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(Deadline)   Skyfall has become the #2 film of all time in the UK, and is poised to become #1 in short order   (deadline.com) divider line 125
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2012-11-14 02:23:04 PM
As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.
 
2012-11-14 02:35:40 PM
so want to see this!
 
2012-11-14 02:43:31 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.


This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.
 
2012-11-14 02:58:19 PM
This one is different than many/most of the other Bond films. It has everything you want - chases, explosions, gun fights, gadgets, etc. But it's got this weird introspection thing going that I'm not used to in my Bond movies. It gave it an extra je ne sais quoi that made it fairly spectacular.

Short version: They tried something new and daring, and they made it work. It was cool.
 
2012-11-14 03:17:01 PM
Been a fan of Craig since Sword of Honour. (I try to ignore that idiotic Tomb Raider movie) Want to see this real bad.
 
2012-11-14 03:31:31 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.


It really is. Avoid Quantum of Solace at all costs.
 
2012-11-14 03:50:43 PM
saw it, loved it, nuff said
 
2012-11-14 04:01:57 PM
"Well, I guess that is completely inconspicuous."

Few can deliver a line like Dame Judy.
 
2012-11-14 05:16:39 PM
Excellent-and unsurprising-news. May the climb continue.
 
2012-11-14 05:17:55 PM
What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.
 
2012-11-14 05:19:49 PM

The English Major: DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.

It really is. Avoid Quantum of Solace at all costs.


And here I am trying to figure out the source of the mass delusion making people think this way. Seriously...the plot was meandering, the characters underdeveloped, the deus ex machina of minions and military hardware implausible, the lack of gadgets notable and the ultimate failure of the mission glaring. It wasn't a terrible movie per se...but I really don't see the ecstatic appeal that some are showing.
 
2012-11-14 05:20:15 PM
Stop liking things that I don't like.

/Boring set pieces
//Lame locales
///To low-tech
 
2012-11-14 05:22:36 PM

ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.


This is also true
 
2012-11-14 05:27:42 PM

The English Major: DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.

It really is. Avoid Quantum of Solace at all costs.


That's been my impression, and I have successfully done so (the only Bond movie I've never seen, actually).
 
2012-11-14 05:30:36 PM
It was solid, but I have to say I was expecting a bit better.
 
2012-11-14 05:31:38 PM

The English Major: DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.

It really is. Avoid Quantum of Solace at all costs.


You're both wrong. It's as good as Casino Royale, but not better. It's a toss up really. And Quantum of Solace isn't as bad as some believe. Take out the parachute sequence as filmed and it's still better than most other Bond movies.
 
2012-11-14 05:33:54 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.


if you felt "meh" about Casino Royale....skip Skyfall and wait for DVD or cable.

Unless you have a preference for massive plotholes, lack luster action (the most exciting bits dominate the trailers, and thats about it...frankly the Heinken commercial is more interesting than most of the "action" since the film shoots its wad in the opening chase).
*SPOLIERS*
They spend a lot of time perpetuating this Independence Day level understanding of how computers work, and then have the balls to tell you "we won't be having any cool Bond gadgets cuz that would be unrealistic and silly).... Javier Bardeem can't pick an accent or a mannerism and stick with it, so his character is just all over the map... there is a whole setup about some strange overly complicated assassination in Shanghai that Bond not only fails to prevent when he could easily have done so...it just happens, and then the film moves with zero explanation or even mild curiosity over what the fark THAT just was.
Frankly...its not the worst Bond film... but its not a very good Bond film. Its like it was tailor made for a George Lazenby comeback.
 
2012-11-14 05:35:55 PM

ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.


The plot was fine. Some people just can't suspend their disbelief and love to nitpick.
 
2012-11-14 05:37:10 PM

Hoboclown: ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.

The plot was fine. Some people just can't suspend their disbelief and love to nitpick.


Its not "nitpicking" when you can drive a Peterbuilt through the holes
 
2012-11-14 05:38:00 PM
Javier was a pretty damn good villain, he's got sinister down. Spoilers* Even when he kinda got gay with Bond. It might be that when ever I see him I only think about No Country for Old Men and how ruthless he was in that.
 
2012-11-14 05:38:00 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

This one is better than CASINO ROYALE.


Word to that.

Keep in mind, I really dug Casino Royale.

My issues with Quantum of Solace - of which there are many - have nothing to do with Craig.

Skyfall delivers the goods, and THEN some.
 
2012-11-14 05:38:36 PM

LeroyBourne: Javier was a pretty damn good villain, he's got sinister down.


