walk in and go "HEY DEAD GUARD! I SHOULD MAYBE CALL THE COPS!" while the assassin is still in the building.


He hid the corpse that was visible from the street. Once inside the building, who is he hiding the body from?

Hoboclown: Not sure how he escaped though, I'll give you that.


Why does it matter? It's not relevant to the story that Silva is telling about why he hates M.

Lunchlady: Ok, then answer why he even killed that guy in the first place? There is literally zero explanation except the fact that Bond meets the lady. Who then dies 20 minutes later never quite explaining how or why she knew Barden.


Again, why does it matter? It's not relevant to the story at all. And since we know nothing of the circumstances around who the victim was or why they were killing him, quibbling over the method used to assassinate him makes no sense.

These aren't plot holes. There is nothing self-contradictory, and nothing missing that would significantly add to the story.

Q being an alleged computer super-genius and then plugging the super-hacker's laptop into his own network would be a far, far better example.
 
2012-11-14 06:47:39 PM  

LegacyDL: I don't know why people are complaining about the plot.

-Bordem's character obviously parallels 007 because technically they were both screwed by M
-The technological aspects of the plot makes sense within the story line. Are they feasible? Probably, but the whole point is that it all leads into the next sequence of the story

The problem with a lot of people that I'm noticing is they expect James Bond to still be Cold War-era Bond and are somewhat thrown off by this Jason Borne-esque portrayal of the character. Times change, characters change. Jeez can't wait to see how people will react if they named Idris Elba as the new James Bond.


The plot doesn't make sense!

One example: Barden is in a Chinese jail being tortured for information he's not giving because M gave him up. Easy enough. He tries to end it with a cyanide capsule but it doesn't kill him and instead the acid mangles his face. OK, I'll buy it. But how the fark did he get out of the Chinese jail!?

Another example: Who is the guy the assassin shot? What was his connection with the lady? Better yet, what the hell was the lady's connection with Barden? We get she's scared of him. How do they know each other?

Another: Who the hell are Barden's henchmen and why the hell are they laying their lives down for a revenge plot against ONE WOMAN they've never met?

Another: Why in the fark does Barden's plot allow him to get captured? He knows that M is going to the Parliament meeting. Why not just head to London and ambush her?

Another: If this is a reboot and Craig's movies are the new timeline, why the hell does he have that DB5 with all the Goldfinger goodies?

God damn. I'm willing to overlook goofy Bond plots as much as the next guy (hey there Octopussy). But when you try to be "realistic" and a "serious take" don't make us roll our eyes every 5 minutes.
 
2012-11-14 07:14:58 PM  

Lunchlady: LegacyDL: I don't know why people are complaining about the plot.

-Bordem's character obviously parallels 007 because technically they were both screwed by M
-The technological aspects of the plot makes sense within the story line. Are they feasible? Probably, but the whole point is that it all leads into the next sequence of the story

The problem with a lot of people that I'm noticing is they expect James Bond to still be Cold War-era Bond and are somewhat thrown off by this Jason Borne-esque portrayal of the character. Times change, characters change. Jeez can't wait to see how people will react if they named Idris Elba as the new James Bond.

The plot doesn't make sense!

One example: Barden is in a Chinese jail being tortured for information he's not giving because M gave him up. Easy enough. He tries to end it with a cyanide capsule but it doesn't kill him and instead the acid mangles his face. OK, I'll buy it. But how the fark did he get out of the Chinese jail!?


Good question, but you have to admit that that's not exactly out of the realm of possibility as far as Bond movies go. These spies are assumed to be able to get out of basically anything after all.

Another example: Who is the guy the assassin shot? What was his connection with the lady? Better yet, what the hell was the lady's connection with Barden? We get she's scared of him. How do they know each other?

Who cares who that guy is? Bond doesn't, so why should we? He just wanted the assassin.

She worked for him under duress I thought. She started as a whore, shown by the whole tattoo thing, and probably moved up from there.

Another: Who the hell are Barden's henchmen and why the hell are they laying their lives down for a revenge plot against ONE WOMAN they've never met?

Money, or revenge against the UK. You're seriously complaining that Bond villains have henchmen with unexplained motives? Have you every watched a Bond movie before?

Another: Why in the fark does Barden's plot allow him to get captured? He knows that M is going to the Parliament meeting. Why not just head to London and ambush her?

Not sure about that one myself, I just assumed it was because he needed to see her in person, and he's bugfark insane.
 
2012-11-14 07:21:17 PM  
What the fark is wrong with you people?
 
