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(The Week)   The seven strangest details of the David Petraeus affair. So far   (theweek.com) divider line 57
    More: Interesting, CIA Director David Petraeus, Chuck Klosterman, Florida Governor, Afghanistan War, United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Broadwell, Yoshiaki Iwasaki, involvement  
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2012-11-14 11:46:39 AM
How about, that people care?
 
2012-11-14 11:49:32 AM
None of the crap on that list interests me or pops out as being juicy gossip. Booo-ring!
 
2012-11-14 11:50:22 AM
FTA: 2. The Broadwells live near John Edwards' mistress

It's also about 4 blocks from where I work.
 
2012-11-14 11:52:26 AM
This entire thing reminds me of the final scene of Burn After Reading
 
2012-11-14 11:52:33 AM

neritz: FTA: 2. The Broadwells live near John Edwards' mistress

It's also about 4 blocks from where I work.


But... are you involved???
 
2012-11-14 11:53:15 AM

neritz: FTA: 2. The Broadwells live near John Edwards' mistress

It's also about 4 blocks from where I work.


You're farked when your wife finds out. Do you think you and Paula will have a threesome with Rielle?
 
2012-11-14 11:54:34 AM
So far it's just "Men (with power) behaving Badly" to me with a few possible security lapses thrown in to spice it up.
 
2012-11-14 11:56:27 AM

seljer: This entire thing reminds me of the final scene of Burn After Reading


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For farks sake, put him on the next plane to Venezuela....
 
2012-11-14 11:58:45 AM
This whole this is an awesome soap opera train wreck that keeps on getting better and better. (Popcorn ready) It's also a great view of how the upper echelons of society live, they are just as farked up as the rest of us but remember kids... these morons think they are better than you.

Dear General Petraeus,

Next time, wait until she leaves, log into Reddit, and post a picture of her in the "doppelbanger" subreddit, and go on a date with mary palm and her 5 sisters. ENJOY!
 
2012-11-14 12:00:37 PM
General-schmeneral. I'm all for loading the generals, the wimmens and their husbands in a connex box marked for delivery to Yemen. Enough already.
 
2012-11-14 12:01:17 PM
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2012-11-14 12:02:00 PM
The least of all suprising things about this is that he is head spy of a damn spy agency, you know, the same industry as "Wild Bill" Donovan, Bill Buckley, the hot redheaded chick from Russia, and I"ll throw in James Bond for shi*ts and giggles. Of course he is a womanizer, it goes with the damn job. I think they even put it on their resume.
 
2012-11-14 12:03:10 PM
Our job here is done...
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2012-11-14 12:03:23 PM
1. Mr. Broadwell wasn't amused when he found out. Really? How is this strange, or even noteworthy?
2. John Edwards' mistress...how to the...what in the...who cares?
3. The love-triangle aspect of investigator and investigatee is mildly interesting. :|
4. A charity that's a scam...so novel!
5. One of the people involved has a sister who dated someone important!!!
6. Something someone said sounds similar (because adultery and political power are so...very...novel).
7. People did something dumb while doing something else dumb.

Guh. Yeah, the head of the CIA shouldn't be having adulterous affairs. This doesn't warrant the 24/7 treatment. Drum him out, possibly investigate and prosecute him, but this isn't unusual, much less "strange".
 
2012-11-14 12:04:48 PM
And not a fark was given (by me).
 
2012-11-14 12:11:31 PM
Charity? Ripping people off if you ask me.
 
2012-11-14 12:15:15 PM
 
2012-11-14 12:15:18 PM

fappomatic: General-schmeneral. I'm all for loading the generals, the wimmens and their husbands in a connex box marked for delivery to Yemen. Enough already.


Mr Kelley sounds like a major douchebag in his own right, so I can see Yemenizing him, but why Mr. Broadwell ?
 
2012-11-14 12:17:15 PM
I guess my idea of sex scandal is waaaaaaaay more scandalous than most people's, but seriously, a top general is shamed into quitting over an affair?

And the FBI was putting (what seems like a lot of) resources into investigating an AFFAIR?!

Buncha puritans.
 
2012-11-14 12:17:56 PM

shortymac: This whole this is an awesome soap opera train wreck that keeps on getting better and better. (Popcorn ready) It's also a great view of how the upper echelons of society live, they are just as farked up as the rest of us but remember kids... these morons think they are better than you.


Highlighted for absolute truth...
 
2012-11-14 12:21:54 PM

Civchic: I guess my idea of sex scandal is waaaaaaaay more scandalous than most people's, but seriously, a top general is shamed into quitting over an affair?

And the FBI was putting (what seems like a lot of) resources into investigating an AFFAIR?!

Buncha puritans.