The dude can talk about COCONUTS and be sinister as hell.
 
2012-11-14 05:39:39 PM

ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.


Name a Bond movie that didn't have an absolutely terrible plot.

There are a few ridiculous plot devices, but that's the standard MO for a Bond movie. I thought that it retained the spirit of Bond quite well, while still attempting to innovate. My biggest problem with the movie was that I hated Bardem's character. His character was little more than a used-up stock villain from the 80s. However, Bardem played him very well, and it was enough to make me look past the banality of the character and focus on everything that was good, which was a lot.
 
2012-11-14 05:39:50 PM

Stratohead: Hoboclown: ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.

The plot was fine. Some people just can't suspend their disbelief and love to nitpick.

Its not "nitpicking" when you can drive a Peterbuilt through the holes


Out of curiosity, what plot holes are you referring to?
 
2012-11-14 05:40:38 PM
I preferred Mads Mikkelsen to Javier Bardem, but Skyfall is a better movie than CR, I think.
 
2012-11-14 05:42:43 PM

Hoboclown: Out of curiosity, what plot holes are you referring to?


I wouldn't call them holes, but there are some heinous Macguffins in that movie, chief among them being Q and the laptop.
 
2012-11-14 05:43:42 PM

ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.


James Bond movies don't have plots. They have a series of dialogs and events that hold the action sequences together, if that's what you mean.
 
2012-11-14 05:49:18 PM
Greatest toy car I ever owned.
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The James Bond franchise is a part of my childhood. One of the good parts.
 
2012-11-14 05:49:31 PM

Stratohead: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: As a guy who let out a big meh for the first Craig movie, is this one worth seeing? Never saw the other one.

if you felt "meh" about Casino Royale....skip Skyfall and wait for DVD or cable.

Unless you have a preference for massive plotholes, lack luster action (the most exciting bits dominate the trailers, and thats about it...frankly the Heinken commercial is more interesting than most of the "action" since the film shoots its wad in the opening chase).
*SPOLIERS*
They spend a lot of time perpetuating this Independence Day level understanding of how computers work, and then have the balls to tell you "we won't be having any cool Bond gadgets cuz that would be unrealistic and silly).... Javier Bardeem can't pick an accent or a mannerism and stick with it, so his character is just all over the map... there is a whole setup about some strange overly complicated assassination in Shanghai that Bond not only fails to prevent when he could easily have done so...it just happens, and then the film moves with zero explanation or even mild curiosity over what the fark THAT just was.
Frankly...its not the worst Bond film... but its not a very good Bond film. Its like it was tailor made for a George Lazenby comeback.


The wife and I were talking about that. There was no explanation...none. The only semi-relevant plot point it made was his difficulty with holding on to the elevator, but even that was never made any more a deal of than "here is Bond having a hard time because he's in a rut and out of shape. And now on to this next scene where we will forget about all of that and show him taking out three armed guards just because..." The movie was just so disjointed, it felt like a bunch of randomly patched together scenes that just happen to involve some of the same characters.
 
2012-11-14 05:50:01 PM

Hoboclown: Stratohead: Hoboclown: ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.

The plot was fine. Some people just can't suspend their disbelief and love to nitpick.

Its not "nitpicking" when you can drive a Peterbuilt through the holes

Out of curiosity, what plot holes are you referring to?


See Bardeems entire character. His entire character is a massive plot hole

*spoilers*

he worked for M in Hong Kong...went rouge , got caught (by whom? The Chinese? we are never told)
he is tortured "for weeks" prior to FINALLY deciding hey...Poison Tooth...he attempts to use it, it doesn't work... so he ends up disfigured in a way that is very conveniently easy to disguise...why? that entire thing was just kind of thrown on there to what end? It's hardly thought out... then no explanation and more than 10 years later he comes back for revenge against M?
If he was captured and being tortured for weeks, THEN attempts a failed suicide that removed bone from his skull... then what happened? how did he escape? Did his captors help him with the Hydrogen Cyanide damage or what? Makes no damn sense.
Theres the entire plot hinging around "hacking" bullshiat... and of course all that unexplained horses shiat in Shanghai... fly someone in...kill a guard...leave the body where its easily found, use a super expensive specialized machine to cut a hole in glass...use a custom made weapon to shoot a guy looking at a painting... as opposed to just stabbing him with an ice pick, or choking the farker out...no...lets spend tens of thousands of dollars to make the crime THAT much easier to detect and trace... stupid and pointless.
 
2012-11-14 05:50:55 PM
saw it last night. best bond yet.

