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(Boston.com)   "Why did your pharmacy kill 32 people?" "I'd love to explain, but my lawyer says I shouldn't"   (boston.com) divider line 29
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2012-11-14 02:08:17 PM
6 votes:
And this, my friends, is why corporate personhood is bullshiat.

If I killed 32 people, via negligence (or perhaps *willful negligence*), I would

A) Be facing a shiat-ton of manslaughter charges AT THE VERY LEAST, or perhaps even negligent homicide, or even murder.

B) I would not be able to use the defense of "Oh, honestly, your honor, my brain didn't know what my hand was doing. My hand acted independently of the wishes of myself and I bear no responsibility for its actions. (Because, I would think, the CEO of a company is analogous to the brain/mind. Otherwise, WTF are they paid for?)
2012-11-14 02:52:53 PM
2 votes:
And I think he should plead the Fifth in front of Congress. Of course, I do not think that this issue should be before a Congressional hearing. If there is any evidence of wrongdoing on his part then he needs to be standing before a judge, not a politician.
2012-11-14 02:43:47 PM
2 votes:

benzene: buckler: BronyMedic: Jument: That's pretty scary. Can someone please explain how they ended up making drugs somehow tainted with "fungal meningitis"?

Poor sterile practice.

Does that stuff just drop from the air, or what?

Fungus? Yes, that stuff is pretty common in the air of a non sterile environment. "Meningitis" describes the inflammation it causes (of the outer covering of the brain/spinal cord), not a quality of the fungus.


I understood that; I just meant the fungal contaminant. Sounds like really, really bad procedure. Hell, I'd bet my homebrewing rig was more sterile.
2012-11-14 02:22:12 PM
2 votes:

Jument: That's pretty scary. Can someone please explain how they ended up making drugs somehow tainted with "fungal meningitis"?


I'm sure Obama's "job killing regulations" are behind all this. You know, those regulations Romney vowed to repeal so "job creators" could get busy making jobs? It was probably one of those that put that fungus in the drugs.

/that, or the cost cutting, penny pinching attitude that most corporations have when there isn't a regulation making them do something
2012-11-14 02:02:57 PM
2 votes:
Sounds like a good lawyer.
2012-11-14 05:31:17 PM
1 votes:

Bendal: I'm sure Obama's "job killing regulations" are behind all this. You know, those regulations Romney vowed to repeal so "job creators" could get busy making jobs? It was probably one of those that put that fungus in the drugs.

/that, or the cost cutting, penny pinching attitude that most corporations have when there isn't a regulation making them do something


"Big questions have been raised about oversight from both state and federal regulators who repeatedly found problems at the pharmacy but did little about them."

Clearly we need new regulators to regulate the regulators and ensure that they regulate what they are supposed to be regulating. As an extra safety step, we should also add regulator regulator regulators, whose job would be to regulate the regulator regulators.

/derp
2012-11-14 04:34:51 PM
1 votes:

The Larch: UsikFark: You know that garbage stink you smell at a bottle return (if your state does that)? That same junk and worse came into the facility through the air, people's clothes, etc. This was a family business that shared employees with the other family business, garbage recycling.

Please, please, please tell me that you are joking. Tell me that this is not true, and tell me in a way that I can believe you, so that I can sleep tonight.


Also, here is another picture:

c.o0bg.com 

HERE is an elaboration on my "family business" point, so you know I'm not full of shiat.
2012-11-14 02:56:44 PM
1 votes:

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Big questions have been raised about oversight from both state and federal regulators who repeatedly found problems at the pharmacy but did little about them.

More proof that regulation doesn't work and we should just get rid of it.


Oh, it "works". It lets managers continue to operate and say "Don't blame me, they told me it was okay."
2012-11-14 02:49:14 PM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Jument: buckler: BronyMedic: Jument: That's pretty scary. Can someone please explain how they ended up making drugs somehow tainted with "fungal meningitis"?

Poor sterile practice.

Does that stuff just drop from the air, or what?

That's what I'm wondering. I understand that they were probably sloppy with contamination but how the fark did they end up with farking fungal meningitis in there?!?

They had fungus in there. Meningitis is an inflammatory disease; in this case, it was caused by fungus. Link


Thanks all. I get it now. Obviously IANAB.
2012-11-14 02:47:23 PM
1 votes:

buckler: Does that stuff just drop from the air, or what?


Technically, yes. That's exactly what it does. Aspergillus spores are pretty much everywhere you find air. The stuff is even on the international space station. Heck, there's a greater-than-zero chance we've (inadvertently) sent some up to grow own mars.
2012-11-14 02:46:56 PM
1 votes:

fireclown: Sounds like a good lawyer.


Yep. You have nothing to gain by talking to the cops.
2012-11-14 02:46:38 PM
1 votes:

wingnut396: Why did your pharmacy kill 32 people?

The quarterly projections didn't provide the anticipated revenue to comply with the burdensome sterilization regulations and meet contractually required executive retention payments during the same expenditure cycle.


Sadly, that's probably what it comes down to.
2012-11-14 02:45:43 PM
1 votes:

buckler: BronyMedic: Jument: That's pretty scary. Can someone please explain how they ended up making drugs somehow tainted with "fungal meningitis"?

Poor sterile practice.

Does that stuff just drop from the air, or what?