2012-11-14 07:26:20 PM  
If he believed that MI6 would attempt to save him, why would he eat the cyanide right away? He waits for weeks under torture before he finally gives in and the cyanide she gave him not only fails to work but tortures him worse and leaves him permanently disfigured.

Agreeing: especially since he would have known that (a) he was M's best agent, and (b) that an arrangement between the intelligence agencies was likely to be part of a smooth hand over; he would naturally expect to be traded back.


Ok, then answer why he even killed that guy in the first place?

My best answer here is that Silva wants to be captured. Since Bond/Eve proved too incompetent to follow a damn train, he needed to wave the red cape to get MI6 back on plot. Damifino why he wanted to be captured - maybe escaping from the Chinese (?) was really fun, and he wanted to relive the experience.

It doesn't feel very "Bondy" at all in my opinion

I think a big part of this is that Bond is in a defensive role during the second half of the movie. Bond has been attacked/ambushed in other movies, but his usual MO is to track the master villain to the evil lair, destroy it, and save the world.
 
2012-11-14 07:54:22 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.


I disagree if comparing movie a movie.

I've seen Skyfall, liked it and might see it again. In my opinion, where Skyfall has more plot/story/construction and less action, Casino Royale leans toward the latter.

Both do what they do very well, but I have to give the edge to Casino Royale overall. Hopefully, the next flick can get back to leveraging the world that's been created, instead of building it.
 
2012-11-14 08:03:53 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.


Disagree strenuously. I can't understand why people think so.

It's a good movie, don't get me wrong. Much better than QoS. But it was a 1-dimensional plot, had weak dialogue and a lot of plot retreads from various movies, including but not limited to Mission: Impossible, Goldeneye and Crocodile Dundee II (not joking here).

And the plan that the villain hatched was kinda retarded if you think about it. Not going to go spoilery, but there were a thousands easier ways to hatch his scheme, and it was one of those "10000 things need to go right for this to work" plots.

But in the plus column, very strong theme song, Javier Bardem is awesome, Judi Dench is awesome, great photography, great locations, overall very good acting, the action scenes were fairly inspired but not ground-breaking.
 
2012-11-14 08:09:08 PM  
It was good, it was just very I dunno, dour, serious. I guess that's how Bond movies are now.
 
2012-11-14 08:11:56 PM  

Mugato: It was good, it was just very I dunno, dour, serious. I guess that's how Bond movies are now.


Be thankful, Mug. We could devolve back to Die Another Day.
 
2012-11-14 08:17:35 PM  

coeyagi: Mugato: It was good, it was just very I dunno, dour, serious. I guess that's how Bond movies are now.

Be thankful, Mug. We could devolve back to Die Another Day.


Oh, God.

Give me Dour Bond over Mario Paint Surfing Bond any day of the week.
 
2012-11-14 08:24:46 PM  
********************SPOILERS*********************SPOILERS************* **************************

It seems to me that a lot of you guys missed what the whole Shanghai sequence was all about. MI6 identified a type of bullet that was only used by 3 people in teh whole freakin world. Of those 3, Bond identified the one who stole the hard drive. M sent Bond to get info from the assassin who they know is to be working in Shanghai...and to kill him.

Now, Bond standing by to allow the assissination to happen just shows that he can make cold decisions. He had no orders to stop the assassin, just to get info from him.

IMHO, the guy who got shot was there for a reason. None of the people in the room seemed to react when he was shot. And the shot came the same instant the painting was unveiled. Maybe either they wanted that painting to be his last sight, or maybe it was all some complicated form of hari kari where he knew he would die and helped set the whole thing up. This is further supported by the fact that the guards at the casino never planned to let him leave with that 4 million pounds.
 
2012-11-14 08:27:17 PM  

Lunchlady: Hoboclown: Stratohead:
*spoilers*

he worked for M in Hong Kong...went rouge , got caught (by whom? The Chinese? we are never told)

He didn't go rogue before he was caught, he was still an agent and M opted to trade his life for others. Does it matter who caught him? He's not pissed at the people who caught him, he's pissed at the person who sent him there.

he is tortured "for weeks" prior to FINALLY deciding hey...Poison Tooth...he attempts to use it, it doesn't work... so he ends up disfigured in a way that is very conveniently easy to disguise...why? that entire thing was just kind of thrown on there to what end? It's hardly thought out... then no explanation and more than 10 years later he comes back for revenge against M?
If he was captured and being tortured for weeks, THEN attempts a failed suicide that removed bone from his skull... then what happened? how did he escape? Did his captors help him with the Hydrogen Cyanide damage or what? Makes no damn sense.