I normally hate cybercrime movies, like Die hard 23 or whatever it was, but this one was actually good and geeky about it.
 
2012-11-14 05:51:21 PM

gopher321: Been a fan of Craig since Sword of Honour. (I try to ignore that idiotic Tomb Raider movie) Want to see this real bad.


It'll make you forget about QoS in a heartbeat. I don't recall Craig in the Tomb Raider flicks(mostly because I've successfully repressed the memories of sitting through them).
 
2012-11-14 05:52:16 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: Hoboclown: Out of curiosity, what plot holes are you referring to?

I wouldn't call them holes, but there are some heinous Macguffins in that movie, chief among them being Q and the laptop.


Sure, there's some silly things like that but nothing that I would describe as "ridiculously bad". Spy movies based too much on real life end up like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (which is great but not as much fun as a Bond movie).

There just seems to be a lot of Bond hipsters on Fark lately bemoaning Skyfall as a terrible movie because Bond doesn't order his martini the right way or Q doesn't build a rocket launcher out of a sandwich.
 
2012-11-14 05:54:19 PM
I liked Casino Royale a little better, but I really like Casino Royale so that's still good praise. Visually, Skyfall is better (minus there being less hot chick screen time), amazing cinematography.
 
2012-11-14 05:54:21 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: saw it last night. best bond yet.


It was really good, but I'm still torn between From Russia with Love and Goldfinger for the best Bond film.

Skyfall's gotta be up there, though. Top 10, if not top 5.
 
2012-11-14 05:54:47 PM
Good.
 
2012-11-14 05:56:13 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: LeroyBourne: Javier was a pretty damn good villain, he's got sinister down.

The dude can talk about COCONUTS and be sinister as hell.


Minor thread jack* Have you seen 'the master' yet? Go see it, you wanna see sinister? Joaquin Phoenix is simply amazing, you'll forgive him for his dumbass rapping career. Trust.
 
2012-11-14 05:58:14 PM
I don't know how anyone could call this film "good". It makes me very sad.
 
2012-11-14 06:00:06 PM

LeroyBourne: Minor thread jack* Have you seen 'the master' yet? Go see it, you wanna see sinister? Joaquin Phoenix is simply amazing, you'll forgive him for his dumbass rapping career. Trust.


I still haven't seen it (through no fault of my own). I really WANT to see it, though. I'm game for anything Paul Thomas Anderson does.
 
2012-11-14 06:01:37 PM
If Skyfall were a Harry Potter film...it would be "The Half Blood Prince"...
most of the time is wasted chasing down loose ends that don't pay off, we get "revalations" that no one gives a shiat about, somebody dies before it's all over...but really it's just bridging the last film to whatever is coming next...and thats about it.

/mostly disappointed in Sam Mendes ...Road to Perdition is such an amazing film...I expected more from him.
 
2012-11-14 06:02:23 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: ShawnDoc: What about the plot? I've been hearing its ridiculously bad.

Name a Bond movie that didn't have an absolutely terrible plot.

There are a few ridiculous plot devices, but that's the standard MO for a Bond movie. I thought that it retained the spirit of Bond quite well, while still attempting to innovate. My biggest problem with the movie was that I hated Bardem's character. His character was little more than a used-up stock villain from the 80s. However, Bardem played him very well, and it was enough to make me look past the banality of the character and focus on everything that was good, which was a lot.


Yeah, a lot of these. Another friend of mine was complaining about the plot, and I said "As opposed to all the other Bond movies that didn't require a scorecard to keep track of?" Come on--you don't watch Bond movies for the PLOT. (Or if you do, you must be high) Bardem's character wasn't much--but his acting was phenomenal, so who cares? He took a meh character and made it believable.

It was definitely NOT like any other Bond film, I have to say that, so people expecting witty one-liners, a suave & polished 007, and hot chicks with double-entendre names are probably the ones who are most upset. It was, however, the most realistic Bond film ever, and they took time to set up a new ensemble cast, which is nice.
 
2012-11-14 06:04:20 PM
if that movie were any better, it'd have two huge tits and a role on Community.
 
2012-11-14 06:04:39 PM
I just want to see Daniel Craig attempt the hat toss like the earlier Bonds.

JUST ONCE.
 