Thank you. Y'all in the north do tend to be more pragmatic.
 
2012-11-14 12:24:52 PM
says Sam Grobart at Bloomberg: "Petraeus ran the largest, best-funded, most capable intelligence service in the history of the world, but even he failed to learn the lesson learned long ago by small-time mobsters and corner drug dealers: If you want something to remain a secret, stay off the phones and - more important - stay off email."

Why bother with a quote from someone unaware that the NSA is about 10 times the size of the CIA?

/not news
//it's fark
 
2012-11-14 12:31:12 PM
Gmail? They farking used Gmail!?!?!
 
2012-11-14 12:31:16 PM
What we do know, says Carol Ross Joynt at the Washingtonian, is that the couple were in "good" and "upbeat" moods on Thursday night and Friday, and suddenly "not in very good moods" late Friday. By the time they checked out, earlier than expected on Saturday morning, Scott was described as "not talkative." The plan was to head to Washington for Paula's 40th birthday party, which was abruptly canceled. "A source close to the intelligence community said General Petraeus was scheduled to attend that party."


"Scott.... Scott, baby! Scotto, Scottie the Hottie, Scotty B in the place to be! What is UP my brutha? SB. Player, tell me how my dick tastes! PEACE!!!!!"
 
rka
2012-11-14 12:31:46 PM
The fact that Chuck Klosterman is a) writes the Ethicist column for the NYT Magazine and b) in any way connected to this, just makes my day.
 
2012-11-14 12:34:55 PM
The FBI agent in question?

xfinity.comcast.net
 
2012-11-14 12:34:56 PM
When do we get to learn (officially) of David Petraeus' unusual genitalia?
 
2012-11-14 12:35:40 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: shortymac: This whole this is an awesome soap opera train wreck that keeps on getting better and better. (Popcorn ready) It's also a great view of how the upper echelons of society live, they are just as farked up as the rest of us but remember kids... these morons think they are better than you.

Highlighted for absolute truth...


Scott Fitzgerald made note of that 80 years ago.
 
2012-11-14 12:43:58 PM

rka: The fact that Chuck Klosterman is a) writes the Ethicist column for the NYT Magazine and b) in any way connected to this, just makes my day.


Yea, I've loved that guy since I was in high school, and that part of this mess filled me with a little joy, too.
 
2012-11-14 12:47:40 PM

hubcity: The FBI agent in question?

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I was thinking more like

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2012-11-14 12:47:47 PM
The whole thing shines a light on the power structure high on the ladder of success. It seems that, at the upper reaches of politics and Washington society, it takes both people to get a rung up. The women (conversely, the men, for women of power) must be wiling to add to the abilities of their partners to march up to a leader's position. Andrew Wiener's wife serving Hillory Clinton, Mrs Kelley paving the way for her Doctor, Etc. It's always favors being handed out to make a path for the couple to succeed. It makes one wonder about how much Michelle did for Barack back in Chicago, or Hillory did to get Bill up there in the White House.

/that there, is the scandal
//these stories need to be told
///It'll make good pron
////The world needs more good pron
 
2012-11-14 12:48:12 PM

plcow: The least of all suprising things about this is that he is head spy of a damn spy agency, you know, the same industry as "Wild Bill" Donovan, Bill Buckley, the hot redheaded chick from Russia, and I"ll throw in James Bond for shi*ts and giggles. Of course he is a womanizer, it goes with the damn job. I think they even put it on their resume.


Don't forget Bill Casey, who had the good sense to die in the middle of the Iran Contra affair and become the fall guy
 
2012-11-14 12:53:44 PM

Another Government Employee: Forbidden Doughnut: shortymac: This whole this is an awesome soap opera train wreck that keeps on getting better and better. (Popcorn ready) It's also a great view of how the upper echelons of society live, they are just as farked up as the rest of us but remember kids... these morons think they are better than you.

Highlighted for absolute truth...

Scott Fitzgerald made note of that 80 years ago.


F. Scott Fitzgerald

That book was more depressing than thr Bell Jar.
 
2012-11-14 12:54:19 PM

kisseswookies: Another Government Employee: Forbidden Doughnut: shortymac: This whole this is an awesome soap opera train wreck that keeps on getting better and better. (Popcorn ready) It's also a great view of how the upper echelons of society live, they are just as farked up as the rest of us but remember kids... these morons think they are better than you.

Highlighted for absolute truth...

Scott Fitzgerald made note of that 80 years ago.

F. Scott Fitzgerald

That book was more depressing than thr Bell Jar.


The* oops.
 
2012-11-14 01:02:27 PM

dj_spanmaster: How about, that people care?


Thanks, I thought it was just me. I don't understand why I would care about any of this.
 
