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2012-11-14 01:31:47 PM  

CygnusDarius: Mazzic518: If you say his name three times out loud he shoes up with bagels and a ham

Ham is not kosher. Maybe bagels and lox.


I said ham for a reason...


/works in a meat dept
//knows Kosher and Halal
///


www.fbastard.com
 
2012-11-14 01:33:17 PM  
l2.yimg.com

That's way too much water pressure on that hose. Just look at what you've done to that car!
 
2012-11-14 01:33:47 PM  
#YOLO needs to appear in this feed.
 
2012-11-14 01:35:40 PM  

Hobodeluxe: [l2.yimg.com image 850x563]

That's way too much water pressure on that hose. Just look at what you've done to that car!


Omar's Quick-Car wash was a disaster after his first attempt.
 
2012-11-14 01:35:48 PM  

Amos Quito: Dr Dreidel: The fact that this comes after many, many rockets were fired into Israel is surely a surprise to us all.


The fact that the Pallies are fed up after 60 years of brutal vicious occupation by the interloping Zionists is surely a surprise to us all.


Not biting. Sorry.
 
2012-11-14 01:36:24 PM  

Hobodeluxe: [l2.yimg.com image 850x563]

That's way too much water pressure on that hose. Just look at what you've done to that car!


Hassan, you idiot! You took the clearcoat right off!
 
2012-11-14 01:37:21 PM  

chitlenz: The question comes down to why everyone hates each other (in this case, it seems to all be about the "declaration" of a Palestinian state, so the whole thing is about ideals). There's almost always a middle road, it's just that in this case everyone always wants to take extreme points of view on both sides. It's a gross generalization to say that all Arabs want all Israelis dead, as there have been and continue to be diplomats on both sides. Israel could at least try to negotiate, but they instead seem to always want to up the ante militarily every time something happens as a response. It's like American politics, but with guns. The funny thing about it is that in most cases like this the answer is obvious, but since neither side wants to lose face and admit it they just keep ratcheting up the pressure instead.


The Palestinian Authority makes no attempt to educate its people towards peace and coexistence with Israel. On the contrary, from every possible platform it repeatedly rejects Israel's right to exist, presents the conflict as a religious battle for Islam, depicts the establishment of Israel as an act of imperialism, and perpetuates a picture of the Middle East, both verbally and visually, in which Israel does not exist at all. Israel's destruction is said to be both inevitable and a Palestinian obligation.
 
2012-11-14 01:39:13 PM  

Mazzic518: If you say his name three times out loud he shoes up with bagels and a hamlox


FTFY


chitlenz: The question comes down to why everyone hates each other (in this case, it seems to all be about the "declaration" of a Palestinian state, so the whole thing is about ideals).



Yeah. That is not what it comes down to at all.

There is a tiff between ISrael and Abbas rigth now over that, but that si going down with Palestenians in the West Bank, and doesn't really have much to do with the rockets coming from Gaza.

chitlenz: It's a gross generalization to say that all Arabs want all Israelis dead


But it isn't a gross exaggeration to say Gaza elected in a govt that has that in its charter (well jewish israelis).


chitlenz: Israel could at least try to negotiate


What woudl you call pulling all their peopel out of Gaza? Some by force?
 
2012-11-14 01:40:16 PM  
1. Determine who needs to stamp your passport to enter said region.
2. They control it.


Again not true, by this logic we (America) "Controlled" Iraq during our ill-fated occupation, but in reality on the ground we had little pools of fortified control and never really owned anything. Again, violence begets violence, and yeah the IDF can impose their will on something like a border but in doing so they have fueled an insurgent population. No, I don't think that Israel should "sit and take it" when terrorists fire rockets into their space BUT killing random people isn't a sane response (when there's a crime, find and punish the criminals, not just whoever is convenient). I don't really have a dog in this hunt, except that I fear Israel is going to end up trying to drag us into another unfunded slog in the ME when/if they overextend themselves. Netanyahu seems to be gambling on this, and he may be surprised to find less than enthusiastic allies if it happens.
 
2012-11-14 01:40:20 PM  

SnakeLee: tjassen: Hundreds of rockets have been fired from Gaza over the last few days. What are we supposed to do, bend over and take it in the ass? Incidentially, that's what we usually do. Rockets and mortars are fired regularly from Gaza towards civilian areas of Southern Israel.

