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2012-11-14 03:59:27 PM

Pichu0102: I'd probably be scared that if I was on a jury, it would be in a criminal trial of some organized crime person who had no problem with killing jury members to prove a point.

/always get an F in luck


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2012-11-14 03:59:30 PM

kevinfra: Hey, here's an idea.

When you get a summons for jury duty, instead of whining and trying to get out of it - think to yourself, "I'm really lucky to live in a country where citizens have the power to determine the guilt and innocence of a suspect - not some goverment bureaucrat."


Sure, but the bureaucrats decide the punishment.
 
2012-11-14 03:59:36 PM

CCCarnie: One lady just said "religious reasons". The judge asked her to elaborate and she said she "didn't want to elaborate any further"... And she was told she could leave.


My father saw a juror candidate who said he couldn't serve because he couldn't judge his fellow man. He was told he could leave.
 
2012-11-14 04:00:45 PM
Hurray for repeats!
 
2012-11-14 04:01:31 PM

Pichu0102: I'd probably be scared that if I was on a jury, it would be in a criminal trial of some organized crime person who had no problem with killing jury members to prove a point.

/always get an F in luck


But so far, you've never been called to be a juror in an organized crime trial. Maybe you get an A in luck.
 
BHK
2012-11-14 04:03:19 PM

Aarontology: People who try to get out of jury duty are like people who don't vote.

They deserve no right to complain about anything the government does.


It's just the opposite. You vote, so you have no right to complain when the voters decide something you don't like. Those who don't participate have every right to complain about your attempt to force your morals on them.
 
Ant
2012-11-14 04:06:35 PM
So what kind of questions do the prosecution and defense ask to see if they want to give you the boot?
 
2012-11-14 04:10:31 PM
Been on a couple of juries. The last time I was called I took my prescription bottle of hydrocodone. Told them I had migraines (which is true). Also told them I would gladly serve. However, if while serving I started to see the aura stuff, I would need to take a couple of the pills asap and be in a darkened room for 6 to 8 hours.

Asked to step down.
 
2012-11-14 04:11:04 PM

plausdeny: So, no, nullification is not a violation of the juror's oath. It is a legitimate application of the historical purpose of the jury system, the entire reason why it was enshrined in Constitution as a right of the accused. If the oath demanded by the court is not consistent with this purpose, the oath itself is illegitimate and void.


Talk to a lawyer: the application of the law is not nullification. It refers to whether the law correctly applies in this case. That statute in no way reads as authorizing nullification.

/Not barred in that state, so not providing legal advice, etc. there.
 
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2012-11-14 04:16:50 PM

Tricky Chicken: I got booted (by the defense) right away. Many engineers I know had similar experiences. I think defense lawyers have something against engineers.


I think this might be the case. One time I got called, they asked what I did (IT, software enigneer) and I was immediately let go. Another time one of their questions was about "hacking into email" by guessing a password. I replied that I didn't really consider that a hack, and they asked for my definition. I was let go after they found out (as part of the follow up) that I had been doing network security a few years prior. 

The third time I got called they just came into the big waiting room around 1:00pm and told everyone they could leave. I think I went to the movies that afternoon.
 
2012-11-14 04:17:10 PM

Aarontology: the ha ha guy: So if someone can't afford to live on $5/day while on jury duty, they shouldn't have the right to complain?

Check your state's laws. Odds are your company has to pay you full wages for some of the time, and the state picks up a decent portion for the rest. Also, many states have laws that exempt anyone who would face financial hardship from serving on a jury

But let's not pretend that the people who try to get out of it are doing it for financial reasons. They're doing it because they're lazy, ignorant citizens.

pute kisses like a man: although, it may be the case that people who don't vote will never be called in for jury duty...

My state gets their potential jury pool from the DMV and tax records.


This times eleventy. If you genuinely have financial hardship, tell the clerk that when you get there and have proof of same. They'll probably let you go right away.

That said, last time I went, I was studying for the MPREs (lawyer's Professional Responsibility exam) and had my study guide with me. Both attorneys looked at me when I went in for voir dire and I could see them thinking "CAUSE!"
 