2012-11-14 01:13:12 PM

MaliFinn: dj_spanmaster: How about, that people care?

Thanks, I thought it was just me. I don't understand why I would care about any of this.


Train wrecks are fun and it's better most TV.
 
2012-11-14 01:13:59 PM
americablog.com

/hot like Denver Channel 7's Director of Proofreading
 
2012-11-14 01:14:13 PM

Civchic: I guess my idea of sex scandal is waaaaaaaay more scandalous than most people's, but seriously, a top general is shamed into quitting over an affair?

And the FBI was putting (what seems like a lot of) resources into investigating an AFFAIR?!

Buncha puritans.


They really don't care about the affair. They only care about what classified information she might have gotten from it.
 
2012-11-14 01:38:04 PM
Yesterday I was listening to a writer talk about the Clinton/Lewinski affair and how she was staying at her parents Watergate condo at the time, he talked about how they had phone sex and while Bill was on a secure line Monica was on a cordless phone and apperently the Watergate is the most bugged building in DC. Well I guess some mossad agents were trying to get something on someone and "accidentally" recorded the phone sex. Some Isreali diplomats brought the tape to a meeting at the White House and gave it to them saying how it was an accident they recorded it and they could just have it, they made no demands, but after that the the White Hosue stopped trying to ram through the Palistine peace accords. But after the scandal broke they went back to pushing them on Isreal. I have no idea if any of it was true or not but it made for an intresting story.
 
2012-11-14 01:42:25 PM
Author has a add definition of 'strangest details'. How's this detail: The FBI was able to access the private email of a top (the top?) intelligence official in the country without having to get so much as a warrant, and without bothering to notify anyone with oversight that the head of the CIA was a potential blackmail target.

As for people who are saying "I don't understand why a sex scandal is a big deal" well go ask anyone with security clearance. If you engage in any behavior that could potentially result in someone having leverage over you (for example, if you have an extra-marital affair) you will lose your security clearance. And it's a little hard to run the CIA without security clearance. What's more, he knew this and did it anyway. What's more than that, he knew this, did it anyway, and got caught, which doesn't speak very highly of his competence with basic matters of security and intelligence, which is something of a problem when you're the head of the CIA.
 
2012-11-14 01:45:15 PM
"an odd" - that is all.
 
2012-11-14 01:46:48 PM

Civchic: I guess my idea of sex scandal is waaaaaaaay more scandalous than most people's, but seriously, a top general is shamed into quitting over an affair?

And the FBI was putting (what seems like a lot of) resources into investigating an AFFAIR?!

Buncha puritans.


Are you kidding? An affair is something the director of CIA could be blackmailed over.

The affair IS serious business and disqualifies him for that job.

I'm glad he resigned, the rest of this is just noise to distract.
 
2012-11-14 02:00:15 PM
7. Mrs. Broadwell's drivers license was found not far from where the body of Chandra Levy was discovered. That's a hell of a coincidence.
 
2012-11-14 02:05:52 PM

neritz: They really don't care about the affair. They only care about what classified information she might have gotten from it.


and it looks like she might just have gotten some. Ripped from the front page of the Washington Post
 
2012-11-14 03:04:51 PM

zippythechimp: Charity? Ripping people off if you ask me.


How about this, "The Zippythechimp/ Billy Bathsalt 'Cancer' Fund?"

TS/BB'C'F
 
2012-11-14 03:06:15 PM
TZ/BB'C'F
FTFM
 
2012-11-14 03:36:11 PM
How about the interesting part of this?

it appears that the FBI not only devoted substantial resources, but also engaged in highly invasive surveillance, for no reason other than to do a personal favor for a friend of one of its agents, to find out who was very mildly harassing her by email. The emails Kelley received were, as the Daily Beast reports, quite banal and clearly not an event that warranted an FBI investigation:
"The emails that Jill Kelley showed an FBI friend near the start of last summer were not jealous lover warnings like 'stay away from my man', a knowledgeable source tells The Daily Beast. . . .

"'More like, 'Who do you think you are? . . .You parade around the base . . . You need to take it down a notch,'" according to the source, who was until recently at the highest levels of the intelligence community and prefers not to be identified by name.

"The source reports that the emails did make one reference to Gen. David Petraeus, but it was oblique and offered no manifest suggestion of a personal relationship or even that he was central to the sender's spite. . . .

"When the FBI friend showed the emails to the cyber squad in the Tampa field office, her fellow agents noted the absence of any overt threats.

"No, 'I'll kill you' or 'I'll burn your house down,'' the source says. 'It doesn't seem really that bad.'

"The squad was not even sure the case was worth pursuing, the source says.