Why did they fire these? Genuinely just curious. I can't even find the answer on Al Jazeera


Fark if I know. They do it all the time. Apparently they think that by shooting rockets at Israel we'll pack up and leave.
Or do you mean why did they suddenly increase the volume?
Probably because the anniversary of the Palestinain Decleration of Independence is this week.
They usually do stuff like that to commemerate these kinds of things.
When I was doing my regular service we'd have a daily briefing and it seemed like every other day there was something or other that they might use as a pretext to start things off again.
 
2012-11-14 01:40:43 PM  
is it just me or have a couple of the tweets dissapeared
 
2012-11-14 01:42:03 PM  

Trapper439: DjangoStonereaver: Hot IDF chick thread?

[img267.imageshack.us image 450x590]

Jebus H. Vishnu Beelzebub Christ, that is such a farking retarded meme.

Who gives the remotest of flying farks if there are some female IDF members who are hot?

Zip up your pants and get your dick out of your hand for once in your life and pay attention. And FWIW, not all of us have fetishes for plain janes in military fatigues sporting guns.


Someone needs a nap
 
2012-11-14 01:42:44 PM  

smitty04: tjassen: In the meantime most reservist (like me) get modified M16s, ie the old long ones cut down. Basically around the second intifada (2000) the IDF realized that the shorter length was more useful in urban fighting which is most of what the IDF does these days, and any extra accuracy from the longer barrel wasn't worth it. Instead of crating them and buying new guns, they cut them down and replaced the stock with the shorter collapsable one. You can tell that it's one of the cut ones as the barrel is slightly shorter then the real short ones. They had to do that so that the rifling would work properly.

[airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com image 462x751]
Must be a reservist


Nope. But she's in uniform so she's legally fabable.
 
2012-11-14 01:43:43 PM  

fappomatic: Get Barbara Streisand and Mahmoud Abbas in a boxing ring with two clubs and no rules. Winner takes all with the loser 's submission or death.


Wait, wasn't this the plotline of 'The Main Event'?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-14 01:43:48 PM  

ciberido: uberaverage: OMG!! IDF is like our BFF!!

[xspblog.com image 600x324] 

/oblig


I so utterly adore this comic.
 
2012-11-14 01:44:52 PM  
mreowmix:

You realize Golden Dawn just hates all foreigners, starting with Turks / Muslims first, and then everyone else, yes?

That's why I prefer Asian Dawn. those guys are awesome. I read about them in Time magazine.
 
2012-11-14 01:46:30 PM  

chitlenz: No, I don't think that Israel should "sit and take it" when terrorists fire rockets into their space BUT killing random people isn't a sane response (when there's a crime, find and punish the criminals, not just whoever is convenient).


How, exactly? Get the CSI guys on it? Make some calls to the local PDs and send a few uniforms in a squad car to the corner of Falafel Ln and Bakalakadaka St?

They do that (well, except the third). They follow the trajectory of the rocket back to its origins, then light up that spot. I don't think it's fair that families, homes and infrastructure get demolished as a result, but then, I also don't think it's fair that a group indiscriminately fires rockets at civilian populations FROM civilian population centers and then claims that retaliatory strikes on "weapons depots" aren't fair.

Armed conflict ain't fair.
 
2012-11-14 01:47:11 PM  

CygnusDarius: If I was a sort of Bond Villain, I'd probably destroy both countries in a barrage of nules, and send a public message to the world "It was me. Bring it", just to unite the world against a common enemy, see if I could bring peace under that concept.


This sounds like a movie...

Are you Adrian Veidt?
 
2012-11-14 01:48:03 PM  

Trapper439: Zip up your pants and get your dick out of your hand


I suggest reversing that order.
 
2012-11-14 01:50:38 PM  

smitty04: [img.jspace.com image 438x210]
In just over 24 hours, the photo has received almost 8,000 likes and been shared more than 43,000 times


The IDF actually whines about the "mainstream" media?
 
2012-11-14 01:50:52 PM  

ProfessorOhki: CygnusDarius: So what's Anonymous' take on this? And I'm not talking about the hacktivists, I'm talking about the old-school 4chan /b/tards.

Undoubtedly the same as it always was, "lulz."


upload.wikimedia.org

4chan. 4chan never changes.
 