2012-11-14 04:19:46 PM
Just tell the judge you're hard of hearing.
Then keep saying "Huh?... What???" to anything he says after that.
 
2012-11-14 04:28:36 PM
DeathByGeekSquad:
Actually, I reserve the right to complain because I chose not to endorse the lesser of two evils. There is a difference between being too lazy to vote, and having an actual reason to not vote. I do not trust either candidate, I am not willing to become an additional tally that they feel endorses their entire platform.


Then go to the polls, vote on the direct ballot measures (if any), and leave the choice for president blank.

Leave the whole thing blank if you want.

If you make the effort to go to the polls and cast a blank ballot, you can complain. If you stay home, you can't.
 
2012-11-14 04:29:29 PM
The woman who showed up for duty at the goddamn OJ Simpson trial in full Starfleet dress uniform is my hero. She didn't act like a nut, she didn't try to draw undue attention to herself, she just acted calm and polite and rational. In full. Starfleet. Dress. Uniform.

Not service fatigues, mind you. This was a special occasion, and she knew the protocol.

Dismissed.
 
2012-11-14 04:32:45 PM

midigod: thisisarepeat: DeathByGeekSquad: Actually, I reserve the right to complain because I chose not to endorse the lesser of two evils. There is a difference between being too lazy to vote, and having an actual reason to not vote. I do not trust either candidate, I am not willing to become an additional tally that they feel endorses their entire platform.

The jury reaper hasn't come knocking, but I'm actually quite curious about the process and have heard conflicting stories from various people who've been called.

Thisity farking this this.

In most states, there are six or more candidates. Perhaps that isn't the case in your two states. But I doubt it.


Fark Rye For Many Whores: thisisarepeat: ...

Speaking of you, is this a repeat? Or do we just have a lot of people trying and failing at the brain sweepstakes this way.


Yeah, because voting for a candidate that isnt either the Republican or Democrat candidate isnt completely farking futile. Before you make the retarded "it would send a message" argument, I'll point out that by that logic, low voter turnout would send an equally profound message and requires less effort and gas $. Since there was not a single candidate worth ANY of either (Pres or otherwise) i reserved all of my "give a shiat" for something that may actually make a tiny bit of difference in my life because whether i'm a slave to government or a slave to business makes no difference at all. But by all means, keep kicking that dead horse and believe with all your little heart that this country isnt irreparably farked and deservedly so. Good day.
 
2012-11-14 04:37:48 PM
TAKE JURY DUTY.wmv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k4fYIUuAP8
 
2012-11-14 04:41:35 PM
I've been called for jury duty more times than anyone I've ever met. I live in Jersey after all.

I've only actually been in a courtroom once. ONCE. And I was immediately dismissed by the defense attorney. I dunno why... Maybe I'm ugly. Maybe it's because I was pumping gas for a living at the time.

Every other time I had to go in, I sat in a room with a gazzillion other people and did crossword puzzles until they said we could go home.

The last time I was called, I postponed it 3 times. When it reached a point that I could postpone it no longer, I finally said, "Fine, I'll do it." They gave me a pool number so high that it never got called. So I was able to fulfill my jury duty duty without even having to go to the courthouse. That was the best jury duty ever!!
 
2012-11-14 04:56:48 PM
I get called, waste my time
then get dropped
No lawyer will ever want me on a jury

the rest of you are farked
paid almost nothing,
questioned by lawyers
maybe forced to stay for weeks
good luck if you are self employed.

jury duty is like voting,
a warm body to be convinced of a point of view
for people who could not give a shiat about you beyond what you can do for them
 
2012-11-14 04:59:23 PM

downstairs: Was in voir dire for a civil trial.  Some personal injury stuff.  Got asked what I do, and told the truth: I'm in IT and I also write Op-Ed pieces for some fairly large newspapers.  A recent one on tort reform.


Got links to any of the op-ed pieces?
 