If he believed that MI6 would attempt to save him, why would he eat the cyanide right away? He waits for weeks under torture before he finally gives in and the cyanide she gave him not only fails to work but tortures him worse and leaves him permanently disfigured. All of this is why he wants he's willing to go to such lengths to get back at M. Makes sense to me. Not sure how he escaped though, I'll give you that.

and of course all that unexplained horses shiat in Shanghai... fly someone in...kill a guard...leave the body where its easily found, use a super expensive specialized machine to cut a hole in glass...use a custom made weapon to shoot a guy looking at a painting... as opposed to just stabbing him with an ice pick, or choking the farker out...no...lets spend tens of thousands of dollars to make the crime THAT much easier to detect and trace... stupid and pointless.

How is sniping someone from another building easier to detect than walking up to someone and stabbing them with an ice p ...


she was a whore from the age of a child, he "rescued" her, it was explained.
 
2012-11-14 08:29:05 PM  
wow that totaly quoted the wrong post, was suposed to be in response to

Lunchlady: There is literally zero explanation except the fact that Bond meets the lady. Who then dies 20 minutes later never quite explaining how or why she knew Barden.
 
2012-11-14 08:29:42 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: coeyagi: Mugato: It was good, it was just very I dunno, dour, serious. I guess that's how Bond movies are now.

Be thankful, Mug. We could devolve back to Die Another Day.

Oh, God.

Give me Dour Bond over Mario Paint Surfing Bond any day of the week.


No one wants to go back to Die Another Day. GoldenEye was a happy medium. There was some pathos with Bond, a properly pissed off villain (also a former MI6 agent), Q wasn't a punk kid, the gadgets were there but not overboard but most important, Bond looked like he was having fun chugging vodka. dogging girls and shooting people. But that's not what the Bond movies are now and that's fine.
 
2012-11-14 08:32:26 PM  

Mugato: No one wants to go back to Die Another Day. GoldenEye was a happy medium. There was some pathos with Bond, a properly pissed off villain (also a former MI6 agent), Q wasn't a punk kid, the gadgets were there but not overboard but most important, Bond looked like he was having fun chugging vodka. dogging girls and shooting people. But that's not what the Bond movies are now and that's fine.


Give it time, and we'll probably head back to that territory before too long.

It seems to be oddly cyclical with Bond movies.

/which reminds me, On Her Majesty's Secret Service is on BBC right now!
 
2012-11-14 08:39:15 PM  
For what it's worth, "I didn't understand X" or, "X is silly," does not mean "X" is a plot hole. A lot of Farkers confuse that in a multitude of movies.
 
2012-11-14 08:42:43 PM  
does it really matter how he escaped? I mean that sort of plot element is easily hand waved. There is no need to have MORE exposition on that. Hell that would be an entire other movie tbh.
 
2012-11-14 08:43:21 PM  
Is the Queen in this one too?
 
2012-11-14 08:45:39 PM  

ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.


The bad guy chains Bond to a table saw then leaves the room.
 
2012-11-14 09:01:23 PM  
They are plot holes...holes in the plot. While some things can be implied, most can not for this film. Without a supporting story structure in place, we are left with a rough draft of a story, where we ended up with a bunch of plot elements that only exist to justify dangling some actor off a precarious perch, or to clumsily move to the next locale change...

Fir instance... Bad guy has allready shot Bond with...groan...a"depleted uranium " auto pistol round, that somehow didn't just cut through him like butter...MP told by M to " take the damn shot"...which he misses...or somehow hits the existent bullet wound? Cuz everyone guilts The shiat out of MP for shooting and missing.

Anyways...Bond has dp shrapnel in his chest...for over a year, before going " say, I've been keeping these safe inside my body...and only now cut them out AFTER all that strenuous excercise montage to confidently move the scene to China."

It's just bad writing.
 
2012-11-14 09:05:39 PM  
So far as the DB5...suppose it could be the one he won @ Texas Holdem in Casino Royale, with some mods.

/do I get a No-Prize?


//or was just fan-service?
 
2012-11-14 09:06:18 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Mugato: No one wants to go back to Die Another Day. GoldenEye was a happy medium. There was some pathos with Bond, a properly pissed off villain (also a former MI6 agent), Q wasn't a punk kid, the gadgets were there but not overboard but most important, Bond looked like he was having fun chugging vodka. dogging girls and shooting people. But that's not what the Bond movies are now and that's fine.