2012-11-14 01:51:45 PM  
The Palestinian Authority makes no attempt to educate its people towards peace and coexistence with Israel. On the contrary, from every possible platform it repeatedly rejects Israel's right to exist, presents the conflict as a religious battle for Islam, depicts the establishment of Israel as an act of imperialism, and perpetuates a picture of the Middle East, both verbally and visually, in which Israel does not exist at all. Israel's destruction is said to be both inevitable and a Palestinian obligation.

Ok, so let's not even try to be reasonable, let's just kill everybody...

and related:


But it isn't a gross exaggeration to say Gaza elected in a govt that has that in its charter (well jewish israelis).


A charter is a piece of paper, this is the point of diplomacy.

What woudl you call pulling all their peopel out of Gaza? Some by force?

So Israel forced settlers to move back within their borders after they decided to go out on a limb and force the issue by "occupying" land? Again, if you work with people you can most of the time( admittedly not always, but most of the time) find a common ground.

I'm not defending Hamas here by any stretch (there's MORE than enough blame there as well), I just think that after 50 years of this violence isn't working and maybe we should try something else.

Hardline approaches never work, especially when both sides see themselves as having everything to lose. They need to sit down and find things they agree on and work out form there, not just keep saying "I'm right, you're wrong, the end" (this is BOTH sides by the way).

At this point it may not even matter anymore, for whatever reason the whole region is about to go up in flames (again).
 
2012-11-14 01:51:50 PM  
Israel has already taken everything from them, they have nothing left and will fight to the last man. You cannot win without becoming the monsters that Hitler said you were.
 
2012-11-14 01:55:19 PM  

Trapper439: DjangoStonereaver: Hot IDF chick thread?

[img267.imageshack.us image 450x590]

Jebus H. Vishnu Beelzebub Christ, that is such a farking retarded meme.

Who gives the remotest of flying farks if there are some female IDF members who are hot?

Zip up your pants and get your dick out of your hand for once in your life and pay attention. And FWIW, not all of us have fetishes for plain janes in military fatigues sporting guns.


I live with my mom
 
2012-11-14 01:57:55 PM  
Israel has already taken everything from them, they have nothing left and will fight to the last man. You cannot win without becoming the monsters that Hitler said you were.

Just wtf with all the absolutes man? Everyone needs to take a deep breath and go enjoy the day or something ... Seriously, Jewish folks are just folks. Palestinian folks are just folks. Folks are the people who get caught in the middle when their leaders refuse to give an inch on extreme points of view.

And outside of all this is the rest of the world, looking at all of you and shaking their heads saying "Not this shiat again".
 
2012-11-14 02:01:20 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: liam76: HotWingConspiracy: Trying so hard to bully them in to giving up their UN bid.

Was curious which route you were going to take.

I guess it is the ignore the blatant rocket attack by Hamas and pretend any response from Israel is "bulllying".

Israel is always the bully. Thinking people understand that the side with billions of dollars worth of military tech and a nuclear arsenal is the bully.


You really are a moron.

Your political opinions on who is being a "bully" in a confrontation boils down to who has better military technology?


HotWingConspiracy: How hard did you masturbate after reading about the Israeli's government official program to limit the number of calories allowed in to the open air prison that they run?


Pretty telling that you think people get sexually excited about stuff like this. Sorry but that doesn't happen to me. You trying to tell us something about how you felt when gaza launches rockets?

An open air prison with malls, bit screen TV's, and enough excess production to create rockets? Sounds terrible.
 
2012-11-14 02:02:10 PM  

liam76: gross exaggeration


New Band Name
 
2012-11-14 02:06:54 PM  

chitlenz: The Palestinian Authority makes no attempt to educate its people towards peace and coexistence with Israel. On the contrary, from every possible platform it repeatedly rejects Israel's right to exist, presents the conflict as a religious battle for Islam, depicts the establishment of Israel as an act of imperialism, and perpetuates a picture of the Middle East, both verbally and visually, in which Israel does not exist at all. Israel's destruction is said to be both inevitable and a Palestinian obligation.

Ok, so let's not even try to be reasonable, let's just kill everybody...

and related:


But it isn't a gross exaggeration to say Gaza elected in a govt that has that in its charter (well jewish israelis).

A charter is a piece of paper, this is the point of diplomacy.

What woudl you call pulling all their peopel out of Gaza? Some by force?