Basically, yeah. There's fungal spores pretty much fugging *everywhere*, but, well, normally you're not injecting them into your blood stream/spine with a needle, nor are you giving them a pretty damn nutrient rich environment before doing so, so it's kind of less of a problem.

The meningitis is just what it causes (sort of like how there's bacterial meningitis and viral meningitis.) Think of it like, hrm. A bad cough-it can be caused by a virus, or bacteria, or fungal infection.
/A bad cough IN YOUR BRAIN.
//Not a doctor.
2012-11-14 02:45:28 PM
1 votes:
Why did your pharmacy kill 32 people?

The quarterly projections didn't provide the anticipated revenue to comply with the burdensome sterilization regulations and meet contractually required executive retention payments during the same expenditure cycle.
2012-11-14 02:42:37 PM
1 votes:

buckler: BronyMedic: Jument: That's pretty scary. Can someone please explain how they ended up making drugs somehow tainted with "fungal meningitis"?

Poor sterile practice.

Does that stuff just drop from the air, or what?


Well, fungal meningitis is a just general term that just means a fungal infection that causes meningitis (swelling and irritation of protective tissue in the brain and spinal cord.) In this case it was aspergillis, cladosproium, and rostratum which are all very common and you're probably breathing them in right now.
2012-11-14 02:41:08 PM
1 votes:

buckler: BronyMedic: Jument: That's pretty scary. Can someone please explain how they ended up making drugs somehow tainted with "fungal meningitis"?

Poor sterile practice.

Does that stuff just drop from the air, or what?


Fungus? Yes, that stuff is pretty common in the air of a non sterile environment. "Meningitis" describes the inflammation it causes (of the outer covering of the brain/spinal cord), not a quality of the fungus.
2012-11-14 02:40:14 PM
1 votes:

Felgraf


Actually I was trying to make a Discworld reference and just continuing with sillyness.


Ah, sorry. I've heard of Pratchett but haven't read any of his work.
2012-11-14 02:36:53 PM
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: SnyderCat: They haven't discovered the joys of lots of pot and vodka mixed with Red Bull.

what joy? that sounds pretty ghay



don't knock it til you try it. There is more to life than jack and coke. Personally, I'm tired of both.
2012-11-14 02:36:43 PM
1 votes:
FTA: "He has done so in the hope that his efforts may minimize any further potential risk to the public health."

And minimize the emphasis on the fact his irresponsible disregard to proper sterilization has lead to at least 32 deaths.
2012-11-14 02:30:29 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Jument: That's pretty scary. Can someone please explain how they ended up making drugs somehow tainted with "fungal meningitis"?

Poor sterile practice.


Does that stuff just drop from the air, or what?
2012-11-14 02:26:06 PM
1 votes:

Jument: That's pretty scary. Can someone please explain how they ended up making drugs somehow tainted with "fungal meningitis"?


Poor sterile practice.
2012-11-14 02:25:43 PM
1 votes:
And given that the factory is in Framingham people should be thankful that the drugs were only tainted with fungal meningitis. I'm surprised they didn't find meth, cockroaches and drunk driving illegal immigrants in there, too.

/What, we're on the air?
//I don't believe you
2012-11-14 02:23:17 PM
1 votes:

Englebert Slaptyback: Actually it was just a stupid Latin pun: kill, death, mort (as in mortality).

The Family Guy connection was secondary but not unappreciated and holy crap I'm a nerd.

PS Zenglebert Bambledack


Actually I was trying to make a Discworld reference and just continuing with sillyness.
/Anglebert Humperdink.
2012-11-14 02:20:54 PM
1 votes:
Big questions have been raised about oversight from both state and federal regulators who repeatedly found problems at the pharmacy but did little about them.

More proof that regulation doesn't work and we should just get rid of it.
2012-11-14 02:20:24 PM
1 votes:

Felgraf: And this, my friends, is why corporate personhood is bullshiat.

If I killed 32 people, via negligence (or perhaps *willful negligence*), I would

A) Be facing a shiat-ton of manslaughter charges AT THE VERY LEAST, or perhaps even negligent homicide, or even murder.

B) I would not be able to use the defense of "Oh, honestly, your honor, my brain didn't know what my hand was doing. My hand acted independently of the wishes of myself and I bear no responsibility for its actions. (Because, I would think, the CEO of a company is analogous to the brain/mind. Otherwise, WTF are they paid for?)


You'd probably also be in an actual court, with judges and lawyers and bailiffs and such. Unless you really want your fate to be judged by an arbitrary panel of politicians, of course.
2012-11-14 02:11:16 PM
1 votes:

Englebert Slaptyback: "Why did your pharmacy kill 32 people?"


I guess the pharmacy owner's name is...

*sunglasses*

Mort.


YEEEAAAAHHHH!!!


I'm pretty sure Mort was too busy being death's apprentice to do something this foolish, Mr. Slut Bunwalla!
/Ringlebert fischybuns.
//Jerry Dorsey.
2012-11-14 02:09:13 PM
1 votes:

Evil Mackerel: Since You were never born there was no one to stop Mr Gower.


Came here for this. What a pharmacist who needs to invoke the 5th might look like...
2012-11-14 02:09:10 PM
1 votes:
Ill take poor sterile practice and product control for 300 Alex.
2012-11-14 02:04:26 PM
1 votes:
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

REPEAL THE 5TH AMENDMENT!

I'M GOING TO START A PETITION!
 
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