Give it time, and we'll probably head back to that territory before too long.

It seems to be oddly cyclical with Bond movies.

/which reminds me, On Her Majesty's Secret Service is on BBC right now!


YES! Time for the exploits of Sir Hillary Grey!
 
2012-11-14 09:08:04 PM  

Apos: YES! Time for the exploits of Sir Hillary Grey!


Which never happened to the OTHER guy, incidentally!
 
2012-11-14 09:10:28 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Apos: YES! Time for the exploits of Sir Hillary Grey!

Which never happened to the OTHER guy, incidentally!


Heh....Right.
 
2012-11-14 09:10:37 PM  
Worst Bourne movie evar!
 
2012-11-14 09:27:22 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.


Agreed. And that's a fairly high bar.
 
2012-11-14 09:28:24 PM  

StrangeQ: The English Major: DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.

It really is. Avoid Quantum of Solace at all costs.

And here I am trying to figure out the source of the mass delusion making people think this way. Seriously...the plot was meandering, the characters underdeveloped, the deus ex machina of minions and military hardware implausible, the lack of gadgets notable and the ultimate failure of the mission glaring. It wasn't a terrible movie per se...but I really don't see the ecstatic appeal that some are showing.


I agree with you quite much many lots.

Except the gadget thing was on purpose and I was okay with it.
 
2012-11-14 09:37:48 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Spanky_McFarksalot: saw it last night. best bond yet.

It was really good, but I'm still torn between From Russia with Love and Goldfinger for the best Bond film.

Skyfall's gotta be up there, though. Top 10, if not top 5.


I've never been a big fan of TRWL. I know that's blasphemy to many Bond fans but you'll get over it. Also, full disclosure--I have never seen OHMSS. Watching it right now on BBCAmerica and am underwhelmed, but I'm DVRing it and will give it another chance in the near future.
 
2012-11-14 09:53:08 PM  

John Buck 41: I've never been a big fan of TRWL. I know that's blasphemy to many Bond fans but you'll get over it. Also, full disclosure--I have never seen OHMSS. Watching it right now on BBCAmerica and am underwhelmed, but I'm DVRing it and will give it another chance in the near future.


Fair enough on both counts.

OHMSS gets better with rewatchings.

I didn't like it so much the first time around, but it really grew on me.

Who knows?
 
2012-11-14 10:03:57 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.


If you like more typical Bond movies, you'll probably like this one better.

People who like the first one because of the ways that it deviated from the norm will like it less.

Good pacing. Decent villain solidly in the vein of Moriarty from the newish Sherlock TV series, Loki as portrayed in the Marvel flicks, and Ledger's Joker, though not as good as any of those IMO (dude playing Loki knocked that shiat out of the park in Thor; less so in Avengers, admittedly). Good effects. Turn-your-brain-off-to-enjoy-it finale. One of the best credit sequences of any Bond I've seen.

*shrug* 

/ Three-movies-old reboot-Bond as the crotchety, outdated, past his prime spy makes less and less goddamn sense the more I think about it.
 
2012-11-14 10:11:37 PM  

TDBoedy: does it really matter how he escaped? I mean that sort of plot element is easily hand waved. There is no need to have MORE exposition on that. Hell that would be an entire other movie tbh.


But the whole premise, to be captured, so he could escape in some elaborate plot and then go through the tube tunnels just so he could get to the hearing that also had M there by chance, in part because of his actions, in order to kill her.... c'mon.

I liked the rest of the movie, didn't think it was as good as Casino Royale, but the end of Act II kinda ruined it for me from being up there with Casino.
 
2012-11-14 10:15:20 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: I've never been a big fan of TRWL. I know that's blasphemy to many Bond fans but you'll get over it. Also, full disclosure--I have never seen OHMSS. Watching it right now on BBCAmerica and am underwhelmed, but I'm DVRing it and will give it another chance in the near future.

Fair enough on both counts.

OHMSS gets better with rewatchings.

I didn't like it so much the first time around, but it really grew on me.

Who knows?


To be fair, I'm not giving it my full attention. It's sorta like background while I check email, Fark, and drink bourbon. Which is pretty much a typical night at Buck Manor.

Having said that, nothing I've seen or heard in the last 2+ hours has jumped out at me and said "Hey, look at me! A cool Bond movie you've never seen!"
 