So Israel forced settlers to move back within their borders after they decided to go out on a limb and force the issue by "occupying" land? Again, if you work with people you can most of the time( admittedly not always, but most of the time) find a common ground.

I'm not defending Hamas here by any stretch (there's MORE than enough blame there as well), I just think that after 50 years of this violence isn't working and maybe we should try something else.

Hardline approaches never work, especially when both sides see themselves as having everything to lose. They need to sit down and find things they agree on and work out form there, not just keep saying "I'm right, you're wrong, the end" (this is BOTH sides by the way).

At this point it may not even matter anymore, for whatever reason the whole region is about to go up in flames (again).


WE Kemosabe?
Unless you're like me and half anticipating/half dreading a phone call from your reserve unit you don't have a chestnut in this fire.

Bleh... I was writing a repsonse to the rest of your post and then realized I don't have the energy for it. And that pretty much sums up the Israeli position. Most Israelis want a solution, want a Palestinan state (or at least are resigned to it), but nothing seems to go anywhere so we're like, Fark you, we don't have time for this bullshiat.
 
2012-11-14 02:08:14 PM  

liam76: Mazzic518: If you say his name three times out loud he shoes up with bagels and a hamlox

FTFY


chitlenz: The question comes down to why everyone hates each other (in this case, it seems to all be about the "declaration" of a Palestinian state, so the whole thing is about ideals).


Yeah. That is not what it comes down to at all.

There is a tiff between ISrael and Abbas rigth now over that, but that si going down with Palestenians in the West Bank, and doesn't really have much to do with the rockets coming from Gaza.

chitlenz: It's a gross generalization to say that all Arabs want all Israelis dead

But it isn't a gross exaggeration to say Gaza elected in a govt that has that in its charter (well jewish israelis).


chitlenz: Israel could at least try to negotiate

What woudl you call pulling all their peopel out of Gaza? Some by force?


www.fbastard.com
 
2012-11-14 02:08:51 PM  

liam76: HotWingConspiracy: liam76: HotWingConspiracy: Trying so hard to bully them in to giving up their UN bid.

Was curious which route you were going to take.

I guess it is the ignore the blatant rocket attack by Hamas and pretend any response from Israel is "bulllying".

Israel is always the bully. Thinking people understand that the side with billions of dollars worth of military tech and a nuclear arsenal is the bully.

You really are a moron.

Your political opinions on who is being a "bully" in a confrontation boils down to who has better military technology?

 

I always wonder about this attitude. The underdog sometimes deserves to be the underdog.
 
2012-11-14 02:10:52 PM  
Amos Quito

Dr Dreidel: The fact that this comes after many, many rockets were fired into Israel is surely a surprise to us all.


The fact that the Pallies are fed up after 60 years of brutal vicious occupation by the interloping Zionists is surely a surprise to us all.

Protip: If you don't want your land taken from you and occupation forces moving in, stop starting wars and lobbing rockets. Hell even the most germans have learned that lesson.

Your 60 year figure is another blatant lie as others have already pointed out nazi boy.
 
2012-11-14 02:12:52 PM  
Israel is always the bully. Thinking people understand that the side with billions of dollars worth of military tech and a nuclear arsenal is the bully.

Oh, and one other thing: If they were "the bully" with all that equipment, I'm pretty sure the Palestinians would be facing extinction.
 
2012-11-14 02:13:38 PM  

ciberido: ProfessorOhki: CygnusDarius: So what's Anonymous' take on this? And I'm not talking about the hacktivists, I'm talking about the old-school 4chan /b/tards.

Undoubtedly the same as it always was, "lulz."

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]

4chan. 4chan never changes.


4chan has changed. It's no longer about lulz, lurking moar, or raids. It's an endless series of proxy threads fought by moralfags and script kiddies. 4chan- and its consumption of internets- has become a well-oiled machine. 4chan has changed. ID-tagged Anons carry ID-tagged scripts, use ID-tagged computers. Caffeine inside their bodies decrease and regulate their abilities. Thread control. Information control. Emoticon control. Desu control. Everything is monitored and kept under control. 4chan has changed. The age of Facebook has become the age of control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from the partyvan. And he who controls the threads... controls lulz. 4chan has changed. When the thread is under total control... 4chan becomes routine.
 
