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(Toronto Star)   It's like rain on your wedding day, a fly in your chardonnay, or dying in a fiery plane crash on your way to an air safety conference   (thestar.com) divider line 51
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2012-11-14 11:47:21 AM  
And as the plane crashed down he thought, "well isn't this nice"...
 
2012-11-14 11:57:18 AM  
 
2012-11-14 12:09:10 PM  
Epic Ironing
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2012-11-14 12:31:55 PM  
Sorry. It would have been ironic had they taken a bus because they missed their plane and died in a bus crash.
 
2012-11-14 12:41:50 PM  
Not Ironic.
 
2012-11-14 12:57:54 PM  
That must've been a jagged little pill to swallow...
 
2012-11-14 01:36:32 PM  
Our University had a PA-28 go down right after takeoff because the fuel selector was not in the detent. Previous to that incident, it was a before takeoff checklist item to switch fuel tanks, but if I remember correctly, it's been moved or deleted. Problem is, yeah you can switch the tanks, but at idle speed there is enough fuel still left in the system to run until you're barreling down the runway a few seconds later. Then dreadful silence.

In our school's case, they were lucky enough to land it on the highway that runs perpendicular to the departure end. Only damage was the wingtip light and the back window of a Subaru.
 
2012-11-14 01:52:53 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Not Ironic.


It would have been ironic if the accident was caused by the air safety conference, right?? Like if the conference were being held in another aircraft and then they flew in to the other aircraft carrying the pilots in the other aircraft to the conference that is being held in the other aircraft that then accidentally flew in to the aircraft that ended up crashing that was carrying the 3 pilots to the conference that was about air safety and then.....
/amidoinitright?
 
2012-11-14 01:55:03 PM  
Kind of like the guy that died after crashing his motorcycle, while protesting against a law requiring riders to wear helmets.  rewardslink.info
 
2012-11-14 01:59:00 PM  

Charlie Freak: Our University had a PA-28 go down right after takeoff because the fuel selector was not in the detent. Previous to that incident, it was a before takeoff checklist item to switch fuel tanks, but if I remember correctly, it's been moved or deleted. Problem is, yeah you can switch the tanks, but at idle speed there is enough fuel still left in the system to run until you're barreling down the runway a few seconds later. Then dreadful silence.

In our school's case, they were lucky enough to land it on the highway that runs perpendicular to the departure end. Only damage was the wingtip light and the back window of a Subaru.


I've had instructors that suggesting switching tanks as part of the run-up checklist and others that cite problems just like this as a reason to stick with the tank that's proven to be working. Still, you would think that switching during run-up would use more fuel than just what's in the line but I no longer switch tanks on aircraft with fuel pumps prior to take off.
 
2012-11-14 02:03:54 PM  
Died in a crash to make a trip that would have been quicker in a car than your preflight checklist.

Yeah, that might be ironic.

/This is also why you can't have a flying car.
 
2012-11-14 02:03:56 PM  
Not ironic. The existence of an air safety conference directly implies that flying is unsafe. If anything, given their knowledge of this, their choice to fly was irrational.
 
2012-11-14 02:09:01 PM  
Ironically, I was hoping to get in before all the d-bag irony police arrived....
 
2012-11-14 02:09:20 PM  

Mytch: Not ironic. The existence of an air safety conference directly implies that flying is unsafe. If anything, given their knowledge of this, their choice to fly was irrational.


But Fark doesn't have an Irrational tag.
 
2012-11-14 02:09:23 PM  
The witness, a Jackson police officer, saw the plane sputtering like it was out of fuel, he would later tell the plane's owner - a budding pilot whose own life was spared when he decided to go deer hunting instead of flying.

*twitch*
 
2012-11-14 02:15:50 PM  
The plane was overloaded with 10,000 spoons.
 
2012-11-14 02:17:07 PM  

wildcardjack: Died in a crash to make a trip that would have been quicker in a car than your preflight checklist.

Yeah, that might be ironic.


That's what struck me, too. Back two cars out of the same driveway at the same time, one heads directly to the next town over while the other heads to the airport. Dollars to donuts that the car-goer will be over 1/2 way to the destination before the flyer has even gotten the plane out of the hangar.
 
2012-11-14 02:27:24 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Lost_at_sea: Ironically, I was hoping to get in before all the d-bag irony police arrived....

I never did get this, exactly. Do you farkers arguing about correct use of the word "ironic" every time the tag appears think it makes you appear intellectual, or "cutting edge"?

News flash: It doesn't. It only makes you appear like that grubby guy downtown, standing on the street corner masturbating and shouting gibberish at passersby. Just thought someone should let you know.


I am NOT grubby.
 