2012-11-14 10:29:15 PM  
If you have not seen this I would suggest that you don't bother or wait to rent it. In my opinion it was just a long drawn out plot to get rid of 2 of the main characters and update the basic cast. The stunts were repeats of stuff already done in other movies. There was really not much suspense to the end of the movie as the outcome was sort of obvious. I sort of found it boring. We saw 3 movies on the day we saw Skyfall: Cloud Atlas, Skyfall, and Flight. Flight was the absolute best.
 
2012-11-14 10:33:00 PM  

red5ish: Greatest toy car I ever owned.
[imageshack.us image 500x341]
The James Bond franchise is a part of my childhood. One of the good parts.



That's so awesome.... I have the same Corgi car myself.

Anyone who keeps up this charade that QoS was the biggest duck-turd to be laid-upon the franchise has obviously never seen the last two Bronson movies. Or the last Dalton one. Or pretty much every-single one that Moore starred in past TSHLM.


This scene wasn't the best part of QoS, but it was probably the most awesome part
 
2012-11-14 10:37:34 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: I've never been a big fan of TRWL. I know that's blasphemy to many Bond fans but you'll get over it. Also, full disclosure--I have never seen OHMSS. Watching it right now on BBCAmerica and am underwhelmed, but I'm DVRing it and will give it another chance in the near future.

Fair enough on both counts.

OHMSS gets better with rewatchings.

I didn't like it so much the first time around, but it really grew on me.

Who knows?


Hear, hear. I'd forgotten how fantastic it was. Lazenby's portrayal was top notch.
 
2012-11-14 10:39:54 PM  
When I see a Bond movie, I want a pimped out British sports car, enough gadgets to make Batman blush, and some worthy one-liners. I grew up during the Roger Moore era... so sue me.
 
2012-11-14 10:41:10 PM  
Skyfall has become the #2 film of all time in the UK, and is poised to become #1 in short order

Who is number 1?
www.wired.com
 
2012-11-14 10:42:01 PM  
Saw it last night. It was awesome.
 
2012-11-14 11:00:30 PM  

Apos: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: I've never been a big fan of TRWL. I know that's blasphemy to many Bond fans but you'll get over it. Also, full disclosure--I have never seen OHMSS. Watching it right now on BBCAmerica and am underwhelmed, but I'm DVRing it and will give it another chance in the near future.

Fair enough on both counts.

OHMSS gets better with rewatchings.

I didn't like it so much the first time around, but it really grew on me.

Who knows?

Hear, hear. I'd forgotten how fantastic it was. Lazenby's portrayal was top notch.


Well, he certainly lived up to the rest of the movie in terms of plot, character development, editing, special effects, suspense, tension, ad nauseum.

Throughly forgettable. But I will give it another shot someday.
 
2012-11-14 11:02:30 PM  
For everyone complaining about plot holes, it's a movie. Suspension of disbelief is required unless watching a documentary. It's also a Bond flick. That should clue you in much like when you see an ad for a Jason Statham film.
 
2012-11-14 11:06:23 PM  

Apos: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: I've never been a big fan of TRWL. I know that's blasphemy to many Bond fans but you'll get over it. Also, full disclosure--I have never seen OHMSS. Watching it right now on BBCAmerica and am underwhelmed, but I'm DVRing it and will give it another chance in the near future.

Fair enough on both counts.

OHMSS gets better with rewatchings.

I didn't like it so much the first time around, but it really grew on me.

Who knows?

Hear, hear. I'd forgotten how fantastic it was. Lazenby's portrayal was top notch.



OHMSS is just starting on BBCA....figured you might want to know
 
2012-11-14 11:21:33 PM  

fatalvenom: Apos: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: I've never been a big fan of TRWL. I know that's blasphemy to many Bond fans but you'll get over it. Also, full disclosure--I have never seen OHMSS. Watching it right now on BBCAmerica and am underwhelmed, but I'm DVRing it and will give it another chance in the near future.

Fair enough on both counts.

OHMSS gets better with rewatchings.

I didn't like it so much the first time around, but it really grew on me.

Who knows?

Hear, hear. I'd forgotten how fantastic it was. Lazenby's portrayal was top notch.


OHMSS is just starting on BBCA....figured you might want to know


I know. I'm watching it right now with the biggest grin on my face.
 