2012-11-14 06:06:20 PM

Stratohead:
*spoilers*

he worked for M in Hong Kong...went rouge , got caught (by whom? The Chinese? we are never told)


He didn't go rogue before he was caught, he was still an agent and M opted to trade his life for others. Does it matter who caught him? He's not pissed at the people who caught him, he's pissed at the person who sent him there.

he is tortured "for weeks" prior to FINALLY deciding hey...Poison Tooth...he attempts to use it, it doesn't work... so he ends up disfigured in a way that is very conveniently easy to disguise...why? that entire thing was just kind of thrown on there to what end? It's hardly thought out... then no explanation and more than 10 years later he comes back for revenge against M?
If he was captured and being tortured for weeks, THEN attempts a failed suicide that removed bone from his skull... then what happened? how did he escape? Did his captors help him with the Hydrogen Cyanide damage or what? Makes no damn sense.


If he believed that MI6 would attempt to save him, why would he eat the cyanide right away? He waits for weeks under torture before he finally gives in and the cyanide she gave him not only fails to work but tortures him worse and leaves him permanently disfigured. All of this is why he wants he's willing to go to such lengths to get back at M. Makes sense to me. Not sure how he escaped though, I'll give you that.

and of course all that unexplained horses shiat in Shanghai... fly someone in...kill a guard...leave the body where its easily found, use a super expensive specialized machine to cut a hole in glass...use a custom made weapon to shoot a guy looking at a painting... as opposed to just stabbing him with an ice pick, or choking the farker out...no...lets spend tens of thousands of dollars to make the crime THAT much easier to detect and trace... stupid and pointless.

How is sniping someone from another building easier to detect than walking up to someone and stabbing them with an ice pick? Why would the assassin care if someone finds a dead guard after he's already left the area?

This is nit-picky stuff.
 
2012-11-14 06:06:22 PM

Hoboclown: Sure, there's some silly things like that but nothing that I would describe as "ridiculously bad". Spy movies based too much on real life end up like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (which is great but not as much fun as a Bond movie).

There just seems to be a lot of Bond hipsters on Fark lately bemoaning Skyfall as a terrible movie because Bond doesn't order his martini the right way or Q doesn't build a rocket launcher out of a sandwich.


I don't mind my Bond movies being unrealistic, or even outright silly; they just shouldn't be intentionally conflicting. I just didn't like the fact that Q is supposed to be an incredible computer genius, but he handled the laptop situation in a way that was completely out of character for anyone with even an iota of technical knowledge. I know it was necessary to drive the plot, but it was pretty jarring when it happened. It didn't ruin the movie, but it was dumb.

But I don't want to nitpick. On the whole, I thought it was glorious.
 
2012-11-14 06:06:24 PM

Gyrfalcon:
It was, however, the most realistic Bond film ever,



i.qkme.me
 
2012-11-14 06:11:26 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: LeroyBourne: Minor thread jack* Have you seen 'the master' yet? Go see it, you wanna see sinister? Joaquin Phoenix is simply amazing, you'll forgive him for his dumbass rapping career. Trust.

I still haven't seen it (through no fault of my own). I really WANT to see it, though. I'm game for anything Paul Thomas Anderson does.


You'll love it, the Oscar buzz is a total toss up between him and PS Hoffman.
 
2012-11-14 06:11:38 PM

Hoboclown: Stratohead:
How is sniping someone from another building easier to detect than walking up to someone and stabbing them with an ice pick? Why would the assassin care if someone finds a dead guard after he's already left the area?

This is nit-picky stuff....



leaving the guard lying in the lobby like opens up the chance someone could walk in and go "HEY DEAD GUARD! I SHOULD MAYBE CALL THE COPS!" while the assassin is still in the building.

then the whole aspect of the victim being in a room with people in on the plot to kill him... flying in an Assasin with specialized gear to do what they did is expensive and WAY risky...unless the whole point was to see how many ways the bad guys could try as hard as they could to get caught in the act, or leave as much physical evidence behind as possible "Hey...why is this hole in this window with all these powder burns>!" it makes ZERO sense.
 
2012-11-14 06:12:09 PM
Not even close to the best movie ever made. It was entertaining, but a great movie? No, I watched it in IMAX also. It doesn't feel very "Bondy" at all in my opinion. For the game geeks out there, it would be like playing Assassin's Creed and never Assassinating anyone and instead running around with your sword drawn out just killing everything. Where is the subterfuge and spy part? 6/10 movie as far as Blockbusters go. For a movie you just happen to come across at home? 7.5 or 8/10.
 
2012-11-14 06:13:27 PM

LeroyBourne: You'll love it, the Oscar buzz is a total toss up between him and PS Hoffman.


From what I understand, it would probably lean a little heavier toward Hoffman, since Phoenix all but disowned the Academy and called the Oscars horsecrap.
 
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