2012-11-14 05:13:36 PM

Cybernetic: downstairs: Was in voir dire for a civil trial.  Some personal injury stuff.  Got asked what I do, and told the truth: I'm in IT and I also write Op-Ed pieces for some fairly large newspapers.  A recent one on tort reform.

Got links to any of the op-ed pieces?


Not anymore.  I have them scanned in a portfolio PDF, but its not online.  Nor is the site.  I quit writing around maybe 2006 or so.  I got so sick of the pathetic, uninformed responses I'd get.  Regardless if someone agreed or disagreed with me.  That, of course, I had no problem with.  Also, this was around the time where things really had ramped up in terms of opinion pieces expected to be derpy from either the right or left.
 
People wanted Dick Morris, etc.  I was the opposite of that.  I do think I could have continued to be published on a regular basis regardless.  Even today.  But its hard to have your heart into it when well-reasoned articles get either a "meh" response (because they're well reasoned), or if I lean slightly left or right, I'm attacked as if my piece were derp.  I'm thick-skinned, but it kinda takes your heart out of it.
 
2012-11-14 05:20:39 PM
When I got called I hated it because I worked nights so court was going on during my sleepy time. It was a car accident that some schmuck claimed that it caused his stomach to explode 3 years after the fact and he wanted the person that caused the accident to pay for it, eventhough she paid for the initial accident and medical stuff 3 years prior. Funy thing was the plantiffs lawyer was going on about the guy having no insurance and both his parents were doctors! WTF! He had a video of some doctor explaining what happend. The video was of very poor quality and I could barley understand it due to that and the doctor in it could hardly speak english.
 
2012-11-14 05:46:40 PM
Maybe next time, she can be excused by claiming she's developmentally disabled. She has a pretty good case for that now.
 
2012-11-14 05:49:04 PM

Slaves2Darkness: the ha ha guy: Aarontology: People who try to get out of jury duty are like people who don't vote.

They deserve no right to complain about anything the government does.

So if someone can't afford to live on $5/day while on jury duty, they shouldn't have the right to complain?

You have one duty as a citizen of the United States and that is to sit in judgement of a fellow citizen. Jury duty is literally a group of fellow citizens acting as the sovereign of the United States. I'm all ways amazed at the people who whine about a jury ruling, but do everything they can to get out of jury duty.


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Yes, I've served on a jury. I didn't want to, but I was called and honored my obligation.
 
2012-11-14 05:50:33 PM

ga362: Been on a couple of juries. The last time I was called I took my prescription bottle of hydrocodone. Told them I had migraines (which is true). Also told them I would gladly serve. However, if while serving I started to see the aura stuff, I would need to take a couple of the pills asap and be in a darkened room for 6 to 8 hours.

Asked to step down.


OT and having nothing to do with jury duty, but just so you know, I have personal experience and empathy. If the kaleidoscope vision shows up (fun while driving) I've got ten to fifteen minutes to get someplace dark, quiet, and cool where I will be undisturbed for the next 8 hours. Fortunately mine are rare (so no scrip) but when they do happen, life stops. I find that people who don't get them don't understand how nonfunctional you are during one, and that sucking it up is not an option.

/threadjack off
 
2012-11-14 05:53:34 PM
Last time I was summoned (a few months ago, Dallas County), we sat around waiting for a few hours, then the jury services guy comes in and tells us nobody needs jurors that day. Everybody dismissed. We don't have to come back (if you don't get selected the first day, that's it, you're done until the next time you get a summons in the mail). We all looked at each other kinda like we'd won a lottery, then got the hell out. It was pretty awesome.

I wouldn't mind serving on a jury, I just never have.

It's jury duty. It's sitting there and listening to people talk. It's not hard labor, and you are getting paid for it. Just suck it up and do your civic duty. You've wasted much more time on truly worthless shiat than you'll ever "waste" on jury duty.
 
2012-11-14 06:00:16 PM
Last time I got called for jury duty the first words we heard were "Thank you all for coming in to day, we really appreciate it"

I wonder how many people besides myself thought "...You really appreciate not having to send somebody to get us for not showing up?"
 