2012-11-14 11:29:03 PM  

Mega Steve: Skyfall has become the #2 film of all time in the UK, and is poised to become #1 in short order

Who is number 1?
[www.wired.com image 660x429]


You are #6:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-14 11:32:32 PM  

Stratohead: They are plot holes...holes in the plot. While some things can be implied, most can not for this film. Without a supporting story structure in place, we are left with a rough draft of a story, where we ended up with a bunch of plot elements that only exist to justify dangling some actor off a precarious perch, or to clumsily move to the next locale change...

Fir instance... Bad guy has allready shot Bond with...groan...a"depleted uranium " auto pistol round, that somehow didn't just cut through him like butter...MP told by M to " take the damn shot"...which he misses...or somehow hits the existent bullet wound? Cuz everyone guilts The shiat out of MP for shooting and missing.

Anyways...Bond has dp shrapnel in his chest...for over a year, before going " say, I've been keeping these safe inside my body...and only now cut them out AFTER all that strenuous excercise montage to confidently move the scene to China."

It's just bad writing.


It's a Bond movie, I know...but I'll bite.

First off, if you pay attention, there's evidence of a second bullet wound on Bond's abdomen as he's floating down the river, just before he falls down the waterfall. It's real blink-and-you-miss-it stuff, but it's there.

Second, Bond himself even mentions to Eve that her shot injured a couple of ribs and "a few of the less vital organs."

Third, depleted uranium or no, that was still a 9mm bullet, because the gun Patrice used was a Glock 18. Never mind that the bullet that struck Bond had to punch through either glass or metal before actually reaching him. And of course, if I really wanted to get nitpicky, I'd start asking whether said round was a FMJ or a hollowpoint, because that in of itself can play a role in penetration and what kind of damage it could have done to him. Depleted uranium's nasty stuff, sure, but that alone's not going to "cut someone in half". That has more to do with the size and speed of the bullet itself. If anything, a 9mm depleted uranium bullet might actually travel SLOWER than a normal 9mm round.
 
2012-11-14 11:39:51 PM  

epyonyx: For everyone complaining about plot holes, it's a movie. Suspension of disbelief is required unless watching a documentary. It's also a Bond flick. That should clue you in much like when you see an ad for a Jason Statham film.


And yet Casino Royale didn't have these problems, which is why it was better.

But please, continue to tell me how when comparing 23 films in a franchise it isn't germaine to discuss every nuance of a film to bring forth a hierarchy of quality.
 
2012-11-14 11:41:23 PM  

Clutch2013: Stratohead: They are plot holes...holes in the plot. While some things can be implied, most can not for this film. Without a supporting story structure in place, we are left with a rough draft of a story, where we ended up with a bunch of plot elements that only exist to justify dangling some actor off a precarious perch, or to clumsily move to the next locale change...

Fir instance... Bad guy has allready shot Bond with...groan...a"depleted uranium " auto pistol round, that somehow didn't just cut through him like butter...MP told by M to " take the damn shot"...which he misses...or somehow hits the existent bullet wound? Cuz everyone guilts The shiat out of MP for shooting and missing.

Anyways...Bond has dp shrapnel in his chest...for over a year, before going " say, I've been keeping these safe inside my body...and only now cut them out AFTER all that strenuous excercise montage to confidently move the scene to China."

It's just bad writing.

It's a Bond movie, I know...but I'll bite.

First off, if you pay attention, there's evidence of a second bullet wound on Bond's abdomen as he's floating down the river, just before he falls down the waterfall. It's real blink-and-you-miss-it stuff, but it's there.

Second, Bond himself even mentions to Eve that her shot injured a couple of ribs and "a few of the less vital organs."

Third, depleted uranium or no, that was still a 9mm bullet, because the gun Patrice used was a Glock 18. Never mind that the bullet that struck Bond had to punch through either glass or metal before actually reaching him. And of course, if I really wanted to get nitpicky, I'd start asking whether said round was a FMJ or a hollowpoint, because that in of itself can play a role in penetration and what kind of damage it could have done to him. Depleted uranium's nasty stuff, sure, but that alone's not going to "cut someone in half". That has more to do with the size and speed of the bullet itself. If anything, a 9mm depleted uranium bull ...


Plus, I distinctly remember that they made a point of mentioning that he got hit by shrapnel only, not a direct hit by the bullet.
 
2012-11-15 12:07:41 AM  
The plot reminded me of The Dark Knight, with Silva's overly intricate plans when a simple bomb would have been sufficient. That said, it was a good movie.
 
2012-11-15 12:19:17 AM  
But only because it's a good movie
 
2012-11-15 01:12:33 AM  
Saw it this evening.

Pros:
Characters, dialogue, acting, villain, callbacks, visuals (especially Shanghai).