"'What does this mean? There's no threat there. This is against the law?' the agents asked themselves by the source's account.

"At most the messages were harassing. The cyber squad had to consult the statute books in its effort to determine whether there was adequate legal cause to open a case.

"'It was a close call,' the source says.

"What tipped it may have been Kelley's friendship with the agent."

That this deeply personal motive was what spawned the FBI investigation is bolstered by the fact that the initial investigating agent "was barred from taking part in the case over the summer due to superiors' concerns that he was personally involved in the case" - indeed, "supervisors soon became concerned that the initial agent might have grown obsessed with the matter" - and was found to have "allegedly sent shirtless photos" to Kelley, and "is now under investigation by the Office of Professional Responsibility, the internal-affairs arm of the FBI".

[The New York Times this morning reports that the FBI claims the emails contained references to parts of Petraeus' schedule that were not publicly disclosed, though as Marcy Wheeler documents, the way the investigation proceeded strongly suggests that at least the initial impetus behind it was a desire to settle personal scores.]

What is most striking is how sweeping, probing and invasive the FBI's investigation then became, all without any evidence of any actual crime - or the need for any search warrant:


"Because the sender's account had been registered anonymously, investigators had to use forensic techniques - including a check of what other e-mail accounts had been accessed from the same computer address - to identify who was writing the e-mails.

"Eventually they identified Ms. Broadwell as a prime suspect and obtained access to her regular e-mail account. In its in-box, they discovered intimate and sexually explicit e-mails from another account that also was not immediately identifiable. Investigators eventually ascertained that it belonged to Mr. Petraeus and studied the possibility that someone had hacked into Mr. Petraeus's account or was posing as him to send the explicit messages."

So all based on a handful of rather unremarkable emails sent to a woman fortunate enough to have a friend at the FBI, the FBI traced all of Broadwell's physical locations, learned of all the accounts she uses, ended up reading all of her emails, investigated the identity of her anonymous lover (who turned out to be Petraeus), and then possibly read his emails as well. They dug around in all of this without any evidence of any real crime - at most, they had a case of "cyber-harassment" more benign than what regularly appears in my email inbox and that of countless of other people - and, in large part, without the need for any warrant from a court.

But that isn't all the FBI learned. It was revealed this morning that they also discovered "alleged inappropriate communication" to Kelley from Gen. Allen, who is not only the top commander in Afghanistan but was also just nominated by President Obama to be the Commander of US European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe (a nomination now "on hold"). Here, according to Reuters, is what the snooping FBI agents obtained about that [emphasis added]:


"The U.S. official said the FBI uncovered between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of communications - mostly emails spanning from 2010 to 2012 - between Allen and Jill Kelley . . . .

"Asked whether there was concern about the disclosure of classified information, the official said, on condition of anonymity: 'We are concerned about inappropriate communications. We are not going to speculate as to what is contained in these documents.'"

So not only did the FBI - again, all without any real evidence of a crime - trace the locations and identity of Broadwell and Petreaus, and read through Broadwell's emails (and possibly Petraeus'), but they also got their hands on and read through 20,000-30,000 pages of emails between Gen. Allen and Kelley.

This is a surveillance state run amok. It also highlights how any remnants of internet anonymity have been all but obliterated by the union between the state and technology companies.

But, as unwarranted and invasive as this all is, there is some sweet justice in having the stars of America's national security state destroyed by the very surveillance system which they implemented and over which they preside. As Trevor Timm of the Electronic Frontier Foundation put it this morning: "Who knew the key to stopping the Surveillance State was to just wait until it got so big that it ate itself?"
 

Warrantless investigation to settle a personal score based on the non-crime of emails that can hardly even be called harassment? Good job, FBI.
 
2012-11-14 04:41:07 PM

hubcity: The FBI agent in question?

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No, the agent wanted a fling with a WOMAN.
 
2012-11-14 05:01:45 PM

PluckYew: Civchic: I guess my idea of sex scandal is waaaaaaaay more scandalous than most people's, but seriously, a top general is shamed into quitting over an affair?

And the FBI was putting (what seems like a lot of) resources into investigating an AFFAIR?!

Buncha puritans.

Are you kidding? An affair is something the director of CIA could be blackmailed over.

The affair IS serious business and disqualifies him for that job.

I'm glad he resigned, the rest of this is just noise to distract.


I'm with CivChick on this one...

The only reason he can be blackmailed over it is because society insists on extramarital-sex being taboo. Which is... well, kinda puritanical. In some circles it would probably be expected for him to have a mistress or two.
 
2012-11-14 05:12:31 PM
Furthermore, as a military retiree, the good general remains subject to the UCMJ and its articles forbidding adultery and sodomy.

Take away his $100,000/yr pension!
 
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