2012-11-14 06:02:38 PM
People who compare jury duty to slavery are just ignorant. It's not like you're forced to perform a job, or those who refuse are punished.
 
2012-11-14 06:06:42 PM

furiousidiot: People who compare jury duty to slavery are just ignorant. It's not like you're forced to perform a job, or those who refuse are punished.


Your handle fits you well.
 
2012-11-14 06:07:50 PM
The first few times I've been called I worked for a company that was too small for me to miss more than a morning explaining it to the court.

Finally I got called last year and was happy to take a day or two off work to be on a jury. Of course they ended up pulling my name for Grand Jury and I couldn't afford to take a month off. The judge was really nice about dismissing me at least.
 
2012-11-14 07:11:01 PM
I think everyone getting unemployment should be first to serve on jury duty. Aside from the obvious benefits, it would give those looking for jobs a sense of being needed. It's tough out there. Anyone see a downside?

And, once I lied to my job about being chosen. I'm not proud, but I really wanted a couple days off. I went in first thing in the morning, and was pretty much immediately dismissed. But, hey, it was a nice day and there's a certain wonder to being able to do things outside the office M-F between the hours of 9-5. It's a whole other world! Of course, I call my boss shortly after 5:00 (from home) and bemoan the fact I sat in a room all day, only to be told to come back the next day. That day, I slept in, went shopping, saw a matinee. Basically, I had a couple mental health days. And, since I don't have kids and I don't smoke, I chalked it up to "person reclaims equal time off work just because".

I also made sure I remembered to double the amount of the jury duty check when I was talking to co-workers about what a pain jury duty was...

I'd like to serve on a jury now. I have the time...
 
2012-11-14 07:45:45 PM
Jury duty is a vital service that lets you see exactly how stupid and gullible your fellow citizens are, and realize that you have to participate or there will be no check whatsoever on these idiots.
 
2012-11-14 08:13:15 PM
Or you could just not show up. That's what I do.

/haven't been arrested yet.
 
2012-11-14 08:18:21 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: thisisarepeat: ...

Speaking of you, is this a repeat? Or do we just have a lot of people trying and failing at the brain sweepstakes this way.


From the looks of the headline it would seem that subby missed the story in March.

The first thread - Mar 21, 2012
 
2012-11-14 08:49:17 PM
Was on a jury recently, thanks to all the assholes with stupid excuses, I was Juror 1, the foreman. I felt bad for Juror 13, she was the back-up and kept in a tiny room without A/C while we decided guilty or not....in all our minds we knew the man drunk....the police officer did not have video etc. The Police had no evidence. It sucked to have to stand up and say "Not Guilty" .....the drunk's lawyer did a great job, I hope someday the drunk runs over the lawyer.
 
2012-11-14 08:57:37 PM

davidphogan: The first few times I've been called I worked for a company that was too small for me to miss more than a morning explaining it to the court.

Finally I got called last year and was happy to take a day or two off work to be on a jury. Of course they ended up pulling my name for Grand Jury and I couldn't afford to take a month off. The judge was really nice about dismissing me at least.


I co-own a business, no one is so important they can't be missed for a day. I am sure you call in sick and use vacation days.
 
2012-11-14 09:06:23 PM
One hand: Any twelve people who can't find a way out of jury duty are not my peers.
Other hand: It's a duty and privilege of citizenship, and if you don't stand when called, you deserve scorn.
 
2012-11-14 09:22:39 PM

GoldDude: Just tell the judge you're hard of hearing.
Then keep saying "Huh?... What???" to anything he says after that.


Awesome story a guy at my office was trying to get out of jury duty and he asked the most morally questionable person in the office who offered such advice as:
1." Speak only in Spanish"
2. "Tell the judge you have a baby and the baby has a cold (side note my co-worker doesn't have kids and when he said that he was told "No one will check on that.)
3. "Wear a head wrap" (he meant a turban)

And my personal favorite "Just say you're reeeeal cool with a cop." what does that even mean?!
 