2012-11-14 02:15:28 PM  

Mazzic518
www.fbastard.com


Crazy people with van's thread?
www.jefflawlor.com
 
2012-11-14 02:15:39 PM  

Cambrian: Trapper439: DjangoStonereaver: Hot IDF chick thread?

[img267.imageshack.us image 450x590]

Jebus H. Vishnu Beelzebub Christ, that is such a farking retarded meme.

Who gives the remotest of flying farks if there are some female IDF members who are hot?

Zip up your pants and get your dick out of your hand for once in your life and pay attention. And FWIW, not all of us have fetishes for plain janes in military fatigues sporting guns.

I live with my mom


potato/10

People who post pictures of allegedly "hot" female IDF members are threadjackers and nothing more.

It's much like looking to this idiot as a guide to foreign policy:

thebuzzmedia.com
 
2012-11-14 02:16:14 PM  

Overfiend: CygnusDarius: If I was a sort of Bond Villain, I'd probably destroy both countries in a barrage of nules, and send a public message to the world "It was me. Bring it", just to unite the world against a common enemy, see if I could bring peace under that concept.

This sounds like a movie...

Are you Adrian Veidt?


That is the right idea. But, in the real world, it might work out. Mostly because people would try to tie me with the enemy (whoever that is at the moment), and all the fun starts anew.
 
2012-11-14 02:16:20 PM  

chitlenz: The Palestinian Authority makes no attempt to educate its people towards peace and coexistence with Israel. On the contrary, from every possible platform it repeatedly rejects Israel's right to exist, presents the conflict as a religious battle for Islam, depicts the establishment of Israel as an act of imperialism, and perpetuates a picture of the Middle East, both verbally and visually, in which Israel does not exist at all. Israel's destruction is said to be both inevitable and a Palestinian obligation.

Ok, so let's not even try to be reasonable, let's just kill everybody...

and related:


But it isn't a gross exaggeration to say Gaza elected in a govt that has that in its charter (well jewish israelis).

A charter is a piece of paper, this is the point of diplomacy.

What woudl you call pulling all their peopel out of Gaza? Some by force?

So Israel forced settlers to move back within their borders after they decided to go out on a limb and force the issue by "occupying" land? Again, if you work with people you can most of the time( admittedly not always, but most of the time) find a common ground.

I'm not defending Hamas here by any stretch (there's MORE than enough blame there as well), I just think that after 50 years of this violence isn't working and maybe we should try something else.

Hardline approaches never work, especially when both sides see themselves as having everything to lose. They need to sit down and find things they agree on and work out form there, not just keep saying "I'm right, you're wrong, the end" (this is BOTH sides by the way).

At this point it may not even matter anymore, for whatever reason the whole region is about to go up in flames (again).


Every time they sit down and talk peace Hamas has a chance to re-arm. These moments of peace usually are ended by a barrage of missiles out of Gaza.
 
2012-11-14 02:27:30 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-14 02:29:21 PM  
WE Kemosabe?
Unless you're like me and half anticipating/half dreading a phone call from your reserve unit you don't have a chestnut in this fire.

Bleh... I was writing a repsonse to the rest of your post and then realized I don't have the energy for it. And that pretty much sums up the Israeli position. Most Israelis want a solution, want a Palestinan state (or at least are resigned to it), but nothing seems to go anywhere so we're like, Fark you, we don't have time for this bullshiat.


I feel for you man, I really do. War is terrifying for all involved, and I hope you stay safe. I personally don't have anything to lose in this (yet), but I'm going through the exercise of publicly debating this topic because I find it mystifying how two groups of people can be so alike and yet be at each others throats all the time, and I am bothering to converse this here because I want to understand both opinions (and fark seems to have a mix of ... god knows what, heh). I think if both sides admit the other side is made of up human beings, and both sides agree that people need a place to call home, and both sides already acknowledge a Palestinian state is inevitable, then why can't the few people in charge get to the bottom of the problem?

Look at New York, Jews and Arabs coexist fine. Sure there's hate crimes from time to time, but stupid people are a constant in any society. I do understand that state sponsored terrorist acts are different (it would be obtuse to think that the rockets attacks raining on Israel are happening without the blessing of Hamas), but because of this the puzzle has an obvious solution once the people at the top stop throwing tantrums. Because both sides are so tightly led the people or both sides will follow any course change, it's a kind of side effect of tight social control (which both societies have in this case).
 