Cons:
Story was so-so as a whole, though I did enjoy the origins of Bond and Silva.

All in all, it was a nice change of pace from "guy wants world domination" or "guy wants a lot of money". Silva and his antics made for great fun, and Bond's "resurrection" over the course of the film is great, as is his interaction with everyone. I also loved Naomi Harris and Judi Dench.
 
2012-11-15 01:19:39 AM  

Lunchlady: ...If this is a reboot and Craig's movies are the new timeline, why the hell does he have that DB5 with all the Goldfinger goodies?...


It's fan service. It's not supposed to be tied in with anything else.
 
2012-11-15 01:23:43 AM  
It was different but I liked it.

As for "plot holes", I'm not sure some of you know what that means. It doesn't mean any area where you find the story could be better, it means huge gaping unintended "wait how the hell did that happen?" moments. Complete breaks of logic or massive unexplained advances in the story.

*SPOILERS*
*SPOILERS*
*SPOILERS*

The only bits I groaned a bit to myself over was some of the "hacking" stuff and the depleted uranium pistol ammo. And neither of those were too bad.

Depleted uranium is typically used for maximum penetration in cases of armor or if your target is behind one or more objects of impact for the projectile. It's very very dense meaning it can punch through to your desired target.

If it was DU it wouldn't have fractured like a jacketed round does, which is what those slivers looked like that Bond was pulling from his shoulder. If Bond pulled anything out it should have been a hunk of metal... this is ignoring that since he wasn't wearing armor a DU round would have punched clean through him.

The Aston bit and the last introduction of the movie seemed a bit too convenient and intentional. But on top of just making a new bond movie they wanted to set up a new cast theme for the next ones AND have a couple of 50th anniversary hat tips in the movie.

I also feel like some of the parts of the story were rushed. Both the entire thing in Taiwan or wherever they were and the time on the abandoned island, these locations seemed rushed. As soon as we find out why we are there we are on to the next stop.

Overall, good flick. Very cool that they went with a disgruntled ex-employee revenge thing instead of a "HUGE MEGAPLOT TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD WITH SCIENCE!"
 
2012-11-15 03:13:23 AM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: I've never been a big fan of TRWL. I know that's blasphemy to many Bond fans but you'll get over it. Also, full disclosure--I have never seen OHMSS. Watching it right now on BBCAmerica and am underwhelmed, but I'm DVRing it and will give it another chance in the near future.

Fair enough on both counts.

OHMSS gets better with rewatchings.

I didn't like it so much the first time around, but it really grew on me.

Who knows?


I've had sort of the opposite reaction: the first few times I saw it it was 'meh' (in my youth my favorite Bond film
was THUNDERBALL, and its still up there in my personal top 5), but the more I see it the more I cringe at Lazenby's
uneven performance. At times he's as flippant and jokey as the worst of Roger Moore, at others he manages to
pull off the 'world weary spy taking a chance on love' bit excellently. If he'd been a better actor it would have been
a far better film.
 
2012-11-15 04:10:31 AM  
SPOILER ALERT

OK, I saw this weeks ago and something has been bugging me since - its been out long enough now so here goes. The baddie wins! His whole plan was to kill M and she dies?!?!? He even shows that he is willing to die himself to make it happen so the fact that he does die too doesn't really matter. In short, Bond loses and baddie wins.
 
2012-11-15 06:52:26 AM  
I saw this on Monday...

First Bond film i've ever wanted to stand up and applaud as the end credits rolled. Absolutely epic film.

Brigandaca, does that really matter? Does Bond have to win every mission? Bardem's villain is Bonds equal, the only difference is that Bond survived, because Bond is better than him....

Sam Mendes has done a job second only to that of Martin Campbell in creating a more intense Bond, The cinematography was amazing, the hat tips made me smile..and we are set back in the proper world of Flemings Bond, with M, the leather doored office, Moneypenny

Ralph Feinnes is M!!! How can that not be the most awesome thing to happen ever? All of you muppets who are saying 'it was crap, it had plot holes', it's BOND. Sit down, shut up and strap yourself in. This is in my top 3.

1.Tommorrow never dies
2. Casino Royale
3. Skyfall.
 
2012-11-15 08:10:33 AM  

moel: This is in my top 3.

1.Tommorrow never dies

From Russia With Love
2. Casino Royale
3. Skyfall.