2012-11-14 09:31:56 PM

get real: davidphogan: The first few times I've been called I worked for a company that was too small for me to miss more than a morning explaining it to the court.

Finally I got called last year and was happy to take a day or two off work to be on a jury. Of course they ended up pulling my name for Grand Jury and I couldn't afford to take a month off. The judge was really nice about dismissing me at least.

I co-own a business, no one is so important they can't be missed for a day. I am sure you call in sick and use vacation days.


At that job even if I took a day off (I averaged two per year) I had to at least be able to answer my phones. Since I couldn't interrupt a trial to answer my phone, and if I didn't answer my phone it could cost us a significant portion of our daily revenue, it wasn't possible for me to take time off for jury duty with that job.

Also it wasn't guaranteed to just be a day. If I were chosen I had to be available until the trial was done. The court's instruction was to leave since they couldn't guarantee a trial (if I were chosen) would only take a day, and anything more could have significantly killed the business.

But I'm glad your personal experience applies to every business. Thanks for letting me know about all the time off I never knew I should have used.
 
2012-11-14 10:00:32 PM

davidphogan: get real: davidphogan: The first few times I've been called I worked for a company that was too small for me to miss more than a morning explaining it to the court.

Finally I got called last year and was happy to take a day or two off work to be on a jury. Of course they ended up pulling my name for Grand Jury and I couldn't afford to take a month off. The judge was really nice about dismissing me at least.

I co-own a business, no one is so important they can't be missed for a day. I am sure you call in sick and use vacation days.

At that job even if I took a day off (I averaged two per year) I had to at least be able to answer my phones. Since I couldn't interrupt a trial to answer my phone, and if I didn't answer my phone it could cost us a significant portion of our daily revenue, it wasn't possible for me to take time off for jury duty with that job.

Also it wasn't guaranteed to just be a day. If I were chosen I had to be available until the trial was done. The court's instruction was to leave since they couldn't guarantee a trial (if I were chosen) would only take a day, and anything more could have significantly killed the business.

But I'm glad your personal experience applies to every business. Thanks for letting me know about all the time off I never knew I should have used.


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I'm sure he'll come back with a dozen reasons why you're wrong and you actually could have taken the time off, or that if you COULDN'T you're a bad businessman and the business you were in was clearly destined to fail. Then some bullcrap about personal responsibility.

And now that I've said that, some comment about how it's cute I know how to repeat things I heard on TV, while conspicuously not mentioning that he was actually going to say all of those things.
 
2012-11-14 10:09:57 PM
Granted I get compensated for it from work but I really don't mind it. I bring a coffee and a book. They give you an hour for lunch. Last time I hit up the UNO's across the street for brunch and a couple bloody mary's and I was home by 4.
 
2012-11-15 12:33:43 AM
I got called, what? 8 years ago? Anyway, there were about a hundred in the pool. Turns out it was a first degree murder trial for a local idiot that tortured his infant son to death over a 3 or 4 week period. Burns, broken bones, just pure evil committed on a 10 week old baby. I admitted to reading every bit of news on the case (it was true; happened a half mile from where I was living at the time) and was dismissed.

I think being on a jury would be interesting, but not that one. The prosecutor (the infamous Mary Keenan Lacy of the Jonbenet Ramsey case) wanted first degree murder. She got a second degree conviction, and a 60 year sentence. I'd have been that a-hole on the jury holding out for first; life/no parole. The 17 year old mother served three years. She had an IQ of 80 or so, I believe. She was likely abused also, so I really save my thirst for revenge for that waste of air.

RIP, Tanner Dowler.

/nscsb
 
2012-11-15 12:43:24 AM

Aarontology: People who try to get out of jury duty are like people who don't vote.

They deserve no right to complain about anything the government does.


The ones with no right to complain are those who consent and approve of the system, not those that object and refuse to participate.
 
2012-11-15 12:46:19 AM

Tricky Chicken: be an engineer

I got booted (by the defense) right away. Many engineers I know had similar experiences. I think defense lawyers have something against engineers.


It's called rational thought, problem solving, and root cause analysis.
 