2012-11-14 02:35:28 PM  

CygnusDarius: Overfiend: CygnusDarius: If I was a sort of Bond Villain, I'd probably destroy both countries in a barrage of nules, and send a public message to the world "It was me. Bring it", just to unite the world against a common enemy, see if I could bring peace under that concept.

This sounds like a movie...

Are you Adrian Veidt?

That is the right idea. But, in the real world, it might work out. Mostly because people would try to tie me with the enemy (whoever that is at the moment), and all the fun starts anew.


Didnt someone else (maybe it was Krugman?) say we needed an alien invasion to bring the peoples of the world together?

/I may be having an acid flashback
 
2012-11-14 02:35:44 PM  

jaybeezey: Every time they sit down and talk peace Hamas has a chance to re-arm. These moments of peace usually are ended by a barrage of missiles out of Gaza.


This is why my idea of being a villain, and attack both nations, is a good idea. That way they both focus on kicking one person's ass instead of each other.
 
2012-11-14 02:37:47 PM  

jaybeezey: Every time they sit down and talk peace Hamas has a chance to re-arm. These moments of peace usually are ended by a barrage of missiles out of Gaza.


I really don't care what any of those superstitious assholes in the Middle East do to each other, but I'll say it yet again:

KIlling people with better killing technologies doesn't give one the moral high ground.
 
2012-11-14 02:51:53 PM  

chitlenz: I think if both sides admit the other side is made of up human beings, and both sides agree that people need a place to call home, and both sides already acknowledge a Palestinian state is inevitable, then why can't the few people in charge get to the bottom of the problem?


Because the people elected to be in charge in Gaza have wiping the jews in Israel out as part of their charter.


Thisbymaster: Israel has already taken everything from them, they have nothing left and will fight to the last man. You cannot win without becoming the monsters that Hitler said you were.


You might want to look at the life expectancy, literacy and infant mortality. Pay special attention to what it was prior to the second intafada, prior to the 05 Gaza war, and today compared to their muslim neighbors.
 
2012-11-14 02:52:19 PM  

Overfiend: CygnusDarius: Overfiend: CygnusDarius: If I was a sort of Bond Villain, I'd probably destroy both countries in a barrage of nules, and send a public message to the world "It was me. Bring it", just to unite the world against a common enemy, see if I could bring peace under that concept.

This sounds like a movie...

Are you Adrian Veidt?

That is the right idea. But, in the real world, it might work out. Mostly because people would try to tie me with the enemy (whoever that is at the moment), and all the fun starts anew.

Didnt someone else (maybe it was Krugman?) say we needed an alien invasion to bring the peoples of the world together?

/I may be having an acid flashback


I think so, and in that sense, they're right. It's funny, it's not the betterment of society what keeps us together, it's what we want to kill what keeps us together.
 
2012-11-14 02:55:44 PM  
logging in
 
2012-11-14 03:00:26 PM  

russlar: In 2012, war was beginning...


it's the end of the world as we know it...

and I've got mixed feelings
 
2012-11-14 03:05:56 PM  

chitlenz: It's not that simple.
Hundreds of rockets have been fired from Gaza over the last few days. What are we supposed to do, bend over and take it in the ass? Incidentially, that's what we usually do. Rockets and mortars are fired regularly from Gaza towards civilian areas of Southern Israel.
It's not a matter of mathematics, if that was the case Israel would have been wiped in in the War of Independence, or again in the Six Day War. What you are missing is that Israelis have everything to lose. The terrorist groups, ie Hamas, want us dead. There is no middle ground with that. You can't argue with crazy.

The question comes down to why everyone hates each other (in this case, it seems to all be about the "declaration" of a Palestinian state, so the whole thing is about ideals). There's almost always a middle road, it's just that in this case everyone always wants to take extreme points of view on both sides. It's a gross generalization to say that all Arabs want all Israelis dead, as there have been and continue to be diplomats on both sides. Israel could at least try to negotiate, but they instead seem to always want to up the ante militarily every time something happens as a response. It's like American politics, but with guns. The funny thing about it is that in most cases like this the answer is obvious, but since neither side wants to lose face and admit it they just keep ratcheting up the pressure instead.



You really need to get out of your moms basement once in a while.
 
2012-11-14 03:12:05 PM  

chitlenz: WE Kemosabe?
Unless you're like me and half anticipating/half dreading a phone call from your reserve unit you don't have a chestnut in this fire.