FTFY... ;-)
 
2012-11-15 08:29:17 AM  

Mega Steve: Skyfall has become the #2 film of all time in the UK, and is poised to become #1 in short order

Who is number 1?
[www.wired.com image 660x429]


You are, Number Two.

- or -

You are Number Two.

/my favorite series of all time
 
2012-11-15 08:46:38 AM  
Saw it last night. I think it runs neck and neck with Royale. Wish they had developed Bardem's character a bit more, done some flash backs or something instead of just him telling us what his beef was. Thought Q was good. Fight scenes in Shanghai were great. Glad they're brining in Fiennes...love him in just about everything.
 
2012-11-15 08:57:31 AM  
I really liked the nod to Bond's parent's tombstone. Bardem looking at it mildly surprised. Was that because Bond's mother was French?
 
2012-11-15 09:23:03 AM  
As an aside, can someone tell me what the actual point was of the guy having the casino chip in his assassination kit? I mean obviously it's how he collects his money once the assassination is done, but is there any purpose to it besides collateral?
 
2012-11-15 10:20:16 AM  

KeelingLovesCornholes: Saw it last night. I think it runs neck and neck with Royale. Wish they had developed Bardem's character a bit more, done some flash backs or something instead of just him telling us what his beef was. Thought Q was good. Fight scenes in Shanghai were great. Glad they're brining in Fiennes...love him in just about everything.


See I thought the "he just tells it" really works there. It's distant past, it really doesn't matter to Bond, it matters very little to M. He's the only one it is driving, and by having it just be a tale he relates the film makes it seem that much more isolated, empty, and personal.
 
2012-11-15 10:54:02 AM  

Stratohead: t"...which he misses...or somehow hits the existent bullet wound? Cuz everyone guilts The shiat out of MP for shooting and missing.


Yeah,

fatalvenom: red5ish: Greatest toy car I ever owned.
[imageshack.us image 500x341]
The James Bond franchise is a part of my childhood. One of the good parts.


That's so awesome.... I have the same Corgi car myself.

Anyone who keeps up this charade that QoS was the biggest duck-turd to be laid-upon the franchise has obviously never seen the last two Bronson movies. Or the last Dalton one. Or pretty much every-single one that Moore starred in past TSHLM.


This scene wasn't the best part of QoS, but it was probably the most awesome part


I for one really enjoy QoS. And you're right, that scene is awesome. I love how much you can tell that Bond wants to kill Vesper's boyfriend, and that it takes everything in him not to.
 
2012-11-15 10:57:33 AM  
Two things: Where does Eve hit Bond when she shoots him? And how the fark did Silva know Bond would be chasing him down that tunnel so as to set up a bomb to divert a train on top of him?
 
2012-11-15 11:00:29 AM  

Falco09: Two things: Where does Eve hit Bond when she shoots him? And how the fark did Silva know Bond would be chasing him down that tunnel so as to set up a bomb to divert a train on top of him?


Lower abdomen and I thought the explosion was there to cover his tracks no matter what or just in case he was pursued by anyone from MI6. It also creates a distraction and panic that allows him to covertly approach the hearing.
 
2012-11-15 12:01:20 PM  
 
2012-11-15 12:28:54 PM  

Sybarite: Aaand now I'm in the Skyfall tropes page.


Doesn't take much to be considered a trope, does it? I imagine you could come up with a list like that for every movie.
 
2012-11-15 03:27:01 PM  
I liked the "A-Team" scene of everyone preparing traps for the upcoming foes.

Why they didn't just escape into the tunnel at the beginning, I don't know.
 
2012-11-15 03:43:01 PM  

Hoboclown: Sybarite: Aaand now I'm in the Skyfall tropes page.

Doesn't take much to be considered a trope, does it? I imagine you could come up with a list like that for every movie.



TV Tropes does have a page for every movie. Okay maybe not *every* movie, but you'd have to go damned obscure to find one that doesn't exist yet.
 
2012-11-16 02:31:21 PM  

coeyagi: TDBoedy: does it really matter how he escaped? I mean that sort of plot element is easily hand waved. There is no need to have MORE exposition on that. Hell that would be an entire other movie tbh.

But the whole premise, to be captured, so he could escape in some elaborate plot and then go through the tube tunnels just so he could get to the hearing that also had M there by chance, in part because of his actions, in order to kill her.... c'mon.

I liked the rest of the movie, didn't think it was as good as Casino Royale, but the end of Act II kinda ruined it for me from being up there with Casino.


it didn't happen over night. He escaped years ago...He was captured back in the 1990's. And ever since he's been rogue.
 
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