2012-11-15 02:13:42 AM

downstairs: Don't lie, file for a hardship.  There's a system in place to handle these things.  I have no problem with someone trying to get out of jury duty if it honestly would cause them harm.  Just do it the right way.


I tried. But as it says in the link I posted above, it's almost impossible to actually qualify.

When I applied for a financial hardship, I literally did not have enough money to pay for more than one meal a day, let alone pay for basic utilities. My application was denied, and the judge yelled at me when I brought it up.

Slaves2Darkness: You have one duty as a citizen of the United States and that is to sit in judgement of a fellow citizen. Jury duty is literally a group of fellow citizens acting as the sovereign of the United States. I'm all ways amazed at the people who whine about a jury ruling, but do everything they can to get out of jury duty.


I agree completely.

Unfortunately, the bill collectors do not.

When I was called, my choice was literally between serving on the jury for a week, or paying my rent and keeping my house. I spent the next few months living on a friends couch...

Do we ask those in the military (drafted or otherwise) to lose everything they own while serving their country? No, they're given reasonable accommodations and legal protections to support themselves while they're serving. Why should jury duty be any different? Why should virtually every adult citizen be asked to participate in the "lose everything you own unless you're rich" lottery?

Did I whine about jury duty? Did I try every legal avenue available to get out of it? Absolutely. But I served anyway. I Gave my country exactly what it wanted. And what did I get in return? Evicted from my house, fired from my job (yes, I know it's illegal, but I didn't exactly have the money to pay a lawyer to fight it), and $25.

Next time I get called, I think I'll just ignore the summons. Sure, I'll go to jail, but at least I'll have a roof over my head and a few meals a day, which is far more than I ever got in return for doing my civic duty.
 
2012-11-15 09:48:00 AM
I agree with "the ha ha guy".

I've served on a jury and would do it again - BUT I don't like how citizens are forced into it. You're not forced to vote like you are in Australia, and thats a GREAT thing. Forced service leads to undesirable outcomes.

And it is also ridiculous that one of the ways to get kicked off a jury is to know too much. They want the dumbest of the dumb to serve - as if that affects partiality. One of the easiest ways to get out of jury duty is proclaiming your knowledge to your right of jury nullification.
 
2012-11-15 10:00:00 AM

the ha ha guy: downstairs: Don't lie, file for a hardship.  There's a system in place to handle these things.  I have no problem with someone trying to get out of jury duty if it honestly would cause them harm.  Just do it the right way.

I tried. But as it says in the link I posted above, it's almost impossible to actually qualify.

When I applied for a financial hardship, I literally did not have enough money to pay for more than one meal a day, let alone pay for basic utilities. My application was denied, and the judge yelled at me when I brought it up.

Slaves2Darkness: You have one duty as a citizen of the United States and that is to sit in judgement of a fellow citizen. Jury duty is literally a group of fellow citizens acting as the sovereign of the United States. I'm all ways amazed at the people who whine about a jury ruling, but do everything they can to get out of jury duty.

I agree completely.

Unfortunately, the bill collectors do not.

When I was called, my choice was literally between serving on the jury for a week, or paying my rent and keeping my house. I spent the next few months living on a friends couch...

Do we ask those in the military (drafted or otherwise) to lose everything they own while serving their country? No, they're given reasonable accommodations and legal protections to support themselves while they're serving. Why should jury duty be any different? Why should virtually every adult citizen be asked to participate in the "lose everything you own unless you're rich" lottery?

Did I whine about jury duty? Did I try every legal avenue available to get out of it? Absolutely. But I served anyway. I Gave my country exactly what it wanted. And what did I get in return? Evicted from my house, fired from my job (yes, I know it's illegal, but I didn't exactly have the money to pay a lawyer to fight it), and $25.

Next time I get called, I think I'll just ignore the summons. Sure, I'll go to jail, but at least I'll have a roof over my head and a few meals a ...


Not sure if serious.