Bleh... I was writing a repsonse to the rest of your post and then realized I don't have the energy for it. And that pretty much sums up the Israeli position. Most Israelis want a solution, want a Palestinan state (or at least are resigned to it), but nothing seems to go anywhere so we're like, Fark you, we don't have time for this bullshiat.

I feel for you man, I really do. War is terrifying for all involved, and I hope you stay safe. I personally don't have anything to lose in this (yet), but I'm going through the exercise of publicly debating this topic because I find it mystifying how two groups of people can be so alike and yet be at each others throats all the time, and I am bothering to converse this here because I want to understand both opinions (and fark seems to have a mix of ... god knows what, heh). I think if both sides admit the other side is made of up human beings, and both sides agree that people need a place to call home, and both sides already acknowledge a Palestinian state is inevitable, then why can't the few people in charge get to the bottom of the problem?

Look at New York, Jews and Arabs coexist fine. Sure there's hate crimes from time to time, but stupid people are a constant in any society. I do understand that state sponsored terrorist acts are different (it would be obtuse to think that the rockets attacks raining on Israel are happening without the blessing of Hamas), but because of this the puzzle has an obvious solution once the people at the top stop throwing tantrums. Because both sides are so tightly led the people or both sides will follow any course change, it's a kind of side effect of tight social control (which both societies have in this case).


Yea, i dont know where the hatred comes from either...
Qur'an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

Qur'an 4:91- If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant.

. Qur'an 9:7-9-Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

Qur'an 9:12-14-Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory.

. Qur'an 9:5 Kill the nonbelievers wherever you find them.

Qur'an 2:191-2-Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.

Qur'an (4:48, 4:116)-Those who ascribe a partner to Allah (like Christians do with Jesus and the Holy Spirit) will not be forgiven. They have "invented a tremendous sin."

Qur'an (4:51)-Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities, yet they claim to be more rightly guided than Muslims.

Qur'an (5:51) Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

. Qur'an 9:6-Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.)

Qur'an 5:53 Jews and Christians are losers.

Qur'an 5:59 Jews and Christians are evil-livers.

Qur'an 5:63 Evil is the handiwork of the rabbis and priests.

Qur'an 5:72 Christians will be burned in the Fire.

Qur'an 5:73Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom.

Qur'an 9:30Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them.
 
2012-11-14 03:26:46 PM  

Joe Blowme: chitlenz: WE Kemosabe?
Unless you're like me and half anticipating/half dreading a phone call from your reserve unit you don't have a chestnut in this fire.

Bleh... I was writing a repsonse to the rest of your post and then realized I don't have the energy for it. And that pretty much sums up the Israeli position. Most Israelis want a solution, want a Palestinan state (or at least are resigned to it), but nothing seems to go anywhere so we're like, Fark you, we don't have time for this bullshiat.

I feel for you man, I really do. War is terrifying for all involved, and I hope you stay safe. I personally don't have anything to lose in this (yet), but I'm going through the exercise of publicly debating this topic because I find it mystifying how two groups of people can be so alike and yet be at each others throats all the time, and I am bothering to converse this here because I want to understand both opinions (and fark seems to have a mix of ... god knows what, heh). I think if both sides admit the other side is made of up human beings, and both sides agree that people need a place to call home, and both sides already acknowledge a Palestinian state is inevitable, then why can't the few people in charge get to the bottom of the problem?

Look at New York, Jews and Arabs coexist fine. Sure there's hate crimes from time to time, but stupid people are a constant in any society. I do understand that state sponsored terrorist acts are different (it would be obtuse to think that the rockets attacks raining on Israel are happening without the blessing of Hamas), but because of this the puzzle has an obvious solution once the people at the top stop throwing tantrums. Because both sides are so tightly led the people or both sides will follow any course change, it's a kind of side effect of tight social control (which both societies have in this case).

Yea, i dont know where the hatred comes from either...
Qur'an 9:29-Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tr ...


What color do people favorite retards in?
 
2012-11-14 03:38:58 PM  

Joe Blowme: Retarded shiat from some holy book that is no better or worse than any other holy book

 

You do realise that there are parts of the "Holy Bible" and the "Torah" that are similarly xenophobic and bloodthirsty, right?

Fark religion in each and every one of its forms. The human race should have shed mindless superstition thousands of years ago, but you assholes keep bringing it up.
 
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