2012-11-14 02:35:32 PM  

Nil Tu Aris: I've had instructors that suggesting switching tanks as part of the run-up checklist and others that cite problems just like this as a reason to stick with the tank that's proven to be working. Still, you would think that switching during run-up would use more fuel than just what's in the line but I no longer switch tanks on aircraft with fuel pumps prior to take off.


Lucky for me all the aircraft I primarily fly now are high wing (172, 182). No need to deal with the pesky fuel selector valve except when refueling :D
 
2012-11-14 02:36:55 PM  
I will allow that, subby. It's at least somewhat ironic.
 
2012-11-14 02:50:14 PM  
As an English major, I can tell you this is, in fact, ironic.
 
2012-11-14 02:58:13 PM  
Can we at least agree it be more ironic if he had just finished the conference?
 
2012-11-14 03:07:33 PM  

WinoRhino: As an English major, I can tell you this is, in fact, ironic.


As the child of two English majors (My mother being fluent in Spanish, English, and French), I agree with this statement.
 
2012-11-14 03:11:03 PM  
The fact the pilots were heading to a conference on air safety when their plane crashed is just an unlikely farking coincidence of two unrelated events, not irony.

However, if you lend your airplane to three well-trained pilots who are heading to a conference on air safety you expect your airplane to be in safe hands. You think your plane is safer up there than parking in a hangar... But at the end this way of thinking turns out to be the direct cause that you loose your airplane, and that, in fact, is ironic.
 
2012-11-14 03:11:22 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Lost_at_sea: Ironically, I was hoping to get in before all the d-bag irony police arrived....

I never did get this, exactly. Do you farkers arguing about correct use of the word "ironic" every time the tag appears think it makes you appear intellectual, or "cutting edge"?

News flash: It doesn't. It only makes you appear like that grubby guy downtown, standing on the street corner masturbating and shouting gibberish at passersby. Just thought someone should let you know.


Ironically, his roof is quite waterproof.

/(check the screen name)
 
2012-11-14 03:13:01 PM  
"He was one of the finest Christian men I knew"

And? What does this have to do with anything? Is your god going to save only the Christians on the plane and fark the rest of them? dammittohell
 
2012-11-14 03:15:07 PM  
Literally nothing is ironic.
 
2012-11-14 03:15:50 PM  
WinoRhino: As an English major, I can tell you this is, in fact, ironic.

As the child of two English majors (My mother being fluent in Spanish, English, and French), I agree with this statement


That ain't all she's fluent in.
 
2012-11-14 03:22:03 PM  

Begoggle: Literally nothing is ironic.


I'm always somewhat put off when people say things like "nothing is worse than... " and they name something that is merely inconvenient, not in any way devastating like cancer or a punctured eyeball.

But then I think about it and speaking literally, "nothing" really is worse than any unpleasant situation you can name. Imagine absolute nothing. I'll take pretty much any form of existence over that, thank you. I suppose that some people with trigeminal neuralgia might disagree.
 
2012-11-14 03:28:44 PM  
I was going to submit this with a worse headline.

Good job subby!
 
2012-11-14 03:31:58 PM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: "He was one of the finest Christian men I knew"

And? What does this have to do with anything? Is your god going to save only the Christians on the plane and fark the rest of them? dammittohell


Maybe he thinks less of Christians, and was merely claiming this guy isn't so bad, for a christian.
 
2012-11-14 03:34:37 PM  

Begoggle: Literally nothing is ironic.


3.bp.blogspot.com

The use of words to mean something other than their literal intention! Now. That! Is! Irony!
 
2012-11-14 03:44:11 PM  
It's like saying this isn't ironic...
 
2012-11-14 03:48:33 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Begoggle: Literally nothing is ironic.



The use of words to mean something other than their literal intention! Now. That! Is! Irony!


"The use of words to mean something other than
their literal intention! Now. That! Is! Irony!"

I don't think that we have that definition of irony over here (U.K.) We call that sarcasm, whereas I hear on American sit-coms "stop being ironic" or "I was being ironic" it's never seemed right. My English teacher described irony as a bit of a sick joke, in Shakespeare anyway.

Anyway I can't gripe about it as it's not a UK site and I'm too lazy to read an English dictionary.

/oh yeah, plane crash, that's sad (and ironic in the circumstances)
 
2012-11-14 04:16:19 PM  

telejester: WinoRhino: As an English major, I can tell you this is, in fact, ironic.

As the child of two English majors (My mother being fluent in Spanish, English, and French), I agree with this statement

That ain't all she's fluent in.


Well, she's understands the syntax of Italian and Portuguese. But, I'd hardly call that fluent.
 
2012-11-14 04:18:00 PM  
It would be ironic if there was a Fark thread about irony that didn't turn into a piss-fest about whether the topic was ironic or not.

/also assume my post will receive a zero on the irony meter.
//don't ya think
 
2012-11-14 04:18:32 PM  

Begoggle: Literally nothing is ironic.


Exactly. Irony is a sliding scale, shades of gray. I think this one is pretty good.
 
2012-11-14 04:33:22 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Not Ironic.


Yes it goddamn is.
 
2012-11-14 04:47:22 PM  
As the late Dr. Jonas Salk always said - "there are no coincidences"
 
2012-11-14 04:50:06 PM  
Ed Byrne might say:

There's nothing ironic about being in a fiery plane crash. Unless you're a flight safety inspector, and you're on your way to a conference on flight safety at which you were giving a talk on how you solved the problem of small single-engine fiery plane crashes, couldn't get to it cause you died in a fiery plane crash, that'd be well ironic, wouldn't it.
 
2012-11-14 04:52:48 PM  

joness0154: pesky


I trained in a 172, and always flew with the selector set to "both." When I switched over to a PA-28, I thought it was odd that Piper makes you select left or right.

I doubt this crash was fuel starvation. I just don't see how 3 pilots (at least one of whom is a CFI) could make that mistake. More likely to be fuel contamination, since the airplane had been sitting for at least a month.

Every time I hear about a crash like this, I'm inclined to quit my flying club and end my flying hobby.
 
2012-11-14 05:13:12 PM  
One of my greatest dreams in life has always been to get a Fark greenlight where the thread would fill up with people arguing as to whether I used the Ironic tag appropriately.

I can die happy now, knowing that my dream has been fulfilled.

/maybe in a fiery plane crash
 
2012-11-14 05:20:48 PM  
I thought it was a black fly in your chardonnay.

/eh semantics
 
2012-11-14 06:35:20 PM  
Flew almost directly over the crash site today (it is in the traffic pattern area of the airport). A damned shame really.

Where and when they started to experience this engine trouble is just the worst. They would not have had near enough altitude to turn back and make the airport, and there are only a couple of perpendicular roads that are wide enough to possibly land safely. Possibly. And those roads are bumpy as hell in a car (infrastructure around the city is a bit... underfunded).

I'm curious what the investigation yields.

Needless to say, there was a bit of a talk about it in the hangar today.
 
2012-11-14 06:37:50 PM  
Oh, this story could have been worse by the way. They landed just past the Jackson zoo. Imagine surviving a plane crash and having to fight a tiger. See, that would have been my luck.
 
2012-11-14 10:41:15 PM  
So, it's simple, pilots on the way to an air safety conference already know the additional safety information because they are going to get it. Therefore, you would expect them to be the safest pilots off all. Because they felt they needed some air safety conference. Therefore, you would not expect them to be unsafe. And when the opposite of what is expected happens, boom, ironicness.

/you're welcome
 
2012-11-14 11:05:50 PM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: "He was one of the finest Christian men I knew"

And? What does this have to do with anything? Is your god going to save only the Christians on the plane and fark the rest of them? dammittohell


I'm glad I'm not the only one that responded to that with a "Why the fark did you feel the need to specify he was a christian?"

And if his god was supposed to save the christians on the plane, either he wasn't such a fine christian after all, or god has lost track of a few of his followers.

/why can't we just call people GOOD without dragging religion into i?
 
2012-11-14 11:30:54 PM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: "He was one of the finest Christian men I knew"

And? What does this have to do with anything? Is your god going to save only the Christians on the plane and fark the rest of them? dammittohell


That line bothered me less than the "Thank God he went hunting instead of flying". What about the others that died? Secret heathens? Didn't pray hard enough? God has a quota on helping people?

/deist
 
2012-11-15 12:01:46 AM  

LadyBelgara: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: "He was one of the finest Christian men I knew"

And? What does this have to do with anything? Is your god going to save only the Christians on the plane and fark the rest of them? dammittohell

I'm glad I'm not the only one that responded to that with a "Why the fark did you feel the need to specify he was a christian?"

And if his god was supposed to save the christians on the plane, either he wasn't such a fine christian after all, or god has lost track of a few of his followers.

/why can't we just call people GOOD without dragging religion into i?


Well, I thought it was plain. When people say "He was one of the finest Christan men I knew" that means the hold Christians in a better regard than anyone else.
 
2012-11-15 05:47:44 AM  
Some of the rumors floating around CAP right now is that one of the individuals actually survived the crash conscious, and was heard screaming from the fire for help. Basically burned alive.

/Mother-in-law is in CAP.
 
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