Couldn't afford an attorney? You do know there is this thing called "contingency", where the lawyer takes a portion of your winnings, but gets nothing if you lose, right? You know how many lawyers would be salivating at the chance to take on an employer for a labor law violation like firing somebody over jury duty? You think a company wouldn't want to settle that (free hint, jury trial and a very unsympathetic jury).

Also, evicted from your house for missing one week of work? Not only did you not have even a few days of sick leave/vacation time to use, and didn't have enough money to cover it, and couldn't get a loan for the amount or sell some personal possessios, and a bazillion other things that would have to go wrong.

When I read on Fark about people who get months and months behind on mortgages before eviction, one missed (or late) payment is a little extreme.

If you were so financially fragile that missing a week of work caused your entire life to crumble, it wasn't the jury duty, it could have just as easily been a really bad case of the flu that left you bedridden for several days , or a bad car breakdown leaving you without a ride to work for a week while it was fixed, or a car accident that put you in the hospital for a while, or any one of a zillion other things.

However, not talking to an attorney about suing the pants off of whoever fired you for going to jury duty was dumb. Even after the lawyer took his cut, you'd still probably be just fine.
 
2012-11-15 11:03:30 AM

Silverstaff: Also, evicted from your house for missing one week of work? Not only did you not have even a few days of sick leave/vacation time to use, and didn't have enough money to cover it, and couldn't get a loan for the amount or sell some personal possessios, and a bazillion other things that would have to go wrong.


For those of us living paycheck to paycheck a weeks worth of work would be a lot of lost money by itself and if he was fired for missing just a week then I'm willing to bet he worked a job that didn't have any benefits.

/Although I would've taken the employer to court if I had informed them of the jury duty and they fired me solely on this.
 
2012-11-15 11:12:54 AM

leadmetal: Tricky Chicken: be an engineer

I got booted (by the defense) right away. Many engineers I know had similar experiences. I think defense lawyers have something against engineers.

It's called rational thought, problem solving, and root cause analysis.


This, but I'd add prosecutors to the "defense lawyers" side of that equation also. Neither side wants someone who will think for themselves.
 
2012-11-15 01:22:56 PM

Silverstaff: Couldn't afford an attorney? You do know there is this thing called "contingency", where the lawyer takes a portion of your winnings, but gets nothing if you lose, right? You know how many lawyers would be salivating at the chance to take on an employer for a labor law violation like firing somebody over jury duty? You think a company wouldn't want to settle that (free hint, jury trial and a very unsympathetic jury).

Also, evicted from your house for missing one week of work? Not only did you not have even a few days of sick leave/vacation time to use, and didn't have enough money to cover it, and couldn't get a loan for the amount or sell some personal possessios, and a bazillion other things that would have to go wrong.


Officially, I was fired for "having a dirty uniform". Between the comments my boss made before going to jury duty and the timing of the firing (a few days after returning to work), it was obvious that the jury duty was the real reason, but there was no way to easily prove that in court. Of all the lawyers I spoke to, only one was willing to take the case at all, and he wanted $500 upfront just to send a letter asking for my job back.

As I said, I didn't even have money to pay for utilities or food. My paycheck didn't even cover all of my rent, which put me around three months behind at the time I was called in for jury duty. Had I not been fired I would have been closer to four months behind with the ~25% loss in income that month.

As for selling something or getting a loan, I had already exhausted those options months before. My only belongings were, literally, a blanket on the floor of the shack, two sets of clothes, and the one grocery bag of food I got for the month from the food bank.

My transportation was a coworker who lived in my area, my heat was a wood stove, and I had to go to my neighbor to take a shower or use a phone. And if I had good enough credit for a loan, I would have been able to find something better to rent than $800/mo for a one room shack that didn't even have interior walls or plumbing.

Also, what are these "vacation" and "sick days" you speak of? As I'm sure you're aware, there is no legal obligation to provide paid vacation or sick days, and it's actually quite rare to get any form of paid time off in a non-union blue-collar job.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems to me that you simply can't comprehend what real poverty is like, or the fact that not every boss is a paragon of virtue who hands out paid time off to anyone who uses the word "